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If you root your nexus via the "official" way, you're screwed if you have a hardware failure, because the warranty is null and void. We need to figure out a way to root that is similar to how we rooted the MyTouch and G1.
My suspicion is that the "official" unlock isn't in the spl. I think it is more like a sim unlock.
I think we should just leave it alone and learn how to root the G1 way. That way, if we have a hardware problem, we can revert the dang phone to factory specs.
Any ideas? I think a gold card may be a could place to start.
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Given that Swetland has said the HTC should honour the hardware warranty if the flaw isn't causable by rooting, and even suggested that you message him if you get such things refused I think that most of us are pretty happy with that, certainly many of the main devs are.
Not that I'm suggesting you shouldn't do what you want to, just pointing out that you're unlikely to get the support that the G1 root had
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t4tav said:
Plus, I would like to see a "non" official way. That way we are still not giving up our warranty.
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It's been stated the HTC should honor the Hardware warranty.
If you are rooting, for any reason whatsoever, you are voiding your software warranty. And that's correct - you are well off the reservation and you should only root if you are aware of the risks and know what you are doing.
There is absolutely no reason you should expect to have your software warranty honored after you root.
While I can understand the desire for a sneaky backdoor root, it's really not to our advantage for such a thing to exist. Google managed to shipped this phone roootable out of the box. That is simply wonderful for the various people producing ROMs, it makes the phone a blast for hackers, it will spurn some serious innovation (and has done so already.) All good.
If people start backdoor rooting and making warranty claims, all of that may be spoiled and we may end up with a Nexus Two that is simply completely locked down.
Not good.
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DebauchedSloth said:
It's been stated the HTC should honor the Hardware warranty.
If you are rooting, for any reason whatsoever, you are voiding your software warranty. And that's correct - you are well off the reservation and you should only root if you are aware of the risks and know what you are doing.
There is absolutely no reason you should expect to have your software warranty honored after you root.
While I can understand the desire for a sneaky backdoor root, it's really not to our advantage for such a thing to exist. Google managed to shipped this phone roootable out of the box. That is simply wonderful for the various people producing ROMs, it makes the phone a blast for hackers, it will spurn some serious innovation (and has done so already.) All good.
If people start backdoor rooting and making warranty claims, all of that may be spoiled and we may end up with a Nexus Two that is simply completely locked down.
Not good.
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I completely agree with you. Look at the Droid Eris, for as long as it has been out, they are just starting to get an exploit that is working. They do not even have root yet.
I personally think that the people that most want to root without an unlocked bootloader are the people that will mess their phone by not understanding what they are doing to it fully. As stated above, you should be able to get your phone fixed if you have obvious defects that are not related to software.
While I think it would be interesting to have an alternative method to rooting, at the same time, I would view it as detrimental to what is trying to be done with this phone.
Just my small $0.01 (its not a full rant, trust me)
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at first i thought it just a software, in any platform if you do anything to the software it will be ok, and the warranty still available like iphone or WM devices.
we need do small hacking to make this work, i don't know why xda-developer doesn't have any hacker, it should be easy.
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t4tav said:
I think I got that :/
(Removed my idea - We need a passimg.nbh)
However, I am really holding out on someone from HTC or Google saying that all hardware faults will be covered even if the bootloader is unlocked.
As soon as that happens I will root my nexus
Edit - The other reason for (personally) look for another root method is that if you unlock the bootloader now, It wipes the system, all the apps and all the settings. I to be honest, I can't really be bothered to reinstall all of them, considering that the Market doesn't seem to track what I install/un-install.
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This.
Like one of the above posters said everybody saying theres no need because they SHOULD replace hardware defects...I called HTC (haven't rooted) and asked them if I can repair hardware defects on a unlocked bootloader. The response "There is no warrenty if you have unlocked the bootloader."
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t4tav said:
I think I got that :/
(Removed my idea - We need a passimg.nbh)
However, I am really holding out on someone from HTC or Google saying that all hardware faults will be covered even if the bootloader is unlocked.
As soon as that happens I will root my nexus
Edit - The other reason for (personally) look for another root method is that if you unlock the bootloader now, It wipes the system, all the apps and all the settings. I to be honest, I can't really be bothered to reinstall all of them, considering that the Market doesn't seem to track what I install/un-install.
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if you are afraid to wipe then you shouldnt root your phone. i garranty that you WILL be wiping your phone many times in the future. i must have wiped my g1 more than 30 times and the nexus one 6 or 7 times already. but dont worry, there are always free backup apps like titanium backup
The Nexus is not like the G1 or mytouch in any way to root the Nexus is Different than any Htc Phone. The Porcessor is not the mt3g or g1. so to try to root it like the mytouch or g1 may bring more problems. Note No mather how you root it the warranty is still void unless you unroot it to send it back in.
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t4tav said:
I must of wiped my G1 atleast 20+ times. I've also flashed around 20 Custom roms too (Since JF Rom's were all the rage).
I've found that mybackup works well. So I may purchase that. My Nexus is now happily rooted and running extremely fast
I'm not scared of wiping, it's just sometimes it can get sore
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ive used backup for root users for ages(it seems like it). i seriously recommend you try titanium backup, it backs private apps up also.
simms22 said:
ive used backup for root users for ages(it seems like it). i seriously recommend you try titanium backup, it backs private apps up also.
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Titanium seems to work well
Anyways, Let's move this topic back on track
That's my motivation
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The Nexus is not like the G1 or mytouch in any way to root the Nexus is Different than any Htc Phone. The Porcessor is not the mt3g or g1. so to try to root it like the mytouch or g1 may bring more problems. Note No mather how you root it the warranty is still void unless you unroot it to send it back in.
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We should have a way to "unroot."
I can see the other side to this too. If some yahoo roots their phone, then overclocks it to 2ghz or something and fries it... that SHOULDN'T be covered by warranty.
On the other hand, if I'm running one of cyanogen's roms and the speaker goes out, it should be covered.
Personally, if I fried a ROM because I overclocked it or something like that, I would NEVER send it in for warranty work. I would only send it in if the problem was clearly the manufacturer's.
Just my 2 cents
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Edit - The other reason for (personally) look for another root method is that if you unlock the bootloader now, It wipes the system, all the apps and all the settings. I to be honest, I can't really be bothered to reinstall all of them, considering that the Market doesn't seem to track what I install/un-install.
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To be very clear, this behavior (data wipe on unlock) is intentional. Otherwise if your phone is lost or stolen, it would be trivial for somebody to unlock it, boot a custom kernel, and copy your contacts, email, etc from internal flash.
The Market should restore your installed apps automatically, and Settings Backup should be able to restore the bulk of your settings.
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So my phone is totally stock, no root (yeah I know, what am I doing on XDA?). Only reason is, I bought it recently in November, and I'm gonna hold off on voiding that not-so-precious warranty until a stable, working, useful ICS rom comes out, then I'll take the plunge.
My problem is that my phone constantly asks me to update to the crappy, broken new 2.3.6 update that AT&T is pushing to everyone. I haven't downloaded it yet as far as I know, it just asks me to press okay to dl the file over Wifi and I keep hitting home to get rid of the screen (there's no cancel button) so I can get on with whatever I was doing before. Is there any way to make this permanently stop? I just tried entering recovery mode and clearing the cache partition, that didn't do anything as the first screen that came up after reboot and unlock was the update one.
tl;dr - how do I get it to stop asking me to update? >.>
There are at least three threads on this same subject. Use the search next time.
The answer is in the below thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1449585
This doesn't really help, but as far as I know, u have to root ur phone to do this. It's not hard to root, and it's almost impossible to break your phone while rooting. Do some searching and you will find an easy root guide. There is not a way to stop the update because this requires deleting a system app, which u need root access to do.
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You can hit the home key and kill the process. It will come back when you reboot, but that's about all you can do aside from rooting or updating. If it has downloaded the update, you can clear the program data for it. It's called device management or something similar.
I was in the same boat a few days ago. I didn't really want to root cause I didn't think I'd use any of the extra functionality. I got annoyed by the nagging update screen and figured I might as well take the next step. Running unnamed 1.3.2 and entropy's 12/08 kernel. I strongly recommend you do the same. All the bloat is gone, the phone feels more responsive and battery life is significantly better.
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There are at least three threads on this same subject. Use the search next time.
The answer is in the below thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1449585
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I apologize, I did do some searching but nothing came up for me, maybe I didn't search hard enough or use the right search terms. Guess I can't do it without root/TiBu, so until I decide it's worth my time, I'll deal with it.
I have stock and I strip all bloatware myself disabled device manager and deleted tether manager.
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Guess it'd depend on the ROM you're running. I've never once had my phone ask if I wanted to install an update. lol
Can an admin close this thread? I don't see a use for it anymore, my question was answered.
Okay so I was browsing my phone and happened to run across the System state saying "Modified"
The issue I am having is I have never even downloaded a rooting app. The only thing close to root I have used is called Helium, which does not require root, but it can backup/restore apps+data.
I am slightly worried that if I have to send my phone in for some reason they will see this and say I have messed with the system, although I have not in the first place.
Has anyone else encountered this random issue? Other than that this phone is quite a good phone and I'm pleased with it greatly.
Did you......root your phone?
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Okay so I was browsing my phone and happened to run across the System state saying "Modified"
The issue I am having is I have never even downloaded a rooting app. The only thing close to root I have used is called Helium, which does not require root, but it can backup/restore apps+data.
I am slightly worried that if I have to send my phone in for some reason they will see this and say I have messed with the system, although I have not in the first place.
Has anyone else encountered this random issue? Other than that this phone is quite a good phone and I'm pleased with it greatly.
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Let me grab a non-rooted G3 here in a few and check. I don't know that they dont all say that. Get back to you shortly. Mine also says this; however, I did root and unlock mine.
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Did you......root your phone?
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Did you fully read his post before replying? I suppose my question is as rhetorical as yours...
My interpretation was that he has not installed one rooting app. One was left to assume he had rooted the phone or did not have a rooted phone which was the basis of my question. And yes I did read his post to answer your question. I would not leave you to assume I did from my response.
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no big deal that it says that. move along
If you go to the Verizon store and look at the G3's they have on display, they all say "modified" instead of "official" however when I received my phone it said "official" until I rooted it.
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Just flash it back to stock if you have any issues. May as well root now anyway. G3 tweak box is amazing!
Sorry for late reply, at work so hard to get on atm.
I have not touched a single rooting app to this phone since I bought it new the day they came out. I have thought about rooting it, but I am touchy when it comes to phones that are in warrenty.
Although I might just say heck with it and actually root it anyways since it's saying modified, my main concern was why it was already saying it was modified when I hadn't touched it yet. I have experience rooting/restoring phones/tablets ever since the mesmerize/desire/fascinate ages so it shouldn't be too hard
I doubt this has anything to do with it, but when it turns on from a restart/shutdown one of the verizon apps "vzrwsservice" or something like that says it has crashed and then goes away until i restart again.
Thanks for you replies though, if someone does come up with a phone that isn't rooted but says modified, I'd be interested to know so that we can figure what's causing this.
My unrooted Verizon g3 does not say modified. It says official.
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Sorry for late reply, at work so hard to get on atm.
I have not touched a single rooting app to this phone since I bought it new the day they came out. I have thought about rooting it, but I am touchy when it comes to phones that are in warrenty.
Although I might just say heck with it and actually root it anyways since it's saying modified, my main concern was why it was already saying it was modified when I hadn't touched it yet. I have experience rooting/restoring phones/tablets ever since the mesmerize/desire/fascinate ages so it shouldn't be too hard
I doubt this has anything to do with it, but when it turns on from a restart/shutdown one of the verizon apps "vzrwsservice" or something like that says it has crashed and then goes away until i restart again.
Thanks for you replies though, if someone does come up with a phone that isn't rooted but says modified, I'd be interested to know so that we can figure what's causing this.
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Hypothetical.... lets say someone bought it, played with it and rooted it or botched a root and returned it. try root checker in app store. just saying. makes more sense then someone snuck in your bedroom and took it and rooted while you were sleeping and returned it.
Another hypothetical...
Could it switch to "modified" if one were not rooted but had disabled some of the bloat? Just a thought.
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Another hypothetical...
Could it switch to "modified" if one were not rooted but had disabled some of the bloat? Just a thought.
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As of now, I cannot tell what it was to change it to modified, I went ahead and tried a reset through the settings and it kept the modified status, did a flash restore and it finally got rid of the modified and is now stating Official.
(To note that when it was in download mode it also stated modified before I flashed it with the ToT file.)
I did also find the reason for the verizon server to crash, which I cannot find the location of the thread elsewhere, but it is due to Google+ and one of verizons apps not being compatible with each other and eventually causing verizons app to crash. The only way so far to fix it is either downgrade google+ to stock, or disable the VerizonAvsService to stop the crash at boot.
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Another hypothetical...
Could it switch to "modified" if one were not rooted but had disabled some of the bloat? Just a thought.
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I have disabled a bunch of bloat without root and it has not changed to modified.
It's a Fact!!!
veteranmina said:
Sorry for late reply, at work so hard to get on atm.
I have not touched a single rooting app to this phone since I bought it new the day they came out. I have thought about rooting it, but I am touchy when it comes to phones that are in warrenty.
Although I might just say heck with it and actually root it anyways since it's saying modified, my main concern was why it was already saying it was modified when I hadn't touched it yet. I have experience rooting/restoring phones/tablets ever since the mesmerize/desire/fascinate ages so it shouldn't be too hard
I doubt this has anything to do with it, but when it turns on from a restart/shutdown one of the verizon apps "vzrwsservice" or something like that says it has crashed and then goes away until i restart again.
Thanks for you replies though, if someone does come up with a phone that isn't rooted but says modified, I'd be interested to know so that we can figure what's causing this.
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I have verified for myself, that my Verizon LG G3 says "Modified" as well, yet it's a fact that I have never rooted or modified any of my system settings... I'm running Stock 6.0 Marshmallow... Go figure... Who knows with Verizon...
Hi guys! Long time lurker/flasher/tweaker here. Really not sure where to post this tho so mods please move to best area if this isnt it.
To start with this may sound a lil crazy but without getting too much into it I am a victim of something called "Gang Stalking". Google it if ya wanna know more, they know everywhere I am. Crazy crazy evil **** but anyways...
So I have always suspected to have trackers/keyloggers installed on any devices I have if someone manages to get their hands on it. Well I just purchased a new Dell Venue 8 the other day and had a weird experience buying it to start with. Im an American currently in Mexico (part of my journey trying to escape my persecuters) and I went to Office Depot to pick it up as they had a killer sale for it going on (a whole 1/3rd off and electronics are more expensive here)... Well i get the usual run around I get at any business if my persecuters find out im going there for something. Like "no you can only get that special online blah blah etc" when the site clearly says in store only lol. Anyway im used to management being paid off wherever I frequent to give me a hard time and such so as usual I demand the manager and when he tries to give me the run around I start asking for his boss and the number to corporate and threaten to call them there and often they cave. Well he did but says hes going to have to "pull some strings (just for me)" lmao but that to come back tomorrow afternoon and he would have me one at that price. So I say fine whatever. I come back the next day and pick it up and its not factory sealed but I dont say anything and think "well as long as it works fine then ill just take it to end the headache"... It looked brand new still.
I get it home finally and after playing with it a couple days I figure that after that weird scenario at Office Depot I would do some snooping to see if I could find anything on it out of the ordinary (like spyware) and it goes without saying that IF theres been something installed that its going to be the best of the best, probably government level software. Especially since they know Im a tech wiz. I have not got around to rooting it yet as the only method requires a PC so just havnt had a chance. When I first started it up it went through setup and updating to 4.4 as if it was factory fresh. Well I do a lil research and see that theres not much (if any) chance something of that caliber could be installed without rooting first. Well I didnt think it had been rooted, atleast I knew not by me, but I hop on the playstore to download (brother joeykrim's) root checker just to see and the WEIRDEST thing happened. I hit download, it came quick, and the INSTANT it was done and said " installing root checker" my screen went totally blank. Like I could still see the backlight so it was on still, just blacked out. Only way to cure was hit power twice and my pin screen came back up and things seemed normal, and I was able to run root checker and it said NO root but I still thought how odd is that with the screen? I knew better but checked a couple more apps out to verify they didnt exibit the same pattern, they didnt of course. I then tried installing another app called root checker and it blanked the screen out again. Tried with an app called just "root check" and all was normal. Once again with another "root checker" app and the screen blanked. This is super weird no? Almost seems like spyware thats detecting a root checker being installed and running some batch process to hide root or something. Well I also learned in one of the root checker apps that there was in fact a version of BusyBox installed, which I then verified by running. Wouldnt the phone have to be rooted for busybox? I know theres a no root version but I sure didnt install it. Any chance of it being factory installed? So what should I make of all this guys? Kernel level spyware? If so it could survive a factory reset right? How could I get it out and be 100% sure? If I flash a stock image from here would it remove ANY chance there could be spyware? Even of say a government level? Sorry for the long post but help please!
Bump. I know some of you guys know something about this kinda thing. Scared to answer jaha? Would it help if I removed the word government lol? I actually think I may have killed it anyway (fingers crossed)... It seems after doing the "installing root checker and blanking the screen" process a few times (seems like 5 times if I remember correctly) it no longer exhibits this behavior, and after this lil round of playing my tab was noticeably hot (like 3d gaming for a half hr hot). Its almost as if after going into "safe mode" a certain number of times the spyware "Self destructed" to avoid detection. Hopefully thats the case and hopefully this will help some other victim of this cruel torture one day. Knowledge is power guys! Dont let these psycho NWO pricks get you down! They want to rule and control the world but they can only rule you if you let em! Educate yourself about the BS going on in this seemingly FREE country. Heh. Much love!
I cannot even find any information on this device let alone a root method. Apparently from my searches methods for the zenphone may work but im not sure if I want to risk bricking this device, but verizon would just replace it anyway. I guess its fairly new? It came with MM and already has an OTA which i keep putting off while I am going to try out various methods to get this one rooted and unleashed since one verizon store essentially scammed me over my new s7 edge so another store refunded everything for me. Now I got this 4g tablet I want to fasten in my car and it would be nice to root or unlock and put some custom vehicle firmware on it or something like that.
I have the same issue with my new Zenpad 3 8.0 . KingRoot and some other rooting apps didn't work for me.
At least someone finally replies.... I am still stuck trying to root this thing. I've tried nearly everything to no success. Even the temporary cwm wouldn't work for me
Same here buddy. Why did ASUS remove such features as App to SD and multi user support?
Anyone found anything? I have the tablet too...
Well damn this sux, Verizon stuck me with another unrootable device, at least I can say I got my pixel in time to unlock the bootloader and route it but not much activity for it since decided to lock them down. I thought I learned with my G4 that's why I got the pixel got home just to find out they're going to be locked down too lol Oh God how I loath Verizon
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Well damn this sux, Verizon stuck me with another unrootable device, at least I can say I got my pixel in time to unlock the bootloader and route it but not much activity for it since decided to lock them down. I thought I learned with my G4 that's why I got the pixel got home just to find out they're going to be locked down too lol Oh God how I loath Verizon
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I hear ya. I have this tablet too: Asus Verizon Zenpad Z8 ZT581KL with V.3.4.23. Despite my best efforts, the damn system update notification keeps coming up telling me to update to Android 7--which I DO NOT want to do since doing that very well could kill any small hope I have on rooting the device. Since this is a Verizon branded tablet, they made an agreement with Asus to lock it down like Gitmo, so any official bootloader unlocker will not work with Verizon. Maybe one day when Verizon get's their head out of their ass and understands that people have the right to screw with their phones, they will allow unlocking options--though I doubt it.
This would be a great little tablet, if Verizon gave us more control over it--Jesus Christ, you're still getting $$ from me on your non-unlimited data. Bunch of ****-tards---I used to work for them back in the day at one of their corporate locations in Folsom, CA. Sadly, I think it's that prison mentality (Folsom Prison) that must have been carried in the air a few miles to the Verizon offices there. That was WDTS (Wireless Data Tech Support)....I was there right when EVDO just came out/expanding (Before Iphones...closest thing would have been a BES-Enabled Blackberry, or a fancy PDA)--oh those were the days...
There are rooting options available if you understand Chinese--but even its for older software versions 3.3.x, etc, and from what I can understand, the flash might actually take (hackers take note: if the flash can take..maybe we can piece together a flash with proper rooted versions)...but since this is a Sim/LTE tablet by doing that it will screw up the radio (Cellular) and recovery partitions. But maybe something round-about could be done that does that, then reflashes modified signed firmware to root it--I dunno.
My google-fu is pretty good and I came across some cached, or snippet that said SRSroot might root 6.0.1 on the ZT581KL, but not sure now legit it is.
Unless more people get this tablet/devs play with it, I don't think we will get root/bootloader/recovery anytime soon. I wish I lived in a country that allowed multiple wifes, because I would do a bounty for root on this devices and give away one of my wives for payment.
I used the tablet mostly for navigation, but I want root/twrp for backup purposes, if I need to wipe the device crossing the border since police now wanting to look at peoples phones/tablets. I love using Waze since I'll be driving down the road with a FAT blunt smoking away, so it's good to know if cops are around.
Zenpad z8 running on Fi
I also have this pad. I bought it from Verizon because it's USB-C and I loathe micro USB and even more so because the helpful sales guy at Verizon let me try my Google Fi data only sim...and sure enough it works awesome after setting h2g2 as the apn. Would love to root it though I hate how I can only have one user account on this for now.
Kind of off-topic, but I can't find any clear answer to my question about the Z8 and Z8s. I'm considering buying one, but I do not want a data-plan. Do these tablets work without a SIM in them, or will I be stuck at a home screen that says "Insert SIM..."?
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Kind of off-topic, but I can't find any clear answer to my question about the Z8 and Z8s. I'm considering buying one, but I do not want a data-plan. Do these tablets work without a SIM in them, or will I be stuck at a home screen that says "Insert SIM..."?
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Of course you can use it without a SIM.
I just ordered this tablet. I'm sad I can't root it, but I mainly use root for adblocking. I will have to use DNS66 or BlockThis instead.
This method doesn't work?
https://neopodapsi.com/how-to-root-asus-zenpad-z8/
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This method doesn't work?
Nope, just a scam to fill out never ending surveys
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Zenpad P008 Verizon root - no luck
I just tried One Click Root and that didn't work either. Upon chatting with support they were stymied by the lack of an 'OEM Override' debug mode setting.
Can anybody help, I'm new at this stuff. Plus I'm teaching myself. I've rooted some devices. Did some firmware jobs, kinda' familiar with Odin. But I've tried everything from KingRoot PC to adb tryna' root this thing (P008). Between this thing and that Knox MDM shizzle. Man!, Anybody got anything on these topics......
Anyone try Magisk?? I also want to root this thing. Cannot get a usb gaming controller to recognize either.