http://liliputing.com/2011/01/microsoft-next-gen-windows-will-run-on-arm.html
I saw this on some of the CES report too.
I use Windows 7 and enjoy it greatly. But I don't see it as being a tablet operating system. (I actually did use it with a touch/stylus laptop a while.)
But I use my tablets differently. And I won't be using them to do MS Office Work either (except maybe to read/preview.)
I don't know why Microsoft can't figure out that we use different machines for different purposes.
Rev
P. S. -- I didn't write this well -- but I think most power users will get what I'm talking about. One device won't do all things for all people -- not even those made by the fruity folks!
Actually Windows CE was the only real mainstream platform almost 10 years ago on PDAs, like the Casio Cassiopeia. Touch screen, windows support for documents, etc. I could see this on a tablet, it wouldn't be a first. What I find most interesting is how Microsoft sat on their tech back then and let everyone walk around them on mobile devices in under 10 years.
In fact, I still have a working version of the Casio, overclocked and all. I should dig it out, it was a nice little device in its time.
Wtf would you want Windows on your gTab? You're not going to be running the vast majority of software on it...
I'd bet it's for the arm based netbooks
There is absolutely no vesion of windows that would ever work on a tablet device in the way that Apple Os4 for ipad and upcoming honeycomb are designed to work
Tablets are going to replace 50% of the netbook market (for the people who want something even lighter and do not do office type intensive tasks on their net books) and probably result in 1/3rd of the smart phone users abandoning their smart phones in favor of using a tablet (lower data plan, larger screen, faster processors...portable enough to keep with you tucked away some where when a lap top was too heavy). With wi fi springing up nearly EVERYWHERE, there wont even be a need for a month plan/3g/4g set up for 75% of users.
This is going to be a huge market.
Here is how i see it going.
The Google/tablet market is going to dominate in the same way as the Windows/PC market did through the 90s and 00s for the computer.
Apple with its walled garden approach will lose most of its gains in the tablet market and wind up basically in the same market share position it did when going against MS/PC on the computer front.
MS is going to keep pushing its "frankenstein" tablet approach trying to cram a windows OS that is NOT optimized nor designed from the ground up for tablets until it becomes AT BEST the PS3 of tablets (very powerful..the most expensive, with less support, less market share, and really having largly unused features and applications compared to the android).
To continue that analogy, Droid will wind up beig the "xbox" of tablets, while apple will be come the "wii" of tablets and (MS will become the "ps3" of tablets).
Going back to the PC analogy. Droid will become the microsft of tablets, apple will remain....well apple, while microsoft ends up in the category largely reserved for corporate/industrial/server users.
I think you all missed the "next Gen" part, I.e., they're not talking about an existing version of Windows on ARM, so we don't really know what that would look like yet.
Jim
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I think you all missed the "next Gen" part, I.e., they're not talking about an existing version of Windows on ARM, so we don't really know what that would look like yet.
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"Next generation" in Microsoft speak means "larger, more bloated, slightly more functional than last generation" or at least that has been the case with EVERY SINGLE iteration of MS releases since 1993 when i had a win 3.1 pc ( with the possible exception of win 7 which is basically win vista on a diet with less bugs made more user friendly.
Heck the entire REASON for win64 was to increase the amount of Ram windows can use ( my desk top now runs w 8Gigs of ram).
Win CE win moble never came close to whar ipad os4 is or what i believe honeycomb to be. The upcoming win7 tablets look to repeat history.
I am not saying you are wrong about win8, but if you are right, it would represent a fundamental change in the MS paradigm. SOMETHING i dont believe has ever happened since they ripped off apple os after they ripped off xerox.
MS has stated that Windows 8 will be their biggest gamble yet, supposedly with a more apple like experience.
I see no reason why Windows 8 wouldn't work on the G-Tab.
Microsoft demoed it on a 3 year old laptop last month and aside from a few minor bugs, it worked very smooth.
It will also offer multiple interface options such as a Windows 7 phone like interface as well as a standard windows interface so that could also be very handy if they can pull it off properly.
They also promised ARM process or support and with the dual core processor in the G-Tab (mine currently running at 1.5 ghz) I think I would find it quite handy to be able to run some Windows apps while on the road somewhere.
I'm quite confident we will see a port of Windows 8 for the G-Tab, though I hope they're also able to support dual booting so I'm not stuck with just one OS option.
It seems pretty optimistic of Microsoft to think they can pull all of this off but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt just for trying.
Just my two cents.
-Maj
I'm with Maj, but thee thing is will they make a ARM version of thee OS
A link you might find interesting: http://forums.legitreviews.com/about36766.html
More recent news article:http://rcpmag.com/articles/2011/09/20/analysis-will-windows-8-support-x86-apps-or-wont-it.aspx
Im not a windows fan. I don't want to see another crummy version of windows especially on a tablet. I would rather see droid os on a laptop and oust windows altogether.
I like Windows 7 on my desktop, I have XP and Ubuntu dual-booting on my laptop, and Gingerbread on my Atrix and Gtab.
MS does need to realize that our different devices are used for different purposes and need to be configured and run differently for that. I do not believe they can make it all happen with one OS. You would need such disparate branches that they would essentially be different OSs.
U might be right. I know someone was saying that windowsce 7 was or might be similar since windows 8 is geared from window mobile phone 7
With only 512Mb it will run like a dog, even ice cream sandwich needs more then 512m to run smooth from what I read. Now that the new Nvidia chip being 7 times faster according to Apple, most tablet will be under power to run the new crops of OS IMO.
Way off base on Windows and it's role in our computing lives, and especially off base on what Microsoft can and cannot do. I have many complaints about Microsoft but they are FAR more advanced in mobile than they ever get credit for.
Apple took an iPod OS and made it into a phone and then a tablet. Windows mobile wasn't nearly as good a product but that was partially an attempt to make the mobile devices capable of running what they expected from Microsoft. Apple can get away with abandoning previous functionality (not so easy for them today with the share on tablets and phones) but Microsoft is expected to have that functionality.
If Microsoft would have come out with a capacitive touch tablet with the limitations of the first iPad they would have been justifiably booed. Not the same for Apple or Google who didn't have that legacy.
Windows on a tablet is a natural and will happen. Will it happen on out gTab? Maybe not but that would be more a function of Viewsonic and their ability to support us out into the future than it does with Microsoft.
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Im not a windows fan. I don't want to see another crummy version of windows especially on a tablet. I would rather see droid os on a laptop and oust windows altogether.
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You'd be a fool.
If you want a laptop or desktop to be a productive tool you need the capability a full blown OS offers. Android and our tablets serve a different purpose.
When my tablet gets closer to the capability of my netbook then we can talk about the future of Android.
(I do love my gTab. It works great!)
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Actually Windows CE was the only real mainstream platform almost 10 years ago on PDAs, like the Casio Cassiopeia. Touch screen, windows support for documents, etc. I could see this on a tablet, it wouldn't be a first. What I find most interesting is how Microsoft sat on their tech back then and let everyone walk around them on mobile devices in under 10 years.
In fact, I still have a working version of the Casio, overclocked and all. I should dig it out, it was a nice little device in its time.
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I also have a BE-300! They are a cool little device and it was cutting edge back in the day. The modding on that device was one of the reasons that I bought a gTab, I remember the fun I had flashing and hacking that device. I just ordered a new minolta np 200 battery yesterday and plan to resurect the old girl when it arrives (soldering iron required)!
As for windows 8 I think it looks like a fisher price OS!
Just as an FYI, I was checking out the Windows 8 Consumer trial download page and this is what they posted so far as minimum requirements:
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Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device or higher
To use touch, you need a tablet or monitor that supports multitouch
To access Windows Store and to download and run apps, you need an active Internet connection and a screen resolution of at least 1024 x 768
To snap apps, you need a screen resolution of at least 1366 x 768
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It seems like the GTab is in the ballpark. And from what I read, it is indeed supposed to support ARM architecture. The only concern would be the 512k ram but I still think it's do-able.
-maj
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Just as an FYI, I was checking out the Windows 8 Consumer trial download page and this is what they posted so far as minimum requirements:
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Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device or higher
To use touch, you need a tablet or monitor that supports multitouch
To access Windows Store and to download and run apps, you need an active Internet connection and a screen resolution of at least 1024 x 768
To snap apps, you need a screen resolution of at least 1366 x 768
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It seems like the GTab is in the ballpark. And from what I read, it is indeed supposed to support ARM architecture. The only concern would be the 512k ram but I still think it's do-able.
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As I recall windows 7 also said 1gb was its minimum ram, but I had it running perfectly fine on an old pentium 2 with 512mb. But as I also recall, Win8 requires a version of arm the gtablet doesn't have.
Welcome to the official thread for discussing all things leaks/rumors related to Windows 11. We're currently expecting Microsoft to announce Windows 11 on June 24, and before we get started, you may want to take a look at what we already know about the new OS. Now, onto the leaks and rumors.
Windows 11 will have rounded cornersAlright, so this is mentioned in our dedicated Windows 11 page, but we've actually gotten a look at these rounded corners a couple of times. All the way back in November 2020, Microsoft added some mockups of apps with rounded corners to the Tips app on Windows 10, which Windows Latest was quick to spot. We can see it in places including a Wi-Fi connection flyout and the Settings app. One thing that's interesting about this particular leak is that there are some other UI elements we have yet to see. For example, the Settings app has its own icon in the title bar, but currently, apps only show their name here.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Later, in April of this year, Microsoft posted a tweet with a picture of Windows Terminal running. Once again, the app had rounded corners, which aren't officially available. The tweet was then deleted, but not before the aforementioned Windows Latest spotted it.
And we've seen it yet again in a blog post ahead of this year's Build event, where Microsoft included a tiny "Hello world!" app window using rounded corners.
Windows Central's Zac Bowden has also shared some mockups of what the rounded corners might end up looking like in "Sun Valley", which is the codename for the visual refresh that we're expecting with Windows 11. This also includes a floating Start menu, instead of it being right next to the taskbar. We've also heard that there may be a whole new Start menu entirely, but what that looks like is a mystery. It's reported to be inspired by what we saw on Windows 10X before it was cancelled.
Revamped Action CenterAnother thing we've seen in leaks is a new Action center design, which seems to be designed to improve the experience for touch screens. In this animation captured by Windows Latest, you can see how it will apparently be possible to drag to expand the quick actions panel in the Action center.
We've also had the chance to see a new Action center in Windows 10X, and Microsoft says it's bringing some elements of Windows 10X to regular Windows, so it's possible it will look a bit more like this image from Windows Central:
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In fact, in some Windows Insider builds, it's been possible to enable an Action Center that looks more similar to this (though it requires some tinkering), so it's also safe to assume we'll see something along these lines.
More customizationOne thing that was spotted very recently is support for changing the appearance for the touch keyboard in Windows 11. Based on the leaks, you'll be able to set a background image your the keyboard, but also change the color of the key overlays, labels, and borders. This makes quite a bit of sense as Microsoft owns SwiftKey, a popular Android and iOS keyboard that also offers customization options in this vein.
On the topic of customization, Twitter user Albacore also noted that you might be able to use Windows Spotlight as your desktop background. Right now, Windows Spotlight is only available for Windows 10 on the lock screen, and it lets you see a different image every day, sometimes themed around holidays around the world.
And beyond visual customization, Albacore also spotted a "Device usage" page in the Settings app, which lets you specify how you plan to use your computer. Windows 10 already asks you about this when you set it up for the first time, but it looks like you might be able to change it whenever you'd like with this feature.
Battery usage detailsOne more feature uncovered by Albacore towards the end of last year was a new design for the battery usage page in the Settings app. This will give users more detailed insights into how battery has been used during the last seven days or 24 hours. You can also see the screen-on and screen-off time, and time spent in sleep mode.
A new Microsoft StoreAccording to a report from Windows Central, Microsoft is planning to overhaul the Store to allow unpacked Win32 apps to be published on the Store. It will also allow developers to use their apps and updates on their own content delivery networks, and it'll also be possible to use third-party commerce platforms. This should help the more reluctant developers transition to the Store, and make it a hub for all the apps you're used to installing.
Of course, the Store app itself will also be updated visually to fall in line with the rest of the UI elements in Windows 11, but we have yet to see that in action.
Microsoft itself might have teased some improvements to the Microsoft Store. A few weeks ago, the company talked about the gaming experience on PC on its Xbox Wire blog, and promises improved "install reliability and faster downloads". Currently, installing games using the Xbox app on Windows 10 uses the Microsoft Store to power downloads and installs behind the scenes, so this announcement could be hinting at some improvements on that front. It's true that downloading apps from the Microsoft Store can be a clunky experience, so hopefully, this also turns out to be true.
That's all the stuff we've seen for now, but we're bound to see more and more over the next few months. Once Microsoft acknowledges Windows 11 and begins releasing preview builds, more and more bits will likely begin to surface.
I love the look. It's like the best of metro UI with some glassy textures yet familiarity from Windows 10. I'm excited!
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I love the look. It's like the best of metro UI with some glassy textures yet familiarity from Windows 10. I'm excited!
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Totally agree! very nice look.
Can wait!
Cheers
Installed today in a vm, looks good, especially the option to centralize the task bar
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Installed today in a vm, looks good, especially the option to centralize the task bar
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I have the leak installed and its been running smooth. nice updated look and some nice new features here and there but at same time still resembles win10 enough to where you can use it business as usual right out of the box
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I have the leak installed and its been running smooth. nice updated look and some nice new features here and there but at same time still resembles win10 enough to where you can use it business as usual right out of the box
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Where did you download it from and what's your PC's specs, if you don't mind me asking?
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I have the leak installed and its been running smooth. nice updated look and some nice new features here and there but at same time still resembles win10 enough to where you can use it business as usual right out of the box
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Official Windows Dev build 22000.51 update is out.
Hands up who thinks Microsoft will be stupid enough to really enforce TPM 2.0 as a Windows 11 requirement and alienate better than 80% (conservative) of their actual market?
If the plan is to enforce better security, i wonder how thats going for them since theres already workarounds about (including grafting a certain .dll to bypass the TPM restriction)....then their decision is orders of magnitude of stupid beyond that time they all told us no one used a Start Menu anymore....
Surely the TPM requirement will die a horrible death before October
No one is that silly to enforce it, not even them....
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Hands up who thinks Microsoft will be stupid enough to really enforce TPM 2.0 as a Windows 11 requirement and alienate better than 80% (conservative) of their actual market?
If the plan it to enforce better security, i wonder how thats going for them since theres already workarounds about (including grafting a certain .ddl to bypass the TPM restriction)....then their decision is orders of magnitude of stupid beyond that time they all told us no one used a Start Menu anymore....
Surely the TPM requirement will die a horrible death before October
No one is that silly to enforce it, not even them....
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They could. They really want a world where people buy a new PC every five years at least. It also wouldn't surprise me if they eased up on requirements just a little bit. CPU requirements are a good example. If they came out and said that Windows 11 supports Intel 6th-gen and up, people would be outraged. If they say 8th-gen and up, and then roll it back to 6th-gen and up, people are grateful.
They had originally published TPM 1.2 as a "hard floor", so maybe that's where they'll end up.
Cloud and central services are the plan for Microsoft(Even in companies, more cloud business, more service defined services, more "hand's off, let the software do it automatically"). They want more control, more feedback, more profit from an operating system that is free for many users. You get it for free, you have to give something for it. Your data, your control. That's it.
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They could. They really want a world where people buy a new PC every five years at least. It also wouldn't surprise me if they eased up on requirements just a little bit. CPU requirements are a good example. If they came out and said that Windows 11 supports Intel 6th-gen and up, people would be outraged. If they say 8th-gen and up, and then roll it back to 6th-gen and up, people are grateful.
They had originally published TPM 1.2 as a "hard floor", so maybe that's where they'll end up.
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Thats my other issue, i have a perfectly good Core i7-4970 (4th Gen) system that i just completed Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts 2 on. 4 cores/8 threads @ 4Ghz. Thats 7 generations behind current. This PC still steals other PC's lunch money
Anyone want to give me a cogent reason why i cant run Windows 11?
Ive been in IT since 8bit, i have a PC that does everything i need and i still havent actually found the limits of it, and never been into aspirational technology...i blame that rotten Apple for this cancer of people wanting a new product every 6 months...if Microsoft tries to go down the route that Apple does and excluding them via hardware age, which is another ****ty trait of theirs, it will end very badly for them. People will switch to free alternatives like Linux in droves, and i'll help them do it...
Like i said, and insane amount of people have a PC capable of running Windows 11 perfectly. The time for Microsoft to go after their new "security agenda/awakening" was when they called halt to Windows 7. Not now....
TPM is set to be a massive fail if they enforce it....
A very old picture, long before the word "cloud" was born in the IT, the same was going on with big data, but you can simply say the same for cloud
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Hands up who thinks Microsoft will be stupid enough to really enforce TPM 2.0 as a Windows 11 requirement and alienate better than 80% (conservative) of their actual market?
If the plan it to enforce better security, i wonder how thats going for them since theres already workarounds about (including grafting a certain .ddl to bypass the TPM restriction)....then their decision is orders of magnitude of stupid beyond that time they all told us no one used a Start Menu anymore....
Surely the TPM requirement will die a horrible death before October
No one is that silly to enforce it, not even them....
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Another workaround I saw was to open the ISo and replace x Files from Win 10 for the TPM check, zip it back up and install it. Much like replacing files on ROMS, right?
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i blame that rotten Apple for this cancer of people wanting a new product every 6 months...i
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...and Android hopped right on board with Monthly updates
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Thats my other issue, i have a perfectly good Core i7-4970 (4th Gen) system that i just completed Sniper Ghost Warrior Contracts 2 on. 4 cores/8 threads @ 4Ghz. Thats 7 generations behind current. This PC still steals other PC's lunch money
Anyone want to give me a cogent reason why i cant run Windows 11?
Ive been in IT since 8bit, i have a PC that does everything i need and i still havent actually found the limits of it, and never been into aspirational technology...i blame that rotten Apple for this cancer of people wanting a new product every 6 months...if Microsoft tries to go down the route that Apple does and excluding them via hardware age, which is another ****ty trait of theirs, it will end very badly for them. People will switch to free alternatives like Linux in droves, and i'll help them do it...
Like i said, and insane amount of people have a PC capable of running Windows 11 perfectly. The time for Microsoft to go after their new "security agenda/awakening" was when they called halt to Windows 7. Not now....
TPM is set to be a massive fail if they enforce it....
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Obviously, your Core i7-4970 can outperform, say, the supported Pentium Gold 4425Y. Performance is clearly not the issue, and I don't even think Microsoft is pretending that it is. Instead, they're claiming features supported by the chips, including security. I'd bet money that they'll roll back the requirements, at least a bit.
I think they're going to enforce TPM, but I think that the term "massive fail" is relative. The objective of Windows 11 is clearly not the same as Windows 10. Windows 10 was all about getting every Windows user on the same version of Windows. A big thing at the time was Microsoft saying that it didn't want to compete with itself. Every time there was a new version of Windows, it was trying to compete with the old version of Windows.
Windows 11 is more about getting you to buy a new computer. It's not about getting as many people as possible to upgrade anymore; otherwise, they wouldn't have raised the minimum requirements.
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Obviously, your Core i7-4970 can outperform, say, the supported Pentium Gold 4425Y. Performance is clearly not the issue, and I don't even think Microsoft is pretending that it is. Instead, they're claiming features supported by the chips, including security. I'd bet money that they'll roll back the requirements, at least a bit.
I think they're going to enforce TPM, but I think that the term "massive fail" is relative. The objective of Windows 11 is clearly not the same as Windows 10. Windows 10 was all about getting every Windows user on the same version of Windows. A big thing at the time was Microsoft saying that it didn't want to compete with itself. Every time there was a new version of Windows, it was trying to compete with the old version of Windows.
Windows 11 is more about getting you to buy a new computer. It's not about getting as many people as possible to upgrade anymore; otherwise, they wouldn't have raised the minimum requirements.
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I'll wait for the cheque from Redmond....
Like i said, this has all the hallmarks of creating a new Windows 7 style holdout, which is patently stupid and will only hurt them.
TPM has been around for long enough, and yet every company i worked in never chose to utilize it, and your average Joe has no idea it even exists, nor cares about it.
By all means offer features that rely on it, and deny those features to people who don't choose to have TPM, or have it turned on, but to make it a requirement install the OS at all is certifiably insane, like really....
After 30+ year sin IT and watching Microsoft make some truly bad decisions, i for one won't be the one to give the bad news to anyone i currently support, ill just pass on the local Microsoft support details and watch the excrement hit the fan from the comfort of my bunker...
I had hoped Microsoft had learned its lesson after taking 2/3 years to return the Start Menu after they crowed they had "metrics that show people don't even use it", but no
Their utter capitulation on the Start Menu you might have humbled them some and given them the ability to listen to and respect their customers...
Can i add TPM 2.0 in my Acer laptop (Aspire E 15)
E5-571-34GA (Model No. Z5WAH)
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Can i add TPM 2.0 in my Acer laptop (Aspire E 15)
E5-571-34GA (Model No. Z5WAH)
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Run any of the (now) half dozen programs that check for TPM, like:
Release 2.5.0.5 - Future Proofing · rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11
2.5.0.5 comes with the following changes: Code Cleanup Fixes Dev Builds Fixes App Sidebar Icon Minor Translation updates Fixes DPI scaling for Windows 11 Adds fixes from 2.5.0.4 that failed to com...
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(Download the latest .exe for your machine type - WhyNotWin11.exe = x64, WhyNotWin11_x86.exe = x86)
And/Or check your models manual from the manufacturers support site to see if its an option to enable in the BIOS
This isnt a thread where people are going to check through online specs for you to give a personal answer sorry.....
Based on the age of that model, and being an Acer laptop, im going to hard bet on No
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Run any of the (now) half dozen programs that check for TPM, like:
Release 2.5.0.5 - Future Proofing · rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11
2.5.0.5 comes with the following changes: Code Cleanup Fixes Dev Builds Fixes App Sidebar Icon Minor Translation updates Fixes DPI scaling for Windows 11 Adds fixes from 2.5.0.4 that failed to com...
github.com
(Download the latest .exe for your machine type - WhyNotWin11.exe = x64, WhyNotWin11_x86.exe = x86)
And/Or check your models manual from the manufacturers support site to see if its an option to enable in the BIOS
This isnt a thread where people are going to check through online specs for you to give a personal answer sorry.....
Based on the age of that model, and being an Acer laptop, im going to hard bet on No
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It is not available! and i know it is a hardware.
I want to know i can be added it in to my existing lap