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I thought the galaxy s2 had gorilla glass? Got two tiny scratches on the screen, kinda pissed because the phone is so new there are no screen protectors available.
I keep my phone in a pouch in my pocket, I thought this gorilla glass was unscratchable????
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Sharp object is the probable case of scratch but odd as its in a case .
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a key in your pocket might not scratch the screen, but some grains of sand for example can really mess with it.
even gorilla glass doesn't help against sand grains.
I keep repeating this... but you most likely scratched off some of the oleophobic coating, not the actual screen. It may look like scratches in certain angles or under certain light, but I bet you it's the coating.
dinan said:
I keep repeating this... but you most likely scratched off some of the oleophobic coating, not the actual screen. It may look like scratches in certain angles or under certain light, but I bet you it's the coating.
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So really hard glass covered by an easily scratched coating. If true, is there an easy, cheap fix? If not, then sounds like a screen protector is a good idea, even if the glass itself never scratches. Which kind of defeats the purpose of the Gorilla glass and the coating.
Nothing is unscratchable, unbreakable, unbeatable. GorillaGlass has the advatage of being resistant to the "usual" sources of scratching, but dust and sand are tricky bastards, that practically surrounds us and our precious phones.
When I first got my galaxy s, as careful as I was I still managed to get a few small scratches on it within the span of a few days. The only way to see them was when the screen was very clean and there was a direct source of light on it. Looking back it probably was a bit of sand or something sand like.
I ended up getting an sgp ultra clear protector. I would really recommend it once its out. But don't worry about small scratches. As long as you don't notice them when the screens on will be fine.
I think I'll end up cleaning my pockets religiously once I get my s2.
I think we all want to keep our babies scratch- and fingerprint free. With protectors, cloths and cases we make our best effords. On the other hand, not many of us keep our phones for more than a year (I had my SGS for six months before switching to the SGS2). So, for whom are we keeping the display in mint condition? The next buyer? I'm not saying that we all should throw our phones in pockets full of sand, keys and rusty nails, I'm just saying that common sense will keep our displays away from serious harm. To get annoyed over scratches that are only visible in bright, artificial light is probably not healthy.
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Nothing is unscratchable, unbreakable, unbeatable. GorillaGlass has the advatage of being resistant to the "usual" sources of scratching, but dust and sand are tricky bastards, that practically surrounds us and our precious phones.
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I understand. I have a Gorilla glass phone and have always used a screen protector. Mostly because I read many user reports very shortly after the phone came out about getting scratches for no apparent reason. I can't know if it was the coating or the glass itself that got scratched.
My point was if they coat Gorilla glass with a more easily scratchable film, and you have to cover it with a protector anyway then the purpose of the hard glass and the oleophobic coating are both pretty much defeated. Unless you prefer to go naked, have less fingerprints and put up with the scratches. There really needs to be a coating that's as hard as the glass.
I use a protector because it's easily replaced, so new surface cheap and simple anytime I need. Without it scratches seem difficult and/or expensive to fix.
I agree. But it becomes somewhat ridiculous when we're just stepping up on the screen protection ladder. So, we have GorillaGlass, which is protecting our display from scratches. Then we're putting on a screen protector to avoid scratching the scratch protective glass. And just in case, let's put the phone in a leather case or a pouch, so not to harm the screen protector. It's like having sex wearing three condoms; you will be safe as hell, but the feeling and the experience will be practically non-existent.
I was almost certain that the whole point of Gorilla Glass was to provide a stronger glass to prevent the screen from breaking upon impact - say, dropping the phone.
I've seen a billion iPhone 3GS's with shattered screens (wtf teens?!!!?).
Gorilla Glass is supposed to stop that from happening. It will scratch as easily as anything else.
Thanks for the feedback, one question tho. I've read that you can get rid of scratches on glass using some Cerium Oxide paste, has anyone tried it?
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I was almost certain that the whole point of Gorilla Glass was to provide a stronger glass to prevent the screen from breaking upon impact - say, dropping the phone.
I've seen a billion iPhone 3GS's with shattered screens (wtf teens?!!!?).
Gorilla Glass is supposed to stop that from happening. It will scratch as easily as anything else.
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Corning says increased scratch resistance is one of its features, as well as the break resistance you mention.
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/faqs/all?page=1
"Gorilla Glass is better able to survive the real-world events that most commonly cause glass to scratch, chip, or break."
http://pdf.directindustry.com/pdf/corning/gorilla-glass-product-information-sheet/12631-67069.html
"High resistance to scratch damage"
But if they put an oleophobic coating on it the scratch resistance is nearly pointless. So you're rationale could make the most sense.
I agree that sand can really mess it up. My S2 has a scratch on the screen which can only be explained by sand from the beach. Even though I never brought my phone to the beach, it may have gotten inbetween my Samsung leather flip case somewhere, sometime, somehow in my shorts pocket.
I keep my phone away from small change and keys and all of a sudden, there is a small 3mm scratch near the middle to the right.
Honestly though? Everything about this phone is better than my old Motorola Milestone (which has been to many beaches), but the Milestone's glass touchscreen seems more durable.
So note to everyone with an S2 in a case: apparently sand can destroy the screen.
Wow i just noticed today ...I got the screen at the perfect angle of light & my screen is riddled with 1 inch scratches
I treat my GS2 like my baby ...it only goes in & out of my pocket
This is what made me to literally throw my iPhone in the garbage & I stopped developing for iPhone ...because of there marketing lies
I am developing a website to expose Samsung of all there lies ....it is probably totally true that Samsung endorses/pays/ gives people free devices to make YouTube videos .....To mislead people into thinking that Gorilla Glass doesn't scratch .....a crock of [email protected]%t !!
If I put my device in a series of angles I can see......mmmmmmmmmmmm 2 very, very tiny scratches. It takes like 10 min in proper light to spot them.
BTW: I did try to scratch it with a couple of keys back in may to show off; nailed it.
Actually rethinking ....I shouldn't be so hard on Samsung ...there maybe other factors involved ..that are sensible
& Corning/Gorilla glass is manufactured by Corning ...so it's not really "assumed" Samsungs fault for claiming that it is unscratchable !
But was wrong .....its Corning that claims there glass is unscratchable ...lol
Yes sand would scratch for sure ...but is it only sand !? ..or other rock particles ....metal doesn't seem to do anything ...maybe depending on type of metal ....winter road salt ?
Ehhm a key ..i think is way to blunt to scratch .....it could be from hitting the metal rivets on front jean pockets ...when sliding it out of my pocket ...but those are blunt also
Or so i either have sand in my pants or diamond particles :silly:
I can not believe my eyes when I see that I can actually see scratches on my screen. It only shows up when the screen is oily or fog up. When it is clean, they won't show even under direct light. That got to be some coating getting scratched. Can others provide some insights on that?
http://goo.gl/TmBeL
Check this video. It is possible to get scratch even if you got Gorilla glass.
(The Amaze is not gorilla glass but it is a reinforced glass that similar to Gorilla glass.)
It is better to have a cheap screen protector on the screen all the time.
yep, welcome to my world, I was being stupid and didn't get a cover for mine...My nexus one lasted for a year after I took off the screen cover with no scratches, I don't know what kind of glass HTC is using now, they say its fortified, it still doesn't mean scratch proof:
read this thread i made a while back.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1422964&highlight=warning
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Check this video. It is possible to get scratch even if you got Gorilla glass.
(The Amaze is not gorilla glass but it is a reinforced glass that similar to Gorilla glass.)
It is better to have a cheap screen protector on the screen all the time.
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we're not sure if amaze is gorilla glass or not, as gorilla says in their FAQ that they do not realease the information of all the phones that have gorilla glass on them...due to agreement between the sellers like HTC. It definitely is fortified glass of some sorts, but yea even gorilla glass gets scratched..
As someone who keeps a single phone for years, I never understood the mentality that says one should have a screen protector. Now hear me out: I understand that the screen protector is supposed to protect the screen from being scratched. If the purpose of not scratching the screen is purely aesthetic, then the screen protector is useless, if not so beyond useless that it becomes an aesthetic liability. Screen protectors are no where near as hard as the combination of glass and coatings that compose the screen itself. Across the useable life of the phone, the thin plastic of a screen protector is much more likely to accumulate scratches than the glass. And so in the end it comes to be that the people who are most concerned about preserving the aesthetics of a mint-condition phone have one that is shrouded by an ugly protective case and a screen protector covered in hundreds of scratches that would not otherwise register on the glass.
But more towards the original concern: whether or not the screen is Gorilla(TM) glass, a similar glass, regular glass, or even pure and impossibly cut diamond, the anti-fingerprint and -reflective coatings sitting atop would not benefit from their scratch-resistant properties. My screen also has this problem. It only shows up when there is significant oil or fingerprints on the screen. I find the latter much more annoying. So I constantly wipe the phone on my pants or sweater and it's back to normal.
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As someone who keeps a single phone for years, I never understood the mentality that says one should have a screen protector. Now hear me out: I understand that the screen protector is supposed to protect the screen from being scratched. If the purpose of not scratching the screen is purely aesthetic, then the screen protector is useless, if not so beyond useless that it becomes an aesthetic liability. Screen protectors are no where near as hard as the combination of glass and coatings that compose the screen itself. Across the useable life of the phone, the thin plastic of a screen protector is much more likely to accumulate scratches than the glass. And so in the end it comes to be that the people who are most concerned about preserving the aesthetics of a mint-condition phone have one that is shrouded by an ugly protective case and a screen protector covered in hundreds of scratches that would not otherwise register on the glass.
But more towards the original concern: whether or not the screen is Gorilla(TM) glass, a similar glass, regular glass, or even pure and impossibly cut diamond, the anti-fingerprint and -reflective coatings sitting atop would not benefit from their scratch-resistant properties. My screen also has this problem. It only shows up when there is significant oil or fingerprints on the screen. I find the latter much more annoying. So I constantly wipe the phone on my pants or sweater and it's back to normal.
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I can scratch the "coating" with a new walmart bag. It is just annoying. I am sure htc is using gorilla glass. They used it in their other products. Doesn't make sense they will drop out from that.
I would use a TPU case on the phone because the naked phone is too slippery to hold. Scratches won't affect performance, but dropping it will render the phone non functional.
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As someone who keeps a single phone for years, I never understood the mentality that says one should have a screen protector. Now hear me out: I understand that the screen protector is supposed to protect the screen from being scratched. If the purpose of not scratching the screen is purely aesthetic, then the screen protector is useless, if not so beyond useless that it becomes an aesthetic liability. Screen protectors are no where near as hard as the combination of glass and coatings that compose the screen itself. Across the useable life of the phone, the thin plastic of a screen protector is much more likely to accumulate scratches than the glass. And so in the end it comes to be that the people who are most concerned about preserving the aesthetics of a mint-condition phone have one that is shrouded by an ugly protective case and a screen protector covered in hundreds of scratches that would not otherwise register on the glass.
But more towards the original concern: whether or not the screen is Gorilla(TM) glass, a similar glass, regular glass, or even pure and impossibly cut diamond, the anti-fingerprint and -reflective coatings sitting atop would not benefit from their scratch-resistant properties. My screen also has this problem. It only shows up when there is significant oil or fingerprints on the screen. I find the latter much more annoying. So I constantly wipe the phone on my pants or sweater and it's back to normal.
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Point taken but sometimes deep scratches are not aesthetics, its just intrusive to your daily work, so you're better off getting a screen protector, than have a deep scratch in your screen that can cost you a couple of hundred bucks to fix
I had my Hero for about 2 years. I put a screen protector on it right away. After about a month the it looked abolutely terrible. It was marked and scratched and had bubbles. Ugly. I pulled the screen protector off and never put another one on. the screen was as nice the day I sold it as it was the day I bought it. I have no intention of putting a screen protector on my Amaze. The beauty of the screen is, after all, one of the reasons I chose this phone.
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I had my Hero for about 2 years. I put a screen protector on it right away. After about a month the it looked abolutely terrible. It was marked and scratched and had bubbles. Ugly. I pulled the screen protector off and never put another one on. the screen was as nice the day I sold it as it was the day I bought it. I have no intention of putting a screen protector on my Amaze. The beauty of the screen is, after all, one of the reasons I chose this phone.
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Don't make the same mistake I did...you will regret it. I though the same at first. I mean my other phones did fine without screen protectors, but seems like for some reason this screen scratches quick...I'm very careful with my phone and I was suprised to see a deep scratch on it, I had no Idea how!!! just letting you know...I made the same exact mistake and posted the same thing in the accessories section, stated why people were putting screen protectors on their phones, and how it wasn't necessary.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1353158&highlight=screen&page=2
read post 16 and 18 made by me, i thought the same exact thing. even gorilla glass gets scratched , just spend 6 bucks get a boxwave one...at first I didn't like it, thought it was a bit sticky but after using it for a fewe days its smooth as the glass and you don't even notice it AT ALL NowI love it!!! It's exactly like the glass itself!!
Maybe you should mention that in the accessories thread, before people begin to think you still hate Boxwave and then they steer away from it.
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Maybe you should mention that in the accessories thread, before people begin to think you still hate Boxwave and then they steer away from it.
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you're right, I will
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I can scratch the "coating" with a new walmart bag. It is just annoying. I am sure htc is using gorilla glass. They used it in their other products. Doesn't make sense they will drop out from that.
I would use a TPU case on the phone because the naked phone is too slippery to hold. Scratches won't affect performance, but dropping it will render the phone non functional.
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Your last is a very good point. I made an oversight. Drop protection cases are useful.
So... On my phone i always use those plastic film thingies because a smartphone is something that i take everywhere with me and put it in different locations like pockets, backpacks etc. Other stuff can be in those pockets so scratches are definately a possibility. I just dont feel comfortable without it and they dont bother me at all while using the phone.
But on a tablet like the prime its a whole different story. When I use it I sit somewhere, comfortably and safe. When i take it with me it's in its neoprene sleeve. Also i usually take the dock with me, and when its docked the screen is automatically protected...
The Prime has even Gorilla glass so i dont plan on putting anything on it. This is my first tablet so you guys may have more experience with it... Your thoughts? The glass feels just so awesome to the touch, i dont think a protector can replicate that.
So do you plan on putting a protector on it?
Btw1: i really dont care about scratches on the back^^ It gives the device some personality! Its the same with books for me. Hate it when they are new and shiny. Feel free to comment on that as well
Btw2: Maybe this thread should be in the Accessory forum? This is a general discussion though - i think? Mods, do what you have to do.
I was thinking the same about the screen protector, but the IPS feels so good that i think I'm just going to get the sleeve.
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i bought one and it was near impossible to get it on without dust or something under it. thats a huge area to try to get dustless even in just a few seconds
i havent been using one, i just rub my tfp against whatever cotton shirt i might be wearing, that cleans the screen and i havent had any scratches.
i use a leather folio style case, so the screen is usually covered for the most part, i just use my shirt to get finger prints off lol
I have a dry application crystal clear screen protector and I love it mostly because it doesn't collect fingerprints and smudges as easy and is easier to wipe clean if anything this is worth it alone plus you don't have to worry about a accidental scratch somehow.
I don't and won't be using one. The tablet has gorilla glass and is very durable. My phone also has it and that goes all sorts of places and has remained scratch free. Considering my tablet is only at home loose otherwise always in the dock which then goes in the neoprene case, I have no desire to put one on and am not going to worry about it.
Prime has gorilla glass. I don't have one n my screen looks great. Veryyyy scratch resistant. Plus it cleans off so easily with the included cloth. All screen protectors do is degrade screen quality n throw off touch response.
http://gizmodo.com/5880520/stop-ruining-your-phone-with-a-stupid-case
no phone/tablet is designed to be used with a cover/skin, except iPhone 4
im glad my galaxy s2 is "free" after having a cover for 2 weeks..
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I know the link is about cases, but still think its in the same categori!
I took my prime down to the invisible shield stand in the mall to get a screen protector. hen I got there they said because the device was so new they didnt have anything for it. But because it was a TFP the guy offered to custom cut one for me.
Say what you want, but I got mine done without even a fleck of dust under it and it offers no distortion of my screen, nor do I notice any sensitivity loss. Not only that but I find its way easier to clean.
Besides who knows whats gunna jump out of nowhere and try and scratch your screen.
screen protector I have does not throw off sensitivity at all I was worried it would but it didn't just as responsive.
It may be false sense of security, but I have the skinomi protection on mine. Just in case. The screen is beautiful and I don't want anything to happen to it.
Yes. I liked the feel of it better without the screen protector. But I've not noticed any degrading of color, etc. There are 2 specs of dust that got underneath that are driving me MAD and that may end up being why I take it off, maybe. But overall its better because no finger prints and less worry.
But not as nice to touch
I've had my desire for nearly 2 years and there isn't a mark on the screen dropped at a few times too, great big dent on one corner but no scratches. Them corner protectors but probably a good idea but not worth trying to get a screen protector on.
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I use a protector, feels as good as the glass screen.
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i bought one and it was near impossible to get it on without dust or something under it. thats a huge area to try to get dustless even in just a few seconds
i havent been using one, i just rub my tfp against whatever cotton shirt i might be wearing, that cleans the screen and i havent had any scratches.
i use a leather folio style case, so the screen is usually covered for the most part, i just use my shirt to get finger prints off lol
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Take a shower and install the screen protector in the bathroom when it is still humid. Works like a charm to install screen protectors dust free.
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IMPORTANT DATA. Please read
Guys, I want to bring this to your attention so what happened to me doesn't befall you:
The Gorilla Glass, while tough, can be scratched quite easily under the right conditions. I was in a thread a few weeks agao, being all smart (like my Username, LOL!) saying that a screen protector was a waste. a) Because they make a beautiful screen something "less beautiful" b) that they are difficult to place on the glass properly, and c) My biggest pout: Anything that is sharp enough, hard enough, and strikes with enough force or velocity to scratch, chip or otherwise damage Gorilla Glass will likely not have any less impact from a piece of plastic between the glass and the projectile.
In other words, if something is going to damage the hardened glass, how is a decidedly super thin piece of plastic going to stop it?
In retrospect, I was very wrong, or at least partly wrong. That very night my daughter sat with me playing games on the Prime. We played a few games together: Where's my water, and similar. Then I played Need For Speed, and then she played Fruit Ninja.
When I went to clean all the 11 year old finger prints off, I noticed what looked to be scratches in the glass. At first I thought it was just debris from sticky fingers, but no... it was... HOLY **** THE GLASS WAS FREAKING SCRATCHED RIGHT THE **** THROUGH!!!!!!
Seems she had a cheap metal ring on, with a split back that lets you adjust the size. By holding the tablet in portrait, and not hard or in any way roughly, she scratched the glass on the right side of the camera, a 1" wide SET of scratches, not one or two, but a swirl of perhaps 12 or 15 scratches that were deep enough to be basically impossible to remove.
I tried to see if there were any methods to polish this out. including seeking help from a glass polishing co, and optometry tools and materials. All advised against it, and the amount of sanding, and polishing needed would have put an obvious "dent" in the glass that would make it no longer true or flat.
Fortunately I had insurance, and for a $125 deductible I was able to replace the unit. Lesson (a huge one) learned. Lesson I am trying to pass along? BE CAREFUL. Check EVERYONE who uses the the tablet to make sure they have no rings or jewelry. If a screen protector makes you feel more comfortable, b all means get one, and keep it on there, there are two types, the rubbery "sticky" ones that I hate, since your finger stick and won't slide on it very well, and the harder, shinier material (actually comes in an anti reflection satin finish too I believe).
No matter what you decide remember, if something looks like it could scratch the glass, don't take chances with it. better safe than hugely sorry. Also, while Gorilla Glass IS scratch resistant, it is NOT BREAK RESISTANT. When I saw the damage to my screen, I admit, I actually was close to tears... No ****.
Be careful out there.
Thx for your input man So i guess if i ever have a daughter i get an iPad to play games with her. It'll be fun to watch how she takes it apart and scratches it all over the place.. MUAHAHAHHAHAHhahhaaaa!
In a word: Yes.
Not so much for protection though but to minimize reflections and fingerprints.
While losing a tiny bit of sharpness and color the display is much more readable under any circumstances. No need to "wash" off fingerprints every 10 minutes, no need to hold the tablet so no lights are reflected right where I want to read something onscreen.
I use this one:
http://www.danto.de/onscreen-schutzfolie-fuer-asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-typ-non-reflecting.html
Since a tablet screen is much bigger than that of a smartphone applying it has to be done cautious and calm. To get rid of any particles between screen and protector I used TESA stripes to pull the protector off a bit and then another one to remove the particles.
Good idea with the shower, though.
demandarin said:
Prime has gorilla glass. I don't have one n my screen looks great. Veryyyy scratch resistant. Plus it cleans off so easily with the included cloth. All screen protectors do is degrade screen quality n throw off touch response.
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I concur. A screen protector isn't necessary for normal use. Also, you might have some issues docking it with a protector on.
i dont see any point to use screen protector, its not small device like regular cellphone which may be accidently put in same pocket as your keys and therefore scratch your screen. I use mine mostly with dock, so when its closed its protected by dock, and while not having it docked i use leather case from ebay. And afterall it has gorilla glass should be durable
IMO, no, it does not need one, but it never hurts to be safe. I've no case for mine yet, and am about to have a Skinomi skin to throw on it, and have been using it for only three days. My screen is perfect, I'm a neat freak and keep it spotless, keeping a cloth on hand and using a stylus. However, a case/skin for the back most certainly is needed if you don't like scratches. I don't mind them, my phone is covered in dings and scratches and gouges, but the screen is fine with a protector.
In short, no, it doesn't really need one, but yes I'll be using one. Damned if I'll accidentally hit my jacket zipper too hard or something retarded.
Like the above poster said, does it NEED a screen protector, no. But lets be realistic, people give gorilla glass way too much credit thinking that its invincible. If the tab is always in an immaculately clean place, then you have nothing to worry about. But a lot of dirt particles also have tiny particles of sand in it, which easily scratches glass. Key tests are just useless propaganda. Its little sand particles and other small minerals found in dirt that will scratch your screen, which is how most peoples phone screens get scratched without them realizing. Dirt and dust are everywhere. But if you're careful enough, you can minimize the issue. Personally, I spent $500 on a device so I feel an extra $10 to protect the screen against scratches and preserve resale value isn't much to ask. Also, Skinomi has a screen protector that has a cutout for the dock, I highly recommend it,its super clear.
Long story short, you don't need one if you're going to be careful enough. But don't fall for marketing hype and think that gorilla glass is indestructible. It actually marks up pretty easy (especially if theres a coating on top of the gorilla glass). I put screen protectors on my devices so I don't have to baby them. If i'm always worried about scratches, I can't fully enjoy it.
The Xperia S comes with a pre-applied shatter resistant screen protector.
Now the thing is I got a scratch on mine. Which kinda sucks. How easy is it to remove it and then replace it with a new exact same one?
I bought a pair of screen protectors. But they don't fit all around the screen like the shatter-resistant protector.
They cut out around the sensors, camera and speaker.
So. Any tips and tricks?
Screenshot of the bought screenprotectors:
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Well put another one like that, its almost impossible, already its a thread in here for that, how to remove it and the options for a new one
kekkle said:
The Xperia S comes with a pre-applied shatter resistant screen protector.
Now the thing is I got a scratch on mine. Which kinda sucks. How easy is it to remove it and then replace it with a new exact same one?
I bought a pair of screen protectors. But they don't fit all around the screen like the shatter-resistant protector.
They cut out around the sensors, camera and speaker.
So. Any tips and tricks?
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That's because you're supposed to cover the anti-shatter sheet (which is not a screen protector just anti-shatter) with a screen protector that you can easily replace.
I just posted a thread in this same forum section about official Sony ones I got from Japan. But remember they are not the same as your anti-shatter sheet, you're supposed to put them on top of the anti-shatter sheet.
In terms of what they cover, they are the closest to the anti-shatter sheet as they cover all the sensors, the Sony ones just don't cover the camera and the earpiece.
If you order the Sony potector, you have two choices. You can either put it on top of the anti-shatter sheetand hope you wont be able to see the scratch anymore through this one or you can remove the anti-shatter sheet and place this one down alone. Its up to you.
I've already removed the sheet. It's now completely free of protection as I screwed up putting on the screen protector.
It's more sensitive dust and fingermarks now, but overall I'm happy. Will be placing a screen protector on it soon again when I get around to it.
Took mine off today. I seriously, repeat, seriously doubt that sheet can do ANYTHING. It peels off like regular screen protector, does not glue to the glass at all. Once you have a corner up it lasts less than a second to peel it off.
For some of you repeating what SONY want you to believe, carry on.
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Took mine off today. I seriously, repeat, seriously doubt that sheet can do ANYTHING. It peels off like regular screen protector, does not glue to the glass at all. Once you have a corner up it lasts less than a second to peel it off.
For some of you repeating what SONY want you to believe, carry on.
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That's what I say. The screen is much better without it.
Should i remove the screen protector
I have Scractched My Sony Xperia S , and it kinds of irritates when there is more White ,, I heard and read that the factory applied screen Protector can be removed, the Question is , is it a screen Protector or a shatter Protector..
In the case i do remove it how do i clean the glass if there is any residue gum and will it affect the screen in any way... Should i Put on a New screen Protector Once i Remove the original Factory fitted one.
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That's what I say. The screen is much better without it.
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does Xperia U have the same screen shatter protector? mine is scratched in the second day, now I applied a screen protector over it
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Yes it is a shatter protector thick layer, I damaged mine too (Xperia P), I removed it and then applied a good quality screen protector, no residue no marks are left when the shatter protection is removed, hope this helps.
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I had no idea the provided protectors had to go on top of the already applied one. Is it written in the manual/instructions?
Anyway, what is a good screen protector that can replace the shatter one to a good enough standard? I have scratches on mine, a rather large scuff over the front camera, making it unusable. So I suppose I could remove it and replace it with a protector?
Any recommendations?
It doesn't prevent shatter, i know that for a fact!
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Thats probably why it's not called a shatter preventor protector
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How easily can the screen without the preapplied protector be scratched? Just from carrying in a jeans pocket?
Should I apply a screenprotector if I remove the original one?
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The screen of the Xperia S is pretty scratch proof. Like really proof. The shatter-resistant protector on the other hand gets scratched in no time.
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The screen of the Xperia S is pretty scratch proof. Like really proof. The shatter-resistant protector on the other hand gets scratched in no time.
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This.
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Yeah if I put my face up to the screen during direct sunlight I can just make out tiny scratches. Some of them are not permanent and some clearly are. The screen has been very good vs heavy scratches, but still gets light scratches like every other phone screen I have had. If you were to put a screen protector on you wouldnt even notice the scratches. Light scratches will always happen and it doesnt really bother me unless I can see them.
Edit: I did receive a free Spigen screen protector so I will try it out and see if I like it or not just for the hell of it. Generally though I prefer the naked screen and even my old hero with gorilla glass 1 came through just fine except for the minute almost imperceptible scraches.
Folks, Gorilla Glass is a marketing ploy. It doesn't offer any real scratch resistance over normal glass, but the compound it's made of makes it less likely to shatter (two different things). When it comes to scratch resistance, you're looking at the Mohs scale.
Mohs scale of mineral hardness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
You may be more familiar with this than you think. Diamond is a 10, the hardest substance known to man. Diamond can only be scratched by another diamond or a laser.
Glass has a rating of 6-7, depending on the hardness of the glass. Plastic is a 3-4.
If you take your keys over a glass screen (or a glass window), touch it to the surface, and rub with a little pressure (just enough to gain a degree of resistance), you WILL NOT scratch the glass. I've even scared the crap out of someone by hacking at my Zune HD's screen with a carbon-steel steak knife, and not a scratch.
So what will cause you to scratch your glass screen? Two things;
-a softer material (like metal) and force, not resistance. Yes, if you slam something into the screen, it may very well get a small crack, small enough that we see it as a scratch. Because, while glass is very scratch resistant, it easily shatters. It's force that gives us those small "scratches."
-dirt/sand - Sand (quartz sand, specifically) is an active ingredient in glass. If you get small particles of sand or other types of dirt on the screen and then wipe it off with your shirt (or even a microfiber cloth), you can develop small scratches in your screen. The most annoying is those who wipe with a circular motion, as it leaves rings in the screen. Want to avoid this? Take a SMALL amount of Endust for Electronics and a paper towel and gently wipe off the screen. The liquid will act as a buffer between the screen and the dirt. Then, take a microfiber cloth (those little eyeglass cleaning cloths that come with screen protectors) and wipe off the residue left by the Endust and any pieces of the paper towel.
When you use a quality screen protector (SGP, Clarivu, Martin Fields), you're putting a plastic overlay over the phone. While this will scratch more easily than the glass screen, if applied correctly, it acts as a shock absorber, thus making it harder for the screen to shatter. It protects from scratches by taking the scratches itself, and it protects from shattering by absorbing the force of the blow.
The wet applications like the Invisible Shield are so thin that they don't noticeably increase shatter resistance. They'll just keep the screen together when shattered. The Invisible Shield is harder to scratch though, making it so that you don't have to replace it as often (it looks nicer longer than a normal plastic screen protector). Basically, it protects from scratches by deflecting them, but doesn't offer any real shock absorption.
Gorilla glass claims a hardness of 9 on Mohs scale which is utter bs. It realistically has a hardness of about 7-7.5 max. Normal glass can range from 6-7.2 depending on the type. Diamond is 10 and Sapphire is 9 which is what the make high end watch faces out of but is damn expensive. If Gorilla Glass was a 9 then they would use it for the watch faces since it is much much cheaper. I have a Citizen watch that has sapphire and the face is scratched as **** because I have had it for 12 years.
Remember as long as the scratches are the insanely small type caused by sand grains and such, you can easily get some special polish and buff those right out. The one nice thing about our screens not having oleophobic coating is you dont have to worry about damaging the coating when you polish it.
The best way for a manufacturer to reduce scratches is to put a chin on the phone like the Hero had. This way the phone screen never touches the ground.
When I got the phone I thought that the phone had one screen protector installed and that the other one in the packge was spare. How wrong I was. Now the shatter-resistant protector is full of small scrathes, even tough I haven't had keys or anything else on the same pocket. I've had the phone for about three months now.
I ordered Martin Shields few days ago, and I'm going to replave the shatter-resistant protector with that.
I had Wrapsol on my Galaxy Note and was pretty satisfied with it, but unfortunately they don't make one for P. My wife has Zagg on her Galaxy S, but it's bit too stick for my taste.
I put a screen protector on today to test it with one and it was on for all of 30 seconds before I tore it off. I just cant stand the things. Perfect thing for me would be a fold over case but as I use my left hand for the phone, they all fold the wrong way.
The phone was completely unusable for me after removing the shatter protection. The glass itself is a sticky mess, even after wiping of the goo left from the shatter protection, fingerprints and dust stick like crazy and is a real chore to clean.
I bought a Steinhall crystal clear film and the phone is now smooooooth as butter. I absolutely love it.
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The phone was completely unusable for me after removing the shatter protection. The glass itself is a sticky mess, even after wiping of the goo left from the shatter protection, fingerprints and dust stick like crazy and is a real chore to clean.
I bought a Steinhall crystal clear film and the phone is now smooooooth as butter. I absolutely love it.
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It gets better after a while. Mine is nice and smooth. I got a free spigen clear with my case but it didn't feel as good as bare glass.
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I can't stand the edge it adds by the bar on the bottom.
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So i have read rants on the Z1 having self breaking glass, and alittle on the ultra. Most of the threads on the ultra though have been, slight to moderate abuse (sat on)(backpack of stuff) causing breaks. Not the classic Z1 of "took phone out of front pocket". My normal routine is only having the phone in my front pocket when going from my desk to the car. Other than that its on my desk or left in my car (i hate walking around with a phone in my pants).
Mines coming this week and i kinda want to take some preventive steps, and wondering if sony really is replacing "not blown to bits" screens under warranty in at least the USA.
I hear it comes with a factory "screen protector" that you should leave on, and put another screen protector on top of it. Is that true or is the factory protector just the stock "tabbed" film that should be removed right after opening the box? I have a front/back screen protector coming, but wanted to know if i should peel off the factory one first.
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So i have read rants on the Z1 having self breaking glass, and alittle on the ultra. Most of the threads on the ultra though have been, slight to moderate abuse (sat on)(backpack of stuff) causing breaks. Not the classic Z1 of "took phone out of front pocket". My normal routine is only having the phone in my front pocket when going from my desk to the car. Other than that its on my desk or left in my car (i hate walking around with a phone in my pants).
Mines coming this week and i kinda want to take some preventive steps, and wondering if sony really is replacing "not blown to bits" screens under warranty in at least the USA.
I hear it comes with a factory "screen protector" that you should leave on, and put another screen protector on top of it. Is that true or is the factory protector just the stock "tabbed" film that should be removed right after opening the box? I have a front/back screen protector coming, but wanted to know if i should peel off the factory one first.
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one year in, and no glass breaking
your routine won't break the phone, i'm sure
screen protector, i have one on top of the anti shatter film provided with the phone, both front and back, and both scratched to hell, but too lazy to replace
Definitely put a aftermarket screen protector over the anti shatter film. The ASF is too soft, but is a pain in the arse to remove by all accounts
I've had my ZU for about 9 months now and have dropped it 3 times onto concrete, once without any screen proctor or case, the other two times has been with a wallet/flip case. The last time I dropped it the case even broke - still the screen is intact.
I too thought it wont happen to mine, till it really did, of course it's not self breaking glass for no reason, but more likely the most logical reason I could think of is, the stress accumulated from the daily use, a bit of pressure while in pocket, or backpack, along with the heat / cold temperature, whatever other bull crap from regular use, over a period of time, that stress cause the glass to be broken.
I pretty much babied my Z Ultra, have back casing, Glass M on the front, Skinomi on the back, never dropped, all in like new condition. Then last Sunday I was on my bike ride, put it inside my backpack, along with my wallet, then couple hours later, took it out from my backpack only to find the glass, under the M Glass screen protector, under the original ASF, has a hairline crack, and pretty much as good as brick, since it wont register any touch, I can see a call coming in, but cant answer it since the display doesnt work.
OP said it happens with Z1, I read that it happens with Z2, and it happens with my Z Ultra, so I think it's just something on their glass quality along with their full glass design, it is impacting a small number of them, not all, just small number, but still the problem indeed does exists.
But I still buy another Z Ultra in a heart beat without much thinking, as a matter of fact already got another one from expensys, with the price is so cheap now, the smoothness, the crisp display, the waterproofness, it still worth every penny.
Mine broke in the pocket, and so did others.
It can break. But with that said, the risk yours will break in the pocket with no abuse is small.
Sony aren't very consistent in handling these cases. Sometimes they get it fixed on warranty, sometimes they're not. But if you get a first negative answer just send in a complaint and they might turn around (as in my case).
I just got mine back. I had the asf removed on the previous one, I'm not taking it off now. And I'm doubling up with tempered glass protectors.
i personally recommend removal of the anti shater layer, if you live in humid climates, as it can cause the residual moisture and oils from your fingers to cause key presses. i had a bad issue with this till i spend an hour with a razor blade removing it.
some people also claim that removing the layer voids your warranty, but i had the phone replaced about a month back with my extended warranty and had no issues with replacement regardless of having the film removed.
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i personally recommend removal of the anti shater layer, if you live in humid climates, as it can cause the residual moisture and oils from your fingers to cause key presses. i had a bad issue with this till i spend an hour with a razor blade removing it.
some people also claim that removing the layer voids your warranty, but i had the phone replaced about a month back with my extended warranty and had no issues with replacement regardless of having the film removed.
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There is so much wrong with this post.
boystuff said:
i personally recommend removal of the anti shater layer, if you live in humid climates, as it can cause the residual moisture and oils from your fingers to cause key presses. i had a bad issue with this till i spend an hour with a razor blade removing it.
some people also claim that removing the layer voids your warranty, but i had the phone replaced about a month back with my extended warranty and had no issues with replacement regardless of having the film removed.
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i live right on the equator, and have not had any problems with this (i also use a screen protector on top of the antishatter film). do you mean to say by removing the anti-shatter film, the glass doesn't pick up any fingerprints and oil? a screen can only be oleophobic for so long.
To those who have had the screen crack in their pockets: were you using a hard case to provide rigidity to the device?
I also just received a Z Ultra and read through the massive threads on Sony's forums on these problems. It just seems the device is so thin it has too much flex in the pocket. I'm even hesitant to use the leather flipstyle case if it doesn'tt provide enough rigidity.
I'm thinking maybe the aluminum bumper case with GlassM protectors on both sides would work nicely together. Hopefully the aluminum won't degrade the signal quality too harshly.
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To those who have had the screen crack in their pockets: were you using a hard case to provide rigidity to the device?
I also just received a Z Ultra and read through the massive threads on Sony's forums on these problems. It just seems the device is so thin it has too much flex in the pocket. I'm even hesitant to use the leather flipstyle case if it doesn'tt provide enough rigidity.
I'm thinking maybe the aluminum bumper case with GlassM protectors on both sides would work nicely together. Hopefully the aluminum won't degrade the signal quality too harshly.
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Those hair thin aluminum bumper cases wont do squat, the thick glassM m shields wont do squat. The device is just too long and think. Your best bet is to treat it like a full size tablet. Dont sit with it in your pocket, dont put it in your bag without being in a separate compartment. The poor thing is like 1/4" thick and made out of aluminum and glass. I still dont know why they choose this glass. I can take my droid incredible with gorilla glass and pound the screen on the corner of a desk over and over, no scratches. This sony phone just doesnt have any flex for the glass.
I just through an iLLumiShield on the front and back so i can throw it on the table and not worry about scratches.
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Those hair thin aluminum bumper cases wont do squat, the thick glassM m shields wont do squat. The device is just too long and think. Your best bet is to treat it like a full size tablet. Dont sit with it in your pocket, dont put it in your bag without being in a separate compartment. The poor thing is like 1/4" thick and made out of aluminum and glass. I still dont know why they choose this glass. I can take my droid incredible with gorilla glass and pound the screen on the corner of a desk over and over, no scratches. This sony phone just doesnt have any flex for the glass.
I just through an iLLumiShield on the front and back so i can throw it on the table and not worry about scratches.
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But if flex is the issue then wouldn't a solid metal frame that doesn't bend around the perimeter of the phone rectify such concern?
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But if flex is the issue then wouldn't a solid metal frame that doesn't bend around the perimeter of the phone rectify such concern?
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Yes but the aluminum bumper case is very flimsy stamped aluminum. You would need something with zero give like aircraft grade. An aluminum or plastic shell would be the way to go, but That bumper case is just to prevent chiping of the sides, and give a mm lip when laying the phone on its front/back.
I just use a rubber back cover and THAT'S IT. No problems for me. And yes i keep it in my jeans' pocket most of the time. It does hinder my movement a little though
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The better way to deal with the size is not to put in jeans pocket. In winter, jacket pockets I guess are ok. In summer, I guess the best way would be to buy a camera bag or something for this. I think that would solve this problem.
I just got the phone and I am kinda surprised to see how thin it is. Definitely not a phone you should stress too much.