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There is an official HDMI to VGA adapter from Asus
However, I was wondering if third party adapters could work. I found one from dealextreme that is male-mini-HDMI-to-male-VGA adapter.
If Transformer supports analogue VGA signal via HDMI port, then I think it should work. If the official adapter has some additional D/A converter built-in (which I think is unlikely), then only the official cable will work.
Has anyone tried?
Could you please give us a pointer of the official HDMI to VGA from Asus?
soalle said:
Could you please give us a pointer of the official HDMI to VGA from Asus?
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It's not released yet.
Generic ones should work fine. But be prepared for some long chains. e.g. mini to regular HDMI, HDMI to DVI, DVI to VGA.
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Generic ones should work fine. But be prepared for some long chains. e.g. mini to regular HDMI, HDMI to DVI, DVI to VGA.
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it really depends on the tablet, since HDMI is digital and VGA and DVI is analog, so it depends if the tablet actually gives a analog signal or not
if it doesn't you're gonna need a DAC to use VGA =/
Tried it?
Has anyone tried a mini hdmi to vga cable? If so please can they confirm.
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Has anyone tried a mini hdmi to vga cable? If so please can they confirm.
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yes.. no luck!
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yes.. no luck!
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Second here...tried it...not working
Ya it doesn't work for me too.
I suspect ASUS mapped the pins differently from the HDMI pins to the VGA pins. If ASUS can make the HDMI-to-VGA adapter work, that means the Transformer can already support analogue signal output from the HDMI port. Or else they would need a bigger adapter to do D/A conversion outside the tablet. If so, then once someone got hold of the mapping, it would be easy to mass produce a HDMI-to-VGA cable for the tablet.
FOTA Update?
If you have had the FOTA ASUS update and have a mini HDMI to VGA adapter please can you test. Looks like this update added support for the new Asus accessories, of which is the Asus VGA adapter.
I use the HP HDMI->VGA adapter and it works just fine. I need to use an adapter to convert to MiniHDMI.
chybinj said:
I use the HP HDMI->VGA adapter and it works just fine. I need to use an adapter to convert to MiniHDMI.
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you have that working on your transformer?
could you post a link to the exact model?
Working too here.
http://www.amazon.com/HP-HDMI-Vga-Display-Adapter/dp/B0038KFTZK
But, the official one is about 25$, and need no adapter. Soo if you dont have hurry, you may wait for it.
Beware that normal cable adapters may not work, since a digital - analogical convertion is needed.
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Working too here.
http://www.amazon.com/HP-HDMI-Vga-Display-Adapter/dp/B0038KFTZK
But, the official one is about 25$, and need no adapter. Soo if you dont have hurry, you may wait for it.
Beware that normal cable adapters may not work, since a digital - analogical convertion is needed.
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so this has a built in converter?
so if i grab this all i need is the mini hdmi to hdmi converter correct?
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so this has a built in converter?
so if i grab this all i need is the mini hdmi to hdmi converter correct?
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Yes! The offical asus conveter is very similar, but already have the mini hdmi, but the adapter is small. Noticed that it may not be easy to found this adapter ina a retail store, I forgot to buy it online when I buyed the hdmi to vga converter. (Note: I saw some converter, with external power adapters, but this is clean, small and works!)
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you have that working on your transformer?
could you post a link to the exact model?
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Yes I use it daily! Its the HP Part # NP031AA#ABA and was $40 from HP
http://www.shopping.hp.com/store/product/product_detail/NP031AA%23ABA
I did need to get an adapter for Male MiniHDMI to Female HDMI - bought @ Target and dont recall the price.
John
chybinj said:
Yes I use it daily! Its the HP Part # NP031AA#ABA and was $40 from HP
http://www.shopping.hp.com/store/product/product_detail/NP031AA%23ABA
I did need to get an adapter for Male MiniHDMI to Female HDMI - bought @ Target and dont recall the price.
John
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thanks. what's the display quality like thru the adaptor -- compared to hdmi?
any problems/ niggles with it?
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VGA and DVI is analog
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What. Digital Visual Interface, what's analog about it? DVI-I does analog too, but it's still a digital connection that can do analog. If the video card supports HDMI encryption with a cheap adapter DVI can even send HDMI signals.
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Monoprice sells mini HDMI to HDMI adapters for $2 + s/h. It'll work with the HP HDMI to VGA converter. If there's some distance between the monitor and the tablet, Monoprice also sells mini HDMI to HDMI cables, up to 15 feet long. The 15 ft cable is about $5 + s/h.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10419&cs_id=1041909&p_id=3653&seq=1&format=2
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10242
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iPop said:
Monoprice sells mini HDMI to HDMI adapters for $2 + s/h. It'll work with the HP HDMI to VGA converter. If there's some distance between the monitor and the tablet, Monoprice also sells mini HDMI to HDMI cables, up to 15 feet long. The 15 ft cable is about $5 + s/h.
http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10419&cs_id=1041909&p_id=3653&seq=1&format=2
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10242
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This same adapter cost like 15 bucks in my country (Panama), it sucks!
I ordered the MHL adaptor from T-Mobile's website yesterday, so I should get it today (yeah, I paid the extra $6 for overnight shipping).
Does this phone support FULL mirroring (i.e., when plugged in to TV, TV screen mirrors whatever is on the phone's screen)? I used the full HDMI app on my Evo 4G, and it was great for watching shows from HBO GO on my TV.
Has anyone tried it yet? If not, is there a review out there somewhere that specifically demonstrates this feature?
I guess I'll know tonight when I get home from work!
Thanks,
Rob
I haven't seen it specifically on this phone, but I've seen the Qualcomm MSM8660 demos showing full mirroring. We should be capable of it, but I haven't tried it out yet.
I'm surprised nobody's tried it yet!
Can you use the normal micro HDMI or do you have to buy the adapter to use HDMI? Lol kinda confused how this works with the new port? Could anyone explain? Thanks
You need to buy an adaptor. Basically, it's a dongle that plugs into the USB (charger) on the E3D. The dongle/adaptor has a HDMI port on it, along with a USB port. You plug an HDMI cable into the HDMI port, and into the TV. You plug a charger into the USB port and into the wall.
So no, the HDMI cable from the EVO 4G (I have one too) won't work.
Does that help?
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You need to buy an adaptor. Basically, it's a dongle that plugs into the USB (charger) on the E3D. The dongle/adaptor has a HDMI port on it, along with a USB port. You plug an HDMI cable into the HDMI port, and into the TV. You plug a charger into the USB port and into the wall.
So no, the HDMI cable from the EVO 4G (I have one too) won't work.
Does that help?
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I believe that was what he said in the first line..
rtmeikle said:
You need to buy an adaptor. Basically, it's a dongle that plugs into the USB (charger) on the E3D. The dongle/adaptor has a HDMI port on it, along with a USB port. You plug an HDMI cable into the HDMI port, and into the TV. You plug a charger into the USB port and into the wall.
So no, the HDMI cable from the EVO 4G (I have one too) won't work.
Does that help?
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Thanks for clearing that up!!
Back to the issue at hand... does it do HDMI mirroring or not? I have this bad ass HDMI integration in my Prius that is preventing me from upgrading from the 4G until at least HDMI mirroring is confirmed.
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Back to the issue at hand... does it do HDMI mirroring or not? I have this bad ass HDMI integration in my Prius that is preventing me from upgrading from the 4G until at least HDMI mirroring is confirmed.
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According to this demo from CTIA it appears it can, but this is unfinished testing hardware/firmware so it's still not a confirmation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ynmqtopi9g
This doesn't exactly give you an answer with the level of certainty you are looking for but it's a good sign. We should see some end users with feedback on HDMI features on the production phone streaming in any time now that hopefully confirms that it can do this across any application without problems or limitations.
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I ordered the MHL adaptor from T-Mobile's website yesterday, so I should get it today (yeah, I paid the extra $6 for overnight shipping).
Does this phone support FULL mirroring (i.e., when plugged in to TV, TV screen mirrors whatever is on the phone's screen)? I used the full HDMI app on my Evo 4G, and it was great for watching shows from HBO GO on my TV.
Has anyone tried it yet? If not, is there a review out there somewhere that specifically demonstrates this feature?
I guess I'll know tonight when I get home from work!
Thanks,
Rob
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hey rtmeikle . I also got the mhl from tmobile. I hooked it up last night to sadly find out that hdmi mirroring is not supported at all. It was all a big hype it appears. Were you able to get it working? I'm hoping that you were so maybe its just my device....if not, then this phone is going back.
Yep, I got mine yesterday and tested it. It works fine.
You have to have the adaptor plugged in to the phone, a charger plugged to the adaptor, and the HDMI cable running from the phone to the TV.
I got full HDMI mirroring which automatically switched to landscape when I tested Netflix and HBO Go.
Rob
interesting. thanks for the quick respond. When i connect it to my hd tv all i get on the phone is a message that says *HDMI play a video or slideshow to display via hdmi* on the notifications bar. When I click that, nothing happens...
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interesting. thanks for the quick respond. When i connect it to my hd tv all i get on the phone is a message that says *HDMI play a video or slideshow to display via hdmi* on the notifications bar. When I click that, nothing happens...
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Strange. The image of my home screen just popped up on my TV; I didn't have to do anything.
I tested it on the TV in my bedroom, a 3-yr-old Samsung 42" Plasma, nothing fancy.
Maybe tonight I'll test it on my other two TVs and see if it works on all of them.
did you allow the latest OTA upgrade or did you cancel it? I allowed it as soon as I turned the phone on. I also tried it on my 58 samsung plasma hdtv. Its not that old but also not that new.
I'm going to try it tonight on my smaller 32 inch lcd hd tv to see if that makes a difference. It shouldn't though.
Not like it matters since all MHL cables are the same but here is the MHL adapter I'm using: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/AddOns...4ec1-a08e-e133fa772d53&inCart=True&catCode=23
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did you allow the latest OTA upgrade or did you cancel it? I allowed it as soon as I turned the phone on. I also tried it on my 58 samsung plasma hdtv. Its not that old but also not that new.
I'm going to try it tonight on my smaller 32 inch lcd hd tv to see if that makes a difference. It shouldn't though.
Not like it matters since all MHL cables are the same but here is the MHL adapter I'm using: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/AddOns...4ec1-a08e-e133fa772d53&inCart=True&catCode=23
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Yep, I've accepted the OTAs. And I'm using the exact same adaptor. Did you plug power into the adaptor too? I didnt' try without plugging it in, but I've heard that it needs to be plugged in to work.
Ok, i finaly got it to work. It wasn't a problem with the phone but a problem with the tv. I had to change some resolution settings on the tv and presto! Hdmi mirroring on its full glory
Now, do you know if I can pair up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse? Thats next for me.
Thanks for all the help.
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Now, do you know if I can pair up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse? Thats next for me.
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This is what I am currently doing. I have hooked up the following.
Mouse: Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000
Keyboard: Logitech MX5500 Keyboard
The keyboard works great. I can type in the applications and setup my keys in the emulators just fine (snesoid etc)
Mouse functionality though is different then you may expect. You don't get a mouse cursor, it just "highlights" selections then you "left click" to go forward. According to my research the right mouse button is supposed to "go back" but is not working for me.
I put up a thread asking others for help with it, so if I find an answer I will let you know.
Updating you on what I found out about the mouse.
"Well it looks like the fancy mouse support with a cursor and button functionality was something that was included in CyanogenMod 6.X then removed on CyanogenMod 7.
They then added a patch for version 7. But now apparently it is being included in his latest CyanogenMod.
Regardless, it appears you need root access "
wait so how do you charge your phone if you use that hdmi adapter? anyone have a link?
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wait so how do you charge your phone if you use that hdmi adapter? anyone have a link?
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the adapter has a USB plug that you use to hook up to a charger, and will charge your phone. Newer TVs are coming that will support charging over HDMI via the MHL adapter, there may be some out but I think will be a standard in 2012 TVs.
http://www.expansys-usa.com/expansys-mhl-to-hdmi-adapter-black-218572/
http://www.expansys-usa.com/htc-sensation-mhl-cable-ac-m490-extmicro-usb-12-pin-to-hdmi-218634/
the HTC one looks lke it includes a HDMI cable, too, but you can see the usb port on each adapter for charging.
Did anyone receive the HDMI adapter in the box for the AT&T Galaxy S II ? I read that it should be included but did not receive it.
Nope. Not in the AT&T box
10 char xxxx
Nope. It doesn't come with AT&T version. AT&T version, all you get is the phone, battery, ac charger, usb cable, $25 media hub (tv shows only), manuals.
The infuse comes with one. The galaxy doesn't included one.
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So a MiniUSB (or microUSB, whatever is ours) --> HDMI cable works from the phone?
only if your tv has MHL built into it
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only if your tv has MHL built into it
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curoius, do most newer tv's have MHL built in? or probably not?
all i can find when i type my tv's model number and MHL into google is.. my tv with some hockey info (NHL) hehe..
google is too smart for its own good sometimes.
Based upon what I've seen, you need a MHL adapter for the phone. Its just a little box that plugs into USB, and had a USB port on it for power input and an HDMI port. There's cheap out there, like this one.
I have an MHL adapter and it does work but you need to plug the power into the thing in order for it to do anything. My receiver has usb and hdmi on the front so that works for me. It would be nice to have 1 cable, but this works.
Unfortunately I believe that's the case with any MHL device. There's a chip inside that box that transcribes the MHL signal (coming over the 5 pin USB connector) to a full HDMI signal, and it requires power. It's not all that bad though, as you would probably want to be charging your phone while playing a video anyways.
Exactly it is nice it does have power. Unlike the ipad to vga dongle lol.
Eventually most of the high end TVs will have the MHL. You will still need the adapter but you will not need to power it. The TV will not only power your phone but charge it.
I pocketed the HDMI MHL adapter from my infuse when I returned it under the 30 day ATT trial... The screen was pixelated in my infuse in the top left hand corner so they were more concerned with my device being defective than me just not liking it and only asked me if the charger was in the box.
Honestly, who actually hooks their phone to their tv? I never have.
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Honestly, who actually hooks their phone to their tv? I never have.
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The treadmills at my gym have lcd 's on them, I hook up my phone to it every single day and watch videos while exercising.
I wonder if anyone can report on this:
dealextreme.com/p/mini-usb-on-the-go-host-otg-adapter-2-pack-50944
USB->HDMI adapter for SGS2?
I'm inclined to give it try...
The above link is for connecting a USB device, such as a thumb drive or keyboard to a mini USB device. Useful for us? yes. Useful for hdmi output? No.
where can i find this cable? i cant find it anywhere, if guys at hong kong, can u recommend me where can find it? both original or OEM is fine for me
emprize said:
where can i find this cable? i cant find it anywhere, if guys at hong kong, can u recommend me where can find it? both original or OEM is fine for me
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Any of the accessories that use Samsung's 30-pin connector (like on the original Tab, and every single Tab since then) will work. There is no HDMI adapter specific to any particular moel (the 7.7 included) so they'll all work with each other. I got mine off of Amazon.
P.S. It's awesome.
The problem is that it requires external power to attach to this adapter.
This is a deal breaker for me.
I am still in search of a single HDMI adapter without the need for a power supply. I need things to be minimal.
My Playbook can connect straight to the 1080p TV and can output 1080p signal to the TV using a single simple HDMI cable. Even though the 7.7 uses a propriety 30-pin cable, I hope that some company/or Samsung, can create a simple HDMI cable to watch 1080p movies on a TV.
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The problem is that it requires external power to attach to this adapter.
This is a deal breaker for me.
I am still in search of a single HDMI adapter without the need for a power supply. I need things to be minimal.
My Playbook can connect straight to the 1080p TV and can output 1080p signal to the TV using a single simple HDMI cable. Even though the 7.7 uses a propriety 30-pin cable, I hope that some company/or Samsung, can create a simple HDMI cable to watch 1080p movies on a TV.
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AFAIK, at this point, no such thing exists. Honestly though, the external power requirement isn't as bad as you might think, especially if your TV has a USB port (which, most do nowadays).
Connecting to non HD TV
I purchased the Samsung TV Out Cable Model:ECCI TP0BBECSTD, Ver. 6.0 to connect to a non HD TV but nothing appears on the screen, I tried it on all the AV channels to no avail, I tried it on another TV, still no joy. I purchased my Galaxy Tab from Hong Kong and wondered if this has any thing to do with my connection problem. I have the Samsung HDMI cable any it works fine. I would be very grateful for any advice on this matter. Thank you.
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I purchased the Samsung TV Out Cable Model:ECCI TP0BBECSTD, Ver. 6.0 to connect to a non HD TV but nothing appears on the screen, I tried it on all the AV channels to no avail, I tried it on another TV, still no joy. I purchased my Galaxy Tab from Hong Kong and wondered if this has any thing to do with my connection problem. I have the Samsung HDMI cable any it works fine. I would be very grateful for any advice on this matter. Thank you.
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I think 7.7 only support HDTV adapter. so no luck for non HD TV
had a 10.1 and it only work on landscape is it still the same? wen play YouTube n video it will to full screen jus like the 10.1?
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had a 10.1 and it only work on landscape is it still the same? wen play YouTube n video it will to full screen jus like the 10.1?
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yup, that's how it is for me.
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http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=57695
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http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=57695
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It's cheaper on Amazon.
Would someone be able to confirm if MHL is supported on the 7.7 through the micro usb socket as well as the 30 pin connector? I cant seem to find a definitive answer.
Cheers in advance!
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Would someone be able to confirm if MHL is supported on the 7.7 through the micro usb socket as well as the 30 pin connector? I cant seem to find a definitive answer.
Cheers in advance!
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What micro USB socket where? No, the 7.7 doesn't support MHL...
Oh my bad, assumed it had one for some reason! Thanks
So will a 30-pin to micro USB adapter which then connects to the micro USB to hdmi adapter work???
Also is the original 7" dock working fine???
Yes, the original Tab 7.0 Station works fine.
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will this dock work with galaxy tab 7.7
i need a dock with hdmi
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Yes, the original Tab 7.0 Station works fine.
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Cheers for the info,
Just need to get my dremel out and cut the ends off
Could someone tell me, which pins are used on MHL 30pin connector? I connected galaxy S2 MHL adapter to 1,7,17,18,19 pins, but it's not working.
Got a new MHL to HDMI adapter, I have a galaxy S4 phone and a galaxy note 10.1 2014 tablet. Works with both of them. I was able to get an HDMI output to project the tablet image on my TV. The next step will be to watch a movie on my TV screen that is sourced from my tablet and phone.
Then i tested it with my brother's tab pro 10.1, and it also works awesome. Chose to get this over the Samsung OEM one. So far I am very pleased.
Good to know but exactly how many of your posts are plugs for your website?
so will this mirror the screen or does it only work with viewing movies and pictures?
Does anybody know of any other affordable adapters that will work on a Tab Pro 8.4?
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Does anybody know of any other?
Cable Matters MHL 2.0 to HDMI Adapter with integrated USB Charging Port and 6' Charging Cable for Samsung Galaxy S3/S4/Note 2/Note 3/Note 8.0 - Black. Available on amazon. Sorry, Xda won't let me post the link.
This works with the 8.4 pro w or w/o external power. I had to trim plastic shroud around micro USB plug so it would insert deep enough to make contacts. Mine may have just been a defective example. It was an easy fix.
This one requires a standard m/m HDMI cable (not supplied). The one in post 1 requires a MHL to micro USB cable. (Supplied ? see correction.) The cable needs to be long enough so you can sit with your tablet and reach the TV.
Correction: The one in #1 does come with two cables. A USBmale to microUSBmale (for power) and a Micro USB Male to Male MHL Cable. (The later wasn't included in the pictures unless that what's in the black sleave box). How long is the Micro USB Male to Male MHL Cable? The length isn't listed on WOWparts.
Another correction 4Apr14: The Cable Matters MHL 2.0 to HDMI works fine without external power. Since you can set brightness of the tablet to minimum, you can easily get 4 hours on a charged 8.4 pro, maybe more. If you connect 5v power to the MHL 2.0, the tablet reports it is charging, but in fact, it is not. This is pretty strange. On my Galaxy 7.7 connected to a Samsung HDMI adapter, external 5v is required for the HDMI to work and it also charges the tablet.
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Got a new MHL to HDMI adapter, I have a galaxy S4 phone and a galaxy note 10.1 2014 tablet. Works with both of them. I was able to get an HDMI output to project the tablet image on my TV. The next step will be to watch a movie on my TV screen that is sourced from my tablet and phone.
Then i tested it with my brother's tab pro 10.1, and it also works awesome. Chose to get this over the Samsung OEM one. So far I am very pleased.
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after I read this ordered 2 1 for me (Tab Pro 8.4) and 1 for my friend ( Note 3 ) works great can watch a movie on the monitor ( using my PC monitor for this) while still being able to use other apps ( as long as you use the sammy vid player doesn't work that way with 3rd party vid players)
And to clear out some: If you don't know, better not say it,
The kit comes with all you need the "converter" is the small extra mini-usb piece labeled SIII => which by the way I noticed is extra long before I even used it, I figured bad quality control maybe? but no, it happened to my friend that length is actually needed to make contact with the MHL pins i'm guessing at this point since I read that Firedog91902 had to trim his for it to reach further in.
But yes it works great and comes with all you need!, The HDMI plug, USB Cable and the USB 5 pin to 11 pin converter all you need to supply( which you already have) is the charger or another USB cable for it to draw the needed juice.
They way I set it up in 3 steps
HDMI adapter/unit plugged to my monitor ( has 2 HDMI sockets )
Took and extra mini Usb charging cable from and old HTC for power and plugged into a USB 2.0 powered hub.
And last but not least Used provided USB cable with the little dongle converter to plug to the unit/HDMI adapter and my Tab 8.4 and tadaa works great!!
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so will this mirror the screen or does it only work with viewing movies and pictures?
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Both and not only that, if you use the stock Video player you can watch the movie on the TV while still browse and use the TabPRO for other stuff, just press home and the movie keeps playing and now you can chat or what ever else with the tab while watching the movie.
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mp119519 said:
Got a new MHL to HDMI adapter, I have a galaxy S4 phone and a galaxy note 10.1 2014 tablet. Works with both of them. I was able to get an HDMI output to project the tablet image on my TV. The next step will be to watch a movie on my TV screen that is sourced from my tablet and phone.
Then i tested it with my brother's tab pro 10.1, and it also works awesome. Chose to get this over the Samsung OEM one. So far I am very pleased.
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I can understand you. Last month , I also get a mhl to hdmi adapter from www.hdgenius.com ,Now it also works awesome. Support your idea !