I hope this is not covered someplace and i am just missing it. I have searched the forums and no one has yet answered this to my understanding. There are many posts regarding the process, but not much info on the benefits, so here goes:
Ok so I am rooted and running CleanROM 4.5 Standard. I am S-On with an unlocked bootloader. So here are my questions:
1. Given I am using the GB Patch method, is there any reason to re-lock, and flash the RUU to the latest leak version? (that is possible right?)
2. Is there any benefit to not using the GB patch method in terms of battery life, stability, radio reception etc?
3. Should I just S-Off anyway so whatever happens with the new OTA and going forward I can have all my options open?
I am happy with CleanROM 4.5 so far, but I am concerned about the future and whether running the Gingerbread firmware will work long term. Will i lose any future ICS functionality by not upgrading the firmware and using the patch method? Is there a down side to the patch method other than having to run the patch when flashing ROMS?
Everyone seems to feel differently about ICS.
Personally, the new radios in the 3.14 leak ruu simply out preform the gb radios.
I'm also getting much better battery life running on ICS firmware.
If you're already unlocked, instead of relocking, s-off your phone. Than flash the RUU, which will wipe out your recovery and give you ICS with s3.6. At that point you can either stay on the stock leak, or flash a recovery (amon ra 3.15) and flash custom roms.
I would s off...each day the ota comes closer and closer....it's doubtful it could close the s off method, but why take the chance... That's my logic anyways. Like I said its doubtful...but hey, ya never know.
Updating to ics ruu will give different radios, and if you stay on ics Rom you won't need old firmware patch.
S off makes flashing roms wayyyy easier...boot IMG install on most automatically. And you can upgrade or downgrade to whatever ruu works best for you.
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You can also just update the firmware. Superchillpill has a thread on it in the dev section.
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If you S-OFF you can upgrade then downgrade if you don't like it. Honestly it is worth the try if you have time to do the procedures.
My phone has never run better than on the newest leak and Newts xxx rls1
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As the title states, I'm just curious what I need to have done to be ready for the OTA update.
Currently I'm on the ICS leaked firmware, running CleanROM 4.3. Do I need to S-Off?
I would just wait until it gets incorporated into CleanRom after the official version comes out.
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I would think you would need to s-off so you could RUU back to gingerbread. Then you could receive an update.
You don't do anything. Let our great devs update their coding based off OTA. It's usually a good idea to not take OTAs right away. Never know what kind of hidden security patches may be included. I would hold off until you hear some news pertaining to what the update provides and if it's safe to flash.
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I'm with the original poster. I would like to know if there is step by step instructions on how to unroot my phone if I need to to get the update. Or would just relocking be enough to get it? I'm currently on cleanrom de 1.2. Also, are we supposed to get sense 4.0 or 3.6 with this, or does anybody know?
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slosrtnick said:
I'm with the original poster. I would like to know if there is step by step instructions on how to unroot my phone if I need to to get the update. Or would just relocking be enough to get it? I'm currently on cleanrom de 1.2. Also, are we supposed to get sense 4.0 or 3.6 with this, or does anybody know?
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Sense 4 won't be coming to the Rezound officially. It will be 3.6
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slosrtnick said:
I'm with the original poster. I would like to know if there is step by step instructions on how to unroot my phone if I need to to get the update. Or would just relocking be enough to get it? I'm currently on cleanrom de 1.2. Also, are we supposed to get sense 4.0 or 3.6 with this, or does anybody know?
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luis86dr said:
You don't do anything. Let our great devs update their coding based off OTA. It's usually a good idea to not take OTAs right away. Never know what kind of hidden security patches may be included. I would hold off until you hear some news pertaining to what the update provides and if it's safe to flash.
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I agree and wouldn't sweat it at all. Once it becomes official the devs will do what they do and we'll have plenty of options for the upgrade.
to actually answer the question that was asked, the easiest way is to just flash the leaked or stock RUU if that's what you want. you won't lose s-off, and you'll be updated like anyone else. You won't be root, of course, since it's a stock ruu. you'll still be able to flash a non stock rom later, load amon-ra, etc.
there may be a rooted stock rom out there that i don't know about that will do the same for you. i've not dug too heavily into the stock rom scene, since i prefer a rom with a lot of features.
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to actually answer the question that was asked, the easiest way is to just flash the leaked or stock RUU if that's what you want. you won't lose s-off, and you'll be updated like anyone else. You won't be root, of course, since it's a stock ruu. you'll still be able to flash a non stock rom later, load amon-ra, etc.
there may be a rooted stock rom out there that i don't know about that will do the same for you. i've not dug too heavily into the stock rom scene, since i prefer a rom with a lot of features.
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The only thing I would do for now is to S-Off just in case this new update makes it impossible to S-Off after updating the system. As others have said you should wait until after Devs have time to play around with the OTA and incorporate it into ROMs before going ahead and flashing it.
S-off first, then just run the most current official gb ruu and don't unlock it or change recovery until after you have the ota update. I will personally wait for the official ics ruu (probably from football) and then run that and start from scratch.
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so i'm on CleanRom 4.3 standard, unlocked and rooted, s-on, stock firmware.
can you get s-off from here?
this root/unlock buisness is cray maybe I need to give up..
I kinda want to be ready for the ICS OTA but I guess I might as well wait for CleanROM to be updated. But then am I going to need s-off at all ever?
what do
Since you didn't do the Leak, You don't need S-OFF. if you don't want it.
Just wait until the Dev releases it and forget about the OTA.
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I'm on the leak also I'm hopping it isn't like the the Eris or Incredible leak, which ever it was. To many phone's to keep track of Lol.
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Just curious, if I'm s-off and can/have flashed new radio and kernel is there still any reason to install the latest and greatest ruu? Are there any other benefits? Maybe I'm missing something but the latest roms from our awesome devs are being rebased on the latest leaks...I just don't see why flashing a ruu is needed. If I'm wrong or missing something please let me know. Thanks in advance.
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Nah its has the same fw as last one just few bug fixed in software level
I'm not saying specifically the last one, I mean in general as new ruus come out. If vzw doesn't eol us that is. Thanks though.
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in term of battery life i would stick to gb fw
but u can ics with patch and still got nice battery life
I've been rooted day one and s-off from the first day it was available and running cleanrom ics. GB sucked with sense for the half a day I used it. This was just an overall general question of "what's the point" and i'm sure others had similar thoughts. I'd hate for anyone to run a ruu for no reason just to have to re-setup their "got it the way I want it" rom of choice.
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If you're flashing the radio and perhaps hboot updates every time, probably not. I guess the good thing about the RUU is that you flash everything together in a package that is known with some certainty by the manufacturer to all play nice. You can always nandroid your custom ROM back on afterwards.
That said...I independently flashed hboot once or twice, and radio several times, on my old Incredible without incident. I've only done the RUU, and only one time, on the Rez.
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If you're flashing the radio and perhaps hboot updates every time, probably not. I guess the good thing about the RUU is that you flash everything together in a package that is known with some certainty by the manufacturer to all play nice. You can always nandroid your custom ROM back on afterwards.
That said...I independently flashed hboot once or twice, and radio several times, on my old Incredible without incident. I've only done the RUU, and only one time, on the Rez.
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Yeah I've update the hboot with latest jb and flashed the latest radio and kernel, no issues thus far and all is well...so I conclude ruus are a waste unless that's what you want to roll with is stock
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With all of the recent excitement over the awesome new roms coming to the rezound I was looking to get back into the game after not really messing with my device since unlocking, rooting and installing cleanrom 4.3. I've been looking through the forums and feel a little behind because I missed out on all off the s-off madness. I wasn't sure if my best route to get in on the new roms is to s-off from my current state or if I need to try and get back to stock first!! Here's my current state and my hboot is 2.10, any help would be hugely appreciated!!
S-off would definitely save you a lot of headache with boot images. You will need to relock bootloader to ruu, But when you s-off, it will lock it for you so you can update firmware easily afterwards.
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yeah I figured s-off would be the best method. When I s-off they have me select my version should i be using the "early ICS release" option? Also, should I be concerned with my HBOOT version or is that not a concern, I just wanted to make sure I do s-off correctly? Thanks for your quick response!!
You should just be able to select your firmware version. I nandroided back to the bone stock gb Rom from the box that I htcdev unlocked with and it worked flawlessly. Are you still on gb firmware and running the old firmware patch?
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Long story short… I have been very busy for the last 6 months and not been keeping up with all the changes for the CDMA EVO 3D. I am not really sure the best way to get from here to there. I am not a noob and don’t really need my hand held or a dummy’s guide (I have been messing with Android since the HTC Hero and rooted lots of phones and pads). There has been just to many new ways to root and leaked roms…etc. It would be nice to skip all the BS and get caught up with what most people are currently doing.
My current config…
H-Boot: 1.40 s-off via Revolutionary Method
Recovery: TWRP v2.1.1
Rom: ViperRom Redline v2.5 RC2
Would it be better to just RUU back to stock Gingerbread then upgrade to ICS and re-root or is better way to get to ICS with root???? I am not trying save anything on my phone. I am a big fan of wiping and super wiping multiple times before loading a new rom. Also is there any benefit to H-Boot 1.5 or higher?
If this has already be asked can you point me to the correct thread.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Shark_HTC said:
Long story short… I have been very busy for the last 6 months and not been keeping up with all the changes for the CDMA EVO 3D. I am not really sure the best way to get from here to there. I am not a noob and don’t really need my hand held or a dummy’s guide (I have been messing with Android since the HTC Hero and rooted lots of phones and pads). There has been just to many new ways to root and leaked roms…etc. It would be nice to skip all the BS and get caught up with what most people are currently doing.
My current config…
H-Boot: 1.40 s-off via Revolutionary Method
Recovery: TWRP v2.1.1
Rom: ViperRom Redline v2.5 RC2
Would it be better to just RUU back to stock Gingerbread then upgrade to ICS and re-root or is better way to get to ICS with root???? I am not trying save anything on my phone. I am a big fan of wiping and super wiping multiple times before loading a new rom. Also is there any benefit to H-Boot 1.5 or higher?
If this has already be asked can you point me to the correct thread.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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If I'm reading right, just search the development forums for an ics rom, flash it and you're good to go. NEVER TAKE OTA
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Tl;dr.
Just kidding. I'm running the latest ics rooted Roms on hboot 1.4 revolutionary s-off. I ran freeza's firmware update without the new hboot. This lets me run everything except the new kernel (which most new Roms don't use). If you insist on the new kernel, you can upgrade the hboot too, but you lose the ability to flash aosp and GB Roms.
So, in short, you just need to pick a rooted ics Rom and go. I like zr3dx, Meanrom, homebrew, or common ground.
I also recommend you change to 4ext recovery. It's really nice.
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coal686 said:
Tl;dr.
Just kidding. I'm running the latest ics rooted Roms on hboot 1.4 revolutionary s-off. I ran freeza's firmware update without the new hboot. This lets me run everything except the new kernel (which most new Roms don't use). If you insist on the new kernel, you can upgrade the hboot too, but you lose the ability to flash aosp and GB Roms.
So, in short, you just need to pick a rooted ics Rom and go. I like zr3dx, Meanrom, homebrew, or common ground.
I also recommend you change to 4ext recovery. It's really nice.
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Thanks that was exactly what I needed and I was getting tired of reading all the posts about the VM fiasco, and sticking a wire in the SD card…etc.
You are right it was “Tl;dr” but I also hate threads that go on forever because you don’t have enough info to answer the question.
Thanks again
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Thanks that was exactly what I needed and I was getting tired of reading all the posts about the VM fiasco, and sticking a wire in the SD card…etc.
You are right it was “Tl;dr” but I also hate threads that go on forever because you don’t have enough info to answer the question.
Thanks again
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More information > less information :thumbup:
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after downgrading from ICS to GB, my free ram become low from free 380mb on ICS to 222 on GB
I'm just wondering if this will be the best method and save me from having to fastboot flash kernels to use newest roms based on 2.13 I'm currently hboot1.15 with 1.22 firmware.
Thanks in advance. Ps not a noob so not afraid to "go deep" with my phone
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Some people are holding out for a possible s-off, this will allow for firmware updates and the like while maintaining full write access to NAND. If this isn't a concern you can go ahead and update. The newest base doesn't really add much that isn't already in custom roms, it does cause some instability with a few roms that haven't updated their base. HBOOT 1.15+ requires you to fastboot kernel regardless. Some people have reported worse performance after OTA
Ok cool. So no big benifit of updating? I'm thinking of running latest Mean but honestly never fastboot flashed kernels b4. This is the first device I've got locked into a wack hboot that doesn't allow s-off.
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You should read my guide, it has a lot of really helpful info. It will help answer a lot of questions and get you going faster. But in response to your question, you can run any rom/kernel provided its the same base. You can not however, flash firmware updates to your device without taking OTA
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You should read my guide, it has a lot of really helpful info. It will help answer a lot of questions and get you going faster. But in response to your question, you can run any rom/kernel provided its the same base. You can not however, flash firmware updates to your device without taking OTA
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Great guide, reading now thx
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Thankyou, I've been pushing it harder then a politician with an agenda
I would highly recommend spending 0.99 to purchase Flash Image Gui. It makes it really easy for S-On to flash the kernel form the ROM zip, and then reboot to recovery and flash the full ROM. And no PC required to use the fastboot/ADB method.
You should take the update, those that don't will have problems, the new OTA includes a major upgrade to the radios. Those that have not taken the update and just use the new kernel with the new base software are having all kinds of problems with wifi, bluetooth, and holding their lte connections. All of these items were fixed in the new radio.
Now, the s-off argument, it is a fantasy! If you didn't s-off with the original bootloader 1.12 than you might as well upgrade to the full firmware of the new ota. You maybe waiting so long for a 1.15 s-off solution that your phone will have already been replaced with the next great phone that is released. Why handicap your phone with old firmware and radios when if you take the update now, you can still unlock your bootloader, flash twrp, and enjoy any of the custom rooted roms that are rocking the new base. Sense 4.1 and ICS 4.04 are worth the upgrade.
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You should take the update, those that don't will have problems, the new OTA includes a major upgrade to the radios. Those that have not taken the update and just use the new kernel with the new base software are having all kinds of problems with wifi, bluetooth, and holding their lte connections. All of these items were fixed in the new radio.
Now, the s-off argument, it is a fantasy! If you didn't s-off with the original bootloader 1.12 than you might as well upgrade to the full firmware of the new ota. You maybe waiting so long for a 1.15 s-off solution that your phone will have already been replaced with the next great phone that is released. Why handicap your phone with old firmware and radios when if you take the update now, you can still unlock your bootloader, flash twrp, and enjoy any of the custom rooted roms that are rocking the new base. Sense 4.1 and ICS 4.04 are worth the upgrade.
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You may or may not be right about the 1.15 s-off being a pipe dream, but I for one am having ZERO issues with the old firmware and the newest MeanROM. Wifi works fine, bluetooth works fine. No LTE here yet, so I don't know if that will be an issue. Until I see a problem that requires new firmware or a new radio, I'm sitting tight and keeping my fingers crossed.
Hey it may be a dream and a solution may not be found until the next latest and greatest but on custom firmware I can keep my fairly beastly phone running just as good if not better then a stock latest and greatest 2 years from now. I have no problems with 1.15 and there's no lte here yet. My WiFi works wonderfully and kushdeck is killing it with CM10. I'd just as soon wait
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You should take the update, those that don't will have problems, the new OTA includes a major upgrade to the radios. Those that have not taken the update and just use the new kernel with the new base software are having all kinds of problems with wifi, bluetooth, and holding their lte connections. All of these items were fixed in the new radio.
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I can say from my personal experience that this comment is absolutely false. I am sure that the new radios in the latest firmware are an improvement. However, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I am HBOOT 1.15, S-On, running MeanROM 3.9 with latest kernel flashed via Flash Image Gui. I live and work in a well covered LTE area. I am having none of the problems that you mention. LTE speeds of ~25Mb down, 18 Mb up. Wifi is working great at home, work, or the coffee shop. Bluetooth sounds just a clear as it always has.
So, it is very functional as-is. I am sure there may be improvements in the latest firmware, but to say you absolutely will have problems is just a lie. My LTEvo is running smooth like butter and fast as a rocket.
Not to mention the fact that some ROMs are on the old base and have issues with the new base, there was quite a few threads here and in other forums about people wanting to jump back to an older base
Well, if you want to keep running old firmware, that's your option. Thankfully I am s-off and rocking MeanRom 3.9 with the latest firmware and very happy. The op asked a question and got a lot of one sided answers from the "wait for s-off crowd" and I wanted to chime in. I have seen a lot of posts in the MeanRom thread and others that they have wifi and bluetooth problems and the common denominator is running the old firmware with the new kernel and base. Also seen hundreds of posts by people in LTE fringe areas unable to hold their LTE without it constantly switching back to 3g which is one of the fixes with the new radios. And to the old base custom roms not working well with the new firmware that is false, the new radios work fine with those old out of date custom roms. Step into the future and enjoy a fast trouble free phone.
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All true but I have seen plenty of people brick trying to jump back to earlier firmware
Thanks for all the comments. Currently I am rooted using HTC dev method. I have newest twrp recovery by using goo manager to overwrite the old twrp version that I had after using an older manual method to root.
I am running MeanRom 3.9 now. Found flash IMG app on play store pretty quick and its easy to use. Basically my phone is almost back to fully customized. I asked the question right when I got my replacement yesterday. Although I would like the benifits of the update, I'm kinda with the if it ain't broke don't fix it crowd. I'm not a fan of using adb to root but it def wasn't difficult at all. I'm just worried now that at this point to go back, ruu, update and such could be more harm then good at this point. Am I right?
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There's really not much harm, the biggest problem updating had been ROM compatibility and most developers are on the new base or are currently in the middle moving over. Those of us sticking with 1.15 are hopelessly awaiting an soff exploit that nay or may not come
Glad to see you're on MeanRom. Mikey is a great dev and fast with the updates. Since he is currently updating all of his tweaks to the new base, expect an update almost every day. The great thing about MeanRom is you don't have to wipe data between installs. And since you're already on the new kernel, when you update you won't have to flash it again, just the rom. Mikey now uses the ota updater app so you can use it to download the new rom each time and perform the install.
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