ROM Recommendations - TouchPad General

Hi guys
I'm getting a Touchpad tomorrow and have been looking around the ROM forum but unable to tell which is the best to install.
I've been flashing rom's for sometime onto my HTC phone and pretty comfortable with Clockwork Recovery. Is there a "How To" guide or do I need to go down the CM route?
Looking forward to seeing Android on this tablet and any help/advice to a newcomer would be appreciated.
Cheers!

de-v8 said:
Hi guys
I'm getting a Touchpad tomorrow and have been looking around the ROM forum but unable to tell which is the best to install.
I've been flashing rom's for sometime onto my HTC phone and pretty comfortable with Clockwork Recovery. Is there a "How To" guide or do I need to go down the CM route?
Looking forward to seeing Android on this tablet and any help/advice to a newcomer would be appreciated.
Cheers!
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There are some simple and well put togher guides in the dev section.
You need to install moboot, cwm & rom via acmeinstaller the first time you install android on these devices. Once you have moboot and cwm, you can play with other roms as easy as your HTC phones.
A lot of the guys and gals here have put some real nice guides and tweaks to make these tabs fun to play with.
I personally use the CM9... I have not jumped into the nightlies though. Mostly happy with the performance with the CM9 V2. I do however regularly check the nightly threads to see if it's worth updating.
Most of the other roms (I really have not played with many) share similar issues with CM9 builds (sporadic wifi, camera, etc) so I just stayed with the CM9 and have been happy doing so.
Good luck and have fun.

Hey welcome to the touchpad comunity!
You can start by following this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1452625
Once you're done sweting up CWM and Moboot
I suggest trying one of these three roms : (these are the best roms)
-Official CM9 Nightlies http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1452625
-Unofficial AOKP Nightlies http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1452625
-ClassicNerd ICS Butta HD http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1472892
I suggest that you use Nightlies because they contain a lot of fixes plus new settings...
DON'T FORGET TO FLASH GAPPS
Once you flashed the rom of your choice
Get GooManager from play store https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.s0up.goomanager&hl=en
GooManafer is used to update ur roms OTA
If u wish to boost performance and/or play gameloft games Flash this zip http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1519161
Regards, Ted
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Thanks for the replies!
Are you able to watch video with these ROMs? I've seen conflicting reports.
Getting excited now!
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Yup all roms have hardware acceleration working everything is pretty amazing except for cam and mic and some unlucky people have wifi bug i never experienced it

Right, success!
I'm got CM Alpha 2 installed. About to try and install GAPPS.
Why does my device come up with driver installation failure when plugging usb into laptop?

de-v8 said:
Right, success!
I'm got CM Alpha 2 installed. About to try and install GAPPS.
Why does my device come up with driver installation failure when plugging usb into laptop?
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Even after being spoon fed the links you still went with one of the old out of date buggy ROMs... Yeah shows how much reading you really did beforehand
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cdzo72 said:
Even after being spoon fed the links you still went with one of the old out of date buggy ROMs... Yeah shows how much reading you really did beforehand
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Seriously, is there any need to be sarcastic?
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Please overwrite the CM9A2 with the latest CM9 Nightly via ClockwordMod 'Install Update from ZIP'.
You'll thank me after.

BuffMcBigHuge said:
Please overwrite the CM9A2 with the latest CM9 Nightly via ClockwordMod 'Install Update from ZIP'.
You'll thank me after.
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Done! Thanks for that.
Are the update incremental or will I need to back/up restore settings etc?

I am using AOKP on my TouchPad and it's stable and works well.

de-v8 said:
Done! Thanks for that.
Are the update incremental or will I need to back/up restore settings etc?
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lots of tutorials/guides already explains this..
anyways, all you need is to wipe cache and dalvik when you are going through the nightlies..

I just flashed my Touchpad after many months of idleness. The first ROM I flashed turned out to be great. No force closes or lag the few days I've been using it. I highly recommend it. Very simple flashing. It's an ICS ROM too!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1472892
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[Q] Stock TP - What are my options for ICS

Have a stock HP Touchpad with no Android on it. I am a late entry to this mod stuff i know.. Would like to know what are my options when coming to installing ICS ROM's. I have seen posts that these builds are still at an early stage so what would guru's who have experienced those ROM's suggest. Wait for a more stable build or install it and then keep upgrading as more info becomes avail.
I personally want to get ICS asap even if some features don't work.
Can anyone link me to steps to install ICS version of classicnerd on a stock TP, would like to start off with that as i have heard some great reviews.
Any help/suggestions are appreciated !
TIA
Don't know if I should post this but here http://classicnerd.net/
Click on ics betas
Can i get some instructions to install ICS on a stock TP for classic nerd ICS, the ones in there talk about android already on it. Just dont want to to screw up my TP doing this.
Thanks.
ncube2 said:
Can i get some instructions to install ICS on a stock TP for classic nerd ICS, the ones in there talk about android already on it. Just dont want to to screw up my TP doing this.
Thanks.
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Good lord, dont bother with the "classic nerd" suggestion above.
I will direct you to what you need.
Here's the release thread for the latest version of CM9 (they are the furthest in development at the moment, I'd stick with them for now)
rootzwiki. com/topic/15509-releasealpha05-cyanogenmod-9-touchpad/
I cant post links so take the space out of that to get the correct url.
Installation instructions:
1. While in WebOS, connect your touchpad to your pc/mac. Click to mount USB.
2. On the Touchpad, create a folder called "cminstall". In that folder, put the update-cm..... file from that thread, moboot, CWM, and Gapps (all from that thread)
3. Download ACMEinstaller2 and place it in the file where your novacom is. I usually install novacom on my pc in a specific android folder so I always know where to find it, others can find it in the default "palm" folder.
4. Restart touchpad holding up on the volume button.
5. One the arrow comes up, connect the touchpad to the pc again and open cmd or terminal (if on a mac) and navigate to the folder where you have placed acmeinstaller 2 and the novacom driver. if you need to change directory, type "cd:" followed by the folder location.
6. Enter the "novacom boot mem:// < ACMEInstaller2" command
7. Done.
There are more detailed instructions on the rootzwiki forum I linked you to. Best of luck.
Here's a video tutorial.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1452563
SilentAce07 said:
Good lord, dont bother with the "classic nerd" suggestion above]
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LOL HATERS GON' HATE
The cm9 rom fc's constantly
Besides he asked for the link to classic nerd so I provided
Both CM9 and Classicnerd are good options. I would not say one is ahead of the other at the moment, more that each has it's strong and weak points.
For Classicnerd check this link for both instructions and the rom
http://www.classicnerd.net/betas/
the install guide in there is for Android already installed i assume, what additional steps if any do i have to do to install on a stock TP. Can anyone put some steps for me to follow or a link.
TIA - Will check both ICS threads and tks evryone for helping a brotha out.
ncube2 said:
the install guide in there is for Android already installed i assume, what additional steps if any do i have to do to install on a stock TP. Can anyone put some steps for me to follow or a link.
TIA - Will check both ICS threads and tks evryone for helping a brotha out.
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I have used cm9 and classic nerd.. which I'm running right now, personally classicnerd is more stable for me.
Anyway, the install instructions above are the same when installing any version of android, just put the zip file for the rom you want into the cminstall folder, once you have CWM you can flash between roms easily.
ncube2 said:
the install guide in there is for Android already installed i assume, what additional steps if any do i have to do to install on a stock TP. Can anyone put some steps for me to follow or a link.
TIA - Will check both ICS threads and tks evryone for helping a brotha out.
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There's a guide on installing cm7 on the touch pad in the general section do that first then u can install ics
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staymunch said:
There's a guide on installing cm7 on the touch pad in the general section do that first then u can install ics
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You don't need cm7 installed first...
OP, follow this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1305891 the parts where it mentions cm7, just replace with cm9. Also, you'll need to use acmeinstaller2 instead of the one linked in that thread. You can get it here http://rootzwiki.com/topic/15509-releasealpha05-cyanogenmod-9-touchpad/
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ncube2 said:
the install guide in there is for Android already installed i assume, what additional steps if any do i have to do to install on a stock TP. Can anyone put some steps for me to follow or a link.
TIA - Will check both ICS threads and tks evryone for helping a brotha out.
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The guide in that directory, linked below, is from stock WebOS to ICS
http://www.classicnerd.net/betas/classicnerd_classic-va0.0.1(install_guide).docx
It has you install moboot and ClockworkMod via ACMEInstaller. After that it has you load the rom via ClockworkMod.
You will find that there are several similar ways to get Android on your device. CM9 wants you to use ACMEInstaller2 while Classicnerd has you get ClockworkMod on, then install the ROM from that point. While you can use ether it is usually best to stick with the instructions for the distro you wan to run, at least until you are more familiar with the install methods.
At the end of the day you will end up installing 3 distinct items
Moboot - The menu at the very beginning after the HP logo.
ClockworkMod - The Android based recovery.
Android - Your ROM of choice. Don't be afraid to try different once here, as long as you recognize they are early builds and use at your own risk. The Touchpad is a great device to experiment with and you will have WebOS to fall back to should anything go wrong.
Awesome.. thanks to evryone and calash for giving the detailed explanation. Will try the ICS ROM's. Will be back for more help.. LOL
Thanks Again
Good luck bro, happy flashing!
Sorry cant post this in the right thread but maybe someone can help me out here. I had the ICS Classic-va0.0.2 version working flawlessly with wifi n everything. I saw there was an SE edition update to classicnerd so i wiped my cache/dalivk/data and then went about and flashing the new zip. Now my wifi has auth probs right from startup.. Not sure whats messing this up it was working like a charm on the last release. Any help guys.. i have put the wifi to sleep as never under settings.. still nothing helps.
ncube2 said:
Sorry cant post this in the right thread but maybe someone can help me out here. I had the ICS Classic-va0.0.2 version working flawlessly with wifi n everything. I saw there was an SE edition update to classicnerd so i wiped my cache/dalivk/data and then went about and flashing the new zip. Now my wifi has auth probs right from startup.. Not sure whats messing this up it was working like a charm on the last release. Any help guys.. i have put the wifi to sleep as never under settings.. still nothing helps.
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Wifi has generally been flakey and capricious on all versions of Android ROMs for the Touchpad so far. It works for some people and doesn't for others. Sometimes one version won't have the issues and another will etc.
If you search around there are a lot of so-called 'fixes' such as changing the wifi channel on your router etc that some people claim work and others say didn't help them. I don't recall ever reading that the definitive cause of all the wifi problems has been discovered at this point.
If you try simple things like turning the wifi off and then back on again, booting into WebOS and back into Android, changing the wifi channel on the router etc and none of that works then I would say if you find a ROM where it works for you then just stick with that one for now.
Ok am back with another qn for the Guru's
I see ClassicNerd has their official ROM now, so i want to try that out. Before i do i would like to save my app's that i have on my SE version, so that i dont have to install each of them manually again on the new ROM. I saw some posts about using Titanium Backup _ Can someone post some steps on what i should do with it to save my app's and get them back once i install the new ROM. If there is any other app or a procedure that can make this easier please chime in.
TIA
Go here and watch the rev's videos, takes all the guess work out of it he even provides all the links to the downloads you need.
http://www.youtube.com/user/reverendkjr/featured
They have not yet posted an "official" rom. It is still in pre-release or beta stage. That said, I'm running Classicnerd Butta 0.1.0V2 Odex and find it very stable. Not everything works yet though. Read the first part of the thread for known issues.
I have installed cm9 ics alpha 0.6 but tried cherrykang and so far I have been very happy. No fcs and it has overclock to 1.5 included. I bought spb shell 3d and it runs really smooth. I'm watching classic nerd to see how that plays out.
I have flashed many roms on my Droid X and Samsung galaxy tab 7 and now on my TP. One thing is a lot of developers working solo get burned out by people wanting updates almost daily. Classic nerd seems to have a team that hopefully can share that load.....the good, the bad and the ugly.
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I can vouch for kang 0.4.8a. This is the only Touchpad ics with a wifi fix in it afaik.
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Need some guidance...

Currently running CM9 on my Photon, would like to go back to stock, have searched and havent really found to much.
Is there a guide for the simple minded among us (namely me) to go back to stock???
I have a feeling it's really simple and I am gonna feel silly for asking....heh
Boot into recovery,
hard reset X3
Reboot into rsd mode
Sbf back to stock
(you will have t to re root and unlock if you choose to after)
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Cm9 isn't as cracked up as they making out to be?
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It was pretty nice, but not all it's cracked up to be. A few things didnt work.
But the most annoying thing was it didnt seem to know it was on Sprint network.
It was nice, and I dont wanna crap on the hard work put into it..
It's acting kind of flakey, I wonder if re-flashing it would help, I might try that first then maybe go back to stock.....
Ive had very few issues with CM9 and ive followed it from the beginning Alpha stages.. Try a different version if you have issues. To each his own for sure some people will like others won't. I personally cant be taken away from it. Ive had VERY few network issues where it wouldn't connect and the not working items list gets smaller each day, its basically down to video camera in stock app and few other minor things. As for going back to stock if you need super detail check out QBKing77 on youtube, he has a video of exactly what to do.
I am currently running beta-0.1.0-2d-cm-9.0.0-RC0-Sunfire-KANG-signed, maybe I should just upgrade to beta-0.5.0-cm-9.0.0-RC0-sunfire-UNOFFICIAL-signed. If I do that, I pretty much follow the directions I did to flash the original correct??
Basically from about 3 minutes in on QB's tut video??
Cant post the link, but this one:
How to Install the Beta CyanogenMod 9 ICS Rom on the Motorola:
H0a3rySyJZA
Slagathor01 said:
I am currently running beta-0.1.0-2d-cm-9.0.0-RC0-Sunfire-KANG-signed, maybe I should just upgrade to beta-0.5.0-cm-9.0.0-RC0-sunfire-UNOFFICIAL-signed. If I do that, I pretty much follow the directions I did to flash the original correct??
Basically from about 3 minutes in on QB's tut video??
Cant post the link, but this one:
How to Install the Beta CyanogenMod 9 ICS Rom on the Motorola:
H0a3rySyJZA
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When coming from previous cm9 build just wipe system in mounts and storage and flash thr newer build onto it via clockworkmod recovery.
Sent not from your device!
I will give that a try, I tried 3 or 4 times yesterday but it would get stuck on the M duel core screen.
Restored the back up I had and it was ok then.
EDIT:
No love yet again, I am using CWM 5.0.2.7.
It stops at the M duel core tech screen and just sits there.
Did you flash twice? If you don't, it bootloops.
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ryan8r said:
When coming from previous cm9 build just wipe system in mounts and storage and flash thr newer build onto it via clockworkmod recovery.
Sent not from your device!
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Do not wipe system when coming from a previous build. Wipe caches and fix permissions after you flash twice.
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ICS Rom
The way i got that rom to work on my photon was to run the original rom, then go back and flash the most recent version, that worked perfectly for me!
I will give that a whirl after after work, thanks....
Finally, got it going, further reading figured out to flash the rom twice in a row, currently running 0.5.0, had to flash the CDMA fix to get the signal, running great, much smoother then the 0.1.0......
Thanks for all the help guys.....
braindeadracefan said:
Did you flash twice? If you don't, it bootloops.
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I realise now what you meant by flash twice......

Newb ROM question

Somewhat of an Amaze newbie here, but so far the community and information here have been incredibly helpful, so I'm hoping someone can help with my next question.
I've been thinking about popping my ROM cherry and installing one of the custom ROMs here - more specifically the Energy and/or SpeedROM. I have the latest files for both, am rooted, currently using 4ext Recovery, with S-On. I've already performed a Nandroid and full backup with Titanium Backup, and from what I can tell should be ready to take the plunge. I just wanted to make sure that there isn't anything I'm forgetting or need to know before I take the custom route.
Thanks again for all the hard work and assistance!
toastie2035 said:
Somewhat of an Amaze newbie here, but so far the community and information here have been incredibly helpful, so I'm hoping someone can help with my next question.
I've been thinking about popping my ROM cherry and installing one of the custom ROMs here - more specifically the Energy and/or SpeedROM. I have the latest files for both, am rooted, currently using 4ext Recovery, with S-On. I've already performed a Nandroid and full backup with Titanium Backup, and from what I can tell should be ready to take the plunge. I just wanted to make sure that there isn't anything I'm forgetting or need to know before I take the custom route.
Thanks again for all the hard work and assistance!
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Always wipe before install, but you're good.
Lol at popping rom cherry, have fun.
Just make sure your already on the ICS OTA update before installing custom roms. The OTA update updates the radios and some other system partitions that need to be updated prior to ics being installed. Best of luck with everything. I'm on NRG but Speed Rom is about to be I installed soonish.
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PeterC18st said:
Just make sure your already on the ICS OTA update before installing custom roms. The OTA update updates the radios and some other system partitions that need to be updated prior to ics being installed. Best of luck with everything. I'm on NRG but Speed Rom is about to be I installed soonish.
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Cool, I think I have that part covered as I'm currently running ICS 4.0.3, so hopefully that won't prove to be an issue.
One other quick question: Will this affect the Google Play Store? As in, since I would be running an unofficial ROM, would I be unable to connect to the store to download/update apps?
toastie2035 said:
Cool, I think I have that part covered as I'm currently running ICS 4.0.3, so hopefully that won't prove to be an issue.
One other quick question: Will this affect the Google Play Store? As in, since I would be running an unofficial ROM, would I be unable to connect to the store to download/update apps?
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You will still be able to connect to the Play Store.
For some rom, you have to add the APN for data to work.
Since your new at thus don't go with any alpha betas or release clients make sure to go with something pretty stable til u get the hang of this dont wanna brick your phone and not know how to fix it :-\ I bricked my phone like 10 times with some of these roms pretty scary lol. Speed rom 7 is pretty good . If you have any more questions or anything feel free to post or pm me. Good luck
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CM10 ** Stable Version ** Keyboard Errors ** Nightlies ** SD Card Issues???

So I finally made the jump and got S-Off using the Moonshine method (Love that sh** BTW) and I flashed CM10 Stable from the Cyanogen website directly. The first error I got was the keyboard would not come up and I was unable to even do anything. I tried using a different keyboard under setting and wouldn't even let me change it.
Next I flashed the latest Nightly thinking this would maybe be more stable and that one gave me the "no SD card error" so I can't use the camera whatsoever.
My question is what version of CM10 fixes both of these issues, or at least somewhat fixes them? I having been flashing for several years so I am used to things being broken in CM10, but these two things are very crucial. Is there a CM10 ROM or variant that works stable enough for daily use? I know there is a flashable zip file fix for the SD card issue, but I really wanted to use the stable version, but the keyboard issue really kills that idea. Am I doing something wrong when flashing the stable version?
Any help would be appreciated. I have no problem using a custom AOSP CM10 based wrong, but there are so many I don't know what to choose?
Thank all.
SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
So I finally made the jump and got S-Off using the Moonshine method (Love that sh** BTW) and I flashed CM10 Stable from the Cyanogen website directly. The first error I got was the keyboard would not come up and I was unable to even do anything. I tried using a different keyboard under setting and wouldn't even let me change it.
Next I flashed the latest Nightly thinking this would maybe be more stable and that one gave me the "no SD card error" so I can't use the camera whatsoever.
My question is what version of CM10 fixes both of these issues, or at least somewhat fixes them? I having been flashing for several years so I am used to things being broken in CM10, but these two things are very crucial. Is there a CM10 ROM or variant that works stable enough for daily use? I know there is a flashable zip file fix for the SD card issue, but I really wanted to use the stable version, but the keyboard issue really kills that idea. Am I doing something wrong when flashing the stable version?
Any help would be appreciated. I have no problem using a custom AOSP CM10 based wrong, but there are so many I don't know what to choose?
Thank all.
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You need to get on IIRC... channel: #htc-evo-4g-lte
get the latest unofficial version from there, read the OP in the Original Development Thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2110920
Instructions in the first page...
jocarog said:
You need to get on IIRC... channel: #htc-evo-4g-lte
get the latest unofficial version from there, read the OP in the Original Development Thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2110920
Instructions in the first page...
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I think I am digging the Carbon ROM for now, everything's working great. I will for sure check out your suggestion too. Thank you very much!
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SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
So I finally made the jump and got S-Off using the Moonshine method (Love that sh** BTW) and I flashed CM10 Stable from the Cyanogen website directly. The first error I got was the keyboard would not come up and I was unable to even do anything. I tried using a different keyboard under setting and wouldn't even let me change it.
Next I flashed the latest Nightly thinking this would maybe be more stable and that one gave me the "no SD card error" so I can't use the camera whatsoever.
My question is what version of CM10 fixes both of these issues, or at least somewhat fixes them? I having been flashing for several years so I am used to things being broken in CM10, but these two things are very crucial. Is there a CM10 ROM or variant that works stable enough for daily use? I know there is a flashable zip file fix for the SD card issue, but I really wanted to use the stable version, but the keyboard issue really kills that idea. Am I doing something wrong when flashing the stable version?
Any help would be appreciated. I have no problem using a custom AOSP CM10 based wrong, but there are so many I don't know what to choose?
Thank all.
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Please close this thread, all good.
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SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
Please close this thread, all good.
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wait, what was wrong, im having the same issue and ive flashed cm10 a hundred times now without this issue before.

[Q] android process a core has stopped- pac man nightlies

I have ported a few different custom rom's to my Verizon s4. I had not had any issues thus far. I decided to try an original android development rom and decided to go with the pac man rom. It seemed, and still does seem like a no brainer being it has the best from roms by top developers. I had been using hyperdrive for the past month or so, and I originally tried to move right to the latest nightlie ( 8/16). I use twrp and as soon as I booted the keyboard would not work for me to set up my phone. I went back into the pac thread and ended up flashing the 7/30 milestone release. It works great, however I would really like to run a 4.3 rom, and I would love for it to be pac man rom. I have tried updating using the exact directions to a t and once my phone updates every time I try and do anything my phone says android process a core has stopped. Also , whenever I click on my phone , contacts, or any other basic phone function it says app not installed. I am a newb, I have only been flashing for about four months. I have a galaxy nexus as well that I play with. I have not ran into an issue I have not been able to resolve using discussions or questions already posted on xda. I am coming up with nothing this time however. This is my first post and my first request for assistance. I hope my post is not to long. I would greatly appreciate any help offered.
Flashed the right gapps?
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yep.....
dadsterflip said:
Flashed the right gapps?
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I think I did, there was a link directly under the link for the ROM in the download box of the PAC man ROM page on this site. Those are the gapps I flashed. Goo manager keeps saying there is a gapps update for me though.

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