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I havent gotten a new phone since 09 Hero.....whats the deal with battery charging. Do I need to fully charge the phone before using it? Do you drain the battery fully before re-charging it?
what give the battery the best life possible?
Never, ever, never, ever, never, never, ever drain a lithium based battery to nothing. Very, very bad. Charge it and keep it above 50% for the firstweek.
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overclockxp said:
Never, ever, never, ever, never, never, ever drain a lithium based battery to nothing. Very, very bad. Charge it and keep it above 50% for the firstweek.
Swyped from my Atari 2600
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Thank you. That is the type of advice I need.
kinextions said:
I havent gotten a new phone since 09 Hero.....whats the deal with battery charging. Do I need to fully charge the phone before using it? Do you drain the battery fully before re-charging it?
what give the battery the best life possible?
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Even your Hero should be the same. Most modern cell phones use Lithium Ion which do not have memory effect.
There is no memory for Li-ion batteries so go ahead and just use your phone. You do not have to keep it above or below a certain charge. The phone will not allow the battery to drain to completion so you do not have to worry about that. It is very bad to let a Li-ion battery completely drain but there are fail safe measures implemented in the phone/battery to prevent that. 0% charge on your phone does not mean 0% battery, its just the mA at which your phone thinks the battery has 0% battery remaining.
I wonder if there's going to be a similar procedure to the OG EVO's plug, unplug, turn off, charge, unplug, turn on, turn off, charge method (or whatever it was) to maximize battery life.
mevensen said:
I wonder if there's going to be a similar procedure to the OG EVO's plug, unplug, turn off, charge, unplug, turn on, turn off, charge method (or whatever it was) to maximize battery life.
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Bump charging works for lots of phones to my understanding. Something about how the phone at first doesn't charge to 100% - when it gets to a certain point it just keeps it maintained at that level .
While it is true that lithium ion batteries don’t suffer from “memory” problems such as NiCad batteries they do have a lifespan. For example, the lithium battery in the laptop that I am using right now, and have used for the past year, currently has a 98% charge and is not charging. That’s much, much better than a NiCad battery would be. I can really see the NiCad issue in my rechargeable cordless tools.
But lithium batteries will eventually die. Just ask the first generation iPud owners. Their batteries were failing just after a year of ownership and Apphole wouldn’t do anything about it. They had reached the end of life of their batteries.
Lithium batteries do take a little bit to break in though. You’ll notice a slight improvement as time goes on for the next month. But I would still refrain from draining the battery too much.
Thanks for the input...I too have the hero, and was curios...
...is it Friday yet?
there was a recent article I seen from a link in the g2x forums where they go to actual experts on the lithium who designed the actual cells and ask them how is best to charge them.
the honest answer is for life being your most concern. that means for the battery to keep a consistent charge over the life of the phone without losing actual daily life on the battery,
you have to plug it in when the phone ask at about 20%. then unplug it when the phone says the battery is full. Do not leave the battery plugged in for hours over full. said something about the charge disburst weird or something
anyway it was a link in the g2x forum in general. im sure you can finds it. Ill look if you really want me to,
Lots of info on Li-ion batteries:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
Being that the Battery stats are stored on the /Data partition, how is this minimum threshold managed?
There seems to be a debate on this topic as to whether you should do a FULL drain on your battery and I wanted to know what people's thoughts were on this in this forum.
I've used my phone twice now to the point where it has auto powered down on it's own. I will then hit the 'Power' button to ensure that battery is truly at 0% (the capacitative buttons blink for a second to confirm that I've hit the power button but there is no more juice left to turn the phone on).
I will plug into the wall charger and allow it to charge for 4 hours (usually around 4 hours, I'll check back to see and hit the power button and the onscreen battery display will show 100% charged).
I will unplug my phone, power on and keep using until the phone fully drains and powers off on it's own again before repeating this cycle.
However, others have stated that this is NOT necessary for Lithium Ion battery and can actually damage the circuitry of the battery? I've always been under the impression that you need to do a complete & full battery drain for lithium ion batteries at least 3 -5 full cycles/times before the battery has been conditioned/optimized for capacity.
Maybe I'm wrong...after all I'm coming from a G1 and this practice helped my atrocious battery life on that dinosaur!
If this is wrong, when should I be plugging my phone back in to charge? When it gives me the first warning to charge in (battery level turns orange - I assume this about 20% battery left) or on the "critical" battery warning when the battery icon in the notification panel turns red (assuming this is about 10% battery left)?
from what I've read in the past, letting your phone drain completely down until it shuts itself off is not good for the battery. I could be wrong but thats what I've read
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from what I've read in the past, letting your phone drain completely down until it shuts itself off is not good for the battery. I could be wrong but thats what I've read
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Yeah, I've heard both sides and I've conditioned my battery for the G1 because it seemed to drain faster if I plugged it into charge when there was 30% or so still left.
Well, I've done two complete cycles so I guess I'll just try recharging when it hits the red mark next time.
When you plug in to charge? Orange, red or whenever to top off?
i plug my phone in when i go to bed. I dont care what the battery is at. I also charge it while i'm at work so when I leave, its around 90-100%. My battery rarely reaches red.
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i plug my phone in when i go to bed. I dont care what the battery is at. I also charge it while i'm at work so when I leave, its around 90-100%. My battery rarely reaches red.
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LOL - that would prematurely killed my battery capacity on the G1! I went thru two batteries before I started draining all the way down. Made a difference between 4-6 hours and 6-10 hours.
Seems like this phone doesn't need to do that tho.
But what're you getting on average for battery life and display on time then?
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i plug my phone in when i go to bed. I dont care what the battery is at. I also charge it while i'm at work so when I leave, its around 90-100%. My battery rarely reaches red.
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I do the exact same thing. First with my Captivate and now with the SGS2 and the battery life on my captivate held pretty much exactly the same charge for the entire 15 months I used it. The battery on this SGS2 seems to last about 150-175% of the Captivate battery under the same conditions. I just came back from a week on the road where I spent 9-12 hours a day away from a charger and was using my phone constantly all day long and would get back to the hotel room with 30-40% battery left. Considering I was listening to music, playing plants vs zombies and sending and reading push email constantly throughout the day I am very satisfied with the battery life on this phone. I've never done any kind of conditioning or special battery maintenance.
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LOL - that would prematurely killed my battery capacity on the G1! I went thru two batteries before I started draining all the way down. Made a difference between 4-6 hours and 6-10 hours.
Seems like this phone doesn't need to do that tho.
But what're you getting on average for battery life and display on time then?
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i stopped looking at my battery stats a long time ago. I'll peak in there once in a while but I dont really care what the stats show because I'm always around a charger. As long as I get through 12 hours or so without charging, i'm happy.
Some devices need a full drain cycle to properly calibrate the fuel gauge - ours does NOT.
Lithium ion batteries don't like deep discharging - in fact discharging them too much will permanently damage them (fortunately, all batteries sold to end users have built-in protection chips to prevent overdischarge - but do you REALLY want to rely on that chip?)
Similarly, they don't like charge being forced into them - so don't "bump charge". (Bump charging is removing and immediately reinserting the charger when the phone says charging is complete.)
For long-term storage, store them at around 50% capacity if not being used. LiIons that are stored at 100% charge lose capacity MUCH faster than ones stored at 50%.
A Li-Ion that has been sitting for a long time (months...) will develop a passivation layer that can be detrimental to performance - a few charge/discharge cycles will fix this. You don't need to do a full discharge/recharge - probably even from 90 to 70 and back up a few times should be fine.
Entropy512 said:
Some devices need a full drain cycle to properly calibrate the fuel gauge - ours does NOT.
Lithium ion batteries don't like deep discharging - in fact discharging them too much will permanently damage them (fortunately, all batteries sold to end users have built-in protection chips to prevent overdischarge - but do you REALLY want to rely on that chip?)
Similarly, they don't like charge being forced into them - so don't "bump charge". (Bump charging is removing and immediately reinserting the charger when the phone says charging is complete.)
For long-term storage, store them at around 50% capacity if not being used. LiIons that are stored at 100% charge lose capacity MUCH faster than ones stored at 50%.
A Li-Ion that has been sitting for a long time (months...) will develop a passivation layer that can be detrimental to performance - a few charge/discharge cycles will fix this. You don't need to do a full discharge/recharge - probably even from 90 to 70 and back up a few times should be fine.
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what about short charging during the course of the day? For instance, while I'm at work, I like to plug it in for a bit and then use it off the charger. Then before I leave, I charge it again for a bit. Do you think thats okay to charge the phone for short ~1 hour bursts?
No, the battery itself doesn't do well with deep discharges, but every device with one has circuitry to manage this and keep it from happening. The phone will shut off before the battery reaches a critically low discharge state. Just as it will cease charging before it blows up. Just because the phone shuts off does not mean that the battery is too low.
Assuming the phone has the proper cutoffs, it's not really any different to do two discharges to 50% or one to 100%. There have been studies that say leaving it on a charger is bad, doing two 50% cycles is worse than one 100%, etc. I've always just trusted that the phone manufacturers design the battery monitor and control circuits correctly and not worry much about it. And I've never had to replace a battery yet and always get acceptable life.
It's lithium ion, not nickel cadmium.
Full drains are bad for lithium ion.
Sent from my SGS II
nyydynasty said:
what about short charging during the course of the day? For instance, while I'm at work, I like to plug it in for a bit and then use it off the charger. Then before I leave, I charge it again for a bit. Do you think thats okay to charge the phone for short ~1 hour bursts?
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That's the best way to charge it.
Sent from my SGS II
MikeyMike01 said:
That's the best way to charge it.
Sent from my SGS II
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that makes me even more glad that its what I've been doing forever - lol
thanks
lithium ion batteries dont like being under 30%. and they also dont do well if they are kept at 80 percent or above all the time. for longest battery life don't just let it sit on the charger all day after it fully charges.
I agree with Mikey here.
Also, batteries take charging current better (less wear) at lower states of charge. That's why I put a variable-current charging algorithm into my Infuse kernels (charginghacks branch on github)
800 mA at low voltages (200 above stock), dropping to 550 near the end (50 below stock).
Unfortunately, charginghacks is likely not going to be possible with our hardware. One of the differences between the I9100 and I777 is a different battery charger circuit - ours is far less flexible.
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I agree with Mikey here.
Also, batteries take charging current better (less wear) at lower states of charge. That's why I put a variable-current charging algorithm into my Infuse kernels (charginghacks branch on github)
800 mA at low voltages (200 above stock), dropping to 550 near the end (50 below stock).
Unfortunately, charginghacks is likely not going to be possible with our hardware. One of the differences between the I9100 and I777 is a different battery charger circuit - ours is far less flexible.
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This phone actually charges with the screen on though, so it's not like the Infuse where the battery would drain with the screen on and the phone charging.
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This phone actually charges with the screen on though, so it's not like the Infuse where the battery would drain with the screen on and the phone charging.
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Infuse would charge with the screen on - but not if the screen was on AND the CPU was cranking.
(worst-case was navigation at full brightness - and I've seen reports that the I9100 also has the same problem.)
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Infuse would charge with the screen on - but not if the screen was on AND the CPU was cranking.
(worst-case was navigation at full brightness - and I've seen reports that the I9100 also has the same problem.)
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When web browsing, playing a game, or other general use late at night I'd plug the Infuse into the charger. It would still drain. Doing the same on the SGS II and it at the very least maintains it's battery level, so it's a drastic improvement over the Infuse.
Hi, I was asking myself if it was possible to copy batterystats.bin from a calibrated x10i to have our own x10i calibrated.
I explain : I see that file like a file with values that have the percentage of the battery with the duration and stuff like that, so copying it to have the right values.
Can work or not ? influenced by kernel or rom ? What do you think ?
Li-Ion batteries just need a good charge for approx 8-12hrs when new and first installed and having this process repeated for at least 4-5 charges.
The phone doesn't allow the battery to over change and cuts out and then starts changing again once the charge drops to a chargeable threshold.
This allows the battery to achieve it's maximum charge.
Li-Ion batteries should never be drained or allowed to run flat and should be charged regularly.
If you completely discharge a lithium-ion battery, it is ruined.
Li-Ion battery life is between 2-3 years.
I would let the battery sort itself out as all the battery status is based on the battery itself.
If the battery is old and on it's last legs, it'll have less charge than a newer battery.
P.S. If you plan to keep and use the XPERIA X10i for some time, it's well worth buying a Mugen Power 1800mAh battery.
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Li-Ion batteries just need a good charge for approx 8-12hrs when new and first installed and having this process repeated for at least 4-5 charges.
The phone doesn't allow the battery to over change and cuts out and then starts changing again once the charge drops to a chargeable threshold.
This allows the battery to achieve it's maximum charge.
Li-Ion batteries should never be drained or allowed to run flat and should be charged regularly.
If you completely discharge a lithium-ion battery, it is ruined.
Li-Ion battery life is between 2-3 years.
I would let the battery sort itself out as all the battery status is based on the battery itself.
If the battery is old and on it's last legs, it'll have less charge than a newer battery.
P.S. If you plan to keep and use the XPERIA X10i for some time, it's well worth buying a Mugen Power 1800mAh battery.
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how does that answer to my question ? Do they sell new x10i ? meh
Hello everyone. First off, I have read this - Things You Should Know About Lithium Ion Battery. Secondly, I know this smartphone has a weaker battery than most, which combined with a dual-core 1ghz CPU makes it drain in about two days on average (I am an entry-level user). However, I've managed to optimize battery life through various options and by staying on factory Android (2.3.7) so now it can last to about four days, so I was very happy. Now more about the 'incident'.
Usually I charge my phone at home on an unused wall socket. But this time I charged it at my friends place on an extension cable which was literally packed with cables and his PC stuff. First thing I noticed is that it took a lot longer to charge my phone. It took nearly two hours to charge my phone from around half capacity to full, while at home this is usually accomplished in 30 minutes.
After this I've noticed that battery life deteriorates much quicker, it now lasts about a day and that's when just idling and not doing anything (!), so I'm back to the state before I managed to prolong battery life and even worse.
So what happened? Did my phone suffer irreversible damage to the battery?
As much as I can tell from a layman point of view, the AC flow on that extension cable felt 'unstable' so maybe it means the battery was charged with 'lower quality' current?
Now every subsequent charge I do at my home improves battery life for the first few hours, but after a point it still deteriorates rapidly and that's while my phone is not even awake. I get the feeling I should let it discharge completely (even though this is not advisable for Li-Ion) and charge it fully from zero to full capacity? Kind of letting the battery format again in normal conditions maybe?
Much appreciated. Luka from Serbia.
Here are the screenshots (cant post full links)
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This is how my battery life looks after 22 hours. As you see, most of it was when the phone was not awake.
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Here I drew a green line to indicate how my idle battery life looked like before.
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It took nearly two hours to charge my phone from around half capacity to full, while at home this is usually accomplished in 30 minutes.
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Even using 2.3.7 that's not normal... your problem it's not from that "episode". It's from the past
Has anyone checked the ROG phone "Battery health" on AccuBattery Pro? Mine is showing Estimated Capacity as 3,548 mAh, Design Capacity 4,000 mAh. I completely discharged then charged to 100% as calibration. Brand new phone.
Mine is showing 3,531mAh after around a week of usage.
Someone should report this on the Asus forums
mine also show 3500mah after 2.5 weeks of use
I have posted this issue on ASUS's Forum
https://www.asus.com/zentalk/thread-249329-1-1.html
Please feel free to add your battery capacity screenshots on their forum so we have a reference for the future
Mine's at 3462 after a little over a month. With a health of 87%
OK, then. We shouldn't be concerned. The proper way to measure battery is more complicated than what AccuBattery does (the proper way involves measuring battery discharge at a controlled rate). Since many of us are getting similar readings on AccuBattery, it's probably that AccuBattery's method isn't accurate.
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OK, then. We shouldn't be concerned. The proper way to measure battery is more complicated than what AccuBattery does (the proper way involves measuring battery discharge at a controlled rate). Since many of us are getting similar readings on AccuBattery, it's probably that AccuBattery's method isn't accurate.
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Same here: 3536 mAh 88% health with Accubattery first charge out of the box after discharging to 15% following first power up.
Either Accubattery has a problem with our phone, or Asus is ripping us off.
If the batteries were bad, we'd all have different readings.
I am guessing the AI charging might affect the measurement from AccuBattery. However I also don't think the battery capacity is full 4000 mAh. My last phone from Motorola has a 3000 mAh battery on the spec chart, but the battery itself prints 2810 / 3000 mAh (min/typ). From the ROG phone tear down videos, this battery isn't marked though.
From the asus zen forum the only solution the person provided was to bring the device to a service center to get it tested
I maybe wrong however with batteries these days it only ever uses a percentage so that there is redundancy for failure and to preserve the battery life.
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I maybe wrong however with batteries these days it only ever uses a percentage so that there is redundancy for failure and to preserve the battery life.
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Samsung does that. Note 9 is 4000mah but Accubattery says 3800mah on new phones. Every one of them.
Power reserve to not kill the battery early.
Anyway, 3500 mAh seems like one heck of a left over reserve.
Our batteries should last 5 years at least
Same "problem" here, but maybe it is because program has small amount of gathered data about battery usage. I did full discharge and full recharge yesterday, and goz about 3567mAh, but ill try to calibrate battery and use measuring app for longer time to get more accurate results.
Ps: I am using only slow charger to avoid overheating to eliminate battery damaging when recharging
I have not checked my ROG Phone in any 3rd party apps as I have not had a reason to question the 4,000 MAH
It is not a problem, lithium ion battery deteriorate faster if kept fully charge all the time or when discharged to low. Since most people have the bad habit to plug their phone all the time and keep them full for a prolonged period of time, oem have to be creative to fight this. Some will show your battery is charged at 100% while in reality its only charged at 90% .That is what your program most likely reading.
lithium ion should only be charged at 100% before you leave the house, i tend to keep mine between 50 and 90 usually . With quick charge there is no reason to keep a phone plug overnight, 10-20 min before leaving the house is plenty.
I have turned on AI for battery charging and as soon as my Battery reaches 100 it stops charging which is good enough for me to have faith in the charging technology in the phone and battery capacity.
I do leave mine plugged in over night however with the right equipment to check its hard to get a good understanding of whats happening. Theres inbuilt battery health tools so i would always advise using these and going through the features of this over 3rd party jank applications and trust them. Its the only tools Asus are going to support in any diagnostic troubleshooting.
Hi guys, I am returning after some time of usage and charging. After some charging cycles I have to admit my battery capacity is "increasing" - well better say, it is getting used to be charged properly. Now I passed 7 full charging cycles, but after 3rd one every next charge had more mA. I started at 3479mAh with full battery, now I ended with 3711mAh - hope it gets even better (I'll be glad for at least 3800, but who knows?). Everytime I tried to charge only when I was below 3%.
I have to say I am using slow charger with 5V and 400mA current. Battery checker from mobile manager was not detecting any issue with this way of charging nor AccuBattery Pro. I also know, that batteries shall be charged only about 80% of its capacity, but I am still sceptical about that rest 20% so I am charging to max everytime.
Hope I helped...
...another time passed and I am back with another results. After a lot chrging cycles I am stuck at between 3500-3700mAh of total capacity. I was searching around whole internet and found out, that phone manufacturers are "decreasing" battery capacity with SW at 90% of total capacity to prolong battery life and avoid battery wear, because everytime you charge the phone, you think you are charging to 100%, but in real you are charging to 90% only - rest of 10% is "hidden" to save your battery life - due to my calculations and testing it might be true. Anybody else had something different, so we can compare it?
I've just started cycling with accubattery will post when I get some solid data but seems battery has lost some capacity already only had it since November 5
Hellindros said:
I've just started cycling with accubattery will post when I get some solid data but seems battery has lost some capacity already only had it since November 5
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Heres mine so far only a few cycle's in but I've lost quite a bit capacity