Could this phone potentially be able to charge, be HDMI out and be connected to a keyboard and mouse all at the same time? Or can you only do some of these features? I Saw the video of the phone being connected to multiple devices but how about everything all at once?
SlimJ87D said:
Could this phone potentially be able to charge, be HDMI out and be connected to a keyboard and mouse all at the same time? Or can you only do some of these features? I Saw the video of the phone being connected to multiple devices but how about everything all at once?
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It cannot be connected to MHL and USB OTG at the same time, but you can do everything you mention with an MHL adapter (which has, and requires, a charging input in order to be able to use it), and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
NZtechfreak said:
It cannot be connected to MHL and USB OTG at the same time, but you can do everything you mention with an MHL adapter (which has, and requires, a charging input in order to be able to use it), and a bluetooth keyboard and mouse.
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So you're telling me that it can only do Video out or read/write to USB devices but can't do both at the same time?
The reason I ask is because I'm thinking of designing a board with its own power source so that it only requires to read information from the 11 pins to accomplish everything.
I want to charge the phone, have a few USB ports and a HDMI port and have the phone interact with all. I just don't know the specs of the board or what is going on. Maybe I need to get in touch with superico.
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Is it possible to connect galaxy s2 and HDTV with hdmi (mhl) adapter and at the same time use the wireless (but not bluetooth) mouse and keyboard connected to galaxy s2?
(i want to use my internet connection on galaxy s2 and browse the web with mouse and keyboard, all that on the TV)
I manage to do this separately, either Full HD via MHL adapter, or using both mouse and keyboard via Micro USB to USB converter and dongle for wireless connection. Dont know how to combine those together though.
I think that bluetooth mouse and keyboard would work, but would like to know about mentioned method.
Maybe self powered USB would help?
thx
Wireless mouse and keyboard will obviously require a USB dongle to receive, so I seriously doubt that you can do this. It's not often that you get a mobile device that is capable of being a USB host, so I find it very doubtful that you could plug multiple USB devices into it at the same time.
I know you said you don't want bluetooth, but I really, REALLY believe that this won't be possible any other way.
Archer said:
Wireless mouse and keyboard will obviously require a USB dongle to receive, so I seriously doubt that you can do this. It's not often that you get a mobile device that is capable of being a USB host, so I find it very doubtful that you could plug multiple USB devices into it at the same time.
I know you said you don't want bluetooth, but I really, REALLY believe that this won't be possible any other way.
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Hi together,
ive asked me if it is possible to use an adapter for 1x micro usb (plug) -> 2x micro usb (jack).
Could the phone handle 2 USB devices at the same time?
Maybe then it is possible to use the HDMI output and the USB host parallel?
For example to use an TV as screen and an HDD as the source for a movie.
This would be nice.
Thanks in advance.
macc
When the connector is used for HDMI I doubt it can be used as USB at the same time, I'n sorry.
Maybe in a few months cyanogenmod provides a hack, if there will be an dual adapter soon.
We will see. Thank you.
macc
The hardware needs to allow this if it'd become possible. You need a really smart USB dongle that knows how to split the HDMI output from the USB output.
Sounds a little too difficult to ever happen.
Hmm thats right. I think i still dream xD
But thank you.
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it is not possible. because as stated on this forum many times before, the type of usb connection is determined by the resistor between pin 4 and 5 of the micro usb connector. the strength can tell the phone, that there is either a charger, a pc connection, car kit, jig, usb otg or mhl connection present.
and i believe, this is an important thing to keep in mind for so many things:
for instance, why the original car kit triggers car mode and generic car charging cables don't or why not just any micro usb male to usb a female will work as a otg cable or why flashing should be done with the original usb cable...
so if you were to buy or build a micro usb hub, since it has no resistor in the very plug that connects to the phone, it cannot be used for anything but charging and quite frankly, i wouldn't connect more than one charger to the phone.
however, if you want to use your phone for presentations or watching movies and still be able to use it, get a bluetooth keyboard and mouse or a bluetooth presenter or do it the other way around and use a usb input device and transfer your media using allshare. everything else is physically impossible, so neither CM nor XDA can do anything about it. the only device that can do what you want is the new motorola. it has a separate micro usb and micro hdmi port and a docking station, so you can use it as a full notebook.
Thats obvious. Thank you.
macc
However, is there any way possible to charge your phone WHILE using the OTG adapter? They both use the 1 micro port on my phone, but I need to find a way to charge the phone while using the OTG adapter.....perhaps a micro USB splitter-type adapter?????
I was actually wondering about this myself, though I don't think a splitter-type cable would work. I'm wondering if the power connection is on separate pins than the data, though...if they don't share space then I'd think it would be possible in some fashion.
RowanOak said:
I was actually wondering about this myself, though I don't think a splitter-type cable would work. I'm wondering if the power connection is on separate pins than the data, though...if they don't share space then I'd think it would be possible in some fashion.
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A similar problem is showing up regarding using the mhl port to output to hdmi. Though the original information indicated that the power cable was supposed to charge the phone it seems it does not on the first version (super DUMB).
I have read though that the newer version of the mhl port is 10 (I think) pins rather than the 5 of the original. The newer port DOES allow charging while output is in operation.
I suspect this will also allow an OTG cable that charges while in use.
I am not so sure about the mhl idea anymore. Only one port for everything is ok if it has enough pins/bandwidth to have a breakout box that would allow an external usb drive to be read while hdmi is being output to a screen and power is supplied to the phone. As it is now with only one-at-a-time it isn't very inspiring as the phones get closer to the power of laptops.
What would be really neat would be a box with wi-fi, and the output to hdmi and usb ports as well. A wireless breakout box. Then the charger could be over by the phone which is near the user.
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However, is there any way possible to charge your phone WHILE using the OTG adapter? They both use the 1 micro port on my phone, but I need to find a way to charge the phone while using the OTG adapter.....perhaps a micro USB splitter-type adapter?????
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I think this thread could solve your problem.
Oh... I found a useful diagram here.
If you connect the MHL cable to the device and the OTG cable to the MHL cable the device can't detect the OTG cable.
How can I make this work? I've seen videos in youtube that they connect their device to the TV at the same they have USB bluetooth mouse and keyboard connected.
Anyone tried using MHL cable and OTG cable at the same time?
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anyone?
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According to some of wikipedia entries it should be possible to use mhl and usb otg at the same time with a 11-pin mhl-hdmi adapter.
Wikipedia said:
11-pin MHL-USB Connector
The Samsung Galaxy S III uses a connector that is similar to the original 5-pin MHL-USB connector, but it uses 11-pins in order to achieve a few functional improvements over the 5-pin design.
It supports the use of USB and MHL simultaneously (note that the new Samsung 11-pin MHL-HDMI adapter also has a USB-OTG port).
Samsung’s Galaxy S III can power the MHL-HDMI adapter. Although this can theoretically also be done with the standard 5-pin micro-USB connector, the Galaxy S III's 11-pin connector is believed to be the first smartphone that supports this functionality.
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Here you go.
So, it should work. But I couldnt make it work at the moment
I also got one of these 11-pin connectors and like it seems only the S3 has these adapters, so why the **** doesnt it work?? :/
I already asked sammy on facebook, just wondering what they will answer^^
Hopefully we will have some pos. results, dude.
cheers
bordikun said:
If you connect the MHL cable to the device and the OTG cable to the MHL cable the device can't detect the OTG cable.
How can I make this work? I've seen videos in youtube that they connect their device to the TV at the same they have USB bluetooth mouse and keyboard connected.
Anyone tried using MHL cable and OTG cable at the same time?
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How would that work since the micro USB connection on the mhl cable is for power / charger?
In those YouTube videos is it possible that they have the mhl cable connected to the TV and power source, and the keyboard and mouse connected wirelessly via Bluetooth?
Confused because you said USB Bluetooth mouse and keyboard. From what I know they aren't USB.
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Samsung should eventually release a dock to use both so unless someone figures it out first you'll just have to wait, because if it just took an 11 pin USB cable someone would have got it working already and we'd know about it, so I reckon it might have some extra circuitry to make it recognised by the phone.
Guys, as I already posted, the connector has 11 pins, so it should be possible to use OTG and MHL features at the same time. thats the only reason sammy brought out this connector and also cause of incompability with the 5-pin connector.
So they should bring the f*ck out somethin for the phone that activates this feature.
And a big problem I have with my mhl-connector is that I cant configure the output
on my 2 TVs at home I get 1080i, (both only 1080i capable), but the picture is kinda oversized so I cant see 100% percent of the picture, only 90% or smt like this.
But the funny part is, that I get on my 1680x1050p PC monitor only 576p screen, what actually sucks So it would be awesome if I could choose the resolution I want to have. But I guess its a thing of the connector (maybe it choose the resolutions iself).
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so the one in the videos using keyboard and mouse are bluetooth thru phone?
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I am SO HARD waiting for THAT "DOCK" hopefully will came out any day soon.
They should do iut fast. I'm waiting so hard for everything get connected with my Phone. It will be awsome if I don't need my Pc anymore.
To use the MHL cable you must have power connected to the adapter.
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bordikun said:
If you connect the MHL cable to the device and the OTG cable to the MHL cable the device can't detect the OTG cable.
How can I make this work? I've seen videos in youtube that they connect their device to the TV at the same they have USB bluetooth mouse and keyboard connected.
Anyone tried using MHL cable and OTG cable at the same time?
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That's damn funny because I have wanted to know whether that would work as well, lol.
Did seriously consider trying but as I was on holiday if they broke, I wouldn't be able to get replacement so didn't try it.
In theory I would think it could work, but only if you could somehow wire in power to the hdmi adapter as it appears to need that to run the hdmi aswell as provide power to the phone, at least enough that once the usb adapter tries to demand power to run it isn't enough for the phone to output.
As to whether this is just a a stupid guess and assumption of how the devices and being a noob, I don't know.
If you can get a micro female to male adapter with a usb splitter for power then technically I can't see why it wouldn't work if the limitations are physical as oppose to software based (whole other issue I have no clue about).
EDIT: Wow, when I started that post no one had replied, err, seems a little redundant now, lol. My bad. Also, this 5 minute wait to point this out, have seemed really long...
guess we'll have to wait for that dock.
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Hey there, i have tried gathering information about this subject and it seems all threads always lead to this announcement:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/29/galaxy-s-iii-new-mhl-connector-also-enables-usb-on-go/
Short: Samsung have changed to an 11 Pin-out to enable USB OTG and MHL Hdmi out at the same time. I purchased an original HDTV Adapter (EPL-3FHUBEGSTD) which as far as i can reliably count indeed has about 11 connectors inside the USB connector that goes into the phone.
Now, i can get HDMI out just fine, but ONLY when i also connect the MHL adapter to a power source (a PC USB Port will do fine), however i have also read, that the phone is able to power the MHL adapter itself but obviously would not be charged then (no surprises there). This does not work however.
Further, connecting a USB OTG cable to the micro usb port on the MHL adapter does nothing. No notification and no devices connecting. No power either, since the LED on my USB Hub does not light up as it should. Connecting any devices to the hub does nothing to change that situation. If i leave out the MHL adapter and connect the USB OTG cable directly to the phone, everything works perfectly. I have tried this with 2 different OTG cables so they are not the problem.
This is an original genuine HDTV Adapter for our phones, which according to that post should be working fine with USB OTG.
AFAIK, this topic --does-- come up more frequently now as i can find a few more discussions about it, albeit none really helpful:
http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...-of-11-pin-mhl-connector-in-samsung-galaxy-s3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1743128
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1803079
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link#11-pin_MHL-USB_Connector
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1811435
That wiki entry is the most interesting link as it definitely states that using MHL and USB OTG simultaneously is possible and is also the reason why the 5 pin layout was changed to an 11 Pin layout.
Looking forward to reading your replies!
the ability to use MHL and OTG simultaneously would give the S3 so much more purpose. It is powerful enough to replace a desktop computer used only for light stuff like browsing and watching videos, and even simple gaming. If samsung made a dock like the one for the motorola atrix I'm convinced they will broaden their target group. The atrix got everything right with this but is inferior hardware wise. I love the idea of a one device for everything concept. Unfortunately it doesn't rhyme very well with the growth society.
Love the MHL and the OTG is even better only after I got the correct cables as the cables changed on S3 to the S2 version, unlimited space for watching films on my phone is now awesome and even better connecting it to to the TV just need a good dock,
is there perhaps any expert advise on this? According to multiple sources it should work but really doesnt. Did i buy the wrong mhl adapter?
I think they will only both work together when being used with an MHL enabled tv. That way the power comes from the tv and the usb on the adapter can be used for the usb-otg cable.
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But if i connected the MHL with the s3. Would sound come out of my phone AND my TV or just my TV. If it justs comes out of my TV, then can i hook up my bluetooth headphones and listen to my video or it would not allow me?
Thanks
joysleep said:
But if i connected the MHL with the s3. Would sound come out of my phone AND my TV or just my TV. If it justs comes out of my TV, then can i hook up my bluetooth headphones and listen to my video or it would not allow me?
Thanks
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I think you already got a reply in the other thread on this, you should use subscriptions.
mertzi said:
I think you already got a reply in the other thread on this, you should use subscriptions.
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It wasnt clear.
No1 knows the actual answer to this questions. Really frustraing
joysleep said:
It wasnt clear.
No1 knows the actual answer to this questions. Really frustraing
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Ah ok sorry! Afaik you should be able to choose your headphones as primary audio source in the bluetooth settings. I know I can choose what I want to be output to my bluetooth headset, but I don't own an MHL adapter so I don't know about that. Someone with one should be able to try it, and if they don't own a bluetooth headset/pair of headphones they could try with wired ones and see what happens.
mertzi said:
Ah ok sorry! Afaik you should be able to choose your headphones as primary audio source in the bluetooth settings. I know I can choose what I want to be output to my bluetooth headset, but I don't own an MHL adapter so I don't know about that. Someone with one should be able to try it, and if they don't own a bluetooth headset/pair of headphones they could try with wired ones and see what happens.
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I have recently received an MHL connector (5 pin type) and the samsung 11 to 5 pin adapter for it. I can confirm that if I plug my OTG cable into it, and then into my powered USB hub, I can get the MHL to work just fine, both video and audio. The OTG cable powers it just fine, but does NOT allow me to use other devices attached to the USB hub.
I am still researching. I suspect you need to bring all 11 pins off the phone with a splitter of some sort, or possibly wire data lines through the MHL. Probably not with the 5 pin MHL connector and 11 to 5 pin adapter, but with the full 11 pin MHL adapter. I am not up to that level of hardware hacking. I suspect whoever does it first can sell a BUNCH of them!
Oh, and I have a Moto Lapdock for my Raspberry Pi, and would love to hook my S3 to it too!
Scott