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After seeing the screen on the samsung galaxy s II i'm pretty confident that its what i'll be getting, but...I'm concerned about burn in.
One of the reasons I was leaning towards the htc sensation is that with slcd I don't have to worry about burn in at all, but how much do i really have to worry about it?
I havn't seen many people complain about burn in on the first galaxy s, but there are still some cases.
Is it reduced on the galaxy s II?
Are the chances of this happening so low that I shouldnt worry about it?
How cheap/easy is it to replace the screen if this happens?
im interested in this as well
Hi,
I´m an Omnia 2 I8000 owner since 10.2009. It was the first phone on market with Samsungs Amoled-screen.
I allways use Black themes.
I don´t have any problems with screen burn up to now. You can see it slightly on testimages, but in normal use, you won´t notice it at all! I would post pictures, but my Display was replaced(Dust under the screen) a month ago, so its new again...
Rgds
Is there even such a problem on AMOLED screens? I came from a Nexus One with AMOLED screen and never had such issues, and I believe the screen was made by Samsung too.
hycian said:
Is there even such a problem on AMOLED screens?
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Amoled screens are basically plasma screens for phones.
They're completely different technologies, but the pros/cons are almost the same.
lcds make a picture but the backlight is what allows us to see it so clearly.
amoled make their own light, but they have a lifespan.
so the pixels that get the most use tend to fade, and leave a 'burn in' effect.
Berserk87 said:
After seeing the screen on the samsung galaxy s II i'm pretty confident that its what i'll be getting, but...I'm concerned about burn in.
One of the reasons I was leaning towards the htc sensation is that with slcd I don't have to worry about burn in at all, but how much do i really have to worry about it?
I havn't seen many people complain about burn in on the first galaxy s, but there are still some cases.
Is it reduced on the galaxy s II?
Are the chances of this happening so low that I shouldnt worry about it?
How cheap/easy is it to replace the screen if this happens?
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Burn in happens as early as 4-6 months of use with most AMOLED based screens, this happens mostly on the clock section of the notification bar, there is a long thread about this on the SGS1 forums. Honestly burn in is the least of concerns, be more concerned about the yellow tinting issue on most SAMOLED Plus screens.
Well ive had a samsung jet for some 3-4 years, one of the first amoleds (i think)
and i dont have a hint of burn in, i also got a htc desire after that because i fell in love with amoled and that doesnt have any burn in either. Now i have my sgs2 and the amoled love continues. I have a plasma screen at home so i am very familliar with burn in (nasty shock in the morning when falling asleep with it on!).
I think if samsung thought these were going to burn in they would have put screen protection/pixel flushing just like they did with my samsung plasma tv. Its really not a worry in my mind and i use bright blue glowing themes which are the most aggressive on amoled pixels.
Ive read horror stories of burn in but those are just faulty screens/handsets.
Heres the thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=892498&page=16&highlight=amoled+burnin
what im still unable to find is how easy it would be to replace the screen if it were to burn in, and what it would cost.
never knew these AMOLED screens have image retention problems.
My Nexus One had terrible screen burn, the Froyo notification bar was clearly visable when not actually displayed. Hope the SGS2 does not go this way.
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hycian said:
Is there even such a problem on AMOLED screens? I came from a Nexus One with AMOLED screen and never had such issues, and I believe the screen was made by Samsung too.
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Yes there is a problem. My nexus one has permanent burn in. And I made a thread with many others posting pics of their burn in.
Its just a trait of amoled screens. My status bar, clock am pm, and keyboard are all burnt in to the screen on my nexus one.
Search the forum, this topic has already been covered.
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Search the forum, this topic has already been covered.
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Yes, but i cant find anything saying if its been improved on the amoled plus screens.
I would assume that the efficiency boost would lessen the effect a bit because it should boost the pixel lifespan, but im not 100%.
Berserk87 said:
Yes, but i cant find anything saying if its been improved on the amoled plus screens.
I would assume that the efficiency boost would lessen the effect a bit because it should boost the pixel lifespan, but im not 100%.
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Yes that is the question now, we don't know how much amoled plus improves this issue. I have to think that its gonna be much improved with this new generation.
Mine already seems to suffer from burn-in, most noticeable whenever my auto-brightness shifts to lower thresholds (had my SGS2 since the last day of June 2011). I wonder if Sammy can do any replacement for me.
I got a burn in too. The four bottom icons start to be visible with notification bar pulled down.
Looks like I ain't the only one with an sgs2 with this issue then. I notice it's only visible at low brightness - approximately 10-15%. And my notification bar has always been black.
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Got mine since it's release in May, always used very low brightness settings and a low screen-off-timer, 30 seconds or one minute.
Status bar is visible on red background and very visible on blue, some icons and the clock time are present all the time.
Really pathetic after very moderate and careful use in five month.
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Got mine since it's release in May, always used very low brightness settings and a low screen-off-timer, 30 seconds or one minute.
Status bar is visible on red background and very visible on blue, some icons and the clock time are present all the time.
Really pathetic after very moderate and careful use in five month.
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Similar to my usage pattern mate. Pathetic is the word. Damn.
I was really looking forward to the GS2 on AT&T, but then somebody mentioned screen burn, and I was just curious how susceptible to screen burn it is? Is it something that I would need to worry about?
I've had my SGS2 since may when it first came out. I noticed it last week when using the PlayerPro music app.
The background is on this app is grey which includes where the status bar normally is. I could see where the battery, time, alarm clock icon and signal bars have burnt in.
Then i noticed i can faintly see the home screen app icons when i pull the notification bar down.
So yes.. screen burn is real. Very disappointing. I'd rather have LCD than this amoled that starts to burn in after 4 months. I'm wondering if this'll be covered by the warranty.
Anyone else getting this too?
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I've had my SGS2 since may when it first came out. I noticed it last week when using the PlayerPro music app.
The background is on this app is grey which includes where the status bar normally is. I could see where the battery, time, alarm clock icon and signal bars have burnt in.
Then i noticed i can faintly see the home screen app icons when i pull the notification bar down.
So yes.. screen burn is real. Very disappointing. I'd rather have LCD than this amoled that starts to burn in after 4 months. I'm wondering if this'll be covered by the warranty.
Anyone else getting this too?
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Did you leave your screen on for long periods of time? Screen burn in is a 'feature' of amoleds, but I think you've gotta try kinda hard to make it happen...
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Did you leave your screen on for long periods of time? Screen burn in is a 'feature' of amoleds, but I think you've gotta try kinda hard to make it happen...
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No I don't have the screen on for long. It is set to 15 second time out. I don't use it that much during the day at work. I never watch movies on it or play games. Just calls, text email and net with a few apps.
What brightness level you use?
I have it set too auto brightness. See attached.
Download PlayerPro its free. you might see burn starting on yours too. also show up in google sky map quite clearly.
I took a screen shot to see if it carried the effect over to my pc.. Don't laugh! The iPad burn works like that. It must be a memory related thing. Anyway..thats not the case on the SGS2
Well if you have auto brightness on, wouldn't that mean sometimes your brightness level would be exceedingly high enough to cause a screen burn? I haven't experienced any screen burn yet, even though I tend to have 4-5 hours of display time watching a lot of videos.
My brightness is at 50% and its definitely got some burn in. Very disappointing.
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My brightness is at 50% and its definitely got some burn in. Very disappointing.
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Yeah it sucks. F*** samoled+, the trade off isn't worth it. What will my phone be like in another 4 months? Willl Samsung do anything about it? Probably not
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Well if you have auto brightness on, wouldn't that mean sometimes your brightness level would be exceedingly high enough to cause a screen burn?
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No really..it never seems that bright to me? If it ever did get bright i would turn it down as its a waste of battery
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I haven't experienced any screen burn yet, even though I tend to have 4-5 hours of display time watching a lot of videos.
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I don't think watching videos will do make noticeable burn. You need static images to create the burn. Download Playerpro, its free in the market, play a song and look at the task bar area and post back.
You mean when the top screen is covered in gray by the app listing the song, instead of showing the notification bar?
Well I downloaded playerpro and played a song (loca people by sak Noel-in case you were wondering ) and there appeared to be some very faint blobs where the status bar icons are. BUT they seemed to fade after a few seconds, maybe my screen is not quite there yet, but it seems to be heading in that direction.
I dread to think what I'd do if there was burn in anywhere other than the status bar. I think I would die.
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Well I downloaded playerpro and played a song (loca people by sak Noel-in case you were wondering ) and there appeared to be some very faint blobs where the status bar icons are. BUT they seemed to fade after a few seconds, maybe my screen is not quite there yet, but it seems to be heading in that direction.
I dread to think what I'd do if there was burn in anywhere other than the status bar. I think I would die.
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Good tune! I didn't notice the burn until installed PlayerPro. It doesn't really show in other apps or homescreens. Hopefully it won't get any worse
This issue is pretty well documented with AMOLED, but really, how long do folks keep their devices around here?
I get a new phone at least once a year, sometimes as many as two or three times a year if I decide to sell/trade/upgrade, etc., so even in the event of some small burn-in, it's not something I'm going to obsess about. My phone is a tool, and it does what I need it to do, and when it doesn't, I get another... and I'm not rich, and I do like to take good care of my equipment, but I expect that there's going to be some trade-offs in terms of design... and I suspect that most of us knew about this AMOLED burn-in issue, same as with plasma TVs, though maybe not all.
Yeah but screen burn is going to seriously lower the value of the phone for a trade.
You said it's a pretty well documented issue with AMOLED, but does SAMOLED have the same issue....or is it different?
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and I suspect that most of us knew about this AMOLED burn-in issue, same as with plasma TVs, though maybe not all.
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A year or two I can live with that. But 16 weeks? The phone cost more than than the average plasma TV too!
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This issue is pretty well documented with AMOLED, but really, how long do folks keep their devices around here?
I get a new phone at least once a year, sometimes as many as two or three times a year if I decide to sell/trade/upgrade, etc., so even in the event of some small burn-in, it's not something I'm going to obsess about. My phone is a tool, and it does what I need it to do, and when it doesn't, I get another... and I'm not rich, and I do like to take good care of my equipment, but I expect that there's going to be some trade-offs in terms of design... and I suspect that most of us knew about this AMOLED burn-in issue, same as with plasma TVs, though maybe not all.
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Thats all good and weel if you can afford it but most people cant and are tied in to 2 year contracts ive had my phone 4 months and the burn in is terrible i took it back to carphone warehouse and they tried to fob me off saying theyd never seen or heard of screen burn on a phone and to ring samsung so now my phones on its way to them to have the screen replaced under warranty
So for anyone suffering from this issue get onto samsung and get it sorted thats what the 2 year warranty is for
So, how did it go with that screen replacement. Did you get it covered under warranty?
Hey everyone, normally there is a setting under development that you can put a check to leave the screen on while charging the GSII. I looked and no box to check. Anyone know if there is a different way to do this on the GSI?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1288070
Probably not a good idea. AMOLED screens can suffer from burn in. Likely why Samsung removed the option. Many Nexus One owners will testify to this because they have a faint image of the Froyo notification bar forever on their screen.
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Correct. Burn in is a real concern on any OLED/AMOLED screens as blue pixels have very short life span. Don't leave it on for extended period. Don't use the max brightness all the time.
Thanks everyone. That makes sense, they removed this option from the phone. I always use the Auto brightness on my GSII. I did always use this option on my Nexus S to leave screen on while charging.
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I use screebl from my htc inspire and it seems to work good on this device.
Inspire is a LCD screen and won't get burn-in. DON'T do it for any OLED/AMOLED screens. You get burn-in very easily.
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Inspire is a LCD screen and won't get burn-in. DON'T do it for any OLED/AMOLED screens. You get burn-in very easily.
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I've left my Cappy AMOLED screen on for hours at a time and pretty much always while charging. I've never had (or heard of) any issues with burn in. Is the AMOLED Plus on the SGSII the issue or am I just lucky with my Cappy?
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I've left my Cappy AMOLED screen on for hours at a time and pretty much always while charging. I've never had (or heard of) any issues with burn in. Is the AMOLED Plus on the SGSII the issue or am I just lucky with my Cappy?
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Sometimes you will have to be on special background to see the effect. A lot of Captivate onwers, Galaxy S owners and Samsung Focus owners found out the hardway. Just search screen burn-in in the respective forums. The blue pixles used to be only 2000 to 4000 hours of life span. I'm pretty sure Samsung has improved it to something like 8000 to 14000 hours but there is no specifics released by Samsung. So, you can count those hours to see how that will affect your screen burn-in.
Some phone screens get burn-in quite easily than others. So there is manufacture variations as well. I personally don't want to risk it. It's easier to get burn-in on these screens than today's Plasma TVs which typically has 80,000 to 100,000 hours half-brightness lifespan, or 10 times less likely to get burn-in than our phone screen. And TVs usually display motion videos instead of static text on the phone.
Thanks for clearing it up. Agreed--I do not want to risk it.
I got my hands on a Razr x910 and it has screen burn. what are my solutions for this? Can i order a screen from someplace on the web ? what are my options?
please post a picture, i ve never seen a problem like this in a so short amount of time
Do you mean like black dots when the the screen is black?
I thought only plasma screens have burn marks
There are a couple apps that can attempt to reverse it, like Display Tester, fixes the burn by scrubbing the pixels with white and black nars, try it, couldnt hurt
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here is a picture of the burnt screen. its a yellowish tinge in the screen. whenever there is a white or light screen you can usually see them. However it doesnt effect games/videos, so its not to bad..
I ran that display tester and no luck!
I'm not even absolutely certain that's screen burn. AMOLED is kind of notorious for... inconsistent... colors (especially whites). And the RAZR in particular has some artifacts that are especially visible in the dark. They don't impair usage generally. But then the display I'm on typing at the moment isn't the best so it's hard for me to be sure how bad it is on your screen.
EDIT: scratch that, looked closer and I can make out the launcher icons at the bottom. That kind of sucks, actually.
its not to bad, and again only on light screens. I am always going to run a dark background so its unnoticeable. But when i run into some extra money ill just buy a new screen This place http://www.repairsuniverse.com/motorola-razr-lcd-screen-replacement.html
seems legit for a not bad price.
Might want to turn down your screen-on time as well. The only other RAZR I've seen like that was the demo unit at the Verizon store & its screen is on all the time.
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot... I've never heard of this on a mobile device, a tablet, or a laptop. Although cheaper LCD TVs (like my POS Westinghouse) can have it happen. An impractical solution would simply be to leave it off for a few days. But, that's not going to happen with a phone. If you can find a video of static... like a TV screen on a channel with no signal... and can have it run in a repeating loop, leave it plugged in and run it over night. The random white/black pixels will clear out LCD burn in. It might take a few sessions.
There's an app called JScreenFix that can be used to exercise the display as well. This issue was a problem on the first generation Fascinates. The samoled screens would retain the image of the status bar clock or the whole status bar.
Technically, it's not burn-in I guess, it's more like pixel degradation in certain color spectrums.
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Has your LG G2 Smearing or the Ghost Effect in System settings or Internet Browser?
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All IPS screens have some degree of ghosting, it's the nature of IPS technology, but that's totally perceived differently amongst users. Some see it, some don't (I don't see it not even in games), but I know it's there.
However IPS displays do not have the dreaded AMOLED burn in problems, where static images (blues and whites are the most problematic) eventually burn in like those old ATM CRT screens (some people have burn in screens after just a couple of months), so I rather have IPS screen over AMOLEDs!
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However IPS displays do not have the dreaded AMOLED burn in problems, where static images (blues and whites are the most problematic) eventually burn in like those old ATM CRT screens (some people have burn in screens after just a couple of months), so I rather have IPS screen over AMOLEDs!
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That does not happen on real life usage. Maybe after using for 2-3 years, the burn in would be visible.
Only time the burn in is visible after months, is on the showroom models which is turned on all the time.
I have my 2 years old S2 and still there's no burn in .
I only get "ghost" if I force the screen to move a million mph. Never on a game or elsewhere.
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That does not happen on real life usage. Maybe after using for 2-3 years, the burn in would be visible.
Only time the burn in is visible after months, is on the showroom models which is turned on all the time.
I have my 2 years old S2 and still there's no burn in .
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tell that to my galaxy nexus with a burned in status bar and navigation bar. better yet, tell that to my galaxy s4 where I did the black status bar mod and within a month those pixels degraded from not being used.
amoled sucks.
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That does not happen on real life usage. Maybe after using for 2-3 years, the burn in would be visible.
Only time the burn in is visible after months, is on the showroom models which is turned on all the time.
I have my 2 years old S2 and still there's no burn in .
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I beg to differ. Happened to me with 2 fascinates. The status bar burned in after about 3 mos. Strangely enough though, I never got it on Motorola amoled screens. We have 3 og razrs in the family, all around 2yrs old, and have no burn-in at all.
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eggman89 said:
That does not happen on real life usage. Maybe after using for 2-3 years, the burn in would be visible.
Only time the burn in is visible after months, is on the showroom models which is turned on all the time.
I have my 2 years old S2 and still there's no burn in .
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I hope you are talking about ATM Screens burning-in after a few years right? Because AMOLEDS tend to burn in just after a few months under certain conditions and usage.
And to make matters worse, it also burns in WITHOUT EVEN USING IT! UV light also degrades the screen, and if you consider UV to be present even on office lighting then you better place your phone screen side down while on your desk!
If you don't believe me, do some research right here in XDA, there are many examples (with photos) demonstrating such facts!
EDIT: Heck, here's some photos demonstrating a brand new Galaxy Note which had the screen protector (with Ads) on a store shelf. When removed, it revealed screen burn-in! (see the round shape imprinted on the screen).
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What is the ghost effect... Time to Google and YouTube I guess...
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What is the ghost effect... Time to Google and YouTube I guess...
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Short answer is: When you scroll a list on your screen, you will notice the letters are somewhat smudged or blurred, and also screen elements leave a trail behind.
Also on high action games some people see the same effect.
For me it's not that noticeable even at 20/20 eyesight. Or at least I don't perceive it as an annoyance.\
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Oh yes. I know about this effect. I have experienced this in past, and strangely on amoled devices. I've never experienced this on G2. Damn you guys and my ocd, now everytime I'll be scrolling I'll be looking for this 'ghost effect'.
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eggman89 said:
That does not happen on real life usage. Maybe after using for 2-3 years, the burn in would be visible.
Only time the burn in is visible after months, is on the showroom models which is turned on all the time.
I have my 2 years old S2 and still there's no burn in .
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My gnexus had burn in twice. First time was about 6 months after getting it. Got a replacement. Second time was about 9 months later. The first burn in was a web page that I had only looked at for a few seconds. It happened almost instantly. I don't know why, but it did. I was always very careful to not leave the screen on and it still happened. Second burn in was the home screen clock widget. This one made a little more sense. Either way, I love not having to worry about it anymore with the g2. I will personally never get a amoled phone ever again.
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I can see the ghost effect,its easy to see when scrooling in apps folder where all the aps are.Doesnt bother me abit tho.The amoleds also have the same problem there arent free from this effect.The only thing i miss is the colors,(but G2 is close enough) i wont talk about blacks,cause they werent that black when you were looking in a dark room.. And until they fix the degration that causes the burn in and all,i wont go back to amoled (so no galaxy ever again for me...).And man the amoled tvs will soon have huge problems lol