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Sorry I missed the town hall meeting. I am a noob to Roms and phone moding, I did do a lot with the original xbox back when it was fun to mod. Ok a little off toppic.
One thing that noticed you never looked at is where are your noobs (me) comming in to your site? I have only been looking at roms for about a week. All of the searches that I did about roms and rooting my phone all led me to the "The Bible" and yes where is that located at. Most people will post there they find the information. You might look at moving that post to the general tab as this is going to be one of the first places that a person is going to look to first.
This will also be a place that a noob is going to post so dumb question for the 1,000,000th time. If you expect it, it will not be a bad thing.
And yes I did to a bad flash and spent about 5 hours looking for a way to fix what I did.
Thanks for your time and have a great day/night
Good point. I myself was thinking when I first started to look into flashing ROMs and such and found the bible in the Dev section. The Vibrant Bible has lots of information and should probably be in the General Section as it does draw people to the Dev section instead of General.
Maybe it should be in the Q&A forum as it has lots of both.
One of the biggest problems with this forum seems to be that for a development forum, there is very little actual development going on. Obviously only a select group of people have the knowledge and desire to truly develop custom ROMs, but there's a role others can take too.
I've been involved in other development communities, outside of Android, and I can't recall a community as poisonous as this one. The amount of high level technical discussion is nill. As inexperienced as I am with Android, I can't remember the last post that sent me running to google to read more about something. There seems to be little to no give-and-take between developers, which is typically the most fun of any development group I've been a part of. The goal of working towards any common framework seems non-existant.
The supporters of certain ROMs resemble cults more than critical, helpful users. I can't count the amount of replies I've seen to legitimate questions or criticisms saying nothing more than, "Developer X puts in all this time, so you should just be thankful", or some iteration of that. While possibly true, that's the type of worthless hero worship that provides nothing in a community like this.
Even the individual developer forums are worthless. They're 75% "you're awesome" posts, with the other 25% being bug reports.
Obviously the popularity of XDA has made it a destination for simple support posts in addition to development discussion. I guess that's frustrating, but can be handled through moderation. I know on other forums, if I had nothing to do, I'd sit in the help section and answer posts for a couple hours. I'm sure we've all posted on other forums and received helped we're thankful for. Certainly the level of douchebagery that half the users here show isn't needed.
I don't know. Maybe all Android communities are like this. The fragmentation of the development, even on one divice, definitely doesn't help. But it's not the most enjoyable place to read I've ever found.
This is all you need to know:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9831517&postcount=3
The town hall closed too soon, closed 5pm eastern time. Sucks for us on the west coast. I was actually typing and clicked send when I noticed the forum already was closed.
scrizz said:
This is all you need to know:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9831517&postcount=3
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I am sorry that is not all that I needed to know. This was a post for an idea that was not brough up in the town hall. yes I did read the full town hall and no it was never said in the full thread. So before you give a link please make sure of the Question.
That is another reason that you get people pissed off. You have people say "this is all that I need to know" but they did not even look at the full question. This was not a question of what happened in the town hall. It was more like please think of this.
The Bilble thread is a great place for people that are new to star reading about what to do and what not to do. but it really does not have a thing to do about develement.
Thanks for all the other posters I enjoyed the coments.
I was wondering if someone knew off the top of their head where text under icons on the notification pull down come from. Are they hard code or pulled from a sys var. I want to delete them. If they are code in a file what is the file name?
I have looked in a few files and I have either missed it or have not looked in the right file yet. My eyes are going cross from reading hex code.
Thanks
It's within the twframework-res.apk. I have forgotten which xml though.
Questions of this nature should be asked in Q&A section.
good day.
chopper the dog said:
It's within the twframework-res.apk. I have forgotten which xml though.
Questions of this nature should be asked in Q&A section.
good day.
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Thanks. I'll go through there again.
I was going to put it in the Q&A but its not a general question. Since it is about dev. I went ahead and put it here. Sometime its hard to decide where to post a question.
Thanks again
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979224
"Currently people are asking quite a few questions in the development section. Starting today (3/3/2011) any new question threads made in the development sections WILL be moved to the Q&A section without a redirect thread. DO NOT POST QUESTIONS IN THE DEV FORUM."
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979224
"Currently people are asking quite a few questions in the development section. Starting today (3/3/2011) any new question threads made in the development sections WILL be moved to the Q&A section without a redirect thread. DO NOT POST QUESTIONS IN THE DEV FORUM."
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And you needed to do this why? Make yourself feel like a mod? Some people need to grow up here. jeez
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And you needed to do this why? Make yourself feel like a mod? Some people need to grow up here. jeez
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He needed to do it because you obviously still believed that this question belonged in the development forum. It doesn't, as pointed out without any flaming and in a totally innocuous way. As far as I can tell the only one who needs to grow up here is you.
You made a mistake, instead of defending that mistake in the face of irrefutable proof that you are wrong, just admit it and move on. You only make yourself seem more ignorant when you get upset that people are doing their best to keep posts where they belong. Your question was a good one, just please post it in the correct board next time so we can keep the development board open for development topics.
Nothing against you man, just really getting tired of people getting so pissed off when someone tells them they are in the wrong section.
I agree, my post was in the wrong section. I thanked chopper for pointing out where I should have put it. I went back and went over ashasaur's new posting rules and saw the section he posted way before BrwnSuperman posted it.
With that said
You get pissed when someone tells a OP they are in the wrong section
I get pissed when I see people standing in line to play mod and ***** at someone
How about we agree to disagree. Everyone has a different opinion and we are all here for the same reason.
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I agree, my post was in the wrong section. I thanked chopper for pointing out where I should have put it. I went back and went over ashasaur's new posting rules and saw the section he posted way before BrwnSuperman posted it.
With that said
You get pissed when someone tells a OP they are in the wrong section
I get pissed when I see people standing in line to play mod and ***** at someone
How about we agree to disagree. Everyone has a different opinion and we are all here for the same reason.
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"I was going to put it in the Q&A but its not a general question. Since it is about dev. I went ahead and put it here. Sometime its hard to decide where to post a question."
You seemed a bit confused so I thought I would just point it out in the rules, I didn't add anything personal in.
MSHancock said:
You get pissed when someone tells a OP they are in the wrong section
I get pissed when I see people standing in line to play mod and ***** at someone
How about we agree to disagree.
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How about we agree to not let forum posts actually make us angry.
Real life is the only thing that requires an emotional response, not internet land.
Relax guys. Nobody has even insulted someone else's mother yet.
BrwnSuperman said:
"I was going to put it in the Q&A but its not a general question. Since it is about dev. I went ahead and put it here. Sometime its hard to decide where to post a question."
You seemed a bit confused so I thought I would just point it out in the rules, I didn't add anything personal in.
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Agreed. You didn't and I did by snapping at ya. For that I will say sorry.
I should have went over the new rules again since it had been awhile since my last post.
Just do what I, and many others here have done.. stop posting on XDA. It seems no matter where you post nowadays, it's the wrong section.
A development section where you can't talk about development, only announce your releases, which you must know how to do on your own, since you can't ask questions. But no app or theme releases, those go somewhere else where you can't talk about themes or apps. General, where you can't ask questions, only state factual things about anything not having to do with development, or apps, or themes, or other phones, or anything having to do with issues with your phone, especially your battery life, or a development release not working correctly, or anything somewhat resembling a request for an expert opinion, such as a release date.
In short, the rules here could easily be shortened to:
Don't post anywhere about anything. Welcome to XDA.
Caution: This post may be moved shortly, as it contains a welcome to a fellow XDA member, which may require it's placement in the XDA member chat section, or general, seeing as there are no questions, or Q&A, seeing as it answers a question, or maybe the main Android section, seeing as it has to do with the XDA forums. Either way, it
'll be in the wrong forum and I'll yet again get a long line of people hopping on the "wrong forum, asshat!" bandwagon.
Here is a tip from me to the entirety of internet users:
If you ever feel angry about someone who has "wronged" you on an internet forum, immediately call someone who doesn't use the internet as much as you (parents, significant other, non-techie best friend).
Now attempt to explain the situation to that person.
Or maybe just imagine doing this in your mind, because that's all it usually takes to realize how incredibly dumb you will then feel for getting angry about anything that happens on the internet.
Grandma: "...he told you your thread was in the wrong forum... and that makes you angry..."
You: "Ya... ok so it's a bigger deal than it sounds like. My reputation is at stake here."
Grandma: "What is a forum? Get their mothers' phone numbers and I'll have a stern talk with them."
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Here is a tip from me to the entirety of internet users:
If you ever feel angry about someone who has "wronged" you on an internet forum, immediately call someone who doesn't use the internet as much as you (parents, significant other, non-techie best friend).
Now attempt to explain the situation to that person.
Grandma: "...he told you your thread was in the wrong forum... and that makes you angry..."
You: "Ya... ok so it's a bigger deal than it sounds like. My reputation is at stake here."
Grandma: "What is a forum? Get their mothers' phone numbers and I'll have a stern talk with them."
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Or in a logical, realistic way:
You: "I spent hours upon hours learning, testing, fixing, coding and sharing something, for zero income, just to have someone nix it all out in a heartbeat for some bull**** reason."
Grandma: "I would be upset, too"
If you think real people are not on the other end of your posts, you are the reason people get angry.
MSHancock said:
Agreed. You didn't and I did by snapping at ya. For that I will say sorry.
I should have went over the new rules again since it had been awhile since my last post.
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I retract my sorry!
I went through some of your post and you do seem to have a "WANNA BE MOD" problem. Your constantly telling people where things should go.
Domush said:
If you think real people are not on the other end of your posts, you are the reason people get angry.
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The only time anyone gets upset by what I say is when they read a tone into what I'm writing that wasn't my intention. I am encouraging the reader to being less sensitive when reading posts.
If you look in other threads, you will see that I encourage the writers of posts to be concise and straight-forward but patient with requests for help or when reporting problems, instead of demanding someone else to solve their problem. Instead of getting angry about it, I let them know about how inefficient their method of approaching the issue is, and try to encourage them to make posts that help the flow of information, instead of hinder it.
Personally, I'm offended more by the fact that negativity slows down development, then that someone said something that hurts my feelings. Positive, well written posts = Better, faster development.
Let's face it, there are a lot of people in this world who, when put behind the anonymous barrier of a computer screen, lose their minds and do nothing but slow everyone down. Those people suck, but you have to find a way to deal with them.
Most other times, its just a normal person who writes something in an ambiguous way, and another person is overly sensitive when reading. Unfortunately, in android land, it seems like we attract a higher percentage of the uncouth, immature crowd who run their mouth without stopping to think about how the other person might feel. Often times, these people are also the overly sensitive ones (but not always).
So while your point is true, it really didn't apply to what I was saying. I hope this post clears that up, and also encourages a healthy attitude towards communication between developers and users.
Our forums are just full of whiney bossy people. I suggest when someone tries to correct your "error"... dont respond (unless the error is device related of course) bc when the op gets defensive in any way the other posters feel they need to defend themselves. End result.... threads like this. It is quite obviously through any persons daily routine, some people we encounter cant/dont/wont follow instruction.
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Awesome.
Not only was the question in the wrong section (and still is...), it will now get closed by a mod once one of them gets off their ass.
And one more person who needs to add thei 2 cents. This thread should have been trashed a log time ago.
clap clap clap clap (awesome content people). ataranine (good trolling).
But anywho, @OP you might find it easier to grab a twframework-res.apk that has been edited the way you want and change images if need be. Because if you find the edit that needs to be done you will still need to contend with the position and size of the other elements of the quickpanel. i.e. Once text is gone the background image for the buttons will still be drawn to the same size as if text were there and if you do edit the way that image is drawn then the padding of all other elements will need to be edited. So the lazy way will prevail on this one. Kang it.
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I don't use the G-tablet as much as I expected, so I'm considering putting it up for sale.
My question is, do you guys think it would be more desirable to a buyer if I left the custom rom (calkulin + clemsys froyo), or should I return it to stock first?
In the past, I've noticed cell phones for sale went for more when they were unmodified versus ones that advertised "rooted + Cyanogenmod!", etc. I guess because some buyers don't like thinking that the previous owner was mucking about in ways that could have bricked it or voided the warranty or something. But with the G-tablet, the stock rom was so limiting I think people might prefer something that gives access to the market and a decent launcher.
I dunno- advice, suggestions?
Most threads I've seen describe the current ROM but also offer to wipe and return to stock before shipping. It depends on the buyer. But I don't think it will affect the value one way or the other.
Just my opinion but you really should flash back to stock. That way you can rest assured any personal information is removed. The new user can do with it whatever they wish.
skeeterpro said:
Just my opinion but you really should flash back to stock. That way you can rest assured any personal information is removed. The new user can do with it whatever they wish.
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You can format it as well and load a custom ROM.
Stickies clearly state not to post Q&A in General:
NOT A Q&A FORUM - Please post in the correct location!]
Moving this thread to the correct location
jerdog said:
Stickies clearly state not to post Q&A in General:
NOT A Q&A FORUM - Please post in the correct location!]
Moving this thread to the correct location
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Thanks.
In the future, this could be avoided if you guys had a better definition of what Q&A was versus what General is supposed to be for.
If it was a question like, "How do I root my device", that's clearly Q&A. From the name of it, I picture Q&A being more FAQ type discussions. Its a question with only a minor variance in possible answers, with a clear right vs wrong.
If the thread were something like "Does anyone miss the camera on HoneyComb builds?", its more of a discussion- encouraging a conversation on the matter with no clear answer of right or wrong. Wouldn't that be more appropriate under general?
I suppose what I was asking here is more like advice, which I think would more easily fit under "general" than Q&A.
But it begs the question- if the purpose of this moderation is help organize information and make it easier for others to find in the future, is this helping? I wouldn't check the Q&A section for information like this first, because I don't think the average user would assume it would be found there. I would check general.
Just saying- I've moderated forums before, so just trying to be helpful.
Well let's look at it this way.... Is this a Question about the gTablet? It goes in gTablet Q&A. Is this general discussion about the gTablet? It goes in General.
jerdog said:
Well let's look at it this way.... Is this a Question about the gTablet? It goes in gTablet Q&A. Is this general discussion about the gTablet? It goes in General.
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Well, lets look at it this way- the content does not necessarily have to be in the form of a question.
It very well could have been:
"The merits of selling a stock G-tablet versus one with a custom rom" and then shared my thoughts, while encouraging others to discuss. I phrased it in the form of a question because I find that people are more interested in joining a discussion if it isn't just some dude's angry rant.
That being the case, I would like to argue that this belongs in General. And that the definitions need to be a lot less vague to avoid this in the future. I see that you have that sticky post saying you had to move over 200 threads.
Did you wonder perhaps if there was a greater reason so many are "misplaced" to your definition?
Not trying to make a scene or anything, but I think there is room for improvement here.
EDIT: A quick follow up. More than half of the threads in "general" appear to be questions, and not discussion starters like mine, but REAL questions, like help fixing something or how to do something specific. Those, I would say, belong in a section like Q&A. Although I would still argue that the definitions need to be less vague here if you want your job to get any easier anytime soon.
First off you are speaking about something from over 8 months ago. Secondly, you feel so strongly about it being in General? Then edit your post accordingly and it'll be moved.
As a moderator we do this out of our love for XDA and for no monetary gain. We do not, nor can we, read each and every post in each and every thread. Most of the time we action things when they are reported.
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First off you are speaking about something from over 8 months ago. Secondly, you feel so strongly about it being in General? Then edit your post accordingly and it'll be moved.
As a moderator we do this out of our love for XDA and for no monetary gain. We do not, nor can we, read each and every post in each and every thread. Most of the time we action things when they are reported.
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this is one of the reasons why people left xda to rootzwiki... mods need to chill the hell out.
Nook Tablet is known to have "extended USB" connector with bunch of extra pins in addition to standard microUSB's 5, and it seems it is the same (at least mechanically) as on Nook Color. Unfortunately, I wasn't able more specific information about the connect than this thread, and Novaports teardown picture which clearly (well, blurily) shows 17 pins, half of them apparently connected to something more interesting than power and ground.
So, is there updated information on this matter? I know folks here made hardware mods while cracking open the Tablet, so I don't believe it could escape their scrutiny. I don't suppose there's UART in there, but well, who knows, maybe charging LED is controlled by full-fledged GPIO for example ;-)
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I agree about putting it in the right forum, but this could lead to some interesting development. I would like to know what the pinout is as well. I tried finding out what the pinout was for the evo shift some time back. I had an idea for a dock/case combo that would allow full use of the physical keyboard as well as docking inside a vehicle. I had no luck with finding the pinout, so that idea went into the scrap pile.
I hope a mod simply moves this to the right thread instead of locking or deleting it.
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jsp254 said:
I agree about putting it in the right forum, but this could lead to some interesting development. I would like to know what the pinout is as well. I tried finding out what the pinout was for the evo shift some time back. I had an idea for a dock/case combo that would allow full use of the physical keyboard as well as docking inside a vehicle. I had no luck with finding the pinout, so that idea went into the scrap pile.
I hope a mod simply moves this to the right thread instead of locking or deleting it.
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This. It's starting to get annoying with all of these "mods" that aren't actually mods.
I'm sorry if this was wrong place to post this, but this is indeed more of a development question, not a random newbie's one. I did my homework, but didn't find anything regarding Nook Tablet, so figured this is a worthy topic for device enablement, and I collected initial information and links to objective info in the first message.
My second idea was to catch attention of AdamOutler and other experienced developers.
Again, I'm sorry if with all this motivation it was still wrong to post here. And I understand the mods - XDA-Developers is a huge place, so without keeping it organized it would be havoc. But I hope there's difference between "How do I install Angry Birds?"/"How to replace back cover?" and "Let's collect all info on specific device enablement feature in one visible and easily found thread in the forum where interested people will likely look for it".
Just because it can lead to development doesn't mean it is. You can always ask a MOD to move it when it is appropriate.
If you don't like people stating the rules and asking you to follow them, then I would advise you follow them. You don't have to be a mod to ask people to do so.
There is a Q&A section now that is for people's questions.
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