Some people speculate samsung will be leaving android. Would htc develop its own software also?http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57455054-94/would-samsung-ever-leave-android-new-ceo-drops-hints/
If one of them tried leaving Android, they would soon realize the mistake with their lost profits.
I am sticking with samsung. My galaxy s and galaxy s ii were simply too damn good. Even more when tizen os is android compatible
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If samsung does leave as the article speculates, i would guess google would then buy htc. It would probably allow them to have a real hands on relationship with motorola and htc. We could benefit from that.
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If one of them tried leaving Android, they would soon realize the mistake with their lost profits.
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Ditto, the application base would be nonexistent.
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Ditto, the application base would be nonexistent.
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If you mean profits from apps, I'm not sure there are a lot from android, and if anyone was big enough to pull it off it would be samsung. Worlds largest cell phone maker I believe. I did see this article about amazon making a fair amount off of apps, so it can be done.http://blog.flurry.com/bid/83604/For-Generating-App-Revenue-Amazon-Shows-Google-How-to-Play
After reading the article i think this is speculation based off words taken out of context. If you remember when Sammy announced the SGS3 they were emphasizing the software and the overall experience rather than the hardware and the power. I'm willing to be that they will start making a stronger push with Bada, but too much money is being made from the millions of galaxy devices.
The reason why HTC is as popular of a company as they are now is because of Android. They certainly weren't going to go anywhere if they invested heavily in their Windows Mobile 6.5 line. And even if they put all their eggs into the Windows Phone 7 basket, it's still not going to get them anywhere. There are more Android phones in circulation than any other phone OS on the market, it would be stupid to leave Android.
It would be a huge mistake even on Samsung's part to develop their own OS and leave android. Samsung just has to decide if they're powerful enough to accomplish it (and hey if anyone can it's probably them). Android already has many loyal users and a huge developer base, only way a new OS would be successful is to accomplish this same thing and that would not be an easy task. I don't really believe Samsung will abandon Android, maybe experiment with but that's it. I don't think HTC will either.
What the effect be on android\google if samsung did leave? It would leave them only with motorola and htc as major players correct? People always talk about fragmentation, maybe that would help solve that problem. If htc then sold a ton more phones we could then maybe end up with a better product and lets be honest htc's future is a little bit cloudy at best. (forgot about lg, do they count?)
leave android for what microsoft? LOL. Android is the only competition for Apple.. microsoft is a joke..
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leave android for what microsoft? LOL. Android is the only competition for Apple.. microsoft is a joke..
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If you are speaking of samsung, it would be to create their own OS\interface. The article was quite interesting. They are big enough and have enough money to do it, but would it be accepted is the question. I don't know if htc would have the money to do that.
htc is in dire straits financially, they already sacked their CFO, tried changing their business tactics a few times and got worse and worse results so they could get desperate enough to do something really drastic.
the problem is, what? making their own OS and forcing the market to adopt it is WAY out of their reach, they could have got on board of microsoft boat with nokia but now that microsoft is building their own hardware it has become a really, really bad move (Zune, anyone?), maybe there's sony with a viable alternative but dont look like a really profitable option.
btw, Samsung ditching Android? what? the only group that is actually making money - a lot of money - without any investment? that's just crazy.
CNET is dumb as hell. Where would HTC,Samsung,and Motorola be without android right now? Samsung has never been as profitable without the galaxy s series and the evo 4g gave HTC a huge amount of brand awareness. They have nowhere else to go and I think they are ok with that. Android is a rock solid and profitable platform.
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CNET is dumb as hell. Where would HTC,Samsung,and Motorola be without android right now? Samsung has never been as profitable without the galaxy s series and the evo 4g gave HTC a huge amount of brand awareness. They have nowhere else to go and I think they are ok with that. Android is a rock solid and profitable platform.
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But where does the profit come from? If it from apps it doesn't appear android is actually doing all that well, in fact amazon is doing a better job at it according to this article..http://blog.flurry.com/bid/83604/For-Generating-App-Revenue-Amazon-Shows-Google-How-to-Play. If samsung leaves thats a huge chunk of phones developers wont have to make money from. Android will be hurting if the developers leave also.
Samsung won't leave Android. This whole article is a huge speculation at an attempt at getting views. For one, the WSJ article it links to says a stronger look at proprietary software for smartphones, not operating system. That can be anything from touchwiz to apps for controlling their SmartTV's. The author jumps to the conclusion of a Samsung OS.
Think about it logically. Remember why Google actually bought Motorola. And look at the Author's intent.... Which is obviously to get hits.
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If one of them tried leaving Android, they would soon realize the mistake with their lost profits.
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Yeah, just like Nokia......They made a big mistake because they decided to follow windows. Nokia just launched a new winphone (lumia 900) with win7 os but yesterday microsoft launched win8 os and announced that any winphone with win7 os are unable to upgrade to win8. So I dont think Nokia will get through their bad time.
Windows 8 is terrible I don't see anybody going from android to windows.. I think people would rather jump the dark side
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Vibrant is a great phone technically speaking, but the manufacture marketing tactic is really a major upset. Months after months, they keep on focusing new product and forget about the 10M mark SGS, they still don't care about making upgrade and kept on giving false hopes. Their KIES is really bloated. I have not bought any Samsung product due to bad reputation in the past. This trick they did will likely be the last. If I have to, it will be a Google phone of some sort where you at least get that upgrade OTA early like Nexus S.
Yes. Ny first samsung phone was an eternity and now im on the captivate. The eternity was a freaking tank and was so awesome! my first touch screen too. now that I have a droid, sure I want 2.2-2.3, but we have devs for that. And my phone would be faster without samsung anyways...oc to 1.4 and ext4 lagfix. Sammy wont do any of that, plus have amazing themes too.
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I know XDA is great for us for personal use. Without XDA, my Vibrant would just be on ebay skidrow.
However, if you are in charge of deploying to 20+ phones for corporate plan, I don't think you can flash ROM and voiding warranty at the same time. CEO would be pissed if he finds out you would do that for the entire company. Users are complaining that its slow and making you look bad for months.
I don't get it...Samsung already sold 10M+, if they are smart, they need to get those users happy, to get more customer comeback in the future instead of held hostage attitude.
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For sure yes. Sure- Samsung has their issues with sucky UI and programming, but the devs over here at XDA definitely more than compensate for that. And the hardware aspects of this phone constantly impress me.
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For sure yes. Sure- Samsung has their issues with sucky UI and programming, but the devs over here at XDA definitely more than compensate for that. And the hardware aspects of this phone constantly impress me.
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I agree that they have great hardware for the moment, but it won't be long until other manufactures catch up. The hostage tactic is really unacceptable. Dual Core and 4G is coming up from other vendors. Samsung hostage tactic won't work anymore. People will have more choices now that Android is becoming mainstream by the next 2 years. There are HTC, Sony-Erricson, BB, Dell...
This poll seems to suggest that there are at least 60% attrition rate. I hope Samsung or T-Mobile is watching this and make up for it somehow later if they want the initial 6 Millions Samsung Galaxy S to return. Yes, we do feel really left out, lied, and scammed. If they surprise us with something out of ordinary then maybe people will forget, otherwise 2 year of upset is a definite no return. For now, I'll just accept the scam for 2 years, I'll wait for other vendor multi core later other than Samsung.
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This is just endemic of Android fragmentation. Google does not mandate a strict update schedule, and they really give the carriers and OEMs a little too much freedom.
Personally I believe that Google should push the OEMs and carriers to making sure the software is up to date.
I'm not going to unilaterally say I would never buy a Samsung device again, because my Vibrant has a great many advantages. I've finally gotten a Froyo ROM working satisfactorily, so I'm actually content with my phone for the first time in a long time! I love the 4" screen size--it's the sweet spot for me. The MT4G felt just a tiny bit small, but 4.3" devices such as the EVO are just too large for me.
One thing that does bother me is that the haptic feedback on the Vibrant feels really weak compared to the MT4G and other similar phones...
most of you who say no, will get another one by samsung, it all depends.
i would've gotten a HTC (forgot) from TMOBILE, but at tmobile, the only good phone they had while i was buying was a Galaxy s which i heard was the fastest phone in the world... and i got this, im dissapointed with samsung, but i can live without a GPS and updates(updates, but not for like 5 years)
i will buy another samsung phone if its one of the best out, my stock had no lag, and putting voodoo makes it feel a bit faster, but doesn't change much for me.
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This is just endemic of Android fragmentation. Google does not mandate a strict update schedule, and they really give the carriers and OEMs a little too much freedom.
Personally I believe that Google should push the OEMs and carriers to making sure the software is up to date.
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I agree with you. I think Google originally made it open and easy to recruit more OEMs to distribute their product out to the world. In doing so would surpass mobile 7 and catchup to iOS faster. Now that the world is aware of it, I think they should push OEMs to keep up to date, or else people will steer away from it and causes it to lose momentum. Google is like Microsoft. Before jumping in to Android, I thought it has the best of everything. I had good thoughts about Samsung, until I saw the truth. This whole handling of update makes me think twice about buying any other Samsung product. The hardware is great but this update issue just ruins its good image and will make others think twice about buying any other Samsung product.
I still have hope for Google tighten up security later as more hackers will now focuses in on it. If they don't push OEMs to keep up to date, it makes me wonder what happens when there is some real bad exploit that needs patching? We can't even get an update in 1/2 a year, so how can we even rely on have a patch/hotfix? I can't rely on product that has problem with udpates. I thought Microsoft was worse, but hey at least they have updates every Tuesday. Android will be linked to Google "first OS" so they have to do something to gain the positive image. Android is linux, so it should not be that hard to compile. There are plenty of folks in linux community to help out with debugging.
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most of you who say no, will get another one by samsung, it all depends.
i would've gotten a HTC (forgot) from TMOBILE, but at tmobile, the only good phone they had while i was buying was a Galaxy s which i heard was the fastest phone in the world... and i got this, im dissapointed with samsung, but i can live without a GPS and updates(updates, but not for like 5 years)
i will buy another samsung phone if its one of the best out, my stock had no lag, and putting voodoo makes it feel a bit faster, but doesn't change much for me.
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Not everyone. I know for sure, I and maybe 3 millions others will avoid Samsung like a plague. I rather go with someone who has robust update handling. I have been trying a new phone every 2 years. Last year was HTC. This is the first time I tried Samsung and will be the last. SLCD is out competing with superamoled. I'm pretty sure new technology will be out within next 2 years rival superamol. I'm pretty sure other manufactures can gain up to it.
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XDA is really great for us, especially my personal phone. I thank them for being our savior to heartburn Samsung / OEMs caused us. The problem is we can not do the same for business phones. Doing so voids warranty and no boss likes you doing that for the company. If you are the IT administrator who recommend SGS for the entire company as a great phone with over 20+ accounts (corporate discount) and now most complained it being crawling slow. You read the Tmobile facebook, news, and told them update will be out. Months after months, nada. CEO is on your arse for recommending bad phone. Now it makes you look bad because the phones you recommended does not have update after 1/2 a year and no ETA when next one available. Tell me what would you do? If I have to take a poll of the folks at work, they would probably say 90% never to Samsung. I hated boring windows Mobile, but this is worse.
I was going to buy Samsung camera in December, glad, I didn't yet.
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Not everyone. I know for sure, I and maybe 3 millions others will avoid Samsung like a plague. I rather go with someone who has robust update handling. I have been trying a new phone every 2 years. Last year was HTC. This is the first time I tried Samsung and will be the last. SLCD is out competing with superamoled. I'm pretty sure new technology will be out within next 2 years rival superamol. I'm pretty sure other manufactures can gain up to it.
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XDA is really great for us, especially my personal phone. I thank them for being our savior to heartburn Samsung / OEMs caused us. The problem is we can not do the same for business phones. Doing so voids warranty and no boss likes you doing that for the company. If you are the IT administrator who recommend SGS for the entire company as a great phone with over 20+ accounts (corporate discount) and now most complained it being crawling slow. You read the Tmobile facebook, news, and told them update will be out. Months after months, nada. CEO is on your arse for recommending bad phone. Now it makes you look bad because the phones you recommended does not have update after 1/2 a year and no ETA when next one available. Tell me what would you do? If I have to take a poll of the folks at work, they would probably say 90% never to Samsung. I hated boring windows Mobile, but this is worse.
I was going to buy Samsung camera in December, glad, I didn't yet.
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Did that actually happento u? I'm sorry.
I disagree with this phone being laggy, only some units are laggy, and I totally understand what ur saying, I come from a average consumer, while you, are a businessman, which puts alot of things in a different prescriptive.
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Did that actually happento u? I'm sorry.
I disagree with this phone being laggy, only some units are laggy, and I totally understand what ur saying, I come from a average consumer, while you, are a businessman, which puts alot of things in a different prescriptive.
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Yes. Thanks but no need to sorry. It's Samsungs mess.
I've checked about 8 phones, they were slow on bootup about (4-5 min) and slow to response after pressing home, lots of FCs, and autoreboot on few of them. I told them to don't install anything else but leave it as originals...I factory reset most of them but some users don't really listen like executive folks. What's the point of smartphone if I don't let them install some apps. I don't want them to get angry. After many months of waiting, I decided to look for alternative fixes and that lead me to XDA. I tested on my personal SGS and it works beautifully with very low lag. I even do a little further stress test installing over 250 apps to see how it respond in Froyo, it still works great. Because of that, I know Froyo will fix my problem and users will stop complain about slow phones and other issues. The Froyo are here, I know it can solve most issues, but I can't apply it. It's just frustrating waiting for OTA to happen. I can't rely on Samsung. I regret recommending a Samsung product. I should have trust my instinct and gone with more mature product like *gag* iPhone or tell them to wait a little longer. Samsung mademe look bad with so many delay to release updates. I have to keep finding excuses to the users and smile. Having gone through this one, if they ever ask me for another recommendation, I would certainly not go this route again but rather something that is made for enterprise.
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xriderx66 said:
most of you who say no, will get another one by samsung, it all depends.
i would've gotten a HTC (forgot) from TMOBILE, but at tmobile, the only good phone they had while i was buying was a Galaxy s which i heard was the fastest phone in the world... and i got this, im dissapointed with samsung, but i can live without a GPS and updates(updates, but not for like 5 years)
i will buy another samsung phone if its one of the best out, my stock had no lag, and putting voodoo makes it feel a bit faster, but doesn't change much for me.
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Stock definately has lag. I plan on purchasing the Vibrant 4G when it comes out. Samsung makes good products. The phone is sleek and sexy. It is my favorite looking smart phone out there.
Nope. By the timei need to upgrade, samsung will still be releasing galaxy s phones. I'm tired of the rehashes and releases with only a mrginal improvement, or worse, a hardware flaw from the previousmodel that they fixed with the part 2.
Such as the vibrant not having hspa+ or froyo...but the vibrant 4g has both.
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Nope. By the timei need to upgrade, samsung will still be releasing galaxy s phones. I'm tired of the rehashes and releases with only a mrginal improvement, or worse, a hardware flaw from the previousmodel that they fixed with the part 2.
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According to the leak info, a fix is consider a "feature upgrade" and US carriers need to pay for it.
Such as the vibrant not having hspa+ or froyo...but the vibrant 4g has both.
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That's a "feature upgrade" too I guess. They are milking us every step of their phases.
I just saw the news said Samsung Nexus S will have autofocus...that's a new feature upgrade. Yeap everything is a feature upgrade and it comes in the form of a new phone...I guess that is their business model.
yes, if Team Whiskey supports it
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yes, if Team Whiskey supports it
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I hope you did not think they generate new software from scratch so you can load up and make it work better. Or reverse engineering to recompile into a ROM from scratch. If so, you are in for a shock. You do know that Samsung is part of OpenHandsetAlliance right? And supposed to be "open" even with apache license. Otherwise they just a corporate leach and have just fooled people to buying their product for thinking they'd be open by being member of the alliance.
This poll suggest at least 60% are unhappy with Samsung, 2 years from now, the tune might be different about Samsung product. 60% of 10M is alot. Even 10% of that is still alot. I see at least 2 Millions not coming back. Android will be everywhere. Samsung will not be the only phone maker having Android in there 2.2 or 2.3..whatever. We won't be tied down to just haveing Samsung to choose anymore by next 2 years. Without much interest in it, there won't be that many developers to make ROM for you.
The lesson I get from this is I might not buy another OEM again and steer away from Samsung. I rather buy Google phone like Nexus 1 or S so I can get update on time. I heard others said Samsung product break down fast and support was terrible since the 80s. I should have listen to them.
http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/14/hackers-crack-siri-to-work-on-any-device/
Just seen this, would be great to see this on the 3D, then what could a iphone owner say .... nothing!
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http://www.bgr.com/2011/11/14/hackers-crack-siri-to-work-on-any-device/
Just seen this, would be great to see this on the 3D, then what could a iphone owner say .... nothing!
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iPhone owners already can say nothing. Their cloud "innovation"... we've had that via Google for years. Siri... we've had that for a while too. Search the market for Jeannie (AKA Voice Actions). I put Voice Actions up against Siri the other day at lunch and Siri got literally every question borked. Voice Actions on Android did much better. We asked Siri "What are the nine planets". It said, "I found six planets... the closest is 2.2 miles from you." I hope not! We asked Voice Actions the same thing and it came up with a picture of the solar system plus a description of the planets. Other questions went similarly. The iPhone junkies at the table were REALLY impressed when I asked Voice Actions "Show me some boobies". Then I showed them the results and said, "Try THAT on your iPhone!"
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iPhone owners already can say nothing. Their cloud "innovation"... we've had that via Google for years. Siri... we've had that for a while too. Search the market for Jeannie (AKA Voice Actions). I put Voice Actions up against Siri the other day at lunch and Siri got literally every question borked. Voice Actions on Android did much better. We asked Siri "What are the nine planets". It said, "I found six planets... the closest is 2.2 miles from you." I hope not! We asked Voice Actions the same thing and it came up with a picture of the solar system plus a description of the planets. Other questions went similarly. The iPhone junkies at the table were REALLY impressed when I asked Voice Actions "Show me some boobies". Then I showed them the results and said, "Try THAT on your iPhone!"
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Lol brilliant
I don't understand why the hate between the two OSs , I don't think it should be competition between the user if no the company that mades, that way they can improved and the winner is the user , btw I think apple would sued whoever uses Siri in another OS
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I don't understand why the hate between the two OSs , I don't think it should be competition between the user if no the company that mades, that way they can improved and the winner is the user , btw I think apple would sued whoever uses Siri in another OS
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hate builds brand loyalty.
jgalan14 said:
I don't understand why the hate between the two OSs , I don't think it should be competition between the user if no the company that mades, that way they can improved and the winner is the user , btw I think apple would sued whoever uses Siri in another OS
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You must not talk to too many Apple fanboys. All day long, they talk about how their phone is superior to any other. I laugh when my co-workers literally say their iPhones are better than my EVO 3D.
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You must not talk to too many Apple fanboys. All day long, they talk about how their phone is superior to any other. I laugh when my co-workers literally say their iPhones are better than my EVO 3D.
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God my company issues iPhones as a company phones (mostly to Execs and ITs) and they brag so much about their iPhone that I die a little inside each day. Something about that Apple brand that makes them believe they are top hip elitist. I don't hate Apple, I hate the people who worship it
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I don't understand why the hate between the two OSs , I don't think it should be competition between the user if no the company that mades, that way they can improved and the winner is the user , btw I think apple would sued whoever uses Siri in another OS
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Hrmm, I think part of it on anyone other than Apple's OS definitely has to do with Apple becoming what they advertised against. The breakout Apple commercial was that woman coming and throwing a sledgehammer at Big Brother - one way of doing things, one computer, one order.
They became that - they advertise artistic and non-conformist and people line up and say "I'm so different" as they purchase something they can't make a change to without jail breaking the OS.
Last I checked, if you want to develop for iOS you have to pay to play. I may be off on that as it has been a while since I checked.
Apple shooting lawsuits left and right for "stolen innovations" such as "slide to wake up" have not been engendering kindness.
The marketing and legal departments have been fueling the dislike, and posers who get phones for a status symbol.
There's a long and well documented lead in to the hate, and in the end it works extremely well to line various company's coffers.
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Hrmm, I think part of it on anyone other than Apple's OS definitely has to do with Apple becoming what they advertised against. The breakout Apple commercial was that woman coming and throwing a sledgehammer at Big Brother - one way of doing things, one computer, one order.
They became that - they advertise artistic and non-conformist and people line up and say "I'm so different" as they purchase something they can't make a change to without jail breaking the OS.
Last I checked, if you want to develop for iOS you have to pay to play. I may be off on that as it has been a while since I checked.
Apple shooting lawsuits left and right for "stolen innovations" such as "slide to wake up" have not been engendering kindness.
The marketing and legal departments have been fueling the dislike, and posers who get phones for a status symbol.
There's a long and well documented lead in to the hate, and in the end it works extremely well to line various company's coffers.
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And yet, they sell more and more phones everyday. I loathe the company itself. I like their products. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch are GREAT devices, but they're not Android. And they're not even close, IMO. I have an iPad issued to me from work. The only thing I use it for is to read, watch movies (that I get outside of iTunes), and listen to music (Pandora/Shoutcast/Music I download outside of iTunes).
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And yet, they sell more and more phones everyday. I loathe the company itself. I like their products. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch are GREAT devices, but they're not Android. And they're not even close, IMO. I have an iPad issued to me from work. The only thing I use it for is to read, watch movies (that I get outside of iTunes), and listen to music (Pandora/Shoutcast/Music I download outside of iTunes).
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I think there's also some sort inherent disconnect between camps.
Apple people think they have the greatest device because it looks pretty.
Android people think they have the greatest device because the hardware is faster and you can make it look pretty.
Apple people think that if you have to work to make your device look and perform awesome that it's you who is making it awesome, not the product. (IE you win Android fail)
Android people think that if you can't make it look and perform like you want then you're a moron or the phone is crap.
It's sort of like a broken down 57 Chevy. An Apple lover looks and sees rust and decay, and Android user sees potential - HTC didn't make Sense awesome, but I can.
It all gets worse when you have people on both sides who don't want to learn anything and believe their respective marketing departments.
Any interest in this or shall we keep debating Apples to Orang-uh hum! Droids?
my dislike for the company is in the fact they spout innovation yet they are always a year behind the rest. hell look windows 7 phone has 4g now where is it for the almighty iphone? They spout innovation on their new ios and android has already had it on of their phones for a year. and the masses to dumb to realize they are paying extra money for a phone that is at least a year behind the curve. And yet the iphone fan boys think their phone is the best then i ask what makes it better then i pull out my evo 3d and im like had that since.... and had that since..... their ignorance drives me up the wall
I know still off topic but when is Google going to throw a lawsuit in apples face for the ios5 notification pulldown menu? Innovation my ass
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I know still off topic but when is Google going to throw a lawsuit in apples face for the ios5 notification pulldown menu? Innovation my ass
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they cant due to the fact android is open source i believe
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they cant due to the fact android is open source i believe
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I'm more interested with the fact apple got issued that patent for the basic slide unlock. Didn't Google have this out first? Didn't think apple could patent stuff Google had already releases open source wise.
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Well I see in a different way, sure iPhone 4s looks outdated because it doesn't have lte or WiMAX, in my experience lte is really nice too bad it has more lost signal then 3G and WiMAX is ok but man does it suck, I used 4G on my OG evo for a few months and stop using it , it just sucks I prefer 3G also in battery life 4G sucks at that right now, they need to come out with a new battery tech or wtv, I have an iPhone 4S, evo 3d, nexus s (tmobile) and my old 3GS and after playing with them I prefer both, i do prefer an iPad instead of android tablet but that might because of the apps, is nice to read books on my iPad or watch YouTube, and some apps for work , if android tablets would have a nice spreadsheets app and maybe some better apps ill probably go for it, but maybe another 6 months before that, the new asus table (quad core) looks nice but will see
I love android far more than I love Apple, but I have to admit that apple was the innovation that started the smartphone race. Even though I believe Android is much better that Apple now, I believe there wouldn't be Android if it wasn't for Apple. Flame me if you want...
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I love android far more than I love Apple, but I have to admit that apple was the innovation that started the smartphone race. Even though I believe Android is much better that Apple now, I believe there wouldn't be Android if it wasn't for Apple. Flame me if you want...
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Apple made the smartphone stylish. Treo made the smartphone useful. I was checking corporate email while apple was still ensuring cases expose their logo on the back.
If anyone started using siri other than apple, they will shut you down quicker than you can brag to your friends about it.
The andiod os was oringinally going to be the google os back in like 2004 but when things didnt work out and google saw that the iphone take off they applied it to smart phones
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397729,00.asp
Essentially saying that it's pretty much dead already.
I never bought the hype around it. Unless Google lays down the law..they will always half ass give updates.
They don't make money upgrading existing devices when they can just crank out new devices with minimal upgrades.
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Yeah I'm surprised they even bothered agreeing to such an 'alliance' when carriers would have to sacrifice their bloatware and faster phone turnover. On the plus side it seems like HTC will be focusing more on quality over quantity. A few mouths back there was an article on them using better camera hardware, another article discussed better sound I believe, and last week I read how they are slimming down the number of devices so they can concentrate more on a smaller lineup.
That being said I would like to see a pure Google phone from HTC/Sprint. Sitting around waiting for them to release OS updates is a joke, not to mention the hoops devs jump through in order to bring us ROMS.
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Yeah I'm surprised they even bothered agreeing to such an 'alliance' when carriers would have to sacrifice their bloatware and faster phone turnover. On the plus side it seems like HTC will be focusing more on quality over quantity. A few mouths back there was an article on them using better camera hardware, another article discussed better sound I believe, and last week I read how they are slimming down the number of devices so they can concentrate more on a smaller lineup.
That being said I would like to see a pure Google phone from HTC/Sprint. Sitting around waiting for them to release OS updates is a joke, not to mention the hoops devs jump through in order to bring us ROMS.
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I'm a huge fan of HTC and Sense, I just don't see HTC making a "Google Phone" with Sense. It'll be another Nexus One.
Truth of the matter is Google can't force OEMs and Carriers to update older devices to whatever is the latest and greatest.
OEMs are not compensated for their add ins (TouchWiz, Sense, etc). If there was some direct compensation by Google they would feel obligated to bring out timely updates.
As some of you know, the OEMs do this to differentiate themselves from the android pack.
Also from a marketing standpoint, it hurts sales if their older models had the newest OS. There would be no incentive to upgrade your handset if it runs everything you already have.
Fragmentation is here to stay unless Google makes OEMs release two different updates for each phone. One with vanilla (working drivers etc) and one with the add-ins.
Zabalba said:
Truth of the matter is Google can't force OEMs and Carriers to update older devices to whatever is the latest and greatest.
OEMs are not compensated for their add ins (TouchWiz, Sense, etc). If there was some direct compensation by Google they would feel obligated to bring out timely updates.
As some of you know, the OEMs do this to differentiate themselves from the android pack.
Also from a marketing standpoint, it hurts sales if their older models had the newest OS. There would be no incentive to upgrade your handset if it runs everything you already have.
Fragmentation is here to stay unless Google makes OEMs release two different updates for each phone. One with vanilla (working drivers etc) and one with the add-ins.
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+1.
This is why I love teams like CM who create AOSP roms from source...
Android being so "open" is actually why everything is so fragmented. It won't change...it may even get worse as companies continue tap-dance around it and consumers get tired of asking why. Eventually we'll just accept it.
Sadly, if you want all the updates then you'll have to move away from android.
Rippley05 said:
+1.
This is why I love teams like CM who create AOSP roms from source...
Android being so "open" is actually why everything is so fragmented. It won't change...it may even get worse as companies continue tap-dance around it and consumers get tired of asking why. Eventually we'll just accept it.
Sadly, if you want all the updates then you'll have to move away from android.
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Or buy a Nexus (just bought my first one)
spencer88 said:
Or buy a Nexus (just bought my first one)
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No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
Rippley05 said:
No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
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I was just throwing it out there, as that's the only official method of getting an Android phone that gets immediate updates.
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I was just throwing it out there, as that's the only official method of getting an Android phone that gets immediate updates.
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Yea I know man, I really wasn't trying to be a jackwod about it either.
The whole deal is just an unfortunate circumstance that comes with being an Android owner.
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No offense, but, I hate when people say this..
My options of getting a Nexus
1. Leave Sprint and buy a Galaxy Nexus, Can't and won't do it..especially for a craphole like Verizon.
2. Buy a terribly dated Nexus S that was getting old when Sprint first started selling it. No thank you..
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Could also get a GSM Nexus and T-mobile or At&t...
rstuckmaier said:
Could also get a GSM Nexus and T-mobile or At&t...
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Which still falls under option 1.
I happen to be under contract and overall happy with what I get from Sprint. Never any nickel and dime surprises on my bill that I got relentlessly from AT&T and Verizon.
We are basically stuck, but it is what it is. Money makes the world go'round and we should be happy we get updates at all I guess..
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Yea I know man, I really wasn't trying to be a jackwod about it either.
The whole deal is just an unfortunate circumstance that comes with being an Android owner.
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Very true. I'd rather be in this situation than be in the iTunes world, that's for sure.
I personally think that CyanogenMod should release their own line of phones.
Why wait and hope for someone to make exactly what we all really want? Just build it.
I do think I would honestly move ASAP to any carrier that allowed a such a phone on their network.
I can only imagine all the hurdles to get over to make it happen, but, wouldn't it be sweet??
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I personally think that CyanogenMod should release their own line of phones.
Why wait and hope for someone to make exactly what we all really want? Just build it.
I do think I would honestly move ASAP to any carrier that allowed a such a phone on their network.
I can only imagine all the hurdles to get over to make it happen, but, wouldn't it be sweet??
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I hope this never happens. Cyanogen would just become another OEM, and would need to make decisions about what phones to upgrade, when to upgrade those phones, and which ones to leave behind. Plus, Cyanogen also needs dev support from members of each type of phone they support. So, if a dev goes to a different phone, the support for that phone will either need to be transferred to another dev, or support may be dropped. Right now, the cyanogen team is on top of the world. I want them to stay there.
What I would like is for manufacturers like motorola and htc to treat their boot loaders more like Samsung, and LG. They don't need to be encrypted.
Lets not kid ourselves on the 7.8 update folks, as its not going to offer anything more than resizing the tiles.
Now that we have been abandoned, we should demand that HTC/microsoft release the source and unlock the bootloaders so we can flash an OS of our choosing.
I believe that ICS would run smoothly on our radars. If it could be done with HD2, it can be done with the radar.
What do you folks think?
Does ics run smoothly on hd2?
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From what I get on their site, they have several ics roms that are working well. Having a choice is always nice.
I support the OP !!
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I support the OP !!
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i'm sorry for the offtopic, but what that |OP| stands for?
File_Submit said:
i'm sorry for the offtopic, but what that |OP| stands for?
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OP means 'original poster' So here it means i support this guy "ibnturab" as he is the OP
Well, we already have a EOL device at the 6 month Mark, give or take. Microsoft said they didn't want fragmentation like android, but here it comes already. My radar is put back in the box and I'm back to android for functionality. My radar is the LAST WP product I will buy. Look at the poor bastards who jumped on the Lumia 900 just a couple months ago. I'm sorry but Microsoft had to know that all these new devices wouldn't run WP8, but they decided to snow ball their consumers instead of being open and honest.
Now Nokia has all these phones they built that I'm sure people won't buy now with the info just released. Nokia is already hanging by a thread.
End of rant....
My time is now done in Windows phone forums. Good luck guys.
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@awrnsmn, I totally agree with you. I'm seriously considering selling it. Its shame thought, I love the hardware, and the battery is the best I've seen yet in a smartphone. And the dedicated camera button is superb. But, in the end, we all want functionality so I'm likely gonna list this on ebay.
I'm considering the HTC amaze but I've read mixed things on battery. I'm also looking into the ATrix 2.
android on htc radar
I guess we have to wait and see if there is anybody clever enough to get ics running on a radar. I guess i will give it a try when its there. Not because i need it, but because it can
I know I said my time was done here but.....well anyway. What bothers me the most about all of this is Microsoft was really on to something with WP, it could of been a fantastic os to rival the big 2, but with the decisions their making they're killing already......sad because I USED to like where they were going with it.
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IMHO, after my contact is up I will be switching over to Android. *The next Nexus preferably* unless MS could come with something that will make me want to get WP8. Jelly Bean and Operation Butter literally kill my love for WP7.5. :crying:
http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/24/apple-samsung-respond-september-20th-injunction-hearing/
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These threads should be banned, as they generate little to no actual discussion.
Sure, it sucks for Samsung. But a lot of what Apple went after them for at least made a little sense. Samsung blatantly copied Apple in many situations. And even if there were examples of prior technology that fit the case, Apple was able to show that Samsung intentionally copied Apple's work instead of basing work off of said prior technology.
Before we start a circlejerk of people condemning Apple and all of its employees to hell, please realize that this was a legitimate legal decision and the people who made this decision put a lot of thought into it. I'm not happy that Samsung lost either, but I also believe that they lost for a reason.
SoraX64 said:
These threads should be banned, as they generate little to no actual discussion.
Sure, it sucks for Samsung. But a lot of what Apple went after them for at least made a little sense. Samsung blatantly copied Apple in many situations. And even if there were examples of prior technology that fit the case, Apple was able to show that Samsung intentionally copied Apple's work instead of basing work off of said prior technology.
Before we start a circlejerk of people condemning Apple and all of its employees to hell, please realize that this was a legitimate legal decision and the people who made this decision put a lot of thought into it. I'm not happy that Samsung lost either, but I also believe that they lost for a reason.
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i agree with sorax64....part of Samsung success with galaxy s versions is that Samsung copied Apple's work...
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This is why i only buy HTC. If i wanted an iphone clone i would buy Samsung.
eric00716 said:
This is why i only buy HTC. If i wanted an iphone clone i would buy Samsung.
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eric00716!!!! i agree with you bro
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This major win with a major competitor will only give birth to a whole new round of suits and new strategy that will probably lead to us being phucked over. The realization of apple being a monopoly is becoming ever more true. You think the bs we had to put up with when our EVOs were held in customs was crap, just wait. I see bad things heading our way. I know Samsung copied apple. We all said that awhile ago. But jeez, if the courts will agree with apple that a rectangle with rounded corners is copying, then what does that say for us?
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Edit: Disregard, I don't want to continue this conversation.
If I was running apples legal department I would Sue Samsung also they are tearing there sales apart all apple needs to do to dominate the market again is make more choices for there phone bigger screens easy hacking and better ui improvements come on apple dust off those thinking caps and make a new product instead of pumping out the same phone every year.
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Maybe apple deserved this one...but This sets precedent.for apple to go ape**** on everyone ..and they will...they just acquired another billion dollars ..enough to have a full time kill android legal team for 200 years
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Maybe apple deserved this one...but This sets precedent.for apple to go ape**** on everyone ..and they will...they just acquired another billion dollars ..enough to have a full time kill android legal team for 200 years
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Ha.. A billion dollars. Should be able to pay their lawyers with that.
It's not like Apple is going to be able to go willy nilly on other OEMs now. They don't have the resources for that, and if they keep it up, Google will eventually step in.
Exactly that's what I'm saying...apple isnt gonna stop at this..google is gonna need to get involved..which it looks like they did with the Motorola suit..everyone knows moto is an ip bank..
I wonder what type of phones the judge and members of the jury use?
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As much as I love Android, I kind of have to agree that some of the devices that Samsung were making did look like iFails. Hell, I think Touchwiz does. I will say though, that Apple suing anyone for stealing ideas when they themselves have done so repeatedly in the past is just bs.
Here's the break down of what was infringed. Placement of home button? Thin frame with rounded corners? Serious!? I'm no Samsung fan, but for the sake of our future of android devices I was rooting for Sammy.
http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/25/br...oom-victory-over-samsung/?icid=eng_latest_art
Hahaha its already begun:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30692579
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Like I.said..that's the scary part..they went to court with these bs patents and they won..now every phone that has those traits can be targeted..this is just the beggning im afraid..esp when its prob difficult to find a jury that isn't a iPhone or android user ..and its the patent that's the issue..once granted the court will uphold their decision..that's where reform needs to begin
I wouldn't worry. This will probably be overturned. A lot of mistakes by the jury.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews Sent from my EVO using xda premium
I can see it now. 10 minutes after the court case is over. The judge and jury walk back to their cars talking on their IPhones... Lol
WUESTSIDER X!
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This thread has turned out better than one from yesterday started by the "law school" guy
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fpineda101 said:
This thread has turned out better than one from yesterday started by the "law school" guy
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That's like saying the dump you took today didn't smell as bad as the one you took yesterday.
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That's like saying the dump you took today didn't smell as bad as the one you took yesterday.
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Funny since a lot of people around here do believe that their chit don't stink.... :beer:
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