Do these two phones have identical hardware but different firmware, so that flashing for example the CM9 mod would make them identical, or do their hardware differs from each other, considering different band support and lack of LTE on T-Mobile?
Thank you.
For the most part hardware seems yo be same... you may have to switch the modems though. Expect a common Cm9 base and then a zip flash for each service provider.
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Hopefully there will be some good collaboration between the ATT/Tmo (and possibly some parts from Sprint/Verizon) devs since the hardware is so similar.
It opens up the possibilities for a lot more ROMs!
Actually my question was more about the possibility to use the devices across the networks using custom mods (e.g. to use the I747 on the T-Mobile network).
Thank you.
mikhailmv said:
Actually my question was more about the possibility to use the devices across the networks using custom mods (e.g. to use the I747 on the T-Mobile network).
Thank you.
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You can do this without mods but you won't have access to the 3g band on TMo just like TMo won't have access to the LTE 4g ATT Band...flashing a diff modem/radio won't give you the missing bands unless the hardware actually supports them and its just locked out...which currently isnt known.
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You can do this without mods but you won't have access to the 3g band on TMo just like TMo won't have access to the LTE 4g ATT Band...flashing a diff modem/radio won't give you the missing bands unless the hardware actually supports them and its just locked out...which currently isnt known.
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That is what my question was about. So the answer is unknown.
Thank you.
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That is what my question was about. So the answer is unknown.
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It's a very valid question… the AT&T Galaxy S III is $550 out of contract; the T-Mobile version, $630.
If you're paying out of pocket, $80 less for what amounts to the same device (arguably, the AT&T one is better since it has an LTE radio) is nothing to sneeze at.
I am having the same question as well.
The situation here is the same to what I have as Rogers/Bell/Telus vs Wind/Mobilicity
I'd like the flexibility to use the phone across the network since the new carriers charge way cheaper than the big 3....
I suppose the hardware between the two model are identical. All support the same band 850 900 1700 2100 (AWS/LTE). Only the AWS version has the LTE radio disabled and HSPA 42 enabled???
It should work, the phone is locked to att thou. You will have to have it unlocked. But the skyrocket and the hercules were interchangeable between networks. But the international will not work on lte or Hspa.
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Micronads said:
It should work, the phone is locked to att thou. You will have to have it unlocked. But the skyrocket and the hercules were interchangeable between networks. But the international will not work on lte or Hspa.
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So you are saying that that radio modules of these two phones are identical. Meaning that T989 supports LTE, and I747 supports the 1700 band (they just have to be unlocked).
I'm gettin mine unlocked and using it on straight talk t mobile. I need to get that hspa 42 workin. It's just software. From what I gather, once t mobile rolls out their LTE they may just release a firmware update enabling LTE on the t mobile galaxy sIII's. This phone is a seven band monster world phone. To such an extent that carriers are turning features off.
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So you are saying that that radio modules of these two phones are identical. Meaning that T989 supports LTE, and I747 supports the 1700 band (they just have to be unlocked).
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All the radio modules on this phone are integrated in the S4 processor. And the processor is identical. One would have to conclude, that yes, that is the case.
From a strictly electrical background the modem is software running on transistors which can handle being pushed to the frequencies T-mobile requires, so I would think that it would be doable with the right software. When a transistor has the ability to handle the current and frequency the rest would be a matter of software, I assume.
As for LTE I have no knowledge as to the hardware or if there its something missing in non LTEs.
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I am having the same question as well.
The situation here is the same to what I have as Rogers/Bell/Telus vs Wind/Mobilicity
I'd like the flexibility to use the phone across the network since the new carriers charge way cheaper than the big 3....
I suppose the hardware between the two model are identical. All support the same band 850 900 1700 2100 (AWS/LTE). Only the AWS version has the LTE radio disabled and HSPA 42 enabled???
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I have unlocked (Sim Unlocked) my SGSIII I747 from Bell and it works with Rogers and all... however i do not have a micro sim from Wind or Mobilcity to test it... however i wiill go to a few stores to test it out... if it works... which i assume it should.... but there are so many factors that it might not....
However, if someone like tomin.... i cant rememebr his id can provide an interchangable flashable modem for the two phones i747 could be used on aws 1700 using the radio from t999.
See the chart on Wikipedia
Samsung Galaxy S III Model variants
I've looked at the specs sheet from samsung.com and it's the same thing.
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Unlocked as in correect combination of software loaded on the phone to correspond with the carrier, not simply unlocking the phone. More like unleashing its potential.
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It is interesting as its normally a possibility with Galaxy devices. This is a bit different since they have used slightly different models. We won't know until we get flashable radios and someone is brave enough to try to flash it on their device. I know with the Skyrocket I was able to flash a T-Mobile radio and get a 3G signal on wind (same type of network but in canada). The only limit was that you couldn't take a t-mobile version, flash at&t's radio and get LTE.
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It is interesting as its normally a possibility with Galaxy devices. This is a bit different since they have used slightly different models. We won't know until we get flashable radios and someone is brave enough to try to flash it on their device. I know with the Skyrocket I was able to flash a T-Mobile radio and get a 3G signal on wind (same type of network but in canada). The only limit was that you couldn't take a t-mobile version, flash at&t's radio and get LTE.
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It would be great if we ca use the same technique to make i747 work with Wind & Mobilcity and make it just like T999
Any Luck>>>
it's good finally there's not that big of a difference in hardware and looks vs the Galaxy s2. too many variants makes it difficult to buy any accessories
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Just like on the Samsung Infuse 4G, ATT's radio on the SGSII restricts the band selection\alternate carrier selection when using different SIMs .... are there any radios yet that can be flashed to disable this limitation yet? Flying to Asia tomorrow so would be nice to have the ability.
As far as I knew it has nothing to do with the Carrier software (at least it doesn't with non-android phones I have. They have a manual selection menu hidden, it's just the SIM locks it down.
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As far as I knew it has nothing to do with the Carrier software (at least it doesn't with non-android phones I have. They have a manual selection menu hidden, it's just the SIM locks it down.
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Well if a sim locks it down that's a carrier restriction
If all you want is Sim unlock, get your Sim unlock code. ROM or modem won't make that happen.
There are a few ways to unlock your phone. Do a search.
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If all you want is Sim unlock, get your Sim unlock code. ROM or modem won't make that happen.
There are a few ways to unlock your phone. Do a search.
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Not to be rude but there's more to it than that... I travel internationally weekly and you're correct when it comes to using country specific Sims in thosecountries bit not when it comes to using a "country x" sim in "country z" on an att phone. I went through this with infuse too and flashing Rogers radio solves the issue. Its an att imposed limitation.
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That is because if you are using AT&T Sim, there is a built in preferred carrier list from
AT&T to keep the cost down, to At&t, not necessary to you.
IIRC, if you Sim unlock and use a local Sim, you will have the option to manually select network.
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That is because if you are using AT&T Sim, there is a built in preferred carrier list from
AT&T to keep the cost down, to At&t, not necessary to you.
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Right and that's why I said yo don't understand because I'm not referring to att Sims. Its a function of the radio and affects any sim hence why I had to flash the Rogers radio
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That is because if you are using AT&T Sim, there is a built in preferred carrier list from AT&T to keep the cost down, to At&t, not necessary to you.
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Known as a PRL (preferred roaming list) but this does not effect the ability to use a different SIM. The PRL is on the SIM not on the phone. Typically, you have the option on the device to ignore the PRL and do a manual network selection but only if the subsidy lock allows it.
bella92108 said:
Right and that's why I said yo don't understand because I'm not referring to att Sims. Its a function of the radio and affects any sim hence why I had to flash the Rogers radio
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You should be able to remove the subsidy lock without having to change the modem firmware. As for the band selection, a modem from the international version of SGSII is probably your best bet. But do a search to see what happens when applying different modems for overseas use.
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Well if a sim locks it down that's a carrier restriction
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But that's not a carrier software and will not be resolved by flashing a different Modem software.
ianwood said:
Known as a PRL (preferred roaming list) but this does not effect the ability to use a different SIM. The PRL is on the SIM not on the phone. Typically, you have the option on the device to ignore the PRL and do a manual network selection but only if the subsidy lock allows it.
You should be able to remove the subsidy lock without having to change the modem firmware. As for the band selection, a modem from the international version of SGSII is probably your best bet. But do a search to see what happens when applying different modems for overseas use.
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Yeah, that's the issue is I need to be able to select a carrier. The phone is sim unlocked, but it's preferring a different carrier than I need to be using. Any way to free myself from being able to get the international version? Won't the International version not have the appropriate "4G" AT&T frequency\technology?
Thanks!
As a side note, I'm in Bangkok at the moment. I just grabbed a dtac one day sim (cause using local sims work, it's just when using foreign roaming sims i have the att issue selecting a carrier manually), and whatever category of HSPA+ they're using is rockin no a mofo... I'm getting 11mbps down and 2.44mbps upload. Now THAT seems more like "4G" than anything we have back home in the US, hehe.
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But that's not a carrier software and will not be resolved by flashing a different Modem software.
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Not true, on the Infuse and this phone, it's ATT's radio that prevents manual selection of networks. If you take an infuse, and unlock, then try to manually select a network operator, the menu is grayed out. If you then flash the rogers radio, wa=lahh... the network selection is available.
Yea, this restriction has nothing to do with the SIM. It's the AT&T-customized radio that's in our phones. The AT&T Android also removes the 3g/2g toggle, but that has nothing to do with the radio, and is a simple Android tweak.
I think we're gonna have to wait and see if an I9100 modem will work with our GS2s and if it will support both 850 Mhz and 1900 Mhz WCDMA...
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Yea, this restriction has nothing to do with the SIM. It's the AT&T-customized radio that's in our phones. The AT&T Android also removes the 3g/2g toggle, but that has nothing to do with the radio, and is a simple Android tweak.
I think we're gonna have to wait and see if an I9100 modem will work with our GS2s and if it will support both 850 Mhz and 1900 Mhz WCDMA...
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Yeah. I'm finding that it's not a huge deal anyhow w\ Google Voice. More and more while travelling I want to use my phone for internet, and thats never cost effective for using a global roaming sim like Tru anyhow. Here DTAC, the biggest carrier just turned on "4G" (funny enough they call it 4G+ haha), and I'm getting 10mbps+ down and 2.5mbps+ upload. It's crazy-fast compared to my ATT at home. And for 30 Thai Baht per 24 hours it's unlimited data and unlimited local calls. Can't beat that. Here until Friday, so for $5 I have a week of amazingly fast internet.
Question for you. Does the International unlocked version have the ability to use the same HSPA+ frequencies and work fine on ATT? I like that idea if it does, seems a lot more people developing for it. But I'm not sure I can give up having 4 capacitive touch keys having had them for 2 phones now, hehe. A physical button just looks so old-fashioned, hehe.
Thanks!
bella92108 said:
Question for you. Does the International unlocked version have the ability to use the same HSPA+ frequencies and work fine on ATT? I like that idea if it does, seems a lot more people developing for it. But I'm not sure I can give up having 4 capacitive touch keys having had them for 2 phones now, hehe. A physical button just looks so old-fashioned, hehe.
Thanks!
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International version of GS2 has quad-band HSPA+ radio (supports all AT&T bands w/o problems) while AT&T GS2 has only tri-band HSPA+. If you travel a lot internationally and want local 3G/4G data speed, international vesion is a better choice.
foxbat121 said:
International version of GS2 has quad-band HSPA+ radio (supports all AT&T bands w/o problems) while AT&T GS2 has only tri-band HSPA+. If you travel a lot internationally and want local 3G/4G data speed, international vesion is a better choice.
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That seems like it'd solve my issues. Just wish it had the 4 capacitive buttons not the silly big button.
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foxbat121 said:
International version of GS2 has quad-band HSPA+ radio (supports all AT&T bands w/o problems) while AT&T GS2 has only tri-band HSPA+. If you travel a lot internationally and want local 3G/4G data speed, international vesion is a better choice.
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Any idea what the best going price on these is? I'll look at the market here in BKK
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foxbat121 said:
International version of GS2 has quad-band HSPA+ radio (supports all AT&T bands w/o problems) while AT&T GS2 has only tri-band HSPA+. If you travel a lot internationally and want local 3G/4G data speed, international vesion is a better choice.
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That may not be the case.
The Captivate had a published "tri-band UMTS radio w/ 850/1900/2100" support, but in reality the radio supported 850/900/1900/2100. Suspect it's the same case with the SGH-i777. Further, the potentially missing UMTS/WCDMA band (900 MHz) is used in very few places, and almost no where exclusively.
But back on topic:
When I have some more time and feel like mucking around, I might run through a bunch of different i9100 modems and see what happens.
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That may not be the case.
The Captivate had a published "tri-band UMTS radio w/ 850/1900/2100" support, but in reality the radio supported 850/900/1900/2100. Suspect it's the same case with the SGH-i777. Further, the potentially missing UMTS/WCDMA band (900 MHz) is used in very few places, and almost no where exclusively.
But back on topic:
When I have some more time and feel like mucking around, I might run through a bunch of different i9100 modems and see what happens.
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Hmmm. If the phones were physically identical I'd have done the i9100 in a heartbeat. For me the radio issue is annoying .
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Any idea what the best going price on these is? I'll look at the market here in BKK
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In US, i9100 is around $550 to $600 but none of them come with any US warranty, only international warranty which ironically excludes US.
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That may not be the case.
The Captivate had a published "tri-band UMTS radio w/ 850/1900/2100" support, but in reality the radio supported 850/900/1900/2100. Suspect it's the same case with the SGH-i777. Further, the potentially missing UMTS/WCDMA band (900 MHz) is used in very few places, and almost no where exclusively.
But back on topic:
When I have some more time and feel like mucking around, I might run through a bunch of different i9100 modems and see what happens.
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This same thing is true with the i777. And turning on the 900MHz band is done with the same method. Not sure if it will stick though.
Once unlocked,will the i777 be able to access data at 3G and 4G speeds on T-Mobile USA's cellular network?
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Once unlocked,will the i777 be able to access data at 3G and 4G speeds on T-Mobile USA's cellular network?
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to put it plainly,
NO
the i777 does not support the required bands for accessing TMobile's 3g/4g network.
Had the merger gone through, possibly. But as of right now, no.
Tmobile is on 1700MHz and 2100MHZ while AT&T is on 850MHz and 1900MHz.
No, and this is the case for every AT&T device in existence to my knowledge.
In fact, the ONLY device I know of that is not sold by T-Mobile and supports their HSPA bands is the GSM Galaxy Nexus, which is one of the first (if not the first) phones to do pentaband HSPA.
Personnally I tested the Unlock Process with a T-Mobile SimCard...not sure if working properly due to a operation range described by the fellows
Entropy512 said:
No, and this is the case for every AT&T device in existence to my knowledge.
In fact, the ONLY device I know of that is not sold by T-Mobile and supports their HSPA bands is the GSM Galaxy Nexus, which is one of the first (if not the first) phones to do pentaband HSPA.
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actually....
in even more bastardization provided by Samsung, the skyrocket can work on TMobile's 3/4G as long as you flash a TMo modem.bin to it.
jcomana said:
Personnally I tested the Unlock Process with a T-Mobile SimCard...not sure if working properly due to a operation range described by the fellows
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You can still get 2G on T-Mo because T-Mo uses the standard 850/1900 for 2G. What OP asks is 3G/4G.
Entropy512 said:
No, and this is the case for every AT&T device in existence to my knowledge.
In fact, the ONLY device I know of that is not sold by T-Mobile and supports their HSPA bands is the GSM Galaxy Nexus, which is one of the first (if not the first) phones to do pentaband HSPA.
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Actualy the T-Mobile version of the Samsung Galaxy SII Can work on AT&T`s 3G network. with BETTER Speeds than the AT&T version Data wise
hyelton said:
Actualy the T-Mobile version of the Samsung Galaxy SII Can work on AT&T`s 3G network. with BETTER Speeds than the AT&T version Data wise
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How is that an exception to what I'm saying. The T-Mobile version is not a device sold by AT&T, and is, by definition, a device sold by T-Mobile.
It's always been a bit easier to get T-Mo phones to work on AT&T - a number of them support the AT&T bands. But it's never been easy (and with the possible exception of the Skyrocket, never even possible) to go the other way without losing 3G.
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How is that an exception to what I'm saying. The T-Mobile version is not a device sold by AT&T, and is, by definition, a device sold by T-Mobile.
It's always been a bit easier to get T-Mo phones to work on AT&T - a number of them support the AT&T bands. But it's never been easy (and with the possible exception of the Skyrocket, never even possible) to go the other way without losing 3G.
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exactly. The skyrocket is the ONLY at&t phone i have seen that has this capability, and i have been hacking away on phones for a while, and i have both carriers
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to put it plainly,
NO
the i777 does not support the required bands for accessing TMobile's 3g/4g network.
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That would be the obvious answer based on the published specs, but I found an unselected listing in the hidden modem/ band settings for WCDMA 1700 MHz (Band IV) on my i777. I don't know if it works, but it's listed. From the phone keypad on the stock version, type in *#2263# and then look under Combinations. The phone lists 7 different GSM/PCS/WCDMA frequencies and only the obvious 5 are selected.
Anyone with an unlocked i777 on Tmo want to try it out?
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Even though there is a setting for wcdma on 1700, it doesn't seem to make a difference. Still stuck on edge.
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desertflyer said:
Even though there is a setting for wcdma on 1700, it doesn't seem to make a difference. Still stuck on edge.
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WCDMA is 2G/Edge technology. HSPA is 3G/4G technology.
maybe it will possible if we can flash a T-Mobile midem on out phone with out breaking it
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maybe it will possible if we can flash a T-Mobile midem on out phone with out breaking it
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Unlikely. Unless the phone has the hardware support for it.
I found out after extensive research on the Nexus One, that even though the radio chip inside it supports both frequency sets (pentaband, I suppose); the power amplifiers were only connected to certain frequency outputs, depending on the carrier it was advertised for. Which means even if I flashed a T-Mobile radio, the signal wouldn't be strong enough to get outside the case of the phone, let alone to a cell tower.
Your best bet is with European phones, as I believe they use the same frequencies as T-Mobile (since they're owned by a euro company).
Someone should confirm, but I would guess that the I9100 will work on T-Mobile with 3G.
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Unlikely. Unless the phone has the hardware support for it.
I found out after extensive research on the Nexus One, that even though the radio chip inside it supports both frequency sets (pentaband, I suppose); the power amplifiers were only connected to certain frequency outputs, depending on the carrier it was advertised for. Which means even if I flashed a T-Mobile radio, the signal wouldn't be strong enough to get outside the case of the phone, let alone to a cell tower.
Your best bet is with European phones, as I believe they use the same frequencies as T-Mobile (since they're owned by a euro company).
Someone should confirm, but I would guess that the I9100 will work on T-Mobile with 3G.
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No.
Tmo's AWS band its an odd ball. Only certain Canadian Carriers use the same band.
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Red5 said:
WCDMA is 2G/Edge technology. HSPA is 3G/4G technology.
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No, WCMDA = UMTS = pure vanilla 3G.
2G = GSM/GPRS
"2.5G" = EDGE
3G = vanilla UMTS (WCDMA)
3.5G = HSDPA
3.75G = HSPA+
3.9G (it's not really 4G) = LTE
true 4G = LTE Advanced
Most phones, even if they support advanced modulation schemes (HSPA, HSPA+) will list the band support as "UMTSxxxx or WCDMAxxxx"
I heard (it's actually confirmed, can't find the article), T-Mo has the same 3G bands as AT&T in some remote part of the USA, I think somewhere in Washington state, not sure though? The OP might want to move there
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I heard (it's actually confirmed, can't find the article), T-Mo has the same 3G bands as AT&T in some remote part of the USA, I think somewhere in Washington state, not sure though? The OP might want to move there
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That might explain why the Vibrant apparently supported one (but not both) of AT&T's bands.
As I understand it, unlike the N1, the international HSPA+ Galaxy Nexus is full-blown pentaband.
Tmo has roaming agreement with at&t. So it is possible in places there is no tmo tower, your tmo phone could roam to at&t tower without showing the roaming sign.
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I heard (it's actually confirmed, can't find the article), T-Mo has the same 3G bands as AT&T in some remote part of the USA, I think somewhere in Washington state, not sure though? The OP might want to move there
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I just want to double-check with the experts here if the T-Mobile version of the Galaxy Note will work on the AT&T network with 3G speeds. These are the specs from the Samsung website (http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-T879ZBBTMB-specs):
Network:
Frequencies and Data Type GSM Bands:850 MHz,900 MHz,1800 MHz,1900 MHz 3G/UMTS Bands: Band I (UMTS 2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100/AWS), Band V (850)
Data Speed: HSPA+ (Category24, 42Mbps)
Thanks,
Dan
Looks right. But its likely you will need to change the radio.
850 and 1900 hspa are the bands at&t uses.
My question its a Lil different... Once the Tmo note comes out, could we flash the stock Tmo note ROM to an unlocked att note and potentially have wifi calling on the att galaxy note..
I love my note but really thinking about changing phones cuz I need the built in wifi calling Tmo offers on their phones
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Looks right. But its likely you will need to change the radio.
850 and 1900 hspa are the bands at&t uses.
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850 and 1900 are listed in the specs that the OP posted...my guess is it will work fine stock after unlocking, although obviously no LTE support.
strangetator said:
My question its a Lil different... Once the Tmo note comes out, could we flash the stock Tmo note ROM to an unlocked att note and potentially have wifi calling on the att galaxy note..
I love my note but really thinking about changing phones cuz I need the built in wifi calling Tmo offers on their phones
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If it's just another variant of the i717 like the Canadian ones (which it looks like it is), I think there's a pretty good chance you'll be able to get that working.
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850 and 1900 are listed in the specs that the OP posted...my guess is it will work fine stock after unlocking, although obviously no LTE support.
If it's just another variant of the i717 like the Canadian ones (which it looks like it is), I think there's a pretty good chance you'll be able to get that working.
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I sure hope so.. I'll just hang on to my unlocked now till tmo release and see what we can do, hopefully its as simple a Odin stick Tmo note room and good to go
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3 more days
only 3 more days until people can offically get the radio file off the note! OMG!!!
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only 3 more days until people can offically get the radio file off the note! OMG!!!
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I have the t-mobile galaxy note.... what do I need to do to get u guys the radio or what not ...just curious that is , plus is rooting my device the same process as the AT&T Version I-717
Yes.
I was thinking about buying the International unlocked Galaxy SIII GT I9300 and saw how it would be cheaper in the long run, but my main motivation was being able to move from carrier to carrier if I wanted to and not having a contract. I seem to be reading though that the international version is only compatible with AT&T and T-mobile at 3G and is not capable of 4G speeds at all. Also, that even American versions are not always compatible with eachother. So am I correct in thinking that if I get an international version I'll be stuck between T-Mobile and Sprint at 3Gs. And that nothing can be done to the phone to allow an International phone to work with Sprint or even an American Sprint to work on a T-Mobile network? I'm starting to think it might be easier to just get an American phone and jailbreak it.
The international one will never work with sprint or Verizon, the AT&T and t-mobile versions will never work with sprint or Verizon.
The difference is hardware, Verizon and sprint are cdma, the rest are gsm.
The international one will work with AT&T with 3g and 4g(actually its hspa+ which is technically 3.5g) and will work on T-Mobile only in 2g for now, in a few months it will work on 3g and 4g when they refarm their 1900 or 1700mhz (can't remember which) band to 3g.
No matter what you do to either the international or US gsm versions they will NEVER EVER WORK ON SPRINT OR VERIZON.
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I see, that's what I was afraid of. The AT&T and T-Mobile option still seem attractive, but in your opinion will the Verizon/Sprint with a jailbreak route be better in the long term since the LTE is by far the superior option(from what I've read)? I've seen AT&T has LTE but the International version wouldn't be able to work on a LTE network anyway, would it??? I plan to download most things on my laptop and move them to the phone anyway, the only important thing to me internet speed would affect and my main concern would be live video chat, would the 3G or HSPA+ be sufficient for that? Other than talk and text the phone will be mainly used for games, movies, music and the superior GPU in the International version I think would be better for that? Are there any other phones comparative to the Galaxy III you know of that might have both the CDMA and the GSM, the "world phones" as I've seen them called?
Matt45045 said:
I see, that's what I was afraid of. The AT&T and T-Mobile option still seem attractive, but in your opinion will the Verizon/Sprint with a jailbreak route be better in the long term since the LTE is by far the superior option(from what I've read)? I've seen AT&T has LTE but the International version wouldn't be able to work on a LTE network anyway, would it??? I plan to download most things on my laptop and move them to the phone anyway, the only important thing to me internet speed would affect and my main concern would be live video chat, would the 3G or HSPA+ be sufficient for that? Other than talk and text the phone will be mainly used for games, movies, music and the superior GPU in the International version I think would be better for that? Are there any other phones comparative to the Galaxy III you know of that might have both the CDMA and the GSM, the "world phones" as I've seen them called?
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You can't/don't jailbreak Android phones. Hard to even know what you are talking bout trying to accomplish? It's very simple.
1. Buy a phone from a carrier and use it on that carrier. That's the easiest option.
2. Buy an International GS3 and use it on AT&T 3G or 2G.
3. Buy an International GS3 and use it on T-Mobile 2G.
If you try any other options you are just going to confuse yourself.
Definitely don't get the sprint or Verizon ones, you are stuck on cdma then. The at&t one has LTE and the T-Mobile one has dc hspa+ (theoretically up to 42mbps) the international one has standard hspa+ (up to 21mbps) and I regularly get between 5-8mbps down and 2-3mbps up and I live in the country.
The gpu and cpu on the international one are better too.
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I have a bad habit of using the words root and jailbreak interchangeably, I meant root the phone. I guess I have to decide how important LTE is to me. It'll either be AT&T or the International version. The superior GPU and CPU are attractive, but so are the LTE speeds. But I guess with the limited data maybe not. But thanks for your help, this clarified a lot for me.
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I have the exact same problem!
I am planning to buy a Galaxy Nexus, which works for UMTS (850/900/1700/1900/2100MHz) and GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz). I read from wikipedia that the 3G and 4G networks from Tmobile are carried on the frequency of both 1700MHz and 2100 MHz. Does that mean Galaxy Nexus can use 3G and 4G on Tmobile network?
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I have the exact same problem!
I am planning to buy a Galaxy Nexus, which works for UMTS (850/900/1700/1900/2100MHz) and GSM (850/900/1800/1900MHz). I read from wikipedia that the 3G and 4G networks from Tmobile are carried on the frequency of both 1700MHz and 2100 MHz. Does that mean Galaxy Nexus can use 3G and 4G on Tmobile network?
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Yes, the galaxy nexus will work fine on tmo, its pentaband.
I brought my Irish one to america and used it on tmo no problem.
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nodstuff said:
Yes, the galaxy nexus will work fine on tmo, its pentaband.
I brought my Irish one to america and used it on tmo no problem.
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Oh really?! Then I should sell my international version of Galaxy S II for a Galaxy Nexus. S II doesnt receive 1700MHz. I read from Wikipeida: This band (Tmobile 3G and 4G) was an area of wireless spectrum, half in the 1700 MHz (1.7 GHz) and half in the 2100 MHz (2.1 GHz) frequencies. SO I was thinking: Hey, how about getting a phone with both 1700 and 2100MHz to work on Tmobile 3G and 4G.
So you can actually use 3G? or even 4G on Tmobile? Is it so slow or weak that makes you want to change carrier?
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nodstuff said:
The international one will never work with sprint or Verizon, the AT&T and t-mobile versions will never work with sprint or Verizon.
The difference is hardware, Verizon and sprint are cdma, the rest are gsm.
The international one will work with AT&T with 3g and 4g(actually its hspa+ which is technically 3.5g) and will work on T-Mobile only in 2g for now, in a few months it will work on 3g and 4g when they refarm their 1900 or 1700mhz (can't remember which) band to 3g.
No matter what you do to either the international or US gsm versions they will NEVER EVER WORK ON SPRINT OR VERIZON.
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Help, I have an I9300 and I can't configure it to recieve data I am on the AT&T GO $60 data plan and AT&T says it is my phones problem. I've tried a lot of different settings and it still shows up as disconnected under the mobile network state. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Definitely don't get the sprint or Verizon ones, you are stuck on cdma then. The at&t one has LTE and the T-Mobile one has dc hspa+ (theoretically up to 42mbps) the international one has standard hspa+ (up to 21mbps) and I regularly get between 5-8mbps down and 2-3mbps up and I live in the country.
The gpu and cpu on the international one are better too.
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Help, I have an I9300 and I have tried for a week to get AT&T GO set up for data. I can talk and text fine, but no luck with data AT&T says it is my phone. Under mobile network state it says disconnected. any help would be greatly appreciated. It is an unlocked international GSM phone.
I have a Samsung GT-I9300 unlocked Gsm phone. I have started AT&T GO $60 data plan. I have tried for a week now to get data with no luck. I can talk & text fine, and it works great off of WI-FI. AT&T has tried everything they can do and says it is a problem with my phone. I was previously on Straight Talk but was stuck with EDGE speeds and not good coverage. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
These models, do they all work on diff carries network? What I mean is, can I bring a Tmo to Verizon to ATT ... etc?
Because it looks like they all use simcard.
Samsung SM-G900F - for Europe
Samsung SM-G900I - for Asia
Samsung SM-G900K/G900L/G900S - for Korea
Samsung SM-G900M - for Vodafone
Samsung SM-G900A - for AT&T
Samsung SM-G900T - for T-Mobile
Samsung SM-G900V - for Verizon
Samsung SM-G900R4 - for US Cellular
Samsung SM-G900P - for Sprint
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These models, do they all work on diff carries network? What I mean is, can I bring a Tmo to Verizon to ATT ... etc?
Because it looks like they all use simcard.
Samsung SM-G900F - for Europe
Samsung SM-G900I - for Asia
Samsung SM-G900K/G900L/G900S - for Korea
Samsung SM-G900M - for Vodafone
Samsung SM-G900A - for AT&T
Samsung SM-G900T - for T-Mobile
Samsung SM-G900V - for Verizon
Samsung SM-G900R4 - for US Cellular
Samsung SM-G900P - for Sprint
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Good question. I'd like to know as well. You can def unlock the TMO and ATT GSM versions and pop each others SIM's in I doubt it's the same for CDMA versions.
Isn't the bootloader on the TMO unlocked?
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Good question. I'd like to know as well. You can def unlock the TMO and ATT GSM versions and pop each others SIM's in I doubt it's the same for CDMA versions.
Isn't the bootloader on the TMO unlocked?
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I'm curious as well if these phones are unique to each carrier due to the model numbers specifically can verizons work on tmobile & att
navy2012 said:
These models, do they all work on diff carries network? What I mean is, can I bring a Tmo to Verizon to ATT ... etc?
Because it looks like they all use simcard.
Samsung SM-G900F - for Europe
Samsung SM-G900I - for Asia
Samsung SM-G900K/G900L/G900S - for Korea
Samsung SM-G900M - for Vodafone
Samsung SM-G900A - for AT&T
Samsung SM-G900T - for T-Mobile
Samsung SM-G900V - for Verizon
Samsung SM-G900R4 - for US Cellular
Samsung SM-G900P - for Sprint
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I know this is an old thread and I'm sure you have your answer by now, but I have seen others asking the same, so I hope this helps
900s and 900k are GSM 900l is CDMA
Samsung SM-G900K - for Korea Telecom
Samsung SM-G900S - for SK Telecom
Samsung SM-G900L - for LG U+
Well the g900t works fine on AT&T with the exception of lte. Not sure why it's not supported considering the g900t supports all the same bands ad g900a... I suppose it is a firmware issue
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strker45 said:
Well the g900t works fine on AT&T with the exception of lte. Not sure why it's not supported considering the g900t supports all the same bands ad g900a... I suppose it is a firmware issue
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LTE works fine on the 900T using AT&T's network. I answered this in your other thread. I'm currently using a 900T with AT&T's service, getting full LTE.
navy2012 said:
These models, do they all work on diff carries network? What I mean is, can I bring a Tmo to Verizon to ATT ... etc?t
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The short answer is no. First you divide the phones into two groups; GSM and CDMA which are incompatible networks, apart from limited overlap on the data side. Note that Sprint in particular, locks down their CDMA phones pretty tight so that it is very difficult to use them on other networks, particularly competing domestic CDMA carriers.
GSM phones, at least the higher end models like the S5 are multi band and will work on pretty much all GSM networks. However each model is optimized for a given carrier's frequencies. So your phone may roam or (if unlocked) accept a SIM from another network, it probably won't work on all of the frequencies of the other network. The effect of that may not be much in a dense urban area, perhaps a little more network congestion or slower data speeds. But in fringe areas served by only one frequency, it could mean no coverage for the foreign handset.
The TMobile model is one of the best, generally speaking, in that it is capable of operating on more frequency bands than most other models. However what is best is subjective depending on where you want to use it and what model you have in hand. The Samsung support site lists the frequency bands that each variant will work on and you can see that they vary between carriers.
Interestingly it appears that the GSM S5's are manufactured with the hardware capability to operate on all GSM and LTE bands. But the different models only enable the frequencies used on the native carrier. Which is to say marketing (or by a real stretch, perhaps cost saving) initiatives are locking us out of better roaming capabilities.
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The Asian models do not have LTE antenna on them.
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LTE works fine on the 900T using AT&T's network. I answered this in your other thread. I'm currently using a 900T with AT&T's service, getting full LTE.
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+1 to this. Am using TMo S5 on AT&T and am getting LTE.
I'm not quite sure what you meant by that statement. The Korean S5s all have LTE and with the Galaxy F being released in a few weeks there is also LTE-A.
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I'm not quite sure what you meant by that statement. The Korean S5s all have LTE and with the Galaxy F being released in a few weeks there is also LTE-A.
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Not all markets have LTE. Maybe Korea has. Countries like India don't yet have. It could also be that the bands being supported cos adding each band adds to phone cost.
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The Asian models do not have LTE antenna on them.
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That's a sweeping statment. And incorrect. Some asian phones may not use LTE, but many asian countries like Japan, Korea, Phillipines, Australia, etc do have LTE antennae.
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That's interesting. I was unaware. So EDGE would be the high speed data there I suppose?
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2ndcarpenter said:
That's interesting. I was unaware. So EDGE would be the high speed data there I suppose?
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There is until HSPDA/4G. But no LTE.
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That's a sweeping statment. And incorrect. Some asian phones may not use LTE, but many asian countries like Japan, Korea, Phillipines, Australia, etc do have LTE antennae.
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The reason I gave for that is 'cos I know S3 in Americas version had 2 cores and LTE, wherein Asia version had 4 cores and no LTE. Maybe things changed in S5.
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fffft said:
That's a sweeping statment. And incorrect. Some asian phones may not use LTE, but many asian countries like Japan, Korea, Phillipines, Australia, etc do have LTE antennae
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The reason I gave for that is 'cos I know S3 in Americas version had 2 cores and LTE, wherein Asia version had 4 cores and no LTE. Maybe things changed in S5.
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Well again what you say is only correct for certain countries in asia. Not to single you out but there is a lot of misinformation, usually assumptions on this subject and it's productive to clarify the facts.
There were both LTE and non-LTE versions of the Exynos (4 core) S3. The GT-I9300[N/T], SHV-E210K/L/S and SGH-N035 had 4 cores and LTE and the GT-I9300[N] had 4 cores without LTE support. Not to mention that various asian counties like Japan and Australia use the dual core Qualcomm S3 with LTE. So it's not as clearly delineated as you believe.
You also suggested that it costs more to add additional frequency band support to a S5 variant. But this isn't so because the S5 uses WRL-1625 transceiver chipset which has unified support for all GSM and LTE bands. So it costs nothing extra in hardware to add additional bands.
One could argue that omitting secondary parts such as an antenna in a variant intended for a region that doesn't use LTE at all (if such exists) could make unified support moot. But the reality is that increased manufacturing and logistical costs of changing the hardware provisioning on variant handsets is usually prohibitive. It's generally believed that band limitations between variants reside in firmware with the purpose of detering grey market sales and carrier churn.
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That's interesting. I was unaware. So EDGE would be the high speed data there I suppose?
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No, most of the non-LTE asian carriers are using HSPA+ networks which are considerably faster than Edge. The faster HSPA+ implentations are characterized as 42 Mbps networks, which is as fast as some LTE footprints. Advanced LTE rollouts however can double those speeds.
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I had several people ask me about real world LTE speeds. All I can say is that speeds are highly dependent on carrier networks and will vary considerably between carriers and quite a bit by location as well. One LTE network might see speeds < 5 Mbps while another may be twenty times that fast.
I am seeing 60 Mbps typical speeds with my LTE and ~ 90 Mbps with a strong signal in larger cities. Carrier aggregation which is just rolling out now (and supported by the S5) should see some networks achieving 125+ Mbps speeds.
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3 G in europe
Hello! I'm looking for some help.
I got back fron the US with an AT&T galaxy S5 active (SM 870A) and it works well ewcept the 3G. I directly sitch from 4G in urban areas to Edge...
Do you know if I could get 3G with this phone, since it looks likes a software issue?
Thanks
fffft said:
The short answer is no. First you divide the phones into two groups; GSM and CDMA which are incompatible networks, apart from limited overlap on the data side. Note that Sprint in particular, locks down their CDMA phones pretty tight so that it is very difficult to use them on other networks, particularly competing domestic CDMA carriers.
GSM phones, at least the higher end models like the S5 are multi band and will work on pretty much all GSM networks. However each model is optimized for a given carrier's frequencies. So your phone may roam or (if unlocked) accept a SIM from another network, it probably won't work on all of the frequencies of the other network. The effect of that may not be much in a dense urban area, perhaps a little more network congestion or slower data speeds. But in fringe areas served by only one frequency, it could mean no coverage for the foreign handset.
The TMobile model is one of the best, generally speaking, in that it is capable of operating on more frequency bands than most other models. However what is best is subjective depending on where you want to use it and what model you have in hand. The Samsung support site lists the frequency bands that each variant will work on and you can see that they vary between carriers.
Interestingly it appears that the GSM S5's are manufactured with the hardware capability to operate on all GSM and LTE bands. But the different models only enable the frequencies used on the native carrier. Which is to say marketing (or by a real stretch, perhaps cost saving) initiatives are locking us out of better roaming capabilities.
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Galaxy S5 SM-900M
Supports these Bands:
3G: HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100, 4G: LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 / 2600 (Bands 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 17)
Current Baseband Version:
G900MUBU1BOJ2 (Lollipop 5.0)
I'm wanting to roll back to KitKat 4.4.2
Does anyone know for sure if this will work with T-Mobile? It appears to have all the bands to support T-Mobile, but I guess what I'm asking is what firmware do I download if I want to roll it back to KitKat 4.4.2? A link to the firmware would be fantastic.
This is the closest thing I've found for KitKat 4.4.2 on this SM-900M S5 that I have....but it's Uruguay. All the other firmwares are for South American countries too....
Thanks in advance.
i am trying to use a program to retrieve files from a broken screen s5 (model sm-g900v U.S. verizon) but my model isnt listed as compatible and offers the doomsday scenario of bricking it if i continue. Whats the difference if i tell the program im one of the models offered? is there a different program i can use to access my black screen S5 thats not in debugging mode when plugged in? (i plug it in computer now and it doesnt recognize that theres files becuase its in "charge only" mode)