I am kinda lost here,
i dont really care about the score of benchmarks but its wierd that my score dont go higher than 3200 ( thats on custom roms ) while i got 3600+ on stock roms.
also has anyone figured out a fix for the wifi bug? wifi is connected but cant get any data. only fix so far is to toggle it on and off.
thanks
Benchmark software's like Quadrant is not well optimized with Dual Core phone's yet, so whatever you get don't bother it. And you want high score? Well run it for 5-6 times back to back, lets see
So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
zetsumeikuro said:
Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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Izeltokatl said:
True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Benchmarks do have a some good uses... while comparing different phone models with benchmarks can be iffy, it can give an overall insight, (things like graphics capabilities with very GPU extensive games) but in the end user experience and daily use are the real judges.
Where benchmarks can be of the most use, is when comparing changes to the same phone model.
E.G. Comparing performance impacts of AOSP vs Sense, overclocking and under-clocking, and de-sensing/bloat removal.
When used for these reasons, you can get a really good feel for how changes are affecting your device overall. Even then, benchmarks are not the be all end all, and user experience is still important. As you may introduce lag or other performance issues that do not show up in benchmarks.
Which temp root method are you using? Mine isn't staying rooted long enough for me to justify using setCPU at all...
The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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Thx for the info, guess I must still be using the outdated method. I'll run the latest version of Scott's Clean tool and give it a shot.
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So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Please let us know what settings you use that work for you.
I generally stay temprooted unless I'm going to be away from a charger for a bit and need BT (since you can't turn BT back on after temproot). I wouldn't have SetCPU autostart on boot (since it won't ever be able to get root access immediately after boot).
Meanwhile, I also set it to conservative and will see what that accomplishes.
A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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This kernel apparently does work with SetCPU. I've confirmed using other cpu monitoring apps that the clock speed changes are capped.
I own 7 android phones, and have been rooting, overclocking, undervolting each and every single one of them (well one I still cant get rooted). I know when the cpu is under clocked and when it is not. Been doing these tweaks for 4 years now. If you use a tool like System Panel, at stock settings you can see the max cpu around 1500 on our little bad boy. When it peaks out the clock speed is shown. When you under clock it, then check again it won't go beyond the max cpu set in my testing I put a ceiling at 918mhz. System Panel reported full CPU usage (100%) at clock speed 918mhz. Typically with stock kernels, your absolutely right, changes to SetCPU do nothing at all to the real cpu. Which is confirmed, when I reboot and dont have root, if I attempt to use SetCPU and make the changes, System Panel reports 1500mhz (roughly) at full load regardless of what I set it to in SetCPU. If I did this to any of my other phones with stock kernels, you are correct it makes no difference as SystemPanel reports the stock max setting.
No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
Grnlantern79 said:
A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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Izeltokatl said:
No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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Or I would say, "half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should have always been allowed to do...." Just sayin'.
Are you using the profiles at all? Im interested to know what seems to be working out the best for you.
Izeltokatl said:
True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
douger1957 said:
In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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Linpack and Quadrant are not reliable benchmarks. TBH I don't take any of the benchmarks seriously, they are more for entertainment for me. But to each their own right?
Yeah some of the benchmark apps are a bit unreliable to say the least...
If I use one, I try to use ones that Anandtech uses. I trust them to find the better benchmark tools.
hey,
just tried to play nova 3 and while it runs mostly with adorable fps it sometimes really stutters (i'm on wannamlite v12 + siyah 3.3.2).
then i tried shadowguns since i know it runs pretty well on gb. as i expected it also runs worse on ics and stutters from time to time.
at last i tried quadrant to see how my phone performs in benchmarks and i noticed that i got much less fps in the 3d parts (30-40% less than i can remember from gb).
so, does anyone know why ics performs so bad in 3d games and if there is a solution to this problem (obviosly without going back to gb ^^) ?
layercake87 said:
hey,
just tried to play nova 3 and while it runs mostly with adorable fps it sometimes really stutters (i'm on wannamlite v12 + siyah 3.3.2).
then i tried shadowguns since i know it runs pretty well on gb. as i expected it also runs worse on ics and stutters from time to time.
at last i tried quadrant to see how my phone performs in benchmarks and i noticed that i got much less fps in the 3d parts (30-40% less than i can remember from gb).
so, does anyone know why ics performs so bad in 3d games and if there is a solution to this problem (obviosly without going back to gb ^^) ?
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Did you UC?? maybe try bring your gpu back to stock values using extweaks or maybe even OC it..
no uc but tried with stock frequences and with oc'ed ones (cpu: 1600 mhz gpu: 400mhz)
got slighty better but still nowhere near gb- performance.
This is why i am still on GB, ICS still needs a lot of work.
i would really like know what is the reason behind this since i thought that the usage of the gpu would be improved on ics ?
I'm new to rooting and changing phone's ROM and kernel (rooted my X10 just 2 months ago), so I wanted to ask about main advantages of using different ROM and kernel... right now, I'm using stock 2.3.3 ROM with FPS Uncap and a few more tweaks. I also tried another ROM (from ThJap) with his kernel provided along with his ROM, but I didn't see much difference in phone's performance between stock and modded (it's ironical, that I feel, stock was faster (even when modded ROM have OCed CPU), when I had around 25 apps installed. Modded ROM had imho more stuttering when flipping screens and app drawer).
So the question is:
1. What can be achieved by modding just ROM itself and what by modding kernel?
2. Also there were some things I liked about that ROM, but those I didn't like too, so who can I ask about modding some parts of stock ROM for me?
3. Maybe off-topic, but why after flashing FPS Uncap, FPS was better just in launcher and games, but in menus (e.g. settings screen), gallery, SMS, etc. the phone was so laggy and unresponsive? It's like this even after reinstalling phone completely, when no apps are installed. I was expecting better FPS and responsiveness in all of this (especially gallery, which is unusable right now). Can I do anything about it? Even my friend's Xperia Active, which has the same CPU, is much faster and smoother. I know, it has smaller screen resolution, but the situation is the same with all phones using Snapdragon CPU I've seen so far. Only my X10 is laggy and slow (with stock or modded ROM; it doesn't matter) compared to them.
R1sky999 said:
I'm new to rooting and changing phone's ROM and kernel (rooted my X10 just 2 months ago), so I wanted to ask about main advantages of using different ROM and kernel... right now, I'm using stock 2.3.3 ROM with FPS Uncap and a few more tweaks. I also tried another ROM (from ThJap) with his kernel provided along with his ROM, but I didn't see much difference in phone's performance between stock and modded (it's ironical, that I feel, stock was faster (even when modded ROM have OCed CPU), when I had around 25 apps installed. Modded ROM had imho more stuttering when flipping screens and app drawer).
So the question is:
1. What can be achieved by modding just ROM itself and what by modding kernel?
2. Also there were some things I liked about that ROM, but those I didn't like too, so who can I ask about modding some parts of stock ROM for me?
3. Maybe off-topic, but why after flashing FPS Uncap, FPS was better just in launcher and games, but in menus (e.g. settings screen), gallery, SMS, etc. the phone was so laggy and unresponsive? It's like this even after reinstalling phone completely, when no apps are installed. I was expecting better FPS and responsiveness in all of this (especially gallery, which is unusable right now). Can I do anything about it? Even my friend's Xperia Active, which has the same CPU, is much faster and smoother. I know, it has smaller screen resolution, but the situation is the same with all phones using Snapdragon CPU I've seen so far. Only my X10 is laggy and slow (with stock or modded ROM; it doesn't matter) compared to them.
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There are lot of stock based roms better than stock whch already have FPS uncap and all tweaks done.
As you said for me also stock based custom roms became slower and slower as days passed and apps installed.
But I stumbled upon old rom but really solid one.
cm7zmod by zdzihu runs on doomkernel.
Its really fast and hasnt really lagged/sowed down in one and half months of my usage.
No big bugs except tethering not working.
give it a try, you wont regret it.
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THeLogiC said:
There are lot of stock based roms better than stock whch already have FPS uncap and all tweaks done.
As you said for me also stock based custom roms became slower and slower as days passed and apps installed.
But I stumbled upon old rom but really solid one.
cm7zmod by zdzihu runs on doomkernel.
Its really fast and hasnt really lagged/sowed down in one and half months of my usage.
No big bugs except tethering not working.
give it a try, you wont regret it.
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also modding rom by yourself will be hard at first if you dont have much knowledge about it.
Kernel modding requires more knowledge( I can give u link to guides for doing that if you want). Its not my expertise.
Hi
I'm not new to flasing rom I have flashed many but never a kernel can any one kindly tell me what are the kernals for what advantage I get on flashing them sorry if it is noo bish but some how in all my rom flashing done I have never tried kernals thanks in advance
Kernel is interface between device hardware and software( os). When device needs resource, kernel takes care of that. Suppose you open a game. It needs some power, kernel will see the incoming load and make cpu jump to best available frequency, simultaneously it will make gpu jump to suitable frequency so that frames don't drop.
There are loads of things so that you have a smooth experience in efficient manner. You don't want to stay at higher frequency because it will have negative aspect battery. You don't want to just have a better battery because it will have effect on performance. All things need to be taken care by kernel.
Now as many have faced, oos has lag on lockscreen and laggy games, videos etc. So for that kernel is to be blamed for most part. By flashing custom kernel, you eliminate all that. Also custom kernels lets you tweak parameters, so that you can decide what's best for you.
I hope that gives you little understanding of what kernel is. You may further ask google to enlighten more.
saurabh40629 said:
Kernel is interface between device hardware and software( os). When device needs resource, kernel takes care of that. Suppose you open a game. It needs some power, kernel will see the incoming load and make cpu jump to best available frequency, simultaneously it will make gpu jump to suitable frequency so that frames don't drop.
There are loads of things so that you have a smooth experience in efficient manner. You don't want to stay at higher frequency because it will have negative aspect battery. You don't want to just have a better battery because it will have effect on performance. All things need to be taken care by kernel.
Now as many have faced, oos has lag on lockscreen and laggy games, videos etc. So for that kernel is to be blamed for most part. By flashing custom kernel, you eliminate all that. Also custom kernels lets you tweak parameters, so that you can decide what's best for you.
I hope that gives you little understanding of what kernel is. You may further ask google to enlighten more.
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Hi thanks again for this very nice explanation:good::laugh::laugh: