OK. Here's the deal. I have several chargers, AC and 12 volt. I was trying to see if one charges faster than the other. I have used currentwidget forever to see what the charge/drain is on my phone. But here's the question... I have read that the Evo 3D limits incoming current to 1 Amp (1000 mA).
1. Is this true that it limits the incoming current?
2. Is there an app or other way to test what current is coming into the device before the 3D limits it back to 1 amp?
3. I have 2 amp charges, both 12 v and AC. and while screen is on, currentwidget and battery monitor only show about 250-300 mA charge. Shouldn't it be higher? When not charging, drain is only at 500-ish... So I would assume charge should be 1000 mA minus the drain??? So it should be charging at roughly 450-500 mA.
What am I missing?
Edit: One more question... Wat is the max charge rate for AC charge vs. USB charge?
If you continue to raise the amperage, you might get a beautiful camp fire.
Stop playing with AC/DC and then complain that HTC builds bad phones that don't resist in time.
Is that hard?
The phone should only draw what it needs. I think that is the 1A, whether there is draw or not. Minus what you use gives the extra mA.
As for Usb vs Ac, Usb is 500mA, AC is usually 10A from the wall (I believe).
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Your using a third party app not precise equipment there was all sorts of talk when the 3d was released about power transfer rates being unsafe it turned out the third party apps are just ALWAYS wrong when it comes to this. There is an old article on good and EVO about it.
Edit: for what its worth I noticed a faster charge on my touch pads 2 amp charger. But it could have been placebo.
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coal686 said:
The phone should only draw what it needs. I think that is the 1A, whether there is draw or not. Minus what you use gives the extra mA.
As for Usb vs Ac, Usb is 500mA, AC is usually 10A from the wall (I believe).
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I agree with the math, but it just seems low to me. And AC varies from charger to charger. HTC wall charger is 5 v DC at 1 amp.
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Your using a third party app not precise equipment there was all sorts of talk when the 3d was released about power transfer rates being unsafe it turned out the third party apps are just ALWAYS wrong when it comes to this. There is an old article on good and EVO about it.
Edit: for what its worth I noticed a faster charge on my touch pads 2 amp charger. But it could have been placebo.
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I use my 2 amp TouchPad charger for my 3vo too. And it does seem to charge faster, but I think it is just placebo. Battery apps and current widget say only about 400 mA is used for charging. I would have assumed 1400 mA if it were not being limited to 1 amp into the Evo...
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OK. Here's the deal. I have several chargers, AC and 12 volt. I was trying to see if one charges faster than the other. I have used currentwidget forever to see what the charge/drain is on my phone. But here's the question... I have read that the Evo 3D limits incoming current to 1 Amp (1000 mA).
1. Is this true that it limits the incoming current?
2. Is there an app or other way to test what current is coming into the device before the 3D limits it back to 1 amp?
3. I have 2 amp charges, both 12 v and AC. and while screen is on, currentwidget and battery monitor only show about 250-300 mA charge. Shouldn't it be higher? When not charging, drain is only at 500-ish... So I would assume charge should be 1000 mA minus the drain??? So it should be charging at roughly 450-500 mA.
What am I missing?
Edit: One more question... Wat is the max charge rate for AC charge vs. USB charge?
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For starters, I am not sure if the Evo limits the incoming cirrent, but the stock chargers are only 1 amp output. Regardless of that, look at the wire diameter in the typical usb cord. While it may not sound like much, to get to 2 amps, would mean pushing (if my memory serves on the power formula) 10 watts of power down the cable instead of 5 watts. I am not sure the resistance of the wire wouldn't go up due to heating and effectively cut your power into the device anyway. I am not talking enough heat that you could feel it, just enough to slightly increase the wire resistance resulting in a power loss.
Like someone else stated, the USB ports are spec'd out to deliver max 1/2 amp
For question #2, regardless of what a source charger is capable of putting out, the device will "draw" want it requires upto the source maximum. Therefore if the device is requesting 1 amp, then that is what is coming out of the charger. If you were able to put an ammeter in the line, you should find that as the battery got to full charge, the current in the line would drop to the value necessary to operate the device and no more.
More information than you likely wanted,
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So I went on a 2 hour trip using my EVO as a gps. I had it plugged into the car charger the entire time. Little did I know the EVO was using the battery faster than it was charging. I've done this many times with the EVO 4G with no problems. Any suggestions? The phone is basically useless as a gps for any long distance trips. The battery will never last.
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get current widget, it tell you how fast your phone is charging, and when unplug how fast your phone is draining in mah, note your mah usage when unplug, then note your mah usage when battery is fairly low and plugged in to charge with the car charger.
if your battery is low (below 50%) and your phone still won't charge faster than 500mah on the car charger, it will not keep up with GPS uses, be aware that as the battery approach full, it charges slower and slower, near 97~99% it will only charge @ about 100mah rate.
I bet you have a cheapy car charger that only supply 500 mAmp, get one that can supply 1000 to 2000 mAmp (1A to 2A... 2A usually for DUAL usb outlet type charger)
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Mine wasn't charging unless it was plugged into the wall until I typed ##3828# and checked "enable USB charging". Now it charges while plugged into a computer or car as well.
Password is your MSL, lots of posts how to get it. Not responsible if you mess your phone up.
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get current widget, it tell you how fast your phone is charging, and when unplug how fast your phone is draining in mah, note your mah usage when unplug, then note your mah usage when battery is fairly low and plugged in to charge with the car charger.
if your battery is low (below 50%) and your phone still won't charge faster than 500mah on the car charger, it will not keep up with GPS uses, be aware that as the battery approach full, it charges slower and slower, near 97~99% it will only charge @ about 100mah rate.
I bet you have a cheapy car charger that only supply 500 mAmp, get one that can supply 1000 to 2000 mAmp (1A to 2A... 2A usually for DUAL usb outlet type charger)
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Can you point me in the direction of a 1000/2000 chargers?
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Mine wasn't charging unless it was plugged into the wall until I typed ##3828# and checked "enable USB charging". Now it charges while plugged into a computer or car as well.
Password is your MSL, lots of posts how to get it. Not responsible if you mess your phone up.
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So i enabled usb charging and when I go back into the ##3282# menu it it always reverts back. How do you get it to stick.
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bitslizer said:
get current widget, it tell you how fast your phone is charging, and when unplug how fast your phone is draining in mah, note your mah usage when unplug, then note your mah usage when battery is fairly low and plugged in to charge with the car charger.
if your battery is low (below 50%) and your phone still won't charge faster than 500mah on the car charger, it will not keep up with GPS uses, be aware that as the battery approach full, it charges slower and slower, near 97~99% it will only charge @ about 100mah rate.
I bet you have a cheapy car charger that only supply 500 mAmp, get one that can supply 1000 to 2000 mAmp (1A to 2A... 2A usually for DUAL usb outlet type charger)
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Also, I have a decent charger. It's one of the ones that has two ports on it. By the way I was only charging the EVO 3D I didn't have anything else connected.
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So i enabled usb charging and when I go back into the ##3282# menu it it always reverts back. How do you get it to stick.
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Usually in that mode you have to click menu then hit commit modifications..
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So i enabled usb charging and when I go back into the ##3282# menu it it always reverts back. How do you get it to stick.
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After checking the box, hit menu apply changes
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I've never had a problem using this older but more powerful iGo AutoPower 3000 car charger. Overstock has them for $6.50+shipping and you get a bunch of power tips with it but not a microUSB tip.
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/iGo-AutoPower-3000-Car-Charger-Power-Adapter/3668307/product.html
The power specs on the package I have say:
DC Input: 11.5-16 VDC
Power Output: Up to 15 Watts continuous
Radio Shack sells the iGo a97 tip for $10+taxes but Amazon has the tip for $6+shipping(free shipping if you have prime).
http://www.amazon.com/iGo-Kindle-Motorola-RAZR2-KRAZR2/dp/B0012J52OC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310316568&sr=8-1
From my understanding, the tips have a resister in them which limits the mAmp output but I'm not sure what the a97 tip specs are since iGo doesn't seem to release that info. Hopefully it's 1A like the wall charger. I can verify that the newer single output iGo chargers are limited to .75A. So even if the tip is 1A, the charger is the limiting factor, hence why I recommend the older, more powerful one.
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Also, I have a decent charger. It's one of the ones that has two ports on it. By the way I was only charging the EVO 3D I didn't have anything else connected.
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Read the label on the charger, make sure it say at least 1A or even better 2A
lots of cheapy dual USB on ebay that's not rated for 2A
if you got a 2A charger and current widget still show 500ma charge rate,
then you may have to figure out if your phone is charging in USB charge mode with the car charge (limit to 500ma by the phone per USB spec) or in AC charge mode (charge at up to 1A)
I just came across this other day that point out this problem.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-m...B9U8Q/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_3?ie=UTF8&index=3
look at the mouse over box comment... of course every charger is different so don't just blindly do the mod if you have a different charger.
as for the other guy asking for 2A charger....
Ebay and Amazon have alot, just make sure they specificly say 1A for single USB or 2A for dual USB output.
for 2A dual USB, the OEM HTC thunderbolt one seem to be the best but also most pricey, some alternative are the Motorola dual usb and the Tmobile my touch 4g dual USB
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Usually in that mode you have to click menu then hit commit modifications..
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It's weird, I click the box for usb charging then click commit changes and a little box pops up "no changes made" I'm not sure how to save the changes.
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It's weird, I click the box for usb charging then click commit changes and a little box pops up "no changes made" I'm not sure how to save the changes.
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Test it, it may have taken
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Was having the same issue;
I used the car charger I had for my EVO, left it on for 3+ hrs, with little to no increase from where I put it on at. Ended up using a buddy of mine sharger and viola. Imex99 explained the reason for it. Just buy a new charger with 1A/2A output rating and you'll be good.
I'm having the same issues. I click enable usb charging and then commit, but it keeps reverting back to disabled with no difference in charging capability.
Speaking of car charging, why does the battery temperature vary so much between AC & USB, versus Car charging?
With the supplied HTC AC charger or USB connected to a computer, the battery's charging voltage is 4.333 volts and the temperature is 81*F.
With a Sprint Car Charger, the charging voltage is 4.333 volts but the temperature is 95.5*F
Even chargers rated at 1A/2A may not have the appropriate pins soldered together to enable 1amp charging. Please see this thread I made when I had the Evo 4G:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=767961
GooseEye said:
I've never had a problem using this older but more powerful iGo AutoPower 3000 car charger. Overstock has them for $6.50+shipping and you get a bunch of power tips with it but not a microUSB tip.
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/iGo-AutoPower-3000-Car-Charger-Power-Adapter/3668307/product.html
The power specs on the package I have say:
DC Input: 11.5-16 VDC
Power Output: Up to 15 Watts continuous
Radio Shack sells the iGo a97 tip for $10+taxes but Amazon has the tip for $6+shipping(free shipping if you have prime).
http://www.amazon.com/iGo-Kindle-Motorola-RAZR2-KRAZR2/dp/B0012J52OC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310316568&sr=8-1
From my understanding, the tips have a resister in them which limits the mAmp output but I'm not sure what the a97 tip specs are since iGo doesn't seem to release that info. Hopefully it's 1A like the wall charger. I can verify that the newer single output iGo chargers are limited to .75A. So even if the tip is 1A, the charger is the limiting factor, hence why I recommend the older, more powerful one.
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i use this too. works great
Hi,
I was wondering if it will be OK to use a 2A & 5V with Evo 3D. Evo 3D dies after a while when it's connected to HDMI Dock. Their is not enough current to keep it alive. And with a 2A 5V charger will also charge my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Thanks.
donniezazen said:
Hi,
I was wondering if it will be OK to use a 2A & 5V with Evo 3D. Evo 3D dies after a while when it's connected to HDMI Dock. Their is not enough current to keep it alive. And with a 2A 5V charger will also charge my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1.
Thanks.
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If I remember my physics correctly, you should be OK because the phone will only use the amperage that it needs.
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If I remember my physics correctly, you should be OK because the phone will only use the amperage that it needs.
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That's what I have heard. Also it might heat a little bit.
quiet simply yes
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quiet simply yes
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I a little worried about it might heat and might adversely affect the life of phone. As long as it's not too bad, I am fine with it. I plan to leave my phone on dock, so, I will be connected to 2A charger with extended period of time but then their should be some safe guard implemented by HTC to handle such scenarios.
Thanks.
donniezazen said:
I a little worried about it might heat and might adversely affect the life of phone. As long as it's not too bad, I am fine with it. I plan to leave my phone on dock, so, I will be connected to 2A charger with extended period of time but then their should be some safe guard implemented by HTC to handle such scenarios.
Thanks.
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I've actually heard from friends that their phones got hot when they did not provide enough amps. Using a 500mA charger for the 3d got their phone piping hot for some reason.
coal686 said:
I've actually heard from friends that their phones got hot when they did not provide enough amps. Using a 500mA charger for the 3d got their phone piping hot for some reason.
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I am not sure I understand you. You mean to say even an extra 500mA, that is 1.5A total, would get phone hot. HTC 3D requires at least 1A of current, so, it won't charge with a 500mA charger.
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I am not sure I understand you. You mean to say even an extra 500mA, that is 1.5A total, would get phone hot. HTC 3D requires at least 1A of current, so, it won't charge with a 500mA charger.
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What zcink said. They were using old low amp chargers.
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I used to charge my 3D with the stock charger but it gets a little hot, now I use a old blackberry charger and it never gets hot again, charge faster and I have a long cable now lol
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I use my Usb 3.0 port to charge, it is higher amps then the stock charger and works great. No heat issues and charges fast. The Usb on my car radio on the other hand is .5 amp and does heat it up.
Sounds good.
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Will A Higher Amperage Make It Charge Faster Because I Noticed When I Charge My Phone With My iPad Charger It Gets Done Quicker?
HTC 3D requires at least 1A of current, so, it won't charge with a 500mA charger.
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Not true. The phone will charge with any amperage. I have an old car charger that only puts out 200mA, and it charges just fine. Obviously it doesn't charge very fast, but it's enough to keep the phone topped off when I need it.
Will A Higher Amperage Make It Charge Faster Because I Noticed When I Charge My Phone With My iPad Charger It Gets Done Quicker?
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No, and as stated above, it will not hurt the phone either. The Evo will draw at max around 1 amp. You can use a 2 amp charger, but the phone will not charge any faster, as it will only draw 1 amp. I use my tablet charger once in a while, which is also 2 amps, and can confirm the phone is only drawing a little over 1 amp from it.
When I connect phone with TV through HDMI dock. Phone draws more power than 1A charger supplies. Will 2A charger be able to provide that extra charge, so, phone wouldn't die or depleted of power?
I don't mind heating as long as it's not frying phone chip anytime soon.
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If the charger is rated higher than one amp you should be alright, but I wouldn't recommend using one rated lower than 1 amp (or 500mA for usb/car chargers)
I just fried a charger not too long ago because I plugged my touchpad into it and it was only rated at half what that draws.
Wondering if anyone has tried it? I remember reading that the wall charger from my Tab 10.1 was more powerful than for the phones because it would take FOREVER to charge. Wonder if it's compatible with our S3?
Anyone?
I believe that anything that charges on USB is just getting 5 vt, so any charger would work with any phone/tab if it is charging through USB. I would guess that the wall chargers are also putting out 5vt and would therefor be fine with any mini USB plug charging device.
Easy to check, plug it in and see how it works. (Buy insurance first )
Yes,
I have been using my tab 10.1 charger since the first day I got my sgs3.
It DOES charge faster, about an hour for a full charge from <8%
No problems I have noticed, and I am using blazer rom.
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gyrra said:
Yes,
I have been using my tab 10.1 charger since the first day I got my sgs3.
It DOES charge faster, about an hour for a full charge from <8%
No problems I have noticed, and I am using blazer rom.
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An hour, eh? Nice. I thought it would charge faster but not that fast.
And im definitely talking about the using an outlet, not usb.
Thanks for the confirmation!
No problem,
I knew you meant the AC charger, and that's why I posted. USB charging is slow until someone adds in the fastcharge ability to a kernel for our s3's
Glad I could be of help.
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Gave you your first thanks!
if this helps i used a blackberry charger and it worked.. i have had no issues.
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lostsoul565 said:
if this helps i used a blackberry charger and it worked.. i have had no issues.
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Not talking about blackberry either. The wall charger for the Tab is more powerful than phone chargers. Thats the only charger im asking about.
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Not talking about blackberry either. The wall charger for the Tab is more powerful than phone chargers. Thats the only charger im asking about.
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Any modern device will limit its own current draw to what is needed to do the job. While it is certainly possible for a charger to be underpowered resulting in slower charging it should not be possible for a charger to be overpowered. That is, there is some maximum charge speed the phone is capable of and that limit is expressed as its maximum mA draw. a charger that sources under the max mA will be slower than one that meets or exceeds it. A charger that exceeds the max mA will not charge any faster than any other charger that also exceeds the device's max mA regardless of the differences in their source capacity.
So, if that makes sense to you then you should know it ought to be safe to use a powerful charger and that if faster charging results then the stock charger is in fact underpowered for the device it was paired with.
Disclaimer: Any engineer worth his salt is going to current limit the charging circuit on the phone. However, if this were not the case then providing increased charging capacity will most certainly damage the device.
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Any modern device will limit its own current draw to what is needed to do the job. While it is certainly possible for a charger to be underpowered resulting in slower charging it should not be possible for a charger to be overpowered. That is, there is some maximum charge speed the phone is capable of and that limit is expressed as its maximum mA draw. a charger that sources under the max mA will be slower than one that meets or exceeds it. A charger that exceeds the max mA will not charge any faster than any other charger that also exceeds the device's max mA regardless of the differences in their source capacity.
So, if that makes sense to you then you should know it ought to be safe to use a powerful charger and that if faster charging results then the stock charger is in fact underpowered for the device it was paired with.
Disclaimer: Any engineer worth his salt is going to current limit the charging circuit on the phone. However, if this were not the case then providing increased charging capacity will most certainly damage the device.
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Basically youre saying the phone itself wont pull in anymore draw than it knows it can handle. So I guess if it does charge faster than great. Long as it dont fry im happy!
Just curious if there is an app or something similar that would show how many amps are being provided when charging through a wall charger/USB powered hub? The reason I ask is that I'm thinking of buying a powered USB 3.0 Hub. The adapter that came with our phone says it's 2 Amp, so I am assuming our phone can pull 2 amps for charging. Just wanted to verify in some way that a 2 Amp dedicated port would really work for this phone.
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Just curious if there is an app or something similar that would show how many amps are being provided when charging through a wall charger/USB powered hub? The reason I ask is that I'm thinking of buying a powered USB 3.0 Hub. The adapter that came with our phone says it's 2 Amp, so I am assuming our phone can pull 2 amps for charging. Just wanted to verify in some way that a 2 Amp dedicated port would really work for this phone.
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When I get home, I'll download the kernel source and see if I can find out how much power it draws during charging. I doubt however, that it will draw 2A during charging as most chargers are rated to supply more power than the phone will accept.
Yeah, 2A seems like that could melt a battery charging that fast. Someone sent me a private message and told me to try CurrentWidget. I threw that on the phone and it registers as 1A while charging. But it appears like the widget doesn't break it down with decimals. For instance it could be charging with 1.8A and wouldn't know it. I put it in a standard USB port and it reported as charging with 0 Amps but the battery was indeed charging.
I took a quick look at the N7100 (International Note 2) source posted on Github by CM and it looks like AC charger is 650mA, USB is 450mA. It's a little hard to tell what exactly it's using for charging, so I'll try to verify that when I get home and have a chance to take a better look.
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Yeah, 2A seems like that could melt a battery charging that fast. Someone sent me a private message and told me to try CurrentWidget. I threw that on the phone and it registers as 1A while charging. But it appears like the widget doesn't break it down with decimals. For instance it could be charging with 1.8A and wouldn't know it. I put it in a standard USB port and it reported as charging with 0 Amps but the battery was indeed charging.
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A 3100mAh Lithium Ion battery can easily handle a full 2A charge rate. The ideal charge profile for Lithium Ion is a CC/CV profile, starts at constant current between like 3V and 4V, which most LI batters can take a rate of 1C, meaning it can handle a charge rate of 3.1A, recommended charge rate to achieve the most possible charge/discharge cycles is usually 0.2C so for a 3100mAh battery that would be 620mA. Once the charge gets to the correct voltage it gets to constant voltage and charges until termination current usually in the 100mA range. So yes, it can handle a 2A charge no problem.
Hey there. I very much appreciate that breakdown. Makes me wonder why they dropped the amps so much during charge.
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recommended charge rate to achieve the most possible charge/discharge cycles is usually 0.2C so for a 3100mAh battery that would be 620mA.
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If this is true (first time I've seen this anywhere), that would line up great with the 650mA max charge rate I found. Also, I downloaded the VZW source, and it doesn't look to significantly different from the N7100 source, at least as far as the charger stuff is concerned, so I would say they both probably have a max charge rate of 650mA.
I appreciate the info and time you both put into this. I guess it means a 2A usb port will be slight overkill. Even changing the charge rate to a higher value seems to indicate a lower battery life. Makes you wonder how apple did it's math for the ipads charge rate. The battery must be huge to accommodate a 1.1A charge rate. Or they are sacrificing battery life for fast charging.
Wont the kernel dictate the charge rate no matter what the charger is rated at?
If the kernel is set for a charge rate of 650mA (0.650A), then why does the Note 2 have a more powerful 2A wall charger, while the GS3 has a 1A wall charger.
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If the kernel is set for a charge rate of 650mA (0.650A), then why does the Note 2 have a more powerful 2A wall charger, while the GS3 has a 1A wall charger.
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The original nook color 7" came with a 2A wall charger and that was 2 years ago... both my note 2 and nook color charge about the same rate (quick to 99% and slow to 100). The charger is probably cheaper to make at 2A rather than anything and plus it could be used to charge future devices. Also if you used a 1A charger to charge the note it might possibly get warm/hot from running at near full capacity.
Im using my OLD blackberry 700mA wall charger to charge the phone at night while im sleeping. No problems with heat.
I dont know whats getting worst.
But whats the best replacement charger for xtz that has a higher amps? I already looked in amazon and most of it has a 2a dual and i still want to ask the community
And guys if possible please suggest those has a long data cable
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I cant wait for the next update on XTZ, something like .67
Displa, camera, battery and some tweak, not sure.
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I dont know whats getting worst.
But whats the best replacement charger for xtz that has a higher amps? I already looked in amazon and most of it has a 2a dual and i still want to ask the community
And guys if possible please suggest those has a long data cable
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I'm not saying it's the best, but I've been using an old iPad charger (2.1A) for the last 2 months without any problems. I plug the charger into a mains extension lead so I don't need a very long USB lead.
Well i have an iphone5 charger here it says output 5v---1a
Is it ok to charge thendevice with it?
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Well i have an iphone5 charger here it says output 5v---1a
Is it ok to charge thendevice with it?
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Any USB wall wart that is 1.5 amps - 2.1 amps (1500 - 2100 mA) @5 volts will work. The more amps the faster it will charge. In a pinch you could use a 1000 mA charger, it will just take longer.
Alright im confused.. Which is faster mA or A?
And by the way im not asking about the power here but a replacement.
Thanks for the infos though
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1000 Milliamps = 1 Amp
1500 mA = 1.5 A
2100 mA = 2.1 A
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5000mA is how many A? _____
Often wall warts list output in milliamps
Some external batteries list output in Amps.
It's not hard to convert between the two.
dph3055 said:
1000 Milliamps = 1 Amp
1500 mA = 1.5 A
2100 mA = 2.1 A
Pop Quiz: 5A is how many mA? _____
5000mA is how many A? _____
Often wall warts list output in milliamps
Some external batteries list output in Amps.
It's not hard to convert between the two.
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I get it..
5000mA
5A
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arcsuser said:
I get it..
5000mA
5A
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Congrats, you passed electricity 101.
Keep in mind that batteries can be fickle creatures. Sony delivers the XTZ with a 1500 mA charger. Based on that alone, it's probably best to replace the original charger with another 1500 mA charger. While you can certainly use more than 1500 mA and it will certainly charge faster, in the long run you may end up shortening the battery life. There are only so many charge cycles to be had in any given battery and quick charging can put an extra strain on a battery that wasn't manufactured to suck up power that quickly.
In a pinch, use whatever you have on hand or can find. For everyday charging, its best to default to what the manufacturer recommends.
The Apple 12W one works perfectly fine and charges the tablet so much faster!
There is people here saying it is impossible because of battery electronics.
It's quite simple: They're plain wrong.
Jequan said:
The Apple 12W one works perfectly fine and charges the tablet so much faster!
There is people here saying it is impossible because of battery electronics.
It's quite simple: They're plain wrong.
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Without doubt the best charger I've used for the money. It keeps up with battery drain on heavy use (Full HD video+Net+ others...at the same time) Stock charger does not. At first glance it does seem expensive but does the job very well.
I sent Sony a link to the Apple website for these as it's much better than the POS charger they give you with their £400 "Flagship" tablet. Well worth the £15 price tag.
Jequan said:
The Apple 12W one works perfectly fine and charges the tablet so much faster!
There is people here saying it is impossible because of battery electronics.
It's quite simple: They're plain wrong.
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Well, yes and no. Watts, Amps and Volts are all different measurements for different things and it can be quite confusing to figure out to the uninitiated. Watts is a mathematical calculation based on Ohm's Law. Watts = Volts x Amps
All USB devices accept a maximum of 5 volts. USB standards cap the max power delivered to a device @ 5 volts. Most standard USB ports deliver 5 volts @1 amp. Newer computers and specially designed charging ports can and do deliver more than 1 A via USB but they all deliver a maximum of 5 volts.
12 watts divided by 5 volts = 2.4A
If you look at your charger you'll see the output amps listed as 2.1A or 2100 mA.
Sony's included charger only delivers 1.5A or 1500mA, so yes it charges slower and when the tablet is under high load, has a hard time keeping the battery at 100%.
The real concern here, is what effect does delivering 2.1A of current to the battery day after day have on the useful life expectancy of that battery? I don't know the answer because I don't know anything about the battery that Sony uses. It's possible, if Sony, used a top quality battery, that charging with 2.1A will have no effect at all and Sony just wanted to save a buck or two by including a weaker charger in the box. On the other hand, Sony may have deliberately used a battery designed to accept 1.5A and included an appropriate charger.
As I said in a post above, apart from the battery overheating while charging (if it wasn't designed to charge @ 2.1A) and a reduced useful life of the battery, there shouldn't be any real problem using a "slightly" more powerful charger - up to a point. Charge with too many amps and the battery will probably explode or at the very least melt, potentially causing a fire if left unattended.
When talking to Sony, the question you need to ask, "Is the battery rated for 2.1A or only 1.5A?"
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Well, yes and no. Watts, Amps and Volts are all different measurements for different things and it can be quite confusing to figure out to the uninitiated. Watts is a mathematical calculation based on Ohm's Law. Watts = Volts x Amps
All USB devices accept a maximum of 5 volts. USB standards cap the max power delivered to a device @ 5 volts. Most standard USB ports deliver 5 volts @1 amp. Newer computers and specially designed charging ports can and do deliver more than 1 A via USB but they all deliver a maximum of 5 volts.
12 watts divided by 5 volts = 2.4A
If you look at your charger you'll see the output amps listed as 2.1A or 2100 mA.
Sony's included charger only delivers 1.5A or 1500mA, so yes it charges slower and when the tablet is under high load, has a hard time keeping the battery at 100%.
The real concern here, is what effect does delivering 2.1A of current to the battery day after day have on the useful life expectancy of that battery? I don't know the answer because I don't know anything about the battery that Sony uses. It's possible, if Sony, used a top quality battery, that charging with 2.1A will have no effect at all and Sony just wanted to save a buck or two by including a weaker charger in the box. On the other hand, Sony may have deliberately used a battery designed to accept 1.5A and included an appropriate charger.
As I said in a post above, apart from the battery overheating while charging (if it wasn't designed to charge @ 2.1A) and a reduced useful life of the battery, there shouldn't be any real problem using a "slightly" more powerful charger - up to a point. Charge with too many amps and the battery will probably explode or at the very least melt, potentially causing a fire if left unattended.
When talking to Sony, the question you need to ask, "Is the battery rated for 2.1A or only 1.5A?"
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That i can agree with and it's a risk i am willing to take. There is people who say the 2.1A charger wont affect charging time in a positive way at all. That's what what i refered to when i said it's not true.
Jequan said:
That i can agree with and it's a risk i am willing to take. There is people who say the 2.1A charger wont affect charging time in a positive way at all. That's what what i refered to when i said it's not true.
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Definitely. More current (which is what Amps measure) means faster charge times, as long as what is being charged can accept the current being provided. You should be fine, but what do I know. PM me in six months and let me know if your battery still last a reasonable amount of time - then we'll know.
dph3055 said:
Well, yes and no. Watts, Amps and Volts are all different measurements for different things and it can be quite confusing to figure out to the uninitiated. Watts is a mathematical calculation based on Ohm's Law. Watts = Volts x Amps
All USB devices accept a maximum of 5 volts. USB standards cap the max power delivered to a device @ 5 volts. Most standard USB ports deliver 5 volts @1 amp. Newer computers and specially designed charging ports can and do deliver more than 1 A via USB but they all deliver a maximum of 5 volts.
12 watts divided by 5 volts = 2.4A
If you look at your charger you'll see the output amps listed as 2.1A or 2100 mA.
Sony's included charger only delivers 1.5A or 1500mA, so yes it charges slower and when the tablet is under high load, has a hard time keeping the battery at 100%.
The real concern here, is what effect does delivering 2.1A of current to the battery day after day have on the useful life expectancy of that battery? I don't know the answer because I don't know anything about the battery that Sony uses. It's possible, if Sony, used a top quality battery, that charging with 2.1A will have no effect at all and Sony just wanted to save a buck or two by including a weaker charger in the box. On the other hand, Sony may have deliberately used a battery designed to accept 1.5A and included an appropriate charger.
As I said in a post above, apart from the battery overheating while charging (if it wasn't designed to charge @ 2.1A) and a reduced useful life of the battery, there shouldn't be any real problem using a "slightly" more powerful charger - up to a point. Charge with too many amps and the battery will probably explode or at the very least melt, potentially causing a fire if left unattended.
When talking to Sony, the question you need to ask, "Is the battery rated for 2.1A or only 1.5A?"
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You're kinda right, but kinda not....
The charging circuitry inside the tablet is what regulates the charging current, not the 'charger', it will have min and max currents (the thing we plug into the wall that we all call a charger, is really just a power supply, there's no charging circuitry inside it.) That's why it doesn't charge from a standard usb port (which is 500mA) so, if it's charging faster with a 2.1A power supply, then it's obviously designed to do so.
Let's say, for example, the tab can accept a charging current of between 700mA-2.5A. Obviously, the charge time will be slower at 700mA than 2.5A, however, if you were to plug in a 5A power supply, the charging circuitry in the tablet will still only draw the 2.5A its designed to. So, don't worry about giving it too much, it's not possible.
Now, I don't know what the min and max charge currents are, but I can tell you that mine will charge (very slowly) from a 700mA LG charger.
And also, the dock for the tablet states an input of 1800mA,
So, we can assume the min is at least 700mA and the max is at least 1800.
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technaudio,
That's my age showing. Back before some smart guy invented the wheel, we gave a device power and if we gave too much a fuse would blow. I didn't mean to imply that the charging circuit was contained in the wall plug but at the same time, I failed to appreciate that the Tab was designed to prevent an over current situation.
...now let's see what happens when I give this puppy 15A AC...damn, melted the usb cable...
@dph3055
I knew what you meant, but some others on here probably wouldn't.
I've seen a lot of threads saying using a 'too powerful' charger will damage the battery.
It just won't.
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