Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that the Photon 4G is no longer offered as a choice on Sprint's website. The OG Epic 4G is even still there, but no Photon, it's missing in action...
Yes, Since the Photon 4G will can not support Sprint's LTE network, they have discontinued it. Phones that are only 3g are still there but the ones that could not be upgraded to support the LTE network have been discontinued and removed.
kingofnerds said:
Yes, Since the Photon 4G will can not support Sprint's LTE network, they have discontinued it. Phones that are only 3g are still there but the ones that could not be upgraded to support the LTE network have been discontinued and removed.
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Well, that would make sense except they are still offering the original Epic 4G. So maybe it's Motorola and not Sprint.
I have not looked into the Epic at all. Can that phone be upgraded to be LTE? I know that the Photon can not.
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I have not looked into the Epic at all. Can that phone be upgraded to be LTE? I know that the Photon can not.
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No, not at all. I still have both. Only will do WiMAX.
well, either way, The photon has been removed from Sprint's store for almost a month now. There were theories that there was going to be another motorola super phone released in the near future, but those have yet to be confirmed from what I have seen.
I got the Photon this past September and as of 6/1/12 the Sprint website says I can uprade at discount prices on a new 2 year contract. Is this normal, or did they change their upgrade policy? Is anyone else seeing early update options?
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well, either way, The photon has been removed from Sprint's store for almost a month now. There were theories that there was going to be another motorola super phone released in the near future, but those have yet to be confirmed from what I have seen.
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I just now noticed it missing. LOL. There is rumor of a "Photon Q 4G" on the horizon with a slide out keyboard.
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I got the Photon this past September and as of 6/1/12 the Sprint website says I can uprade at discount prices on a new 2 year contract. Is this normal, or did they change their upgrade policy? Is anyone else seeing early update options?
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Were you a sprint premier customer before they got rid of it?
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Were you a sprint premier customer before they got rid of it?
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Not that I am aware of. I don't even really know what Sprint Premier is. I was wondering if maybe they did this for all Photon owners but no one else mentioned anything. Or maybe I just got lucky and it's a goof up.
Complete Goof-up
340 days for my upgrade still.
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Yes, Since the Photon 4G will can not support Sprint's LTE network, they have discontinued it. Phones that are only 3g are still there but the ones that could not be upgraded to support the LTE network have been discontinued and removed.
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With all due respect, your comment doesn't make sense. As the OP states, the Epic 4G doesn't support LTE either (and can't be upgraded to it), but is still there.
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With all due respect, your comment doesn't make sense. As the OP states, the Epic 4G doesn't support LTE either (and can't be upgraded to it), but is still there.
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Lmaoooo
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From what I have read this is the conclusion I come up with...
Sprint needed to clear up some room in the phone lineup for upcoming LTE devices. They need to keep a certain range of phones for each category: budget, mainstream, and power user. The Photon was in the power user (top tier) category. Since they have the new EVO and will be getting the SGS3 as well as a few others, bundled with the fact that the Photon was probably one of lesser selling devices (especially since the release of the SGS2) it makes sense that the Photon was discontinued.
Of course we all know the reason why the Photon was not successful is because of the lack of marketing on Sprint's part and the lack of push by sales team within Sprint. I'm sure if someone came into the store and there was the Epic Touch and Photon sitting side-by-side the typical sales person would push the Samsung first.
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From what I have read this is the conclusion I come up with...
Sprint needed to clear up some room in the phone lineup for upcoming LTE devices. They need to keep a certain range of phones for each category: budget, mainstream, and power user. The Photon was in the power user (top tier) category. Since they have the new EVO and will be getting the SGS3 as well as a few others, bundled with the fact that the Photon was probably one of lesser selling devices (especially since the release of the SGS2) it makes sense that the Photon was discontinued.
Of course we all know the reason why the Photon was not successful is because of the lack of marketing on Sprint's part and the lack of push by sales team within Sprint. I'm sure if someone came into the store and there was the Epic Touch and Photon sitting side-by-side the typical sales person would push the Samsung first.
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When i worked for sprint I pushed for people to buy the photon very hard, and i had a lot of successful sales with it when i showed them mine in action, no one ever brought one back
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If it wasn't for the signal issues with the SGS2, I would have gotten that. When I saw that it had been almost three months at the time and the signal issues hadn't been fixed, I decided against it. When I saw them side-by-side in the store, the SGS2 had a nicer looking screen, and the Photon was very jittery when I'd swipe from one screen to the next. Ultimately, I'm really glad I got the Photon. However, I remember talking to a lot of friends who had the same first impression of it.
I got the photon from Target mobile because it was $50 with my upgrade, and the SGS2 was $200. But the rep pushed me hard into anything but the Photon. He first pushed the SGS2, then the Evo 3D, and then encouraged me to look at an iPhone instead of the Photon. I was actually really discouraged until I got it home and realized what a badass it was!
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I got the photon from Target mobile because it was $50 with my upgrade, and the SGS2 was $200. But the rep pushed me hard into anything but the Photon. He first pushed the SGS2, then the Evo 3D, and then encouraged me to look at an iPhone instead of the Photon. I was actually really discouraged until I got it home and realized what a badass it was!
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Yeah, that's too bad. I still have my photon and was hoping for ICS goodness, but it was pushed back to Q4 2012 and likely won't get it. This is the only reason I went with the GNex. I hate bloat, but I do love my photon. It is interesting how Sprint is only interested in HTC and Samsung first before any other Android, except now pushing LG viper, but I bet that'll be a red-headed step child soon.
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Yeah, that's too bad. I still have my photon and was hoping for ICS goodness, but it was pushed back to Q4 2012 and likely won't get it. This is the only reason I went with the GNex. I hate bloat, but I do love my photon. It is interesting how Sprint is only interested in HTC and Samsung first before any other Android, except now pushing LG viper, but I bet that'll be a red-headed step child soon.
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Anyone else think its going to be almost impossible to get one? Look at the evo... its STILL out of freakin in and out of stock online...
With the earthquake in Japan slowing the manufacturing industry down, I would imagine there will be shortages of a lot of products, beyond what there normally would be.
I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
The only reason they keep running low on stock is because they haven't ramped up production. If Sprint wanted to, they could flood the market with EVO 4Gs.
I'm going to bust my ass to get on the list.
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I doubt it. Most who got an EVO now wont be able to upgrade and that means less purchases.
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Perfect reason to preorder one! I know I will.
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I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
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some of qualcomm's part comes from japan. so.......yeah.......it means delay.
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some of qualcomm's part comes from japan. so.......yeah.......it means delay.
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KIRF to the rescue?
NEW FLASH!!!
There are to few Premier members that will qualify for the upgrade now that it won't make any difference.....
Ok, maybe it's not a news flash, but my gut is telling me demand for the EVO 3D won't be as high as it was for the EVO. There's just to many choices now on other carriers and like I said, Sprint's annual upgrade basically doesn't exist for more now...
BTW, I have a feeling that the Japan issue is really a non issue; mostly because the phone won't be released till the summer. Also, Toyota and other car manufactures have already gotten their plants running, so there has to also be a way to ship them out. If you get a auto factory running and can ship a ship full of cars out, I think they should be able build phone parts and ship a billion phone parts out...
I went to verizon the other day with a friend of mine and he was checking out the Thunderbolt. He àsked how their stock has been and they guy said they have sold a ton of them but HTC has been shipping them as soon as they run out. so they haven't had any problem keeping them in stock. Im not sure but im thinking that could be a sign for us that they will keep a decent stock this time and not miss out on sales like with the Evo.
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Ok, maybe it's not a news flash, but my gut is telling me demand for the EVO 3D won't be as high as it was for the EVO. There's just to many choices now on other carriers and like I said, Sprint's annual upgrade basically doesn't exist for more now...
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Due to the recent change in the gold/silver Premier levels?
If that's the case, because I'm still gold, I'll be ahead of almost everyone. Sweet! I'm so tired of my HTC Hero already, been holding out all this time for a dual-core.
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NEW FLASH!!!
There are to few Premier members that will qualify for the upgrade now that it won't make any difference.....
Ok, maybe it's not a news flash, but my gut is telling me demand for the EVO 3D won't be as high as it was for the EVO. There's just to many choices now on other carriers and like I said, Sprint's annual upgrade basically doesn't exist for more now...
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There are still going to be a lot of people using full upgrades/other lines on family plans as well as new customers. Not to mention the people who are still eligible for premier upgrades, and, of course, those who will buy the 3D outright. I fully expect demand to be as high or higher than the OG Evo.
My store is still selling out of stock on the 4G whenever we get them, so the demand is there. You also have to factor in a year of people talking about the EVO which spreads it appeal to the more average customers, as opposed to the 4G launch which was driven by tech-types who knew it was coming.
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I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
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You don't see why plant closures in Japan from some large semiconductor manufacturers would slow them down? Not to say it's going to grind to a halt, but it will have an effect, even if only a small one.
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I don't see why japan disaster would slow the chinese sweatshops
yes there well be lots of shortages due to demand for a few months, even now the evo 4g still runs out of stock and the E3D well certainly be more popular
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also you are thinking wrong. you think if korea has been hit with the disaster, you are probably thinking apple will now rule thw world? wrong.
apple uses lg displays, samsungs chip. world can not survive alone anymore. no lg and samsung=no apple.
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There are still going to be a lot of people using full upgrades/other lines on family plans as well as new customers. Not to mention the people who are still eligible for premier upgrades, and, of course, those who will buy the 3D outright. I fully expect demand to be as high or higher than the OG Evo.
My store is still selling out of stock on the 4G whenever we get them, so the demand is there. You also have to factor in a year of people talking about the EVO which spreads it appeal to the more average customers, as opposed to the 4G launch which was driven by tech-types who knew it was coming.
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I'd say the reason you're still selling out of EVO's are because, on Sprint, there's nothing that compares to it in over all features. Sprint is very limited in what top tier phones they carry, and they just don't seem to want to stock them. Believe me, it's not a manufacturing issue. If it were, it'd be almost impossible to get an iPhone.
Here's another possible problem for block buster sales of the EVO 3D. Unlike last year, where Sprint was the only one offering 4G and the was really no comparable phones to the EVO 4G, it's a different story now. Verizon's spring roadmap has been leaked and they are announcing more 4G dual core phones in May.
If people see comparable phones sooner on another carrier and it's available sooner, why wouldn't many people just switch? Especially since LTE is the new buzz word and we've all come to see that LTE coverage is very good (I'm talking about actually having coverage where coverage is supposed to be), with great building penetration? In addition to that, Verizon is saying they'll have 4G (LTE) available in 147 markets by the end of this year, where Sprint/Clearwire looks frozen. Sprint won't even give a hint on what's to be expected by end of year. Because of this, Sprint's price advantage is gone... No one wants to stay on yesterdays network, that's clogged, when you get get new for just a bit more a month.
OK, #1, yes I know the forum rules (Not to bash, keep it clean, no religious stuff............) and I have not in my years here, broke them! BUT, I feel every now and then, I should be entiled to a free one? Today is that day!!
I say f**k Sprint! I was over at SprintFeed.com and Sprint has announced the EOL (End of Life) for Photon next month! I will tell you exactly why this pisses me off!!
#1 (Yea I know #1 is above, im starting over!). I went out and got the damm Evo for $500.00 summer of 2010. Last summer, Sprint blasted the TV with the Evo 3D but only one or 2 commercials for Photon. Photon, IMO, was and is, 100 times better than3D in every way, But Sprint blasted the damm Evo. I dont need a toy, I need a bussiness phone that will assist me in getting the job done. So I pay $638.00, no contract for Photon with 4G August 2, 2011.
#2. I work in IT, I have million $$$ ideas all the time, but it takes me 6 months to a year before anything actually gets done (plan, summary, approval, check, delivery) Therefore, with the November announcement of LTE, they knew damm right well when get got our phones, many of us, me included, did not have 4G and never would have it!! So the sales was entierly a lie!!!! (And to be honest, I cannot recall a TV commercial after August but I still see crap for the toy 3D!)
#3. If end of life is next month, then Q3 ICS is more smoke getting blown up our a**es!!
#4. With this announcement, my $638.00 Photon just became a worthless paperweight! Why? How much are you willing to pay me for my Photon, knowing that if it breaks or f**k's up one week later, your SOL? Seriously? This goes for anything in life! Would you pay top dollar for a I.B.M Thinkpad you know I.B.M no longer supports? NO!!!!
#5. Why is the original Evo still supported, but we did not even get a year? How come everyone got unlocked bootloader and ROM's out the a**? What did we get? Not a damm thing!!! (The development team here worked hard, but Sprint showed no support for them at all!!!)
#6. Also on SprintFeed.com, HTC and Sprint have big announcement April 4th where it is expected they will announce the new EVO for June 10th release date. If the spec's are whats expected, I will jump ship. Whats that gonna cost me?
#7. All so on that website, Wall Street had lowered the boom on Sprint. This means 2 things. They don't have the money they claim they have and could go bankrupt. and what happens to the LTE project and will I ever see 4G?
I just think, IMO, that this is a complete slap in the face to every Photon owner!!!
End of Rant!!
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#4. With this announcement, my $638.00 Photon just became a worthless paperweight!
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Huh, that's so weird, my Photon is still working great. I hope the devs here at XDA can come up with some kind of mod that blocks the worthless paperweight update.
Its not that serious bro, its just a phone. I love my photon and there's nothing sprint can do to change that.
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Dude!!!..... I can't complain abut my Photon, the 4 months or so it has been with me has NEVER let me down one bit, to this day it is the BEST phone I have ever owned, the international capabilities which I was finally able to try on a trip to Mexico last week made me love it even more. I was able to use a Telcel Sim card and used all the features in my phone with no problems no errors no nothing.
(Actually to my surprise Telcel's 3G speeds are awesome compared to Sprint's)
But sadly every phones has an EOL and technology is improving every second..
I don't really see the point of even have a fit about it LOL
Seeing that I no longer work for Sprint I have no issue saying this. Sprint half-assed the handling of the Photon since day one. Considering Sprint's history with Moto Android phones they had no faith in Moto's product and made no real effort to support or push the Photon. This started before the phone was ever released.
Sprint had the update fix for the silent call bug over a month PRIOR to the release of the Photon. Instead of pushing the update on launch day they held off for a month before releasing the fix. So you have a new phone with a major bug that didn't get fixed til after the crucial launch month window had passed. Result, a new phone that doesn't work for enough people to kill sales.
Sprint advertising and sales training was also almost nonexistant. In many cases it was "and Moto makes phones too but who cares" kind of approach. I had setup a live WebTop display running Firefox streaming HULU in the store I worked in. Customers thought it was the Evo 3D and didn't even know the Photon even existed. The first response when told it wasn't the 3D was "Yeh but the 3D can do that too." and very rarely could you convince them otherwise.
In short, Sprint could care less if they ever sell another Moto Android phone and have treated the Photon with that mindset from the start. They can now go back to Moto and say "Look, your crappy phone doesn't sell so no Sprint for you."
Just because it will reach EOL status doesn't mean a whole lot to me. I started with the original Droid on Verizon and EOL was reached a loooong time ago on it and a small update was recently available for it! And there is still development going on for it as well. As long as we have some good devs that still care about it, EOL status is irrelevant.
oh well, fun while it lasted, i upgraded to the photon over my OG evo, loved it since day one, i recently went back to my EVO 3D, so when the ICS update comes out (as promised i hope) i'll update my photon and go back to it, but when it's completely gone, all i'll say is, i have a rare sprint phone (just like my echo) that not a lot of people have, and wait for the newest smartphone to come out
You do realize that all Wimax phones will be going EOL come about Summer when lte launches. And everybody else is right EOL just means they start to pull inventory from the stores no biggie. like the evo shift, epic, nexus, and trender i work at a store and we haven't gotten a shipment for them in 2 weeks and we are out.
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Agreed
As I'm sure MOST people who own a MoPho agree, this phone needs much more love from the dev community, I love this phone in it's natural form! I had an OG Evo 4G and modding it was the only thing I could do to keep it up and running. This phone KILLS IT out of the box! The Tegra 2 is incredibly smooth.
I really want ICS for it, but I'll have this MoPho for A LOT longer than my crap EVO.
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Also, If this phone IS EOL soon, does that mean it WILL get unlocked? Just curious if they didn't care about a phone anymore, they would UNLOCK the bootloader for us.
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Also, If this phone IS EOL soon, does that mean it WILL get unlocked? Just curious if they didn't care about a phone anymore, they would UNLOCK the bootloader for us.
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Nope. It means no updates,support or unlock from official channels. Sprint will still repair/replace it but short of PRL and critical security updates, the phone doesn't exist to Sprint after the EOL date. I'd also expect this to kill the ICS update as well as it will not have passed Sprint's internal "QC and testing" and I do not believe Moto has authorization for a direct push.
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Nope. It means no updates,support or unlock from official channels. Sprint will still repair/replace it but short of PRL and critical security updates, the phone doesn't exist to Sprint after the EOL date. I'd also expect this to kill the ICS update as well as it will not have passed Sprint's internal "QC and testing" and I do not believe Moto has authorization for a direct push.
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I really hope that's not true - since they've officially announced the ICS update for the Photon, I would hope they keep their word. Although I've been frustrated with all the dead links throughout the forums here, I have been still very happy with the Photon vs the Evo so far, it's an amazing device.
Sprint's got me barely hanging on by halving my bill while the network upgrades supposedly happen -- but if speeds don't increase and awesome devices like this aren't supported, I'll be joining the hordes jumping ship to Verizon.
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No religious stuff? Everyone knows Jesus is the way! If ya don't l, he is!
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I hope this works out for Sprint. In two years, no iDen or WiMax networks. That should greatly cut costs.
I use to love Sprint, but now it's just like they're in the business of hooking you in for the business and then coming up with ways to increase your bill. I use to have 5 lines, all qualified for the company discount, then only 2, and now only 1. I've transferred my phone over to Google, so that moving forward I can switch between companies with minimal inconveniences. Sprint essentially has no high-end world phones....
OK, Most of you are missing the entire point! I have NO problems with my Photon. I LOVE MY PHONE!!!
Go back and read post #5 and #10 by lokifish Marz. Sprint s**t on this phone from day 1!! I said it in my OP, he confirmed it as a ex-Sprint empolyee!!!
I will tell you a funny story. August 20th 2011 my power button fell out, so I had to use my finger nail to cut it on/off. Me and 2 co-workers took it to Sprint at the Garden State Plaza on RT4 in New Jersey. Chick tells me, "I have one of the tech look at it!" No problem. This idiot comes from the back and the first thing out of his mouth, "Have you had this phone for 30 days or less?" Just like lokifish Marz said, no training and no marketing!
As for XDA Development, most of the heavy hitters have jump ship and do cleanup work here (which we are thankful!)
Now the new EVO is something to brag about, no doubt. But August 1st of 2011, This was by far the best phone available from ANY carrier, and Sprint gave it no love!
EOL would kinda suck as I was planning to keep this until March when my contract is up, then re-evaluate if I want to keep Sprint.
On the other hand, I do remember back in September the Evo 4g was on the EOL list for October. It still has not gone EOL. Then again that was a far more popular phone.
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On the other hand, I do remember back in September the Evo 4g was on the EOL list for October. It still has not gone EOL. Then again that was a far more popular phone.
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Its back on the list for "Early April". I dont get why EVO 3D is not on the list and Photon is?
Before getting the Photon, I had a Droid Eris on Verizon and I went through the same thing. Thanks to the xda devs and community, I was able to squeeze 2 years out of it. Before rooting and loading a custom rom, using the phone was a nightmare.
I guess I'm getting used to, and have the unfortunate luck, of buying the devices that receive the least support down the road. I chose Sprint, because I thought they were somehow less evil than Verizon but corporations will be corporations.
I still hope the Photon will have a long life after losing official support. I love the phone itself.
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Before getting the Photon, I had a Droid Eris on Verizon and I went through the same thing. Thanks to the xda devs and community, I was able to squeeze 2 years out of it. Before rooting and loading a custom rom, using the phone was a nightmare.
I guess I'm getting used to, and have the unfortunate luck, of buying the devices that receive the least support down the road. I chose Sprint, because I thought they were somehow less evil than Verizon but corporations will be corporations.
I still hope the Photon will have a long life after losing official support. I love the phone itself.
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This sounds very familiar to me, except for me it was the Palm Pre instead of the Droid Eris. I'm starting to think I'm a curse - if I like a phone, prepare for it to turn into a stepchild and let the bitterness begin. Maybe I should go buy an iPhone and see if I can kill it...
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Maybe I should go buy an iPhone and see if I can kill it...
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Go for it! haha!
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You do realize that all Wimax phones will be going EOL come about Summer when lte launches. And everybody else is right EOL just means they start to pull inventory from the stores no biggie. like the evo shift, epic, nexus, and trender i work at a store and we haven't gotten a shipment for them in 2 weeks and we are out.
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you feel the Nexus is a good upgrade from coming EVO?
I was told by an undisclosed source from motorola that the reason the mopho isnt getting ics till late this year is because of the "wimax slash lte " change. Also was told that the phone was manufactured with 2 different radio chipsets and those who dont have the wimax lte chipset will be replaced with ones that do or be given the option to upgrade early to one. Like i said this is coming from a undisclosed source. So take it as u will until its released its just a rumor.
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I could see them doing that. My mom was offered an early upgrade due to Verizon buying out altell. Also my brother got an early upgrade 4 months after he signed a contract through either at&t or sprint or some major carrier due to technology change or contract revisions. Either way I'm pretty sure if I called sprint after they release their first LTE phone I would most likely be able to get it at least as an early upgrade and I just signed in February. I was paying a forced charge of 10 extra a month for the ability to use 4G that I don't even have in my area lol after a few phone calls to sprint I now get a credit of $10 on each bill. They can't take it off my bill but they have it set up to automatically apply each month. Sprint can be major push overs
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I could see them doing that. My mom was offered an early upgrade due to Verizon buying out altell. Also my brother got an early upgrade 4 months after he signed a contract through either at&t or sprint or some major carrier due to technology change or contract revisions. Either way I'm pretty sure if I called sprint after they release their first LTE phone I would most likely be able to get it at least as an early upgrade and I just signed in February. I was paying a forced charge of 10 extra a month for the ability to use 4G that I don't even have in my area lol after a few phone calls to sprint I now get a credit of $10 on each bill. They can't take it off my bill but they have it set up to automatically apply each month. Sprint can be major push overs
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Howd you manage the $10 credit.. its a "premium data plan" or whatever they call it, it nowhere actually calls out 4g, for mine atleast. I mean it started around time they launched their WiMax so in reality it is essentially a 4g charge but worded without actually it claiming to be that anywhere in writing. And as far as a second Photon with LTE coming im somewhat skeptical.. I guess that *might* explain the EOL announcement to the Photon we have now..? Still don't quite think that there will be a LTE Photon for Sprint though.. And im sure if you raise enough hell with Sprint that'd they'd be semi useful for once and be able to help you out with upgrading early to a LTE device once their network is up.
Well according to a few sprint employees i spoke to, when the mopho gets ics the lte update will come with it..but thats just what they say, i doubt it but i sure hope its true..and the $10 monthly fee is just because its a smart phone and uses more data "premium data" charge..
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I could see them doing that. My mom was offered an early upgrade due to Verizon buying out altell. Also my brother got an early upgrade 4 months after he signed a contract through either at&t or sprint or some major carrier due to technology change or contract revisions. Either way I'm pretty sure if I called sprint after they release their first LTE phone I would most likely be able to get it at least as an early upgrade and I just signed in February. I was paying a forced charge of 10 extra a month for the ability to use 4G that I don't even have in my area lol after a few phone calls to sprint I now get a credit of $10 on each bill. They can't take it off my bill but they have it set up to automatically apply each month. Sprint can be major push overs
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That is the ONE thing I've been trying to get, but to no avail. I did get let off contract for 11 lines and several brand new devices though, so I think I'm still coming out ahead. Cheers to you!
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Well according to a few sprint employees i spoke to, when the mopho gets ics the lte update will come with it..but thats just what they say, i doubt it but i sure hope its true..and the $10 monthly fee is just because its a smart phone and uses more data "premium data" charge..
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Lol well our current Photons have no LTE radio hardware.. So ICS (if we actually do end up getting it) won't be able to bring us LTE, UNLESS they release a whole new version of Photon with newer/different radios. We have the Beceem BCSM350-L radio in our Photons.. aka no LTE capability..
To be fair my source works for motorola and is in the hardware division so unless u opened the photon and seen it was the 350 which it is not. We will all see. And motorola has no plans im aware of of making a photon 2.
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To be fair my source works for motorola and is in the hardware division so unless u opened the photon and seen it was the 350 which it is not. We will all see. And motorola has no plans im aware of of making a photon 2.
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I haven't personally taken mine apart.. but someone has.. Here Not trying to start an argument just saying that I personally find it pretty unlikely that we will ever end up with LTE on the Photon, as sad as that truth is.. And that I have decent reasoning behind thinking that.
Here it is in Lokifish Marz "All things Mopho" post as well.
w0lf215 said:
I haven't personally taken mine apart.. but someone has.. Here Not trying to start an argument just saying that I personally find it pretty unlikely that we will ever end up with LTE on the Photon, as sad as that truth is.. And that I have decent reasoning behind thinking that.
Here it is in Lokifish Marz "All things Mopho" post as well.
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#1. Thank you for both of your post.
#2. No matter how many times it's posted and proven, the "We have LTE with software radio upgrade" comes up. kennypow3rs even have photos from FCC of stripped down Photon! This dead horse was beat to death during the Nov-Dec timeframe.
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#1. Thank you for both of your post.
#2. No matter how many times it's posted and proven, the "We have LTE with software radio upgrade" comes up. kennypow3rs even have photos from FCC of stripped down Photon! This dead horse was beat to death during the Nov-Dec timeframe.
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Yes, this has been argued over and over again throughout the past months. lets not start it again, its getting old.
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Yes, this has been argued over and over again throughout the past months. lets not start it again, its getting old.
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That's why most senior members quit responding to these threads ;-) im just bored!
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w0lf215 said:
Howd you manage the $10 credit.. its a "premium data plan" or whatever they call it, it nowhere actually calls out 4g, for mine atleast. I mean it started around time they launched their WiMax so in reality it is essentially a 4g charge but worded without actually it claiming to be that anywhere in writing. And as far as a second Photon with LTE coming im somewhat skeptical.. I guess that *might* explain the EOL announcement to the Photon we have now..? Still don't quite think that there will be a LTE Photon for Sprint though.. And im sure if you raise enough hell with Sprint that'd they'd be semi useful for once and be able to help you out with upgrading early to a LTE device once their network is up.
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I just called sprint and talked to them about the photon going on EOL and simply asked sense I just signed on in February and this phone going on the EOL and them dropping wimax support if I could have an early upgrade to an LTE supported device when one is released and they placed me on hold for a few minutes and came back and said that my account was noted and I will be able to upgrade if I wanted but I would lose my 10 credit each month for the premium data if I upgraded to an LTE device
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Which would u choose? I'm figthin the urge to go buy the galaxy nexus Sunday I love the photon and thinking it may be better to wait on a fully functional stable joker rom cuz I miss hbo go...I don't really believe Motorola is actually gonna update this phone to ICS in the future and I'm not worried about LTE just yet I'll jump on that train when it actually rolls out in my area
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Which would u choose? I'm figthin the urge to go buy the galaxy nexus Sunday I love the photon and thinking it may be better to wait on a fully functional stable joker rom cuz I miss hbo go...I don't really believe Motorola is actually gonna update this phone to ICS in the future and I'm not worried about LTE just yet I'll jump on that train when it actually rolls out in my area
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Absolutely positively zero question, the Galaxy nexus all the way.
My friend has one, I've spent extensive time using it. Simply the best phone I've ever used, it was phone of the year last year.
Also, being a Nexus phone - you will get the first updates for new OS'es . My sisters Nexus S got ICS already. Effen Motorola said what... November?
Jokers work is awesome, and I thank him profusely. I hope Motorola hires him!
For me, this phone is a red headed stepchild. Moto only cars about Verizon customers. I'm never buying a moto phone again.
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Absolutely positively zero question, the Galaxy nexus all the way.
My friend has one, I've spent extensive time using it. Simply the best phone I've every used, it was phone of the year last year.
Also, being a Nexus phone - you will get the first updates for new OS'es . My sisters Nexus S got ICS already. Effen Motorola said what... November?
Jokers work is awesome, and I thank him profusely. I hope Motorola hires him!
For me, this phone is a red headed stepchild. Moto only cars about Verizon customers. I'm never buying a moto phone again.
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The Nexus is already obsolete. I'd wait and see what the Galaxy SIII has to offer when Samsung makes the announcement on May 3. I'm not impressed by Sprint's verison of the HTC One X. HTC lost me after releasing that piece of crap Evo 3D (always losing signal and roaming). And according to the FCC test results, the radio in the EVO 4G LTE seems to be crappy as well.
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galaxy nexus is be OK,I think that..
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The Nexus is already obsolete. I'd wait and see what the Galaxy SIII has to offer when Samsung makes the announcement on May 3. I'm not impressed by Sprint's verison of the HTC One X. HTC lost me after releasing that piece of crap Evo 3D (always losing signal and roaming). And according to the FCC test results, the radio in the EVO 4G LTE seems to be crappy as well.
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Have you not been paying attention to all the Epic 4G Touch issues? For months the phone would just randomly drop service without letting you know and you had to reboot to restore it. The radio in it is garbage on top of that. The Photon radio is a serious step up. Every single phone Samsung has released for Sprint has had major issues.
I really dont like my Photon and it will be the last Motorola phone I buy. My wife has a DroidX2 Global on Verizon and its a piece of crap too. She's probably going to go to an iPhone (Its her work phone and they have discontinued Android devides so its either iPhone or BB) and Im going to get a HTC One when it comes up for sale on Sprint. Maybe Ill give her my Photon for her Sprint line. She has an OG Epic she uses on Sprint but she probably hasnt made 10 calls on it in a year.
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The Nexus is already obsolete. I'd wait and see what the Galaxy SIII has to offer when Samsung makes the announcement on May 3. I'm not impressed by Sprint's verison of the HTC One X. HTC lost me after releasing that piece of crap Evo 3D (always losing signal and roaming). And according to the FCC test results, the radio in the EVO 4G LTE seems to be crappy as well.
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I'd hardly call it obsolete. Yes S3 series is going to get announced. HTC and Moto lost me, and a pure google with with no crappy skin is awesome.
Also, the Nexus community have dialed the roms in for that phone like race cars. The Roms and kernels are awesome.
Interesting about phones.. 5 months is considered obsolete. My intel i7-920 overclocked to 3.8Ghz is still an awesome computer. They chip was launched in 08.
My 2 cents!
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Have you not been paying attention to all the Epic 4G Touch issues? For months the phone would just randomly drop service without letting you know and you had to reboot to restore it. The radio in it is garbage on top of that. The Photon radio is a serious step up. Every single phone Samsung has released for Sprint has had major issues.
I really dont like my Photon and it will be the last Motorola phone I buy. My wife has a DroidX2 Global on Verizon and its a piece of crap too. She's probably going to go to an iPhone (Its her work phone and they have discontinued Android devides so its either iPhone or BB) and Im going to get a HTC One when it comes up for sale on Sprint. Maybe Ill give her my Photon for her Sprint line. She has an OG Epic she uses on Sprint but she probably hasnt made 10 calls on it in a year.
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The Photon is the best piece of hardware Sprint has to offer right now.
The Galaxy Nexus is just a tweaked Galaxy SII. I was a big HTC fan until the EVO 3D and I know Samsung phones aren't known for stellar radio performance, neither does HTC.
I'm waiting on the Galaxy SIII, but back to the OP's question.
I would go with a Galaxy Nexus because the display is absolutely gorgeous.
I owned one for a few weeks. Took it back because I'm on the edge of 2 Verizon LTE towers and would lose signal quite often. I know it's not isolated to the Nexus because a friend of mine owns the Verizon equivalent of the Photon (can't remember the name right now) and has the same LTE issues problem.
i been kickin around the same idea, and this EVO LTE is looking even better with a 1.5 GHz processor!?!?!
BUT.... i look back on the pros and cons
If i switch to the Nexus or EVO LTE
Pros(even tho they end up sounding like cons
-Faster Processor (even tho we have 1.3 OC i still clock down to 1.0, so not too powerful of persuasion.
-LTE - BUT... sprint is adding this technology and it will be WIP.
Screen - no doubt its a better screen, BUT it will probably chew more power
-1080p camera (but the devs are working on this for the photon)
-Official ICS (BUT id end up wiping out and flashing CM9 so im back to where i am now)
-Lighter - this is one pro that i cant argue, the EVO LTE is a feather!
-Front camera - 1.3 v vga (not a biggy for me)
Cons
-Only CDMA, less radios, less cell signal probably
-$$$ it will take a few bills outta my pocket
-phone is bigger and will be bigger in the jeans pocket
-more attractive to be stolen at the gym
when i rethink everything through, i honesty am more tempted to go buy a second photon for backup. The photon is not at a huge hardware disadvantage. software wise... just think how fast joker has done what he has done with using code out of the air. Im sittin my fat ass down with the photon for a long time.
Once or IF sprint ever comes back out with a worldwide android phone that can beat the Photon in the ring, THEN ill switch over. but for now, the photon has too great of devs, and amazing radios that i cant ignore. a phone is for communications, and without great radios, well... your SOL.
my 2 cents
Just hope this great devs don't switch over to an lte phone lol
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alot of great points being brought up i swore to myself i would never buy another samsung phone because i had a terrible experience with the epic touch signal wise i just didn't get the same signal i got with my photon in the exact same spots no arguing that. i would love to get the evo lte too BUT intergrated battery is too iphone-ish for me and i feel like it will be a HUGE disadvantage to rooters and another way for sprint to **** with me and take more money out my pocket if my phone gets screwed up if motorola werent on verizons jock i would wait for them to come out with a lte phone...by the way do you guys think that googles purchase of motorola will eventually lead to a Motorola manufactured Nexus? how awsome would that be
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Easy choice. The Galaxy Nexus. As much as I love the Photon, people need to look beyond the software UI when choosing a phone. Galaxy Nexus has LTE capability, Photon has Wimax capability. Wimax is on its way out while LTE is on its way in. The LTE footprint by Sprint will be nationwide whereas the Wimax footprint is standing put.
Get the Galaxy Nexus because even joker's rom is stock ICS which is what the galaxy nexus is anyways except you will get LTE capability at some point in the future depending on which market you live in.
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alot of great points being brought up i swore to myself i would never buy another samsung phone because i had a terrible experience with the epic touch signal wise i just didn't get the same signal i got with my photon in the exact same spots no arguing that. i would love to get the evo lte too BUT intergrated battery is too iphone-ish for me and i feel like it will be a HUGE disadvantage to rooters and another way for sprint to **** with me and take more money out my pocket if my phone gets screwed up if motorola werent on verizons jock i would wait for them to come out with a lte phone...by the way do you guys think that googles purchase of motorola will eventually lead to a Motorola manufactured Nexus? how awsome would that be
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Im with you there. I might be willing to try the Note but at this point, who knows if its coming or not.
Jeff_in_LA said:
Jokers work is awesome, and I thank him profusely. I hope Motorola hires him!
For me, this phone is a red headed stepchild. Moto only cars about Verizon customers. I'm never buying a moto phone again.
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why would they hire him?
And if you look at the amount of sold units between Vz and Sprint you would see why Moto caters to Vz. Sprint is no longer considered an Class A service provider by any OM.
photon all the way. with miui its a fantastic phone. and wouldnt trade if for anything. and yes. more is to come with this phone. it can only get better
How is a less functional phone fantastic? No 4G, no MMS
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How is a less functional phone fantastic? No 4G, no MMS
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How is a less functional phone fantastic? No 4G, no MMS[/QUO
I think he was thinking in terms of a fully functional ics rom and as far as 4g goes more people don't have it anyway
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My post was in response to the MIUI comment
Sorry I thought I quoted the post.
ICS is pretty cool but it should not be the primary driver in making this decision. The Photon is already running CM9 and it will get official ICS support later this year. You need to compare specs between these two phones and match them to your lifestyle. Me, I live in a suburban area where the signal strength is only OK. I used to get a decent signal outside and in different spots within my house but now that I have a Photon that has all changed. I get signal almost everywhere. I don't have 4G in my area so I'm able to run CM9 as my daily driver with zero complaints. In my opinion the Photon is superior but if I lived in the middle of Manhattan I'd probably be rocking a Galaxy Nexus because the city's coverage is much better and Manhattan will get LTE.
The Galaxy Nexus and Photon are really apples and oranges. One is a Wimax phone while the other is an LTE phone. There are some areas with both types of 4G, but for the most part if you're not in the buildout you'd be stuck with 3G data. One is $150 on craigslist and the other is $200 on contract.
Its better to compare the Galaxy Nexus to the HTC EVO 4G LTE. In that respect, the only advantage to the Galaxy Nexus is being a Google-supported device. That really doesn't mean much to me, since Google has shown that they only care about one generation past, and ICS only just came to the Nexus S 4G last week, even the HTC Sensation and the international Galaxy S2 got ICS before that.
Even if you have a fully functional Photon with ICS though, which doesn't exist, the Galaxy Nexus is still better. And you better be prepared to pay $400+ more for the privilege.
Let me start off by saying I'm an EVO/HTC fan, and not an employee of HTC or Sprint...
After years of no 4g for Original EVO, 3D and now the LTE in a large city in South Florida, I finally get fed up enough to call HTC USA, because if I'm not getting 4g, I at least want to JB. After stopping several support individuals and managers from reading from their script, I finally got an answer that floored me. Do to the different processor and chipset in our phone, HTC has not even released a JB source to Sprint. While the agent was VERY careful to never use the word NEVER, he basically said they have no current plans to release JB for the dual core USA/Sprint model, which is why we were left off the upgrade list in the first place.
Other models of the One series have already received at least a prep download for JB. If Sprint doesn't at least have the initial download to prepare our phone for JB, it doesn't look too good for us.
I think Sprint and HTC have no intention to release JB to us, and we need to accept it. I hope I'm wrong, but it was the most info I have ever received from HTC.
Lucy, you have some splaning to do!
They find the MSM8960 different? The rep may have stopped reading his "script", but may have made up a new 1.
I really hope you are right. Today was the first day I actually felt it wasn't going to happen.
I never thought Samsung would be better at pushing patches out to the public.
If it is true, my support with HTC will be finished. If Sprint can't get lte near Ft. Lauderdale by year's end, I might finally switch providers after 12 years. I've paid a premium to be an early adopter, phone-wise, and have never seen any type of 4g signal. Even worse, the 3g signal has become almost unusable. Unlimited crap is just that, a lot of crap. I'll be willing to bet, when 4g finally becomes the standard for sprint, it will be the end of unlimited.
I've stuck around because MeanRom makes my phone fly. Of course the data speed is out of his control.
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I really hope you are right. Today was the first day I actually felt it wasn't going to happen.
I never thought Samsung would be better at pushing patches out to the public.
If it is true, my support with HTC will be finished. If Sprint can't get lte near Ft. Lauderdale by year's end, I might finally switch providers after 12 years. I've paid a premium to be an early adopter, phone-wise, and have never seen any type of 4g signal. Even worse, the 3g signal has become almost unusable. Unlimited crap is just that, a lot of crap. I'll be willing to bet, when 4g finally becomes the standard for sprint, it will be the end of unlimited.
I've stuck around because MeanRom makes my phone fly. Of course the data speed is out of his control.
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there currently is LTE coverage in the Lauderdale area according to Sensorly. The airport is covered in it, sections of I-95, Broadview Park. Just give it time, deployment isn't that quick.
I keep saying the Evo LTE is still a different product line to HTC and Sprint, no matter how many similarities there are with the HOX. From a project and product management perspective, each device will have it's own requirements, development schedule, deliverables, etc. Then each carrier adds another set of differences. We can never expect to have everything the HOX gets. The HOX and HOS are their global handsets, and we're off in our own little US/Sprint only/Dual core/LTE world. I'll be glad if we ever get a JB upgrade, but we better not hold our breaths because we're just going to turn purple.
This doesn't make any sense...
F IT let's all go back to the HTC Hero for the Hell of it.
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F IT let's all go back to the HTC Hero for the Hell of it.
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I still got mine
So bc there is no leak you think they don't have a prep build they are working on?..... Come on use some logic bud, we are getting JB.
Locking this thread btw as xda is not a place to come and just have a complain fest like this will turn into, esp while there is a JB thread already.
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