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It's been a while since the phone was released but I cannot find any acceptable extended battery solutions still.
I mean 'cmon, mugen power battery (or alike) with the camel hump? Really?
The batteries that fit standard case and claim to be of a higher capacity are mostly always are fake.
Keeping a spare and changing it in the middle of a day is pretty cumbersome.
The only option that's left is to charge it at least twice a day.
So the question is, has someone came across a decent and non-ugly extended battery yet?
Nope
I've scoured the internet for hours looking for a solution like this. Alls i wanted was a 10-20% bump without the extra bulk.
Sadly, nothing. There were some non legit batteries that somebody had used on android forums that were 1900mAh, but sadly this also wasn't the best fit in the phone and ended up busting his battery cover.
Sadly, the answer to your queestion is no. Sorry!
Did HTC change the way devices operate when plugged in?
With the original evo 4g, it would run off the battery even when plugged in. Is that still the case with their newer devices (including the lte)?
gpz1100 said:
Did HTC change the way devices operate when plugged in?
With the original evo 4g, it would run off the battery even when plugged in. Is that still the case with their newer devices (including the lte)?
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I don't know the answer, but a fascinating question. Laptops don't run off the battery when charging (at least I don't think any ones I've ever owned do). So why should phones? They're basically little computers now anyway. I suppose we'll need a manual to know the answer, or an HTC rep.
While I agree with your assertion above, that was not the case with the original evo.
As is recall, this is demonstrated by using battery monitor widget or similar, with history enabled. The data would indicate that once the phone reached 100% charge, it would begin to discharge until about 90%. At this point it would start charging up again (until 100%) and the cycle would repeat.
If the phone is running off the charger while plugged in, the battery level should remain at 100% the entire time. Sure there were kernels available that would change the charge rate or thresholds. Anyone with an evo 3d care to chime in?
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While I agree with your assertion above, that was not the case with the original evo.
As is recall, this is demonstrated by using battery monitor widget or similar, with history enabled. The data would indicate that once the phone reached 100% charge, it would begin to discharge until about 90%. At this point it would start charging up again (until 100%) and the cycle would repeat.
If the phone is running off the charger while plugged in, the battery level should remain at 100% the entire time. Sure there were kernels available that would change the charge rate or thresholds. Anyone with an evo 3d care to chime in?
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That seems rather silly - what if you grab the phone off the charger when it is just down to that 90% marker? It will show up as 100% I presume, and then drop rapidly down to 90%? Hmmm... No wonder those SBC kernels are so useful!
It's the same reason most new laptops give you a battery health option that only charges to 80% if you keep a battery at full charge for an extended period of time the cells will overheat and eventually lose some of their charging ability kinda like when you use a float charge on a lawnmower battery it's on a constant charge and discharge to keep the battery healthy same rule applies here.
Whatever they do/did, I hope it's well thought out, considering the battery is not removable. Once the cells degrade,...phone is shot. A bit disappointing. I'm not here trying to fight about nonremovable battery and how long it will last, and ability yo swap out batteries. But the idea that battery degradation (which is inevitable) = shot phone DOES give me pause and concern.
sent from 2yr old Evo on ICS
Even after a year, there is noticeable diminished battery capacity. I've had the seidio 3500 in my original evo since about feb or march of last year. Fast forward to same time this year. I'd say it easily lost 20-25% capacity. With my typical usage, I could go for up to 4 days without having to recharge (yes, light user). Now, it's 2-2.5 days. I was bothered by it enough that I did an rma. Seidio said that's normal wear and tear. Fortunately, the credit card I used had an extended warranty feature too, so that's what covered it.
There will likely be a tear apart video/howto posted eventually on the evo lte. Although the battery may not be typical user replaceable, i'm confident it is possible to open the device with minimal damage.
I'm sure there will be a way to switch batteried, you'll just have to go to a phone tech probably. I'm not worried anyways, I'm still using my stock evo battery and it's still going strong
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Whatever they do/did, I hope it's well thought out, considering the battery is not removable. Once the cells degrade,...phone is shot. A bit disappointing. I'm not here trying to fight about nonremovable battery and how long it will last, and ability yo swap out batteries. But the idea that battery degradation (which is inevitable) = shot phone DOES give me pause and concern.
sent from 2yr old Evo on ICS
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I'm sure you can fork over some cash and get the battery replaced. I wouldn't lose any sleep over this. iPhones have survived with non-removable batteries for many years (although I always used that as a "con" in my comparisons between Apple and Google's respective phones).
My Evo 3D will discharge to 95% then back to 100% and repeat. It is done to keep the battery in good health longer.
Sent from my iPhone with the bigger Gee Bees.
Bump since no one has given input after "release". Very interested if we will still need to do that "turn it off, charge, unplug, charge, repeat" thing.
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i would guess the phone uses the usb power source and not the battery because a few days ago my battery was low and i plugged it into my car charger and continued to use the phone,A few moments later i got notified that the phone was useing power faster than the charger could supply it
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I'm sure you can fork over some cash and get the battery replaced. I wouldn't lose any sleep over this. iPhones have survived with non-removable batteries for many years (although I always used that as a "con" in my comparisons between Apple and Google's respective phones).
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This is true, But iPhone users have no choice. So they get used to it.
Android, at least for now, has choices regarding removeable batteries.
IPhone users also have a 3 1/2"? size screen, which they got used to.
I'd Never purchase an Android device with that size screen, even if it was available. I highly doubt they'd sell many of them with that size screen.
Reminds me of when I thought my HTC Touch Diamond's screen was so large, compared to my previous clamshell devices prior to that lol!
It was such a nice screen for its time, just like the iPhone was a nice screen for its time, but that time has long passed, except for iPhone users :-(
I feel pretty bad since Ive been bouncing around this forum asking questions about the root process for my friends Nook Tablet like there's no tomorrow. But Unfortunately I have yet another question about the Nook Tablet. I've done the Rooting process thanks in large, if not completely, to digixmax. But one thing Ive noticed is that the battery seems to die pretty quickly. Unfortunately I didnt take a moment to play with it before rooting, so I don't know if the battery was just getting old, or if it's because how much the CM11 Kitkat Rom is taxing the Nook Tablet. Either way, I explained to my friend that the battery may not last as long because the Nook Tablet probably wasn't exactly design to have all the features/functions of KitKit. She looked into battery option yesterday and cam back with this:
http://www.newpower99.com/Barnes_No...cement_Kit_p/barnes and noble nook tablet.htm
Does anyone know if the NewPower99 batteries are any good? And would it power the Tablet longer than the current factory battery?
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I feel pretty bad since Ive been bouncing around this forum asking questions about the root process for my friends Nook Tablet like there's no tomorrow. But Unfortunately I have yet another question about the Nook Tablet. I've done the Rooting process thanks in large, if not completely, to digixmax. But one thing Ive noticed is that the battery seems to die pretty quickly. Unfortunately I didnt take a moment to play with it before rooting, so I don't know if the battery was just getting old, or if it's because how much the CM11 Kitkat Rom is taxing the Nook Tablet. Either way, I explained to my friend that the battery may not last as long because the Nook Tablet probably wasn't exactly design to have all the features/functions of KitKit. She looked into battery option yesterday and cam back with this:
http://www.newpower99.com/Barnes_No...cement_Kit_p/barnes and noble nook tablet.htm
Does anyone know if the NewPower99 batteries are any good? And would it power the Tablet longer than the current factory battery?
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I realize this is a old post but I thought I would chime in on it. I have done a lot of research lately as I have a battery issue. Well it is a problem with phantom touches when the battery gets to 23% or so. From all I have read this is a battery issue. At first I was thinking it needed to be calibrated. However after digging though all the information, most battery calibration methods just delete the battery stats. This apparently is only data since the last time the device was charged, and not long term information that affects calibration (confirmed by a Google engineer). I did read about one other file to delete in \rom max#### if I remember correctly, and that might do it. I may try that soon.
The only other method I saw was to charge it full, run it down till it shuts down, charge it till full, turn it on and let it sit ON for 30 minutes (set screen shut down to 30 minutes), then plug it in to charge full. With some Android devices this can recalibrate the battery (which makes sense), but not sure if it will work on a NT or not. I am going to try it though.
But back to the battery, I did like the look of it and the video they did. I may purchase one from them if all of the above methods don't work. Someone else got a 3rd party battery from another company and said it worked well http://forum.xda-developers.com/nook-tablet/general/changed-battery-nook-tablet-t2829771 it is the same capacity which IS less than a original NT battery (3200 vs original NT at 4000) so you won't get the same runtime that you would with a brand new NT. That said all LI-ion batteries degrade with age, so even if you happened to find a new unopened device, the battery would not quite be the same as when it was released. Also while you can get batteries from say Ebay, you do not know how many cycles or life is left in them. Could be a few days, a few months or years. Even if they say 80% of the capacity is left in them, that is approximately what you will get with one of the new batteries anyway.
The one company is cheaper than the other (20 from batteryship.com vs $40 from newPower99) and they are the same capacity so I am not sure which one you would want to go with. As far as presentation goes, Power99 wins with their nice video on you tube and the look of the battery itself. Both seem to include the two tools necessary to do the battery replacement. So again up to you which way you want to go. Both have 1 year warranty. One thing about newpower99 they will install it for you for $60 http://www.newpower99.com/Battery_Replacement_Service_for_Nook_Tablet_p/nook-tablet-pbr.htm I can't vouch how well they do but if someone is really worried about doing it, then I would say let them do it instead.
Personally though I would just do it myself. But I did just find this on the newpower site "•Opening an electronic device and replacing the battery does entail risks to the functionality of the unit. NewPower99.com does not guarantee the overall functionality of your unit after battery replacement service. You acknowledge these risks and understand that NewPower99.com's maximum liability is limited to the cost of the battery replacement service." Which doesn't instill confidence in sending it to them lol.
When I got my G5 (Verizon VS987) I also got a spare battery and charging dock as a promotional extra.
The charging dock is connected to the USB port on my PC. When I swap batteries I put the discharged one in the charging dock and remove it when the lights indicate it's fully charged. If I don't swap batteries for a few days I'll stick it back into the charging dock for the few minutes it takes to bring it back to full charge.
Now I notice one battery is swollen, as if from charging too fast or ???
It still fits into the phone with some difficulty but it does fit.
I'm wondering if I should discard it or keep using it, wondering if it can damage the phone?
Any thoughts?
Do not use the swollen battery any more. Do not toss it in regular trash either - find an authorized battery recycling operation in your area. If you can't locate one immediately, store the battery in a dry, cool spot with electrical tape over the contacts until you can dispose of it properly. Continued use may cause the battery to fail and catch fire and/or explode.
Batteries can swell due to overcharging, but also wear and tear aging with frequent full charge cycles. If you've been using the battery daily for about a year it is not uncommon for it to show such signs of wear. Failure rates are also more common with cheaper, off-brand batteries that aren't made as well to begin with. Buy a replacement battery and make sure it is OEM quality.
I've had this happen once before with a Motorola V3 battery so you see how long ago that was!
I believe it's the USB port allowing charging at a faster rate than the factory charger? Two requirements, the charge must be from a USB port and the battery must be very discharged.
The swollen battery is genuine LG, sent direct from LG, whatever quality that might be. Both the swollen Motorola batteries continued to work just fine in the V3, the LG battery works but is VERY difficult to remove and is now out of the phone forever.
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I've had this happen once before with a Motorola V3 battery so you see how long ago that was!
I believe it's the USB port allowing charging at a faster rate than the factory charger? Two requirements, the charge must be from a USB port and the battery must be very discharged.
The swollen battery is genuine LG, sent direct from LG, whatever quality that might be. Both the swollen Motorola batteries continued to work just fine in the V3, the LG battery works but is VERY difficult to remove and is now out of the phone forever.
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It's not a problem of faster charging, but overcharging. The longer and more often a battery is charged 100% and left there, the quicker it wears out. If the battery is about a year old with daily use like this, a bit of swelling isn't unexpected.
There is no immediate threat from swelling but it is the start of failure if allowed to continue use. You surely don't want it expanding inside the phone from heat until it gets stuck and/or cause GPS, volume or other contacts to mess up by expanding the frame, etc.
Batteries aren't too expensive so order another one.
Not sure I agree, evidence seems to point to heat as the culprit since the battery wasn't charged that often.
Anyway, OEM batteries are available on eBay for under $12 and one should arrive Monday.
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Not sure I agree, evidence seems to point to heat as the culprit since the battery wasn't charged that often.
Anyway, OEM batteries are available on eBay for under $12 and one should arrive Monday.
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I wonder if those are legit LG made.
Yup, why wouldn't it be? It's a unique battery for an obsolete phone, everyone that has any quantity is dumping them. The one I'm getting is from an "overstock" dealer.
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Yup, why wouldn't it be? It's a unique battery for an obsolete phone, everyone that has any quantity is dumping them. The one I'm getting is from an "overstock" dealer.
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Yeah I was just curious. Will buy few myself that's not a bad deal at all. Yeah I can't blame people, this will be my last LG phone. Great specs and price, but build quality trash.
Sad part I know 3 people with LG V20 who are also having build quality issues. Speaker going on all of them and this is a common issue.
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Yeah I was just curious. Will buy few myself that's not a bad deal at all. Yeah I can't blame people, this will be my last LG phone. Great specs and price, but build quality trash.
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I guess I've been lucky, I've had very few problems. I really miss an unlocked bootloader and a rooted phone with a custom ROM but this seems to do the job other than about 90% of the "wonderful" features being stuff I don't want, don't use and would delete if the phone was rooted..
I really wanted the removable battery and the SD card, I think LG is my only option for both isn't it?
I have no idea what (or IF) my next phone will be, maybe I'll drag out my old Motorola V3 and use it? <G>
Seriously, no kidding, it's been all downhill since my BlackBerry Bold.
I bought two spares batteries, one from Ebay with the external charge case that looks genuine but the battery lasts about 20-25% less than the original battery and a second one from Aliexpress that lasts half the time of the original battery. The one from Ebay ways the same as the original, the one from Aliexpress is lighter.
On both the batteries the green heatshrink is not exactly the same color as the original one.
So I think none of those batteries you can buy from those sites will have the same capacity as a original battery from a official reseller.
The one I got seems to be OEM, I suspect the ones you got were just old, I can't imagine anyone making an aftermarket battery for such a low sales volume phone.
I believe any battery you get will be 3 - 4 years old before you get it, that may be why the one I got took almost 40 hours to reach full charge.
So far it seems it will last as long as the original but who knows?
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You have some abnormal batteries, cables, and/or chargers...
No, all working as they should.
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So my Moto Z 2016 fell into the Android 8.0 Oreo upgrade cluster**** and became a victim of the famous massive battery drainage, to the point it became impossible to use without keeping it plugged to a charger. Thing is one would logically assume this is a software issue, and therefore a rollback/downgrade would be enough to solve this problem. However, after dealing with multiple software upgrades and downgrades for 2-3 days straight with and without RSDLite in every imaginable way possible, I managed to install Android 6.0 Lollipop on the phone and everything works excellently, but the battery keeps having the same issues it had the second that phone got the lovely 8.0 update.
So my questions are: is it even remotely correct to assume the update caused physical damage to the battery? Or -even if I completely reinstalled a totally different Android version- there is still some part of the phone that contains an unmodifiable chunk of software that is corruptedly managing the battery information, therefore making buying a new battery irrelevant?
I'm asking this because I decided to believe in the first question as a yes and was about to proceed to buy a new battery AND a new glue to place the screen again back to where it is, but decided to make this thread to maybe avoid buying things that could've been unnecesary. Thanks in advance.
It's time to get a new battery.
Mine is pretty much okay with Oreo update back then. But after just 1++ year usage (bought it in Sept 2017), the battery life just dropped significantly.
Replaced it, and now it working fine. Even the repair center didn't factory reset my device (I'm on Omni ROM), so it couldn't be a software issue.
I can confirm new battery will solve the problem. I had tried everything before I ordered an original battery pack (made by Lg and my phone has juice for more than a day now. (a half before)
I think fast/turbo charging also kill the battery, so now I use a 1,5/2A charger
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So my Moto Z 2016 fell into the Android 8.0 Oreo upgrade cluster**** and became a victim of the famous massive battery drainage, to the point it became impossible to use without keeping it plugged to a charger. Thing is one would logically assume this is a software issue, and therefore a rollback/downgrade would be enough to solve this problem. However, after dealing with multiple software upgrades and downgrades for 2-3 days straight with and without RSDLite in every imaginable way possible, I managed to install Android 6.0 Lollipop on the phone and everything works excellently, but the battery keeps having the same issues it had the second that phone got the lovely 8.0 update.
So my questions are: is it even remotely correct to assume the update caused physical damage to the battery? Or -even if I completely reinstalled a totally different Android version- there is still some part of the phone that contains an unmodifiable chunk of software that is corruptedly managing the battery information, therefore making buying a new battery irrelevant?
I'm asking this because I decided to believe in the first question as a yes and was about to proceed to buy a new battery AND a new glue to place the screen again back to where it is, but decided to make this thread to maybe avoid buying things that could've been unnecesary. Thanks in advance.
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I can confirm new battery will solve the problem. I had tried everything before I ordered an original battery pack (made by Lg and my phone has juice for more than a day now. (a half before)
I think fast/turbo charging also kill the battery, so now I use a 1,5/2A charger
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Could you please post a link about the battery pack kit that you said? Is there any different to a Motorola's one (capacity, dimensions etc) ? Thank you.
To our dear friend, I suggest you replace the battery. You are not alone to that issue. It's worth buying new battery. Check this thread : https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z/how-to/defective-battery-lots-moto-zhigh-t3781335
this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-M...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
the same GV30 was in the device (2680maH). There are a lot of non oem batteries btw
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Could you please post a link about the battery pack kit that you said? Is there any different to a Motorola's one (capacity, dimensions etc) ? Thank you.
To our dear friend, I suggest you replace the battery. You are not alone to that issue. It's worth buying new battery. Check this thread : https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z/how-to/defective-battery-lots-moto-zhigh-t3781335
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this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/ORIGINAL-M...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
the same GV30 was in the device (2680maH). There are a lot of non oem batteries btw
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Thank you for the quick response. I've noticed that there are many after-market batteries which have larger dimensions than the original. Do you think by just changing the battery to a new one, will solve the problem? I mean it was just effective batteries?
I think the best to replace to the original GV30. It solved the battery problem of my phone right after changing it and I'm not alone with it I guess. I had tried everything before (calibration, doze apps, etc). Nothing works if the cells of the battery are dead. It's a hardware issue
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Thank you for the quick response. I've noticed that there are many after-market batteries which have larger dimensions than the original. Do you think by just changing the battery to a new one, will solve the problem? I mean it was just effective batteries?
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I think the best to replace to the original GV30. It solved the battery problem of my phone right after changing it and I'm not alone with it I guess. I had tried everything before (calibration, doze apps, etc). Nothing works if the cells of the battery are dead. It's a hardware issue
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Yeap! This is the conclusion, bad cells in the battery. I also believe the problem enhanced by the turbo charger, as you said... :/ But, how to prove it... (?)
Prove? I can prove in a year
Just think about it. It's simple physics, faster thermal expansion kills cells. That's why they're said not to let discharged fully. Or whatever
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Yeap! This is the conclusion, bad cells in the battery. I also believe the problem enhanced by the turbo charger, as you said... :/ But, how to prove it... (?)
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Hi there,
did anyone tried https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LOS...-01-XT1650-03-XT1650-05-GV40/32842305696.html battery?
Thanks!
moemos said:
Hi there,
did anyone tried https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LOS...-01-XT1650-03-XT1650-05-GV40/32842305696.html battery?
Thanks!
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Look, many customers have tried these extended batteries but noone can prove that this myth works! On the other hand, many videos and comments have uploaded on the internet and people have shared their experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hRdg75PAMw
I believe that it's impossible to extend a battery capacity while the space inside the phone is very specific.
A project, though, is in progress by a member of XDA who is trying to replace GV30 to GV40 battery: https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-z/help/replace-gv30-gv40-t3896369
You'll want a battery that's SMALLER capacity than the oem. The issue is that lithium ion batteries hate being thinned out so trying to put the 2600maH OEM battery inside this chassis is a recipe for disaster. I believe the iFixit battery is around 2400maH.
I think we'd be fine with shorter life than stock. What many are missing is consistent battery life. It's one thing to get 2hours SOT, it's another to be at 80% and have it shutdown.
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You'll want a battery that's SMALLER capacity than the oem. The issue is that lithium ion batteries hate being thinned out so trying to put the 2600maH OEM battery inside this chassis is a recipe for disaster. I believe the iFixit battery is around 2400maH.
I think we'd be fine with shorter life than stock. What many are missing is consistent battery life. It's one thing to get 2hours SOT, it's another to be at 80% and have it shutdown.
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It's appropriate to give us a link about these batteries.
I did change the motherboard and the battery to a new one gv30 and I get 3-4 SOT. What's your opinion about gv40 inside moto z?
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It's appropriate to give us a link about these batteries.
I did change the motherboard and the battery to a new one gv30 and I get 3-4 SOT. What's your opinion about gv40 inside moto z?
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Don't do it. The screen will bulge out. There is essentially 0 give inside the Moto Z chassis. If you're fine seeing into the phone, then it'll work for you. However, I'd probably opt for the iFixit kit. It's an official Moto solution, and while it might have the same problem it won't introduce a worse problem.
May batteries you find online will say "OEM" but they are often rebrands. And even if they're just 0.1mm thicker, the screen won't adhere. A proper phone replace shop ordered me a replacement battery and it was too thick. This was a year ago, and I eventually just replaced it with a $300 new Moto Z from Amazon (I had broken my screen replacing the battery myself).
I don't know the links persay, but I see there's this one from SWARK https://www.amazon.com/Replacement-Compatible-XT1650-03-XT1650-05-XT1650-01/dp/B07GQWHLH1
I haven't tried that one myself, but I'd be curious to see the thickness.
Just replacing my moto z battery with cheap (fake?) gv30 that i buy for only around $7 in my local (Indonesia) marketplace
Please look the attached picture for its (peak) performance, and this how i got those number:
- charge to 91% with 5v/1.2A charger (ASUS charger)
- watching movie for 3 hours with airplane mode and bluetooth earphone on
- sleeping with airplane mode on
- using my phone normally with wifi on and data off until the battery reach 3%
Thank you all for your answers and sharing your experiences.
Unfortunately, after buying all I needed from the USA (battery pack and 2 B7000 glue blisters shipped to Argentina) I proceeded to attempt to fix the phone. While heating up the screen to remove it, I burned all of the LCD corners and completely ruined the screen. I don't know what did I do so differently from all of the technicians in videotutorials where thay apply the exact same or even more heat on the screen and still left it intact, but there's nothing that can be done about it except buying a new screen replacement, but since we didn't want to spend much money on this phone, we just discarded it. Such a shame and disgraceful event, it still bugs me out.