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Sorry to make a whole new thread about this, but just curious if anyone else has been having this 'issue'
ive flashed quite a few of the roms on the forums, and for some strange reason, i cant seem to find a rom which just WORKS
the main thing i use my handset for is email and SMS messaging, in any given month easily 4000+ SMS' will be sent and the same number received.
this for some reason appears to 'break' a lot of the rom's
the phone slow's riiiight down and when exiting one conversation to go to the next, it hangs every single time, when i go to select the messaging application, it just hangs, or doesnt even go in at all.
i've used the Energy roms, the Chrome roms, Da_G's clean rom, NATF's roms
i've been through pretty much all of the rom's on here and they ALL break once the SMS count gets in the 3000+ region, and i appreciate its simple to just 'delete' the messages, but this isnt particularly practical, at the moment i'm having to hard reset every month or so and this really takes the piss
can anyone point me in the direction of a nice lean rom that can handle an obscene amount of SMS' and emails?
with thanks
I guess no one send and receive 4000+ SMS' per month except you
that's why nobody tried to check with this issue
but the phone should be able to handle it! i mean, one of my older nokia's can handle the 4000+ with ease
The microsoft SMS program just cannot handle that many of messages. Either back them up (remove from inbox) periodically, or delete them periodically.
you may want to disable sms conversation (threading).
just out of curiosity, why do you need 4000+ sms a month ?
one question... where are your messages stored? in phone memory or on the storage card?
Pampilius86 said:
one question... where are your messages stored? in phone memory or on the storage card?
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for the email, the attachments are stored on storage card
otherwise, i never knew we could change where SMS's are stored?!
the 4000+ sms's are just what i use tbh, thats on a good month tho, usually hovers around that mark however
i remember back in the wizard/hermes time clean rom's were all the rage, now, since we've got the devices with huge amounts of ram/rom all we're seeing is bloated rom's!
bursucul said:
you may want to disable sms conversation (threading).
just out of curiosity, why do you need 4000+ sms a month ?
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the thing is, i use the threading facility a LOT, back before wm6/6.1 i actually had an application i would install on my ppc to have the SMS' threaded
but to be honest, why should the tp not be able to handle that many SMS's without slowing down?!
duke_stix said:
Sorry to make a whole new thread about this, but just curious if anyone else has been having this 'issue'
ive flashed quite a few of the roms on the forums, and for some strange reason, i cant seem to find a rom which just WORKS
the main thing i use my handset for is email and SMS messaging, in any given month easily 4000+ SMS' will be sent and the same number received.
this for some reason appears to 'break' a lot of the rom's
the phone slow's riiiight down and when exiting one conversation to go to the next, it hangs every single time, when i go to select the messaging application, it just hangs, or doesnt even go in at all.
i've used the Energy roms, the Chrome roms, Da_G's clean rom, NATF's roms
i've been through pretty much all of the rom's on here and they ALL break once the SMS count gets in the 3000+ region, and i appreciate its simple to just 'delete' the messages, but this isnt particularly practical, at the moment i'm having to hard reset every month or so and this really takes the piss
can anyone point me in the direction of a nice lean rom that can handle an obscene amount of SMS' and emails?
with thanks
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I dont think this would be the ROMs fault. You see the more messages you store in your fone the less memory and stability it has. Instead of having old messages in your fone why not delete them? Talk about practicality, whats practical about having old messages in ur fone just to take up excess memory? So someone texts u one question, u answer it and have no intentions of messaging them back, yet its more practical to keep these messages in ur fone and then complain that u have to hard reset instead of deleting a few messages due to having all these redundant mesages that u really dont need? Seems to me an intelligent person would rather delete a few messages rather than hard resetting their device and lose everything. Maybe u can make a fresh ROM with no extras and nothing more than a fone and an email device. I mean, why have a PDA if all ur gonna do is text and email? Seems to me u can save a few hundred bux and just get a cheap lil fone that has no customization whatsoever to leave all the room for messaging? Sorry if I sound like I have an attitude, honestly I dont, I just think that the chefs u mentioned have awesome ROMs that keep getting better and better yet u diss them cuz ud rather hard resest and lose everything rather than simply deleting a few hundred messages that u dont need anyway.
It's like if you don't clean your house regularly and just throw your rubbish everywhere, then you complain that you're living in a pig sty and your house fills up with rubbish so fast you can't move around the house as quickly as you used to. Then after a month, you need to fully renovate the whole interior of the house again so that you have space to walk...
My suggestions :
1) start learning some housekeeping(make that little effort to delete the sms yourself)
2) get a bigger house (new phone with more ram and faster CPU)
3) get a cleaner to come in to clean your rubbish once in awhile (there might be some sms program out there that can auto delete your sms on a regular basis)
4) or reorganise the layout of your house so that it's more efficient (forget about sms threading and use the conventional format, I'm sure it'll speed things up a bit since it doesn't have to load the entire conversation everytime)
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but the phone should be able to handle it! i mean, one of my older nokia's can handle the 4000+ with ease
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Is your older nokia using sms threading and displaying the whole history of the conversation everytime you enter the inbox?
I highly doubt it.. so you've got your answer there already.
I used to be a project manager, I would send about 500 emails a day at work easily. After a month of working it would take FOREVER to open outlook. Thats because it has to load the entire contents of 10k + emails. Its the same with your phone. Back up and delete or don't complain. Flash a stock ROM and open your windows folder, and then flash a custom ROM and do the same. you will see the speed increase there. Also, if you leave SMS open and just hit end key it wont have to reload everything every time you open a message.
I have the same problem that your talking about since i average about 7-12K a month of sms.. Like everyone said the only way to deal with it is just to clear your inbox or put it to unthreaded.. Our phones just werent meant to hold that much sms i suppose..
duke_stix said:
the main thing i use my handset for is email and SMS messaging, in any given month easily 4000+ SMS' will be sent and the same number received.
this for some reason appears to 'break' a lot of the rom's
the phone slow's riiiight down and when exiting one conversation to go to the next, it hangs every single time, when i go to select the messaging application, it just hangs, or doesnt even go in at all.
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I believe most of the problem here is that you don't precisely understand what's going on behind-the-scenes. Your CPU/processor is only capable of running a single instruction at once- and thus only process a finite amount of data per unit time.
When designing an algorithm (in this case, the algorithm that reads SMS/E-mail database entries and displays them onscreen), tasks which apply to more than one or two items are usually completed by either iteration or recursion. For a task such as enumerating SMS messages onscreen, the process would be iterative; for example, if you were to break it down into simple steps, those steps might be:
1. Read the current SMS message from the database.
2. Display it on screen.
3. If there's another text message after this, repeat this process for it.
Step 1 itself actually is composed of several detailed steps, which take the time to perform a second algorithm, which tries to locate the current SMS message in the database, usually based on a unique identifier and a hashing algorithm. This takes time, but is faster than the alternative- which is to check each SMS and ask "is this the one I want?". Instead of having to check each message, the device usually only has to check a few until it finds the right location.
You can think of this as the device automatically categorizing messages into virtual 'boxes'- you have to spend a hell of a lot less time digging through a box to find 1 document out of 10 then by searching through a much larger heap of 4000 documents.
Step 3 is also composed of several steps, as the device has to figure out which SMS message is really next. As the user is capable of configuring the way in which the messages are sorted (by date, sender, etc.), the message that's next in the database is probably not the next message that's stored in the database. Time has to be spend finding the message, usually by yet another algorithm.
The problem is, each of these steps, and each of their sub-steps, and each of the sub-steps required to run those (all the way down to the machine code level) take time, and each have to be executed for every message the application would like to display.
Thread-view further complicates the matter by creating additional relations between the messages, and requiring the OS to look for even more posts during each step.
And this process isn't all that's going on at once- the operating system is trying to do something called TDM, or Time-Division Multiplexing (Multitasking), which allow you to run more than one program at once on a single CPU (which in turn can only do one thing at once). This basically lets the individual processes take individual turns so quickly that they seem simultaneous.
Because of all this, computer scientists rate their algorithms by degradation. We actually have a measure called Big-O (asymptotic) notation that tells you how well an algorithm handles load.
A good algorithm generally has performance of O(N) or better. This means that for every N elements (in your case, e-mail), it takes approximately N iterations to complete. Note the assumption that each "base iteration" executes in a (roughly) fixed time.
Assuming the WM message app uses a sensible algorithm (and it would be difficult for it not to), we can assume its efficiency is approximately O(N)- as it is simply O(N) for non-threaded, and it is O((N/S) * S) for threaded, which simplifies to O(N). This means that for every 4000 messages, it will need to iterate 4000 times.
Considering the application can't store 4000-messages worth of data, it spends a lot of time during each iteration moving messages in and out of memory.
Given all of this, the Windows Mobile message parsing algorithm is the cause of your 'slowness' and 'hangups'. These periods of non-responsiveness are simply WM trying to run through the algorithm for all of the huge quantities of messages.
Hence, the problem is that Windows Mobile simply wasn't designed to bear the load you were forcing it to bear. This means the problem isn't related to the implementation in any given ROM.
can anyone point me in the direction of a nice lean rom that can handle an obscene amount of SMS' and emails?
with thanks
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A ROM isn't going to be your solution- every ROM uses the same core Windows Mobile messaging applications.
It is possible that a combination of a data structure and message parsing algorithm (with the addition of hash and cache optimized for the way you specifically use messaging) could handle all of these messages without any considerable degradation; but it would run far less efficiently on small amount of messages than the current WM scheme. (And think: how many users have as many messages as you?)
Since no one really needs as many messages as you seem to, consider your options:
1) Implement a database optimized for large amount of messages. Implement a program that hooks all messages and places them in this database instead of the WM one. Write your own message reading/writing application and use in place of the WM one. Note that no one will do this for you. It's not a public interest: if you want it, you'll have to write it. We can help you- but we're not here to do the work for you.
2) Try a third party SMS reader/writer like Vito SMS-Chat. I don't think these will fare much better (in fact, they may fare worse), but if they implement any database of their own and any type of localized caching (especially of recent messages), they may work a bit better.
3) Remove your older SMS messages. This is probably the best option. If you don't need those messages anymore, a Microsoft applet called InboxExtender adds buttons to delete all messages (and to mark them all as read.)
4) Don't use threaded mode. This will decrease the time each parsing iteration takes.
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This isn't a bug; nor is it a glitch, nor is it WM being crappy. It's much the same as if you tell photoshop to open an 8GB file on your desktop. Your computer may slow to a halt and take forever doing it- but the cause isn't that your computer is crappy, but rather that you're trying to open such a huge file.
Wow! Talk about a detailed explanation. Great explanation ktemkin, u obviously know what ur talkin about. Im actually a part time computer programmer. The biggest problem I see/hear about is people sayng their systems are getting way too slow. No surprise that the biggest reason for this is the used space in their computers hard drive for out-of-date programs, used cache space, ...basically all of the things theyve used before and just never cleaned out. I install 1 program, free their computer up of its junked up memory and update their programs. On this I get credit to simply sit on my butt and delete a few things, lol. Id suppose regardless of the device/computer its all the same. IE, the more room u have to work with, the faster the device's responsiveness is.
Best advice for these PDAs and smartphones for emails is dont leave all of your emails in your inbox folder. Make different folders, then as u go through your emails simply move the selected ones to the selected folders. Then DO NOT sync all of your folders to your device. Only sync the inbox to your device. Then if u ever need a message, u will know which folder its in, then sync that 1 folder, download the message(s), then after ur done, remove that folder from your sync list. When u organize your emails this way u will have a much enjoyable and longer life experience with your device. Hope this helps.
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I dont think this would be the ROMs fault. You see the more messages you store in your fone the less memory and stability it has. Instead of having old messages in your fone why not delete them? Talk about practicality, whats practical about having old messages in ur fone just to take up excess memory? So someone texts u one question, u answer it and have no intentions of messaging them back, yet its more practical to keep these messages in ur fone and then complain that u have to hard reset instead of deleting a few messages due to having all these redundant mesages that u really dont need? Seems to me an intelligent person would rather delete a few messages rather than hard resetting their device and lose everything. Maybe u can make a fresh ROM with no extras and nothing more than a fone and an email device. I mean, why have a PDA if all ur gonna do is text and email? Seems to me u can save a few hundred bux and just get a cheap lil fone that has no customization whatsoever to leave all the room for messaging? Sorry if I sound like I have an attitude, honestly I dont, I just think that the chefs u mentioned have awesome ROMs that keep getting better and better yet u diss them cuz ud rather hard resest and lose everything rather than simply deleting a few hundred messages that u dont need anyway.
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The fact of the matter is, that a lot of the messages on my handset DO need to remain on there for at least the remainder of a fortnight following receipt of said message.
the only 'qualm' i was having was that my older wizard and hermes devices seem to have managed that number of SMS' and more perfectly fine, but my Raphael begins to struggle.
lukesky said:
It's like if you don't clean your house regularly and just throw your rubbish everywhere, then you complain that you're living in a pig sty and your house fills up with rubbish so fast you can't move around the house as quickly as you used to. Then after a month, you need to fully renovate the whole interior of the house again so that you have space to walk...
My suggestions :
1) start learning some housekeeping(make that little effort to delete the sms yourself)
2) get a bigger house (new phone with more ram and faster CPU)
3) get a cleaner to come in to clean your rubbish once in awhile (there might be some sms program out there that can auto delete your sms on a regular basis)
4) or reorganise the layout of your house so that it's more efficient (forget about sms threading and use the conventional format, I'm sure it'll speed things up a bit since it doesn't have to load the entire conversation everytime)
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I have already tried disabling the SMS threading and although it speeds it up a little, i then also lose track of what message has come from whom.
i understand that 'doing a bit of house keeping' is what i should be doing, however, i barely have time to do said house keeping, and when i do attempt to delete a large volume of messages in one go the phone hangs on me again!
panthersdzynes said:
Wow! Talk about a detailed explanation. Great explanation ktemkin, u obviously know what ur talkin about. Im actually a part time computer programmer. The biggest problem I see/hear about is people sayng their systems are getting way too slow. No surprise that the biggest reason for this is the used space in their computers hard drive for out-of-date programs, used cache space, ...basically all of the things theyve used before and just never cleaned out. I install 1 program, free their computer up of its junked up memory and update their programs. On this I get credit to simply sit on my butt and delete a few things, lol. Id suppose regardless of the device/computer its all the same. IE, the more room u have to work with, the faster the device's responsiveness is.
Best advice for these PDAs and smartphones for emails is dont leave all of your emails in your inbox folder. Make different folders, then as u go through your emails simply move the selected ones to the selected folders. Then DO NOT sync all of your folders to your device. Only sync the inbox to your device. Then if u ever need a message, u will know which folder its in, then sync that 1 folder, download the message(s), then after ur done, remove that folder from your sync list. When u organize your emails this way u will have a much enjoyable and longer life experience with your device. Hope this helps.
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my emails are already pretty much organised, and i've only got it syncing the last 7 days for me, emails to be honest are fine its moreso the SMS side of things.
I was not complaining nor targetting any particular chef, i was merely voicing my concern that a device as powerful as the raphael seems to baulk at the prospect of a few thousand messages when the older wizard and hermes seem to manage perfectly fine.
i'm not exactly expecting an instantaneous loading of my inbox, i'm not entirely thick, i appreciate that having such a large number of SMS' will inevitably slow the handset down, however, i do not see why the handset should HANG when i try to open the messaging application, or why, when i try to go and open the messaging application it just doesnt register that i've asked it to open the application, just stops and i have to 'tap' it a few times before it opens.
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the main thing i use my handset for is email and SMS messaging, in any given month easily 4000+ SMS' will be sent and the same number received.
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4000+ sms' send AND receive???
so that means:
8000 per month / 30 days in a month = 266,667 per day
266,667 per day / 960 minutes (16 hours * 60) awake a day = 0,278
so say you are 16 hours awake on a day than you send/receive a sms every 15 seconds?? don't you have a real life?
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4000+ sms' send AND receive???
so that means:
8000 per month / 30 days in a month = 266,667 per day
266,667 per day / 960 minutes (16 hours * 60) awake a day = 0,278
so say you are 16 hours awake on a day than you send/receive a sms every 15 seconds?? don't you have a real life?
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not all of the messages that are sent and received are single SMS' long!
majority, if not all will be 3/4+ messages long and the replies can be twice as long
duke_stix said:
The fact of the matter is, that a lot of the messages on my handset DO need to remain on there for at least the remainder of a fortnight following receipt of said message.
the only 'qualm' i was having was that my older wizard and hermes devices seem to have managed that number of SMS' and more perfectly fine, but my Raphael begins to struggle.
I have already tried disabling the SMS threading and although it speeds it up a little, i then also lose track of what message has come from whom.
i understand that 'doing a bit of house keeping' is what i should be doing, however, i barely have time to do said house keeping, and when i do attempt to delete a large volume of messages in one go the phone hangs on me again!
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1 thing's for sure, the wizard and hermes are definitely non-threaded sms. But it's hard to compare apple to apple. Did you have 4000 in your Inbox and Sent folders on your Wizard and Hermes too?
I don't think the phone has hung, it's probably doing the processing for you. Have a little patience and let it sit there for awhile and do it's thing and see if it's really hanged.
duke_stix said:
my emails are already pretty much organised, and i've only got it syncing the last 7 days for me, emails to be honest are fine its moreso the SMS side of things.
I was not complaining nor targetting any particular chef, i was merely voicing my concern that a device as powerful as the raphael seems to baulk at the prospect of a few thousand messages when the older wizard and hermes seem to manage perfectly fine.
i'm not exactly expecting an instantaneous loading of my inbox, i'm not entirely thick, i appreciate that having such a large number of SMS' will inevitably slow the handset down, however, i do not see why the handset should HANG when i try to open the messaging application, or why, when i try to go and open the messaging application it just doesnt register that i've asked it to open the application, just stops and i have to 'tap' it a few times before it opens.
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Maybe you should try Da_G's test ROM.. the feedback is that it's very fast. If that doesn't work for you, it's time to get a new phone.. maybe consider one of the 1GHZ models...
i have 8000 plus messages on my tp n it doesn't slow down
thing is, i don't use threaded sms. can't get used to it cos i've been using wm since wm5 n it doesn't have it. i guess i got used to the older stuff
Ohhh, you brave souls... haha
I was in the o2 shop this lunch having a play with their live unit (well, except it had no SIM or web connectivity. for this type of phone that's pretty limiting!)
some questions i was unable to get help with, i am hoping you have more experience of, before i consider the device further:
1. SMS display. i much prefer the look of iPhone's SMS "dual conversations" - its very clear which side of the chat is which and generally more friendly and usable. can the x10's change to this type of layout? rather than listing each reply above or below each other. found no options in the main settings area from the home screen (not sure if the context-specific settings under messaging is any different...?)
2. mac compatability. is this possible? can it sync properly with itunes? does it use a 3rd party app to do so? could this be "culled", ala blackberry/palm syncing with itunes? does the x10 appear as a mounted usb volume? (in this way, i could use applescript to manage the library - horrible, but it might work). someone with actual experience here with a mac would allay my fears, rather than commenting it might be possible (sorry if that seems abrupt in advance...)
3. other syncing needs. i guess most other aspects for sync'ing are removed/negated with an android handset - are we as users supposed to follow the "cloud computing" google-masterplan? do others sync with desktops and for what purpose?
4. browser/app zooming. the device doesnt have multi-touch (plenty covered on this, and other forums!) but, the iPhone has other methods of navigating around the browser and apps. i.e. double tapping a block of text, which i would consider a single fingered gesture. as the test unit i was playing had no web connectivity i couldnt test it out - can someone comment?
here's hoping for advantageous answers
jingo_man
1. use Handcent SMS , can make it look 100% like iPhone sms
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1. SMS display. i much prefer the look of iPhone's SMS "dual conversations" - its very clear which side of the chat is which and generally more friendly and usable. can the x10's change to this type of layout? rather than listing each reply above or below each other. found no options in the main settings area from the home screen (not sure if the context-specific settings under messaging is any different...?)
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3. other syncing needs. i guess most other aspects for sync'ing are removed/negated with an android handset - are we as users supposed to follow the "cloud computing" google-masterplan? do others sync with desktops and for what purpose?
4. browser/app zooming. the device doesnt have multi-touch (plenty covered on this, and other forums!) but, the iPhone has other methods of navigating around the browser and apps. i.e. double tapping a block of text, which i would consider a single fingered gesture. as the test unit i was playing had no web connectivity i couldnt test it out - can someone comment?....
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1. Well, probably the handcent sms thingy, never tried it tho.
or you could go into contacts and find the contact there. When you go there the sms messages are listed in a simmular way as on the iPhone.
You on the right hand side
and you friend on the left..
3. I have just used the Cloud sync method to be honest, haven't really bothered to do it in any other way. But there is probably a way to do it.
4. The zooming is no problem to be honest, the double-tap to zoom thing works good enough. So I have to say that I kinda like it Even tho the multi-touch zoom was handy every now and then..
1. handcent works fine on this phone, and has customisable colours and themes.
2. can't comment on mac, but it is APPARENTLY possible to sync with itunes for the PC through iTunes Agent. I know this won't help you but it might help someone else reading this later.
3. cloud seems to be the way forward, and it works great on the x10. when you first plug it in to the usb though you get the option to install some sony ericsson syncing software, which is the same as i used for my c902 to transfer all my contacts to gmail for this phone. it is pretty simple to use.
4. the default zoom on the android is nice to use. browsers like dolphin (available from the market) come with their own zoom, but i disabled this cos the x10 seems to handle it nicely natively.
hope that helps
1. handsent sms. hmmmm... that does look more along the lines that i was thinking for layout/design. but i'm guessing this wont play nice with the timescape app, which seems pretty central.
i thought i went into the individual contact at one point, and it had the same appearance as when displayed under the general. i may make a return visit to the store to check that out...
i dont think i would mind using separately bought apps, but 1 of the biggest selling points seems to be the timescape so not sure i'd want to miss out on using it. though might change once i have used it for a while...
2. here's hoping eventually a mac user stumbles across this thread and is in a giving mood about their experience.
3. cloud syncing. suppose i can get onboard. not a massive issue not to rely on desktop software. i guess this means no-one really sync's it with a desktop then?]
4. glad of the double-tap zoom, atleast thats something. and its generally how i start to zoom on iPhone (in the browser) but how does this work in other apps? i.e. google maps cant double tap, as there's no "frame border" to sync the tap too...
this could a deal breaker for me, for this product. not a massive app user, but love web browsing on these devices when out-and-about. fine control offered by pinch/zoom far more refined and easier to use than the clunky zoom button, which just didnt seem to refresh fast enough to make it smooth...
maybe wont get onboard with all these bits until i consistently use the device, but not paying best part of £500 to find out!
please continue with more insights if you got 'em
2. mac compatability. is this possible? can it sync properly with itunes? does it use a 3rd party app to do so? could this be "culled", ala blackberry/palm syncing with itunes? does the x10 appear as a mounted usb volume? (in this way, i could use applescript to manage the library - horrible, but it might work). someone with actual experience here with a mac would allay my fears, rather than commenting it might be possible (sorry if that seems abrupt in advance...)
hi, Mac user here. Yes it mounts like a USB-HDD, and turns off in the phone. So you can transfere files, and then just unmount it. Transfered 7 GB of musik files, no problem.
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1. handsent sms. hmmmm... that does look more along the lines that i was thinking for layout/design. but i'm guessing this wont play nice with the timescape app, which seems pretty central.
i thought i went into the individual contact at one point, and it had the same appearance as when displayed under the general. i may make a return visit to the store to check that out...
i dont think i would mind using separately bought apps, but 1 of the biggest selling points seems to be the timescape so not sure i'd want to miss out on using it. though might change once i have used it for a while...
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even with that installed, the other messaging app still runs. handsent simply becomes the default. this means that when you load up timescape, it pulls in the messages from the standard messages app and works like a charm.
its a shame we cant just use the screen under the contact to send a message, that looks pretty good. click onto a contact, and scoll along at the bottom, past call log, onto messaging. that is a sweet screen.
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2. mac compatability. is this possible? can it sync properly with itunes? does it use a 3rd party app to do so? could this be "culled", ala blackberry/palm syncing with itunes? does the x10 appear as a mounted usb volume? (in this way, i could use applescript to manage the library - horrible, but it might work). someone with actual experience here with a mac would allay my fears, rather than commenting it might be possible (sorry if that seems abrupt in advance...)
3. other syncing needs. i guess most other aspects for sync'ing are removed/negated with an android handset - are we as users supposed to follow the "cloud computing" google-masterplan? do others sync with desktops and for what purpose?
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Use Salling Media Sync for iTunes sync http://www.salling.com/MediaSync/Mac/
Adress book and iCal has support for google sync, just enable it in the prefs and then everything syncs from google.
Just enter your gmail details.
the web browser on this thing is amazing really. renedering is smooth and pages launch instantly. i am very impressed with the web browser and with the added extra of using dolphin you be on to a winner. web browser on this is better than my N1
you mean like this...?
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Ohhh, you brave souls... haha
I was in the o2 shop this lunch having a play with their live unit (well, except it had no SIM or web connectivity. for this type of phone that's pretty limiting!)
some questions i was unable to get help with, i am hoping you have more experience of, before i consider the device further:
1. SMS display. i much prefer the look of iPhone's SMS "dual conversations" - its very clear which side of the chat is which and generally more friendly and usable. can the x10's change to this type of layout? rather than listing each reply above or below each other. found no options in the main settings area from the home screen (not sure if the context-specific settings under messaging is any different...?)
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here's hoping for advantageous answers
jingo_man
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I dont know about all the other questions, but did you mean something this? (Oh, crap! Where is my image? Ok, no image, dont know how to get one into this post)
I mean from it you see exactly who is on which side of the conversation
I have been using SuperNote to write notes for my classes, and I have some problems with it...
Anyone know if there is anything I/we can do to get Asus to fix some bugs?
I would love to be able to get a bug report to them so that they can maybe provide us with some updates in regards to this.
Problems (I'll add more as I remember):
- Export Notes does not export the photos or annotations
- Page 63 is exported as page 64
- When typing on the very last line, the view keeps going up and down
- There are no special characters
- it does not support basic keyboard shortcuts like Ctrl+C Ctrl+V Ctrl+A (Esenthel)
Might help if you told us what you think is wrong with it.
you could get a logcat while you're doing those things that screw up and send it to asus?
A logcat huh... never thought of that...
Although the thing is, I don't think sending an e-mail to support at asus dot com will do any good...
I was kinda hoping that there might be a better way than doing that...
I like the app, but these little bugs are a little bit silly... I'm not a developer, but I don't think it's too hard to fix these... right...?
For me what's most annoying is that it does not support basic keyboard shortcuts like Ctrl+C Ctrl+V Ctrl+A, I do have the keyboard dock, so I'd like to use it for full advantage
Ah yeah... that is annoying... lemme edit the top list and add that on.
for me, honestly, super note was disappointing. i was expecting it to be so much better.
some fixes id suggest if any rep is here, or if we wanna compile:
1. the limit on a page is annoying. youll be writing something and then it wont let you go down anymore. i know its replica of a4 paper, however, i think itd be better if itd continue downwards, like in Microsoft word.
2. the pixelation that occurs when you create an annotation and resize it.
so annoying!
3. already discussed, but the fact that a stylus doesnt work makes things hard
this sort of interrelates with point 2 above, because...
i for example will want to draw a graph. now to precisely label it, i cant do it with my finger, nor a stylus. so i have to draw it HUGE using annotation, then resize it to make it smaller. then it pixelates!
4. no autocorrect or the ability to correct. it just comes up with red lines.
5. - no change in font.
6. the ability to interchange the page type would be nice, for example: lined paper to graph paper.
7. when doing math, usually, i'd draw a line down the middle of my page to divide the page in half and thus have more working space. i wish this functionality was possible in supernote. i.e. divide the page and have your own custom sections in which you can write.
8. the lack of colours. theres only like 4! - black, blue, red, green!
9. the inability to record and type at the same time. - that includes voice recorder, and video recorder.
i have to open up the sound recorder app and use that, - this way i cant actually insert the sound clip into my notes.
10. following on from the point above, the inability to insert things! cant insert sound files, movie files!
thats all i can think of atm.
Gabroo said:
for me, honestly, super note was disappointing. i was expecting it to be so much better.
some fixes id suggest if any rep is here, or if we wanna compile:
1. the limit on a page is annoying. youll be writing something and then it wont let you go down anymore. i know its replica of a4 paper, however, i think itd be better if itd continue downwards, like in Microsoft word.
2. the pixelation that occurs when you create an annotation and resize it.
so annoying!
3. already discussed, but the fact that a stylus doesnt work makes things hard
this sort of interrelates with point 2 above, because...
i for example will want to draw a graph. now to precisely label it, i cant do it with my finger, nor a stylus. so i have to draw it HUGE using annotation, then resize it to make it smaller. then it pixelates!
4. no autocorrect or the ability to correct. it just comes up with red lines.
5. - no change in font.
6. the ability to interchange the page type would be nice, for example: lined paper to graph paper.
7. when doing math, usually, i'd draw a line down the middle of my page to divide the page in half and thus have more working space. i wish this functionality was possible in supernote. i.e. divide the page and have your own custom sections in which you can write.
8. the lack of colours. theres only like 4! - black, blue, red, green!
9. the inability to record and type at the same time. - that includes voice recorder, and video recorder.
i have to open up the sound recorder app and use that, - this way i cant actually insert the sound clip into my notes.
10. following on from the point above, the inability to insert things! cant insert sound files, movie files!
thats all i can think of atm.
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All of this! Lol
And I hate that even when you readjust the page after filling it up, when you start typing the freaking thing jumps up and puts all your words at the bottom, even intermittently throwing them off the screen.
I would definitely like to either see them put more work into this app so it truly is super, or I'd like to see someone pick it apart and create a new one that works right.
I moved this thread to the "Themes and Apps" forum because, well it just fits better here
FreeNote is much better then Supernote.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5zdWlzaG91eGllLmZyZWVub3RlIl0.
- U can write xx pages.
- u can export notes to many apps for ex evernote.
- u can save file as pdf or photo.
- handwriting, keyboard writting, Keyboard+hand writting, touch keyboard with many options,
- u can draw all u want - not only letters and u dont to create separate sheets. U can do all these things on one page!
- and a lot of more!
I loved the app when i saw it, and after trying to use it once i disabled it.
I mainly use tablets to write histories apart from the obvious email and websurfing.
It force closed on me on a very long test note i was writing and all was lost, tried again this time copying and pasting a long piece of text and bam force close again.
To be honest i deeply regret buying the TF700
i have tried everything so far to replace a real laptop and it has proven a big waste of money...
I guess my last resot would be to try the iPad but i can't do that to myself i am afraid i might like it
mibo666 said:
FreeNote is much better then Supernote.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5zdWlzaG91eGllLmZyZWVub3RlIl0.
- U can write xx pages.
- u can export notes to many apps for ex evernote.
- u can save file as pdf or photo.
- handwriting, keyboard writting, Keyboard+hand writting, touch keyboard with many options,
- u can draw all u want - not only letters and u dont to create separate sheets. U can do all these things on one page!
- and a lot of more!
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Evernote.. End of..
Ever note needs to be connected... try using it in the tibet while climbing the everest....
Nazeroth said:
Ever note needs to be connected... try using it in the tibet while climbing the everest....
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It's worth the premium account then then offline works like a charm.
If i wanted to pay for simple tasks I would have got an iPad, wait no they come with a decent note application... (I tested my wife's)
here is a good note taking I found not as much fuzzy stuff as super notes but doesnt force closes every time a bird flys by
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...mx5ZGVsdXNpb25zLmFwcC5leHRlbnNpdmVfbm90ZXMiXQ..
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Ever note needs to be connected... try using it in the tibet while climbing the everest....
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No it doesn't... Evernote works fine off line. It just waits to sync until you're connected, unless something has changed since the last time I used it.
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When I tried with the SKY Wifi Smartpen It kept crashing when no connection was available and I could not see any notes taken unless I was online.
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When I tried with the SKY Wifi Smartpen It kept crashing when no connection was available and I could not see any notes taken unless I was online.
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I think that has more to do with the pen than Evernote. It sounds like the pen needs wifi. Is there an option to use bluetooth instead of wifi?
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No, not the pen, I transfered notes from the pen to evernotes, then tried to access the notes from evernotes and could not unless online
Yes, exactly. The pen uploads the notes to the Evernote cloud, so how would you be able to access them without the internet? Unless I'm misunderstanding you, this would be the problem regardless of what note app or service you use, unless the pen can somehow transfer the notes directly to the Prime. There is no service in the world that can access a cloud-based server without access to the internet.
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HI
Just trying to play around with my new toy to get some things the way I have been used to on my android phone and would appreciate some help.
Firstly can I set what is displayed on the Calendar tile is a how many days ahead it adds entries from and/or how many entries?
In the linked inbox any way to easily see which email account an email is from? Such as with a coloured tab next to it or something?
Thanks
I think u cannot change the default behavious of the Calendar app, was searching 4 it myself, but soon I gave up. The answer for the linked inbox is pretty much the same
There is a theme here - you cannot change the notification sounds separate from the ringtone sounds; cannot define a separate tone for (say) whatsapp different from messages
When you view an e-mail from the linked inbox, it tells you which box, Yahoo, Google etc, the e-mail is from.
No need for 'tags'...
true but you have to open the email to do that. A quick visual representation would have been nice but I admit not vital.
Found something called Calendar(+) which adds a tile for "week view" and a month view with actual entries on it so that sort of gets around the calendar thingy too although sadly no live tile option I can see.
That being said phone is crashing a few times already so getting it replaced and hope it is just that particular handset is the culprit
^ crashing after portico update?
surprisingly mine is working fine since day 1 - touchwood!
only problem was battery life but its improving significantly after each charge cycle.
only problem is a minor light leak on left side near back button ..but i had it on other phones also and wondering if i should get it fixed or phone changed
Yes it happened even after the update.
Battery life pretty rubbish so far but I have read it gets better.
Being exchanged for another handset tomorrow.
Otherwise I do like it!
Interestingly after I posted that it never crashed again - but had it swapped anyway and the new one has been stable for the week to date.
I am enjoying the experience so far but lots of things to learn!
I have been using XDA since I had my HTC Fuze on Energyrom, and I really love the support XDA has offered over the years. I want to get the HTC One on T-Mo. I have been considering this phone, because I am tired of having the iPhone and wanted to go back to Android. :cyclops: My GS3 was not able to send and receive MMS like my iPhone. The quality was terrible. Photos were blurry, video couldn't even be attached (unless filmed in a terrible MMS mode, that makes the video unwatchable). At first I thought iMessage was masking the issue, but the file sizes are all within the carrier limit. I found the issue to be the handset over-compressing the image. In the store I played with the AT&T and the Sprint versions of the HTC One, and they both sent photos from the back camera that were nowhere near the 1MB limit from the carrier. I called HTC, and they had no idea that the phone has this behavior. They even asked why I need the feature to work properly, instead of using Facebook or some other photo sharing software! (I am separating the reason for those with the same question)
My wife works on the 12 floor of her building and on AT&T gets edge. On Verizon 1x, I doubt it will be different on TMobile. She is staying with her iPhone, and throughout the day I take pictures or videos of our son and send them to her. The iPhone only compresses the cumulative attachments enough to fit in a single message, and sends. The effect is that she doesn't have to press "Download" and then have her phone stuck downloading. The message pushes through to her and alerts her when it is ready. The iPhone's video quality is not perfect, but is not noticeably pixelated. The iPhone's photo quality is very good for being sent by MMS.
I am asking for help. Does anyone know of a setting that can be changed to increase the attachment capabilities of MMS on the HTC One? This problem does not exist on the Nexus 4, so if I can't figure it out before then I will have to get that phone. I have used Handscent before (on my GS3), but it didn't seem to work. I am wondering if someone with the phone knows a way to send better quality (500-900kb) photos or videos. If the suggestion is a replacement app, please advise if any customizations are forfeited (Example: on my GS3 you lost the ability to call the contact you were messaging by lifting the phone to your ear, if you replaced the samsung messaging with AOSP MMS.apk or another replacement app). My only other question is if the T-Mo HTC One supports emoji?
Thanks for any help you can provide.
Why not upload the pic to Dropbox and send her the link.
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My husband and I use Google talk to send files back and forth all day. He's able to pick them up on his One or his computer.
SmiLey497 said:
Why not upload the pic to Dropbox and send her the link.
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Her reception is terrible and dropbox won't sync for her. When she opens dropbox at work it tries to pull everything at once and her phone just sits there. I am not sure if having the 5 & LTE will help with that. If it does, great. Traditionally, she doesn't even get 3G at work. Personally, I love using Dropbox and YouTube. I use both daily. For sending quick videos and pics, though... MMS is easier and works with limited coverage (admittedly in part due to the compression, however I'm not trying to get around the carrier limit... just to it).
stephiroth said:
My husband and I use Google talk to send files back and forth all day. He's able to pick them up on his One or his computer.
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When you use Google talk, does the message "push", or does it require the receiver to hit download and wait?
There'a always gmail, as long as the file size exceeds 1000kb its going to get compressed, that's the file size limit t-mobile set.
anthonyalessi74 said:
When you use Google talk, does the message "push", or does it require the receiver to hit download and wait?
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I double checked with him. Apparently I misspoke. He only gets the files when he's on Google talk at his PC and they're pushed to his desktop client. When he's on his One and signed out from his computer, the "missed chats" with images or files show up as emails in his inbox on his phone or PC. Regular text is pushed instantly over office WiFi to his One (which is why we use it.) I always send from my computer, so apparetly it's desktop to desktop that's working best. Sorry.
Something that will hopefully solve all this in the near future is Google's rumored Babel client that does desktop, Android, and iOS. Story Here on Droid Life
Side note: Handcent lets me choose to preload MMS messages before popping up the notification. I don't know if that feature is available on the iOS version, but it might be worth looking at.
fmedrano1977 said:
There'a always gmail, as long as the file size exceeds 1000kb its going to get compressed, that's the file size limit t-mobile set.
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I'm ok with the carrier limit. This phone compresses beyond that from what I have seen.
fmedrano1977 said:
There'a always gmail, as long as the file size exceeds 1000kb its going to get compressed, that's the file size limit t-mobile set.
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stephiroth said:
I double checked with him. Apparently I misspoke. He only gets the files when he's on Google talk at his PC and they're pushed to his desktop client. When he's on his One and signed out from his computer, the "missed chats" with images or files show up as emails in his inbox on his phone or PC. Regular text is pushed instantly over office WiFi to his One (which is why we use it.) I always send from my computer, so apparetly it's desktop to desktop that's working best. Sorry.
Something that will hopefully solve all this in the near future is Google's rumored Babel client that does desktop, Android, and iOS. Story Here on Droid Life
Side note: Handcent lets me choose to preload MMS messages before popping up the notification. I don't know if that feature is available on the iOS version, but it might be worth looking at.
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Thanks for looking into this! I think we will have to use FB messenger (like HTC suggested) & forgo sharing videos until HTC (more likely XDA) finds a fix. Yes, as you can imagine I am pretty excited about babel. I really want to see if Google does buy Whatsapp as is rumored. If that was baked into every android device & available for all competing devices it would be what imessage should have been.
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Her reception is terrible and dropbox won't sync for her. When she opens dropbox at work it tries to pull everything at once and her phone just sits there. I am not sure if having the 5 & LTE will help with that. If it does, great. Traditionally, she doesn't even get 3G at work. Personally, I love using Dropbox and YouTube. I use both daily. For sending quick videos and pics, though... MMS is easier and works with limited coverage (admittedly in part due to the compression, however I'm not trying to get around the carrier limit... just to it).
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Here you say shes having issues syncing the dropbox *app*. The suggestion was actually to upload a file to your dropbox from a phone and share only the *link* to that one file. She doesnt have to sign into anything to open the link. It's just like any other web page link with a photo. We use dropbox all the time here on XDA to host apks and screenshots.
Another option via FB is to upload the content using messenger or as a status, but make it visible only to her. She would check it like a FB post, but only you two could see it. The down side is it would still have to load and wouldn't be much different from a private Youtube channel.
Also, in regards to your original question Verizon says 350KB is the max size that 1X devices can send and receive and that the file is reduced to that limit prior to delivery. The One is probably sending the larger file sizes, but if you sent them to yourself as part of your in-store test, Verizon's doing the compression before it's delivered to you. Source
T-Mobile also says: "T-Mobile's MMSC allow up to 1 MB files. There may be additional restrictions at the handset level." So they never guarantee that you will get 1MB. It's kind of like the download speeds that internet companies offer to us. source
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stephiroth said:
Here you say shes having issues syncing the dropbox *app*. The suggestion was actually to upload a file to your dropbox from a phone and share only the *link* to that one file. She doesnt have to sign into anything to open the link. It's just like any other web page link with a photo. We use dropbox all the time here on XDA to host apks and screenshots.
Another option via FB is to upload the content using messenger or as a status, but make it visible only to her. She would check it like a FB post, but only you two could see it. The down side is it would still have to load and wouldn't be much different from a private Youtube channel.
Also, in regards to your original question Verizon says 350KB is the max size that 1X devices can send and receive and that the file is reduced to that limit prior to delivery. The One is probably sending the larger file sizes, but if you sent them to yourself as part of your in-store test, Verizon's doing the compression before it's delivered to you. Source
T-Mobile also says: "T-Mobile's MMSC allow up to 1 MB files. There may be additional restrictions at the handset level." So they never guarantee that you will get 1MB. It's kind of like the download speeds that internet companies offer to us. source
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The problem with where she works is reception, so the dropbox link (when opened on iPhone) requires a download. My wife has no problem using dropbox and youtube. She uploads more videos than me. The problem is that intiating a download on the iPhone requires the app be left open and the screen on, which kills her battery and could get her in trouble at work. With messaging, the photo loads to the feed the same way as an IM conversation and doesn't require a download. She can quickly peek and go back to work. I really think our best answer will be the Facebook Messenger until a fix is found, since it behaves similarly to the message app on iOS.
The MMS file size was a full 4MP photo that I attached (confirmed prior to attaching, and taken in the store using the rear facing camera). The MMS app showed(during my in store testing) 79/1000kb. That is 79KB for one photo, and no text. I then sent the photo mms to my iPhone (from the HTC One), and received a 79kb photo. The display phone I was testing on had full 4G coverage and wi-fi.
HTC advised the carriers did not change the compression for MMS attachments, they only named their maximum file attachment size.
My iPhone on Verizon receives full 1.2 MB photos when sent individually. Videos work the same only the longer the video the worse the quality, and at some point iOS requires that I trim the video's length because compression alone will not suffice. When sent with more than one attachment the group of files will compress until they all fit within 1.2MB.
I have decided to get the HTC One and use Facebook. I think babel will solve this whole thing anyways. Thanks for all of your help and ideas!
Hangouts (Babel) was released yesterday for android and iOS. So far it looks just like gtalk, but allows photos to be sent. For now, you need to have a google account and be signed in to use it, but SMS integration is promised soon.
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It's a simple setting!
anthonyalessi74 said:
I have been using XDA since I had my HTC Fuze on Energyrom, and I really love the support XDA has offered over the years. I want to get the HTC One on T-Mo. I have been considering this phone, because I am tired of having the iPhone and wanted to go back to Android. :cyclops: My GS3 was not able to send and receive MMS like my iPhone. The quality was terrible. Photos were blurry, video couldn't even be attached (unless filmed in a terrible MMS mode, that makes the video unwatchable). At first I thought iMessage was masking the issue, but the file sizes are all within the carrier limit. I found the issue to be the handset over-compressing the image. In the store I played with the AT&T and the Sprint versions of the HTC One, and they both sent photos from the back camera that were nowhere near the 1MB limit from the carrier. I called HTC, and they had no idea that the phone has this behavior. They even asked why I need the feature to work properly, instead of using Facebook or some other photo sharing software! (I am separating the reason for those with the same question)
My wife works on the 12 floor of her building and on AT&T gets edge. On Verizon 1x, I doubt it will be different on TMobile. She is staying with her iPhone, and throughout the day I take pictures or videos of our son and send them to her. The iPhone only compresses the cumulative attachments enough to fit in a single message, and sends. The effect is that she doesn't have to press "Download" and then have her phone stuck downloading. The message pushes through to her and alerts her when it is ready. The iPhone's video quality is not perfect, but is not noticeably pixelated. The iPhone's photo quality is very good for being sent by MMS.
I am asking for help. Does anyone know of a setting that can be changed to increase the attachment capabilities of MMS on the HTC One? This problem does not exist on the Nexus 4, so if I can't figure it out before then I will have to get that phone. I have used Handscent before (on my GS3), but it didn't seem to work. I am wondering if someone with the phone knows a way to send better quality (500-900kb) photos or videos. If the suggestion is a replacement app, please advise if any customizations are forfeited (Example: on my GS3 you lost the ability to call the contact you were messaging by lifting the phone to your ear, if you replaced the samsung messaging with AOSP MMS.apk or another replacement app). My only other question is if the T-Mo HTC One supports emoji?
Thanks for any help you can provide.
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1. Open/activate Camera on your HTC One.
2. Select the three-dot file menu and scroll down to select Video Quality.
3. At the pull down of Video Quality, scroll down and select MMS(176x144)
4. Take your video and send it via MMS.
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