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I recently bought a TyTNfor almost $900 including a 2 GB expansion card. Despite dozens of hours of trying to get it to work correctly, I find th TyTN almost intolerably buggy.
Specifically:
1) the phone loses connections frequently -- much worse than the Cingular 8125 or my old Treo 650.
2) numerous application programs either crash the device or do not run properly -- specifically, the Audible.com player, the the automated download feature or of Audible Air, most of the SPB utility applications, SBSH Weather (VGA Icons), SBSH Ilauncher and others.
3) the battery life absolutely sucks. I get less than eight hours of operation -- with very few telephone calls. I do have Microsoft push e-mail turned on. However, this ought to work -- for God's sake, or what's the point?
4) the screen/stylus requires re-alignment at least twice a daily..
Is there anyone out there who can help me and walk me through the installation of a new ROM, or some kind of update that makes this device work in a tolerable manner?
I would be very happy to pay you for your consulting time. Otherwise, I want to try to get HTC to take this buggy phone back for a full refund and I will go back to using my old Treo 650.
Many thanks for your attention and future help.
ROM version 1.18.255.3
ROM date 07/22/06
Radio Version 1.03.03.10
Once I hear that you have alignment problems, then, from what I hear you have bad luck since you have one of the firt TyTns out there. I heard that HTC replaces these units. It hapens to be a common problem on the early devices.
I have my MDA Vario II (a variation of a Hermes) and till now 4 days long extremely happy with everything.
natgoldhaber said:
I recently bought a TyTNfor almost $900 including a 2 GB expansion card. Despite dozens of hours of trying to get it to work correctly, I find th TyTN almost intolerably buggy.
Specifically:
1) the phone loses connections frequently -- much worse than the Cingular 8125 or my old Treo 650.
2) numerous application programs either crash the device or do not run properly -- specifically, the Audible.com player, the the automated download feature or of Audible Air, most of the SPB utility applications, SBSH Weather (VGA Icons), SBSH Ilauncher and others.
3) the battery life absolutely sucks. I get less than eight hours of operation -- with very few telephone calls. I do have Microsoft push e-mail turned on. However, this ought to work -- for God's sake, or what's the point?
4) the screen/stylus requires re-alignment at least twice a daily..
Is there anyone out there who can help me and walk me through the installation of a new ROM, or some kind of update that makes this device work in a tolerable manner?
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Well, I am sorry you are having these problems. I don't think most of them are a Tytn problems in general.
1) First I have heard of this. I have had the Tytn for a month now and don't have that problem. I move in and out of a 3g area and whether on GSM or UMTS, call quality has been great (better than my Wizzard in fact). Maybe your problem is a SIM issue since this phone is not supported by your carrier where you others might be? I went and got a new SIM when I got mine so I don't know if that could be an issue or not.
2) I don't use many apps. I do use SBSH Weather v1.3.3 (regular icons) and it works well. No issues at all, updates just fine etc. I thought the VGA icons were for devices with a VGA screen (Universal for example). To the best of my knowledge the Wizzard, Tytn etc are not VGA devices so I don't think it helps to use the VGA icons, and who knows, maybe it could cause an issue on a non-VGA device. I have heard that SPB has issues. Slingplayer also works well for me, streaming video runs great.
3) I get ~3-4 days out of the battery if just used for calls, weather updates, and light browsing. Heavy UMTS browsing or streaming cuts that down significantly to 24-36 hours. I don't use push mail so don't know there, but there might be a config setting that is causing your device to get polled too frequently. I do know that one time I went into the phone menu and Band page to set Band to UMTS only. I forgot I did that, left a UMTS area and the phone went into constant network search mode instead of switching to GSM. That drained my battery in something less than 8 hrs.
4) I also don't have this problem. There are many reports of this problem though and the only fix I am aware of is a replacement.
Bottom line is I suspect you have a bad phone (reception and alignment issues) as well as setup issues or program conflicts causing your apps problems.
try to upgrade to the lastest rom!
natgoldhaber said:
I would be very happy to pay you for your consulting time. Otherwise, I want to try to get HTC to take this buggy phone back for a full refund and I will go back to using my old Treo 650.
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I would love to take your money, but I think you should take it back and get something else. Maybe even a Treo. The reason I say this is because the TyTn is just not ready for Prime Time unless you are a power user or someone who doesn't feel the need to complain because it doesn't work properly. Power user go around these issues and figure out the problems.
This is no way an insult to you, it's just that if you can't deal with the problems, and you need to rely on a phone/pda, and email is very important to you maybe even go as low as to get a blackberry. In the meantime I personally would keep the TyTn and explore it and fully understand how it works. When you are ready to dive in and start using it as a "power user" then you will no longer need to worry about it's faults.
This is coming from 2 years of experience with the O2 Xda IIs. Which was the buggiest pocketpc phone that ever came out and today is one of the top, mainly due to the fact that once the ROM is hacked the development efforts go up considerably and you see increased productivity and usability.
But if you need the money, just get a refund.
Sorry about my blunt response, but I had a friend who I converted from a palm to a Blue Angel. He didn't like it so I got him into a wizard. He curse at it for a while, then he started loving it after a few weeks of using it. Now he would never go back to a Palm or a Treo or anything else. I got my TyTn only last week and have cursed it to hell and back several thousand times. But this is just the way it goes when you're one of the early adopters. Especially when the phone is not commercially available to the US and Canada.
Time heals all.
Fully agree with you axiom, the most sincere response you could have given him.
I also come from the BlueAngel and was one of the early adopters, now running helmi's 1.32 rom, that's why I truely understand what you mean
Thanks pof for backing me up. I am also still using my BlueAngel with with the 1.32 rom but primarily in my car for navigation. This way I don't have to spend another few hundred dollars on a Nav system. And it really bothers me when tomtom loads faster on my BlueAngel then it does on my TyTn, but then I am hopeful that the TyTn will prevail when the time is write and all our heads are in the right place.
As always, everyone is welcome to post their problems, concerns, and findings and I am always pushing people to hang in there because "I know" there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Thanks for all the thoughtful replys - but....
Perhaps this is a device that is a little too early for me. But I will not return it. I love the speed of the Cingular 3G network. And I am blown away by how well Exchange/Outlook push works. I would never go back to a Treo or to a Blackberry.
I was rather hoping someone may have an idea about an improved ROM. I did have a direct conversation with HTCEurope's tech support office. They said they were well aware of the problems with applications, especially with the Audible player. They wistfully referred to the folks in Taiwan creating a new ROM - any month now.
I hoped that one of you might feel that a beta Cingular or other ROM might fix some or all of my problems. And I hope that someone could talk me through the installation. I hope that is true.
Many thanks.
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I hoped that one of you might feel that a beta Cingular or other ROM might fix some or all of my problems. And I hope that someone could talk me through the installation. I hope that is true.
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Oh please don't install the cingular beta ROM. Infact, as much I enjoyed using it for testing purposes, the last thing you want to do is start pushing ROMs. I am also waiting for a newer ROM, I was one of the first along with pof and others who installed the cingular roms and found some harsh truths, and some benefits. However, I went back to the dopod rom, with a radio update from the cingular rom. And this was a journey in possibly bricking my unit because going back from the cingular to one of the other roms is a chance and you need your original rom to go back.
If you must pursue upgrading your ROM, please keep a few things in mind:
1) And very important: If you don't know what you're doing, you could brick your unit.
2) A rom upgrade is only as good as the comments it has received from the users on this forum.
3) Most users who use the newest roms are, in most cases, advanced and understand that there will be problems.
4) Once you have started to upgrade your rom, you will be doing it all the time and be ready to reinstall your apps and settings.
If this is all ok to you and you have a back up phone, that you can use while you play with your TyTn, then go ahead and try the Dopod, Imate or TyTn rom. Look through the wiki and you will find all the information you need.
READ EVERYTHING FIRST, THEN START YOUR JOURNEY. The worst thing is having someone tell you "Do a search", or "RTFM", or "Read the wiki". People will respect you more and will be willing to help you more if your questions legit and the wiki can't help you out.
To start you off, I would suggest the Dopod ROM, with radio 1.16. This should take you about 1 hour to update. Then if you're not satisfied with this, then go to the TyTn or the IMate.
I hope this helps, and I have never seen anyone ask for money on here to help our fellow users and if they have, then shame on them. We are all here to learn and teach, this is what makes us a community of excellence.
I hope this helps you and many others on this board. Until the next rom, or hopefully the successful hack of the TyTn rom... Long live xda-developers!
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axiom: I took part of your last comment and updated the upgrading FAQs with it
As far as the screen alignment issue goes i am shortly sending my TyTN to HTC (in the UK) to get fixed under warranty (ie free)....the guy on the helpline was REALLY helpfull in sorting it out...they estimate a 5 day turnaround for it which is just SWEEEEET......shall be back to my P900 for a few days URGH!
So afaik the screen alignment can be sorted with an under warranty repair
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axiom: I took part of your last comment and updated the upgrading FAQs with it
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Thanks pof, I am very honored to me contributing to the wiki. Hehe.
There is one spelling mistake, can you change:
help you more if your questions legit and the wiki can't help you out.
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help you more if your questions are legit and the wiki can't help you out.
Thanks.
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There is one spelling mistake, can you change:
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I changed it, but remember that you can edit the wiki too... it's very easy, and if you need help, just ask
Dear Prof, Asukal and especially Axiom:
I want to thank you for your responses. I took the plunge last night and upgraded the phone radio ROM to the Cingular 1.16 version using the instructions and files from Asukal.
There were moments of sheer terror. The ROM upload to the phone took hours. In fact, I went to sleep and let it continue through the night. But when I woke up, there was the predicted error message on the TyTN. Just as instructed, after a reset, everything worked perfectly. I will write this up more thoroughly in a day or two after I have a chance to really test the radio.
But thanks for giving me the courage to try the upgrade. I am also including a snippet from a message I received from HTC Support about the next ROM:
"There are no ROM updates available for the TyTN at present, although are actively working one to address various issue customers are experiencing.
We are expecting this to coincide with the Windows Mobile 5 AKU3 update."
Nat
please help/ new to this
I have a 02 xda exec that has several programs that states that " either it is not signed in with a trusted cetificate, or one of it's commponent can not be found, you might have to reinstall or restore this file." My desktop had the backup files for the 02 exec but it crashed. im using my laptop to try to find out how to restore my files. I tried the update but that failed too. Please help.
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I have a 02 xda exec that has several programs that states that " either it is not signed in with a trusted cetificate, or one of it's commponent can not be found, you might have to reinstall or restore this file." My desktop had the backup files for the 02 exec but it crashed. im using my laptop to try to find out how to restore my files. I tried the update but that failed too. Please help.
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This is the TyTn forum. You want to post this in the Universal forum.
natgoldhaber said:
Dear Prof, Asukal and especially Axiom:
I want to thank you for your responses. I took the plunge last night and upgraded the phone radio ROM to the Cingular 1.16 version using the instructions and files from Asukal.
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Congratulations and you are very welcome. Btw, which base rom did you stay with? I have noticed better reception with the 1.16 radio, how are you finding it?
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Congratulations and you are very welcome. Btw, which base rom did you stay with? I have noticed better reception with the 1.16 radio, how are you finding it?
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ROM is version 1.18.255.3
Date:7/22/06
Radio: 1.16.00.00 (hurray)
Protocol: 32.53.7018H
ExROM: 1.18.255.106
I will give a full report on the radio tomorrow - not enough experience with it yet - and some very minor anomalies after the upgrade.
If you're experiencing shortened battery life, try changing the push email settings (active sync for the mail server) -- if you set it to other than "as they arrive" to an hour or so, for off-peak, it will really reduce the battery drain. Same with the settings for an POP3 email mailboxes -- change the polling interval to a longer duration. I've found that to be one of the biggest battery drains on my TyTN.
I've had a TyTN for more than 2 months and absolutely love it. Sold my k-jam (wizard) because I want the 3G if Cingular USA ever gets it working in my area. I've found the TyTN faster even on the EDGE network locally and better overall than my k-jam -- seems like the issues with the wizard have been largely addressed. Mind you I've never had the screen alignment problem so I can sympathize with those who do. I did switch my HTC ROM to the Imate ROM and I feel like the stability is better.
Slightly better
natgoldhaber said:
ROM is version 1.18.255.3
Date:7/22/06
Radio: 1.16.00.00 (hurray)
Protocol: 32.53.7018H
ExROM: 1.18.255.106
I will give a full report on the radio tomorrow - not enough experience with it yet - and some very minor anomalies after the upgrade.
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I think the Cingular 1.16 Radio ROM is just a bit better than the TyTN ROM that was native to my device. It seems very clear and it MAY hold the signal a bit better. My house is in a marginal area, switching constantly between GPRS and UMTS. That may make things difficult. My reception at home is clearer but about the same as my old Treo 650 in terms of maintaining a connection. The 8125 I had on trial from Cingular for a few weeks was better - but of course it had no UMTS.
Might be interesting for someone to do a hack which grabs GPRS during phone conversations in marginal areas and prevents going to UMTS during the call. ?????
I downloaded the fix4cat TyTN tweaker and set audio to "excellent." Not sure what that does, but excellent sounds good. I also enabled HSPDA, but that seems to do nothing.
Anyway I am happy.
The audible player still does not work worth beans (boohoo - their tech support is NO HELP AT ALL) and I had a really terrible experience with Chapura Pocket Mirror which I used successfully on the Treo for years. I need to synchronize public folders on my Exchange server. Any ideas? Chapura is brain dead, temporarily broke my device and made me spend hours recovering my programs and settings.
Finally - anyone ever able to get into a Cisco firewall and look at files on the company server with the VPN software in WM5??? I have tried using PPTP – no luck.
And really finally, thanks to everyone who helped. (Battery life better with push email off and TyTN magically stopped alignment drift completely and I am no longer a ROM virgin).
Nat
I installed 6.5 on Touch Pro, but I can't find a working sprint tv cab for. would someone mind posting one that works? They all install, but can't connect to server when I want to play.
Thanks in advance.
i try to connect like 4 times & keep getting error 7004, but after a reset it usally works...until my next rom flash then i got to do it over
I'm also looking for this...
same problem here, any fix yet??
WEll I had sprint TV working on my 6.5 rom (mighty) and everyone else says it STILL WORKS.. but I get a 7008 error now.....
any ideas?
Sprint TV WinPhone 6.5 cab download fix
teradog @ ppcgeeks has your fix:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=101089
... and don't forget to hit the "thanks button"... LOL... errr wrong site LOL
nfsfan's 6.5.3
first, the latest nfsfan rom (6.5.3...) is fantastic. - only used it for a few hrs. now but really enjoy my touch pro (sprint) much more than with other roms - anyway, i've tried 3 sprint tv cabs and either get the 7004 or 7008 connection error depending on which one i install. - if the price for using the great (and free!) software upgrades is no TV then so be it, but i would love to have this last thing resolved. otherwise its back to random flash happy downloading and experimenting which i'd like to be done with. - again much love to nfsfan for a great rom!
can someone please help :/
maybe post more sprint tv cabs? - not sure if this would help but its my non-programmer logic
Hi all,
Merry Christmas to all on this wonderful site
I have been using the HD2 from the last 5-6mts. However, recently noticed that the problem with not getting enough network on my cell phone, calls dropping, sms giving a problem. If I get the phone inside my apartment, get very less network, unlike other handsets where using the same SIM, I get excellent reception! I don't know if any upgrade is required or not.. below are the phone details.. I really don't want to give up on this beauty, I love it except for this...
Model : HTC HD2 T8585
s/n : HT03XNW03568
IMEI : 35412003737464001
OS : 5.2.21869 (21869.5.0.82)
Manila version : 2.5.19211619.0
ROM version : 1.66.405.2 (76641) WWE
ROM DATE : 01/11/10
RADIO VERSION : 2.06.51.07
PROTOCOL VERSION 15.30.50.07U
I trying to upgrade the ROM on the HTC India as well as UK site but keeps telling me the s/n number does not permit this upgrade!
Totally confused and don't have a techie mind here to apply ..so ne step by step help would be gr8.
Also read a few posts of people upgrading the HD2 to Android... Any specific benefits in doing so ? My battery life, call drops (no network) are quiet a pain with the above versions that I am using...
Cheers and thanks again to all for your help... please keep writing in with your suggestions / feedbacks..
enigma075 said:
Hi all,
Merry Christmas to all on this wonderful site
I have been using the HD2 from the last 5-6mts. However, recently noticed that the problem with not getting enough network on my cell phone, calls dropping, sms giving a problem. If I get the phone inside my apartment, get very less network, unlike other handsets where using the same SIM, I get excellent reception! I don't know if any upgrade is required or not.. below are the phone details.. I really don't want to give up on this beauty, I love it except for this...
.......
I trying to upgrade the ROM on the HTC India as well as UK site but keeps telling me the s/n number does not permit this upgrade!
Totally confused and don't have a techie mind here to apply ..so ne step by step help would be gr8.
Also read a few posts of people upgrading the HD2 to Android... Any specific benefits in doing so ? My battery life, call drops (no network) are quiet a pain with the above versions that I am using...
Cheers and thanks again to all for your help... please keep writing in with your suggestions / feedbacks..
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Your Phone is Vodafone HD2 Sir
Go to here and download with your S/N
the new LEO-S Vodafone UK 3.14 Stock ROM
see you, in Artemis ROM thread...
hi there..
Thanks for being the 1st to reply spot on...I have a few questions though (pardon my ignorance on this and please be patient)
- The version i currently have is 1.66 whereas on the link which is for Vodaphone it is 3.14... is it ok to str8 jump to this version or are there any other versions I need to first update and then go to the latest one ? BTW I use a separate service provider in India (and not vodafone).
- I have Microsoft My Phone on the phone which I have loaded all the contacts/sms etc on. After the download is over, am assuming I will have to reload all the contacts/sms again ?
- I am downloading the ROM upgrade file on the desktop (use Vista) without attaching the phone with the USB cable. Am assuming to run the .exe file I will need to attach the phone to laptop and then run the file ?
- Will the Radio versions get upgraded too ? As I think the calls dropping due to network issues is to do with the Radio versions...
Kindly revert when convenient, the download is ongoing on my laptop as I write this message...
Cheers and thank you again for your help.
Greetings from India
to each question above.
correct
correct
correct
no, you can't change radio on 3.14 roms because there is no hspl for it yet.
hi there,
Thanks for your kind revert.
Does that mean the call dropping thing will not improve with the new ROM... the Radio version shows 15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14 where as the version I am on is 2.06.51.07. Hope this Radio upgrade along with the ROM upgrade helps cause the call drops are quiet unprofessional especially when someone calls from work... and I don't seem to face this problem on other handsets which are less than a fraction of a cost to the HD2...
yea going from 2.06.51 to 2.15.50 should certainly see improvement.
Hi samsamuel,
i have bad news for you. After two or three months of use, my HD2 started to drop Data, SMS couldn't be delievered sucessfully and I wasn't able to do any phone calls in certain areas. I send it for rma an got an new one after 3 weeks.
hope this helps
Hi there,
I just did a ROM upgrade... Thank you all in here...
Some more questions on it...
- I get the vodafone logo on the start up... hope that shouldnt create a problem with settings with my own service provider as I do not use vodafone...
- While sending SMS, it quickly shows sending failed. After a 2nd retry, the message goes thru successfully... ne reason why ?
- My WAP/GPRS settings are obviously gone and my service provider will call 2mrw to load it back again...only then will i be able to sync by address book from Microsoft My Phone
Kindly advise/comment on the above when you guys can...
Thanks again for your help.
Cheers!
gweurk said:
Hi samsamuel,
i have bad news for you. After two or three months of use, my HD2 started to drop Data, SMS couldn't be delivered successfully and I wasn't able to do any phone calls in certain areas. I send it for rma an got an new one after 3 weeks.
hope this helps
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lol, not bad news for me, i hate the 2.15.50 radio, its rubbish. i was being general, and the Op should see an improvement by moving up a few radio versions.
enigma075 said:
- I get the vodafone logo on the start up... hope that shouldnt create a problem with settings with my own service provider as I do not use vodafone...
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thats the 'splashscreen', its just a picture, you can change it just like flashing roms.
- My WAP/GPRS settings are obviously gone and my service provider will call 2mrw to load it back again...only then will i be able to sync by address book from Microsoft My Phone
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shouldnt need to wait for them to do anything
settings - menu - all settings - connections - connection setup.
Im surprised it didn't run automatically when the phone restarted.
hi Samsamuel,
Thanks, as always for your help.
- How does one change that vodafone logo showing up on start up or on shutdown ?
- I too was surprised as to how the wap/gprs settings didnt come on automatically... finally after around 14hrs of logging a complaint, waiting for 2hrs on the phone (literally over several calls) and visiting the service providers store, the WAP/GPRS settings were provided and I could get my contact list reloaded again...Now you know the level of service that we get.
- Any other recommendations on any applications / upgrades on the phone would be appreciated...Do you recommend I change the radio version as the current one that i have with this upgrade is 2.15 and didn't notice much difference in the connectivity area (which is my main problem really) though have used it only for a day as yet.
Cheers!
see the 'splashscreen watermark' link in my sig for the technicals of flashing splashscreens.
for recommendations, i rarely offer recommendations, except cookies home tab
i didnt like 2.15 radio, but its very VERY much trial and error, , no two people agree on radio performance. for me 2.10.50 and 2.11.50 work best.
so the windows phone 7 devices os consist of the following parts:
4. the OS itself (NOT device specific)
3. Firmware (device specific)
2. Radio software (device specific)
1. Bootloader (device specific)
so to simplify it lets say the 1. bootloader is the bios
the 2. radio software is gsm/cdma cellphone service drivers
3. firmware is device specific drivers and software
and last but not least is the user interface, the 4. device OS
now already two month ago HTC pushed device updates for HD7 and trophy
but not for the mozart, in my countrys support page from HTC the mozart IS NOT EVEN LISTED. it seems they forgot about the phone. check it out yourself:
http://www.htc.com/de/support_select_product.aspx
now i do know there DOES UPDATED CAMERA DRIVER EXIST.
ive once flashed this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984239
RUU_Mozart_HTC_Europe_1.30.401.01_5.54.09.21_22.33 b.50_RELEASE
this one had some very much updated camera!
the first thing you will notice it AUTOFOCUS
i can proove the results in very much better pictures!
well i had to flash back to stock rom and updated the normal ways.. currently running the newest OS, but still on that stock bootloader/firmware
completly missing the camera features...
now everytime i take pictures i remember how they could have been....
its a shame...
Well we know that and its a shame but HTC is the one to blame...
i don't think it's HTC at fault
i have got the autofocus on my camera with NoDo - others have reported the same.
Possibly a region thing? Same as some people have voice-search and others don't
No its not region dependent! It doesn't make any sense.
You got it with NoDo because if you read Microsoft updates, they make updates for specific devices and not only the OS itself. Thay way, and with the hardware manufacturer, the updates can also have better functionality for specific devices...
sorry - i don't understand what point you're making.
YES microsoft update lots of things in each update - how does that make it HTCs fault?
if i have a mozart - and you have a mozart - we should both get the same update yes?
The updates don't come from HTC. The carriers have the updates from MS and push from there. HTC aren't involved in the process.
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sorry - i don't understand what point you're making.
YES microsoft update lots of things in each update - how does that make it HTCs fault?
if i have a mozart - and you have a mozart - we should both get the same update yes?
The updates don't come from HTC. The carriers have the updates from MS and push from there. HTC aren't involved in the process.
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Well i thought i said it all in the last post, but here it is again:
Microsoft updates the OS but also updates device specific stuff because they work with the manufacturer to do so! And that is why you got autofocus with NoDo (its not WP7 dependant)...
About the updates going to all of us Mozart users, we will get the updates but not at the same time, the World is much more complex than that.
HTC and the other manufacturers are involved in the process... They can send updates via Zune to specific devices. Didn't you read the first post, in witch HTC sent updates for Trophy and HD7?
Take a look at Microsoft Windows Phone Blog for instance, there is good info there, and all from Microsoft: http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/
yes - i understood all of that as i said in my last post - i know that there is more involved in the updates than just the OS parts - i've been on here for many years - i know all of that - but NoDo is up to the CARRIERS when to push it.
the part i don't understand is where you said it was HTC's fault.
HTC are NOT pushing NoDo - they HAVE sent some specific updates out for some other devices as you said - but this has nothing to do with the autofocus issue.
When they send out updates - it's for ALL the devices of that type.
Therefore if it was an HTC problem - NOBODY with a mozart would have autofocus until HTC released a patch.
Because some people HAVE got it - and some people HAVEN'T got it - means that it's part of the NODO process which is between MS and the carriers - not HTC
For example : If EVERY trophy needs an update - HTC release it.
If EVERY omnia7 needs an update - samsung release it
These are issues which affect EVERY handset of it's type - and the manufacturer would be at fault for those issues. HTC would be at fault therefore if NOBODY had the autofocus and EVERYBODY needed the update.
HTC, samsung etc send some of their updates to MS to be included in the next version of the OS - and MS then push those updates AND the OS updates out to the carriers. This means that SOME people can have different features to other people. Like some people have Bing voice-search and some people don't - even though both have got NoDo.
If you get a problem that SOME users have got and others have NOT got - it means that either MS has only sent the fix for some carriers and not others - or that some carriers have not pushed the update out yet.
Autofocus problems therefore would be either MS' fault (for not sending the autofocus fix out with NoDo for those people) or the carriers fault (for not sending NoDo out yet at all).
look at the poll results - NOBODY has got autofocus as a fix from HTC - it's NOT htc's problem - but most people HAVE got it - mostly from the NoDo update.
I think you are making some confusions.
Updates for specific devices, coming with NoDo or not, are manufacturers responsibility, because they work with MS, witch makes the OS updates.
The carriers may delay NoDo or other updates, but eventually they will be sent (MS is actually watching and controlling the carriers, and they have a website for that info too). Some carriers will not block anything and unbranded/unlocked devices will always get the updates as soon as MS sent them. There are even countries where WP7 is not "officially" available where the update is being sent (Portugal for instance).
Bing voice search, and other features, is only available on some countries. For instance, Bing is still BETA in Portugal, witch means we don't have the full Bing experience. If i put England or USA on my country, i can then use the full Bing experience, so these features, like others, are region related.
When people got the autofocus issue solved, they got it with NoDo or the phone already had a new bootloader witch included NoDo. Like i said, these device specific features were included by HTC.
All i mean is that if device features are missing or work badly, its the manufacturer fault (MMS configuration is not working on HTC devices for my carrier, and the problem is with HTC Connection Setup and not WP7, and they know this issue since October last year and have done nothing to solve it ).
The updates sent by MS getting to all people thats another story...
no, becuase HTC HAVE sent the fix to MS to include with NoDo - that's where everyone else got the fix from. HTC HAVE FIXED IT. If you havent got autofocus its NOT htc's fault. They have fixed it and distributed the fix to MS to send to you.
AFAIK : Autofocus issue isn't a bug - it's just a change in behaviour - it's not that it didn't work before - it just works DIFFERENTLY now. Before you held the button down to the first step (which is the case on many cameras - that's why they have 2-stage buttons in the first place....first stage to focus - 2nd stage to take photo). SO again - it's NOT HTC's FAULT - becuase it wasnt a bug. There ISNT a bug - it's just been updated and now it works differently.
HTC Connection Setup is totally different - that is an HTC problem of course.
im afraid that there is a little misunderstanding goin on...
or you understood right and im the only one without autofocus on nodo xD
there 2 kinds of autofocus, well, 1x focus, 1x autofocus
my current nodo and earlier camera does (auto)focus when you press the camera button half way.
but on the updated version you DONT HAVE TO PRESS BUTTON TO FOCUS
it will just focus & stabilize, no need to press the button, only to shoot.
i believe noone got that with nodo, only if u flashed the newest rom...
no - i got that with nodo
i don't have to press the button - and some other other people got autofocus with nodo too.
if you remember when you posted here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1023928&page=2
Me and carmello1911 both said autofocus was working on our phones after nodo
d-signet said:
no - i got that with nodo
i don't have to press the button - and some other other people got autofocus with nodo too.
if you remember when you posted here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1023928&page=2
Me and carmello1911 both said autofocus was working on our phones after nodo
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wow thats for the reminder, you see this still bugs me....
your infos (back then WITH handsfree AUTOFOCUS):
OS version : 7.0.7390.0
Firmware : 2250.09.13001.061
Hardware : 0004
Radio s/w : 5.54.09.21_22.33b.50.10U
Bootloader : 1.30.2250.1(117854)
meegulthwarp WITHOUT AUTOFOCUS like me
OS: 7.0.7390.0
Firmware: 2250.09.13001.061
Radio s/w: 5.54.09.21_22.33b.50.10U
Bootloader : 1.30.2250.1(117854)
my infos ( still NO handsfree autofocus):
OS version : 7.0.7392.0
Firmware : 2250.09.12902.401
Hardware : 0004
Radio s/w : 5.52.09.16_22.33a.50.10U
Bootloader : 1.28.2250.4(113913)
meegulthwarp do much look like yours.
i really wonder whats goin on there and what part this depends on.
this is what i did do with my device:
1. unbranded the device!? YES
2. using goldcard? NO
3. Chevron Unlocked? YES
4. Registry Prevent Relock? YES
5. UPDATE to NODO via ZUNE? YES
6. current Phone Model Name: HTC 7 Mozart T8698
7. handsfree autofocus? NO
since t-mode finally pushes nodo my last hope is to flash back original rom, start from scratch and hope something changes, that sucks, and i think on my current rom mango might come earlier than tmode...
S/w upgrade on Mozart?
NoDo? as the word say, really no-do,
Mango? where is it? Jan? March? & now still no news?
Really, what's this all about? 1st the win phone7 out, then, found out something not really good enough, ok, come with S/w upgrade, NoDo, still not good enough? then quickly made correction, improvements, . . . waiting & waiting . . . haiz.
where, where where? are the people in M/s or Htc aware??
Hey everyone,
Last week me and my friend bought a fake iPhone that runs on an Android 2.2.1 ROM with an iPhone interface. There was a version of Skype pre-installed on the phone, but the version got stuck at the sign in screen (after pressing sign in) every time we tried.
After a few days of sniffing around on Google and downloading quite a few versions, we have still got the same problem. On the internet are a lot of posts about this, but there is no clear fix for the problem.
Our carrier is China Unicom, they have a 2G and 3G network and we also have a wireless. Although we came to understand that wifi is not supported on the mobile versions of Skype.
Can anyone help us out with a fix for this very annoying problem?
Cheers,
Bump, any reply would be helpful
This is kinda lame... So many views so little answers?
You've got a phone that nobody has and you can't identify, based on an old OS version ... there really isn't much we can tell you other than: try different versions. It seems like a problem with your firmware, and updating from such an old version would seem like a good idea for security reasons alone... but since this is a phone that doesn't officially exist, I doubt there's a project that creates custom firmware for it.
if you want, i got an skype beta for android, can send you link
BiGbu_SVK said:
if you want, i got an skype beta for android, can send you link
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That would be great, can you send me a PM with the url?
I'll be looking forward to your message.
Thanks for the replies!