Meaning Enabled/Disabled Fast Dormancy In S3 - Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Can anyone let me meaning of enabled/disabled fast dormancy..Actually what use this fast dormancy and its workout???

There are literally dozens of threads about this but it may be hard to get the needed information since many clueless people spread misinformation about fd.
First of, fd has something to do with data network and is only relevant in 3G (including HSPA) networks.
2G (Gprs, Edge) do not have such a feature.
3G network use a very high frequency which directly means that they need more power per second than 2G but also have a higher throughput rate, making it's power/work ratio lower (=better) than 2G.
However there is an issue with this feature: even when not actually in usage it drains your battery far too quickly.
Now, noone might care if you were to tranfer data non-stop but mobile phones have a history of idling 99% of their life.
One might say "hey let's go back to 2G when there is little to no activity" but unfortunately that won't work since 3g and 2g (in fact all generations) are incompatible to each other which causes a brief interruption in connectivity and closes all open connections.
As a result the network engineers decided to opt for a technique they called fd and which basically turns off 3G.
Usually when a phone connects to a 3g network it has to run through a long, complicated and time-consuming handshake process in which it is attributed, amongst others, the IP adress. These details are all discarded when the connection is lost or cleanly disconnected.
(Note: changing antenna is not considered a lost connection but uses a special soft- or hard-failover protocol)
So if the phone was to just turn off the 3g it would not work but there needs to be a consentual agreement with the network antenna to keep the data in store and reserve the resources attributed with the phone.
Now we can turn 3g off and save battery, knowing that we can revive the connection anytime we havo to send data.
(Naturally if we keep the connction offline for some time the network will just assume we lost data connectivity and free the resources anyway)
However what about receiving data (most notably Google C2DM long-polling)?
To receive data we have to turn the 3g network on again (wake up from fd) and request any pending packets the network temporarely delayed for us. If data is present, the phone completely wakes up from fd, otherwise it will go straight back to fd.
The interval between 2 polls is provider-dependant and is roughly 5 to 30 seconds of sleep time.
In a nutshell
-fd delays incoming data by up to poll-interval seconds
-if the interval is too low, fd will not save power
- if the networ does not support fd, the battery drains faster thao with fd disabled
- fd usually saves a lot of battery
-fd causes a lag on the first outgoing byte of a transmission
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d4fseeker said:
There are literally dozens of threads about this but it may be hard to get the needed information since many clueless people spread misinformation about fd.
First of, fd has something to do with data network and is only relevant in 3G (including HSPA) networks.
2G (Gprs, Edge) do not have such a feature.
3G network use a very high frequency which directly means that they need more power per second than 2G but also have a higher throughput rate, making it's power/work ratio lower (=better) than 2G.
However there is an issue with this feature: even when not actually in usage it drains your battery far too quickly.
Now, noone might care if you were to tranfer data non-stop but mobile phones have a history of idling 99% of their life.
One might say "hey let's go back to 2G when there is little to no activity" but unfortunately that won't work since 3g and 2g (in fact all generations) are incompatible to each other which causes a brief interruption in connectivity and closes all open connections.
As a result the network engineers decided to opt for a technique they called fd and which basically turns off 3G.
Usually when a phone connects to a 3g network it has to run through a long, complicated and time-consuming handshake process in which it is attributed, amongst others, the IP adress. These details are all discarded when the connection is lost or cleanly disconnected.
(Note: changing antenna is not considered a lost connection but uses a special soft- or hard-failover protocol)
So if the phone was to just turn off the 3g it would not work but there needs to be a consentual agreement with the network antenna to keep the data in store and reserve the resources attributed with the phone.
Now we can turn 3g off and save battery, knowing that we can revive the connection anytime we havo to send data.
(Naturally if we keep the connction offline for some time the network will just assume we lost data connectivity and free the resources anyway)
However what about receiving data (most notably Google C2DM long-polling)?
To receive data we have to turn the 3g network on again (wake up from fd) and request any pending packets the network temporarely delayed for us. If data is present, the phone completely wakes up from fd, otherwise it will go straight back to fd.
The interval between 2 polls is provider-dependant and is roughly 5 to 30 seconds of sleep time.
In a nutshell
-fd delays incoming data by up to poll-interval seconds
-if the interval is too low, fd will not save power
- if the networ does not support fd, the battery drains faster thao with fd disabled
- fd usually saves a lot of battery
-fd causes a lag on the first outgoing byte of a transmission
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This was really helpful.
Thank you.
here goes a click on the Thanks button.

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Mobile Data Connectivity Issues

My Amaze is having some serious Mobile data (4g/2g) connectivity issues. The problem is this:
1. When turning the screen on, the notification bar shows no mobile data connection, regardless of how many bars I have. Mobile data connection is always enabled under quick settings, but for some reason the phone still can't establish a connection for quite some time, or until toggling mobile data on/off a few times.
2. After finally getting a connection, the phone has further problems connecting. Even though 4g/3g/2g icon is present on notification bar and mobile data is enabled in quick settings, using browser will return only "page not found" errors, and apps will not function properly due to them not having a network connection (foursquare and spotify most especially). Looking at the 4g icon on the notification bar, I can see the "up" arrow flashing as if the phone is sending data, but the "down arrow" is dead as a doornail, not lighting up or receiving anything back. This happens regardless of how many bars I have.
3. On the rare occasion that the phone's mobile data connection does work, it's super slow and acts more like 2g than 4g. Simple web pages take anywhere from around 30 seconds to a minute to load, and spotify cannot stream a song without having to buffer constantly.
Does anyone know how to fix this issue? Or had experience with it? Just in case your wondering, I haven't gone over my 5gb data plan yet (see attached image).
Issue resolved.
Apparently this problem is a combination of 2 glitches:
1. When upgrading to a new phone, despite how much data you used in your plan during the billing cycle, on the T-Mobile My Account website, the widget which shows how much data you've used will only reflect the data you've used on the currently activated device. Before I upgraded to the Amaze, I had exceeded my 5gb limit on my Nexus One and was being throttled by T-mobile to lower speeds. My next billing cycle doesn't start until Dec 27th, so despite the fact that I've only used about 70mb on my new Amaze, the 6 gb I already used on my Nexus One still counts for this month's billing cycle even though the T-Mobile website doesn't reflect it.
2. When throttling, the Amaze, which by default is set to WCDMA/GSM auto, is supposed to automatically switch itself off of 4g and only allow 3g/2g connections. It doesn't. For some reason, it stays with the 4g connection even though the connection is, at best, intermittent. This is the cause of the "page not found" errors and app network errors I was having.
So, for anyone else who is wondering how to remedy this, the fix is simple. Go into Settings>Wireless & Networks>Mobile Networks>Network Mode, then tap "GSM only". This will cut off the problematic 4g connection while still allowing for 3g/2g connections. While noticeably slower (especially where I live, since the Florida panhandle only has 2g and 4g, no 3g), the mobile data connection is solid. Have yet to have any connection errors or experience any intermittency. Still, can't wait until the 27th when I can test out the full power of the 4g connection.

[TIP] Smart Action: WiFi Connection

Just thought I'd share something that is really working for me in terms of battery life:
Create a smart action that disables cellular data whenever you are connected to a WiFi network.
I have been consistently getting 12+ hours of battery with moderate to heavy use when on only on WiFi.
Thanks for the tip. I will definitely try this.
pdefazio said:
Just thought I'd share something that is really working for me in terms of battery life:
Create a smart action that disables cellular data whenever you are connected to a WiFi network.
I have been consistently getting 12+ hours of battery with moderate to heavy use when on only on WiFi.
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I have the same setup. Also have an action when I turn my screen off it disables wifi, background sync, cell data, and GPS. 12+ hrs here also.
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I was thinking about setting something like that up, but was worried about interference with calls & SMS & junk... Any problems to report?
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bebeau25 said:
I have the same setup. Also have an action when I turn my screen off it disables wifi, background sync, cell data, and GPS. 12+ hrs here also.
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Why would you turn data off when screen is off??? Don't make sense doing that.
On mine data turns off the moment I connect to WiFi and that is the way it is supposed to work. Do you see a H, E, or whatever data icon next to the bars when you connect to WiFi? If not, it means data is already off. Why use the smart action then?
IP IHI II IL said:
I was thinking about setting something like that up, but was worried about interference with calls & SMS & junk... Any problems to report?
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Calls and SMS you should be fine with because they do not require a data connection.
Szadzik said:
On mine data turns off the moment I connect to WiFi and that is the way it is supposed to work. Do you see a H, E, or whatever data icon next to the bars when you connect to WiFi? If not, it means data is already off. Why use the smart action then?
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IIRC, although a WiFi data connection superceeds a cellular data connection when it is active, the 3G/4G radio is still alive even if it isn't involved in data transfers during that time..
I've certainly noticed improved battery life when on WiFi but explicitly turning the 3G/4G (mobile data) radio off.
jms_uk said:
IIRC, although a WiFi data connection superceeds a cellular data connection when it is active, the 3G/4G radio is still alive even if it isn't involved in data transfers during that time..
I've certainly noticed improved battery life when on WiFi but explicitly turning the 3G/4G (mobile data) radio off.
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+1
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The only problem i had with this was with MMS messages. can't send or receive MMS.
MrFrankfromCM said:
Why would you turn data off when screen is off??? Don't make sense doing that.
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How not?? Your screen is off and 3G/WiFi is killing your battery for no reason (unless you are downloading or background sync on for a reason), so why not have it off when screen is off and save battery. I still stick with JuiceDefender for this.
jms_uk said:
IIRC, although a WiFi data connection superceeds a cellular data connection when it is active, the 3G/4G radio is still alive even if it isn't involved in data transfers during that time..
I've certainly noticed improved battery life when on WiFi but explicitly turning the 3G/4G (mobile data) radio off.
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1. Data radio is one and the same with your cellular calls radio, so unless you go into flight mode, it is going to be active.
2. If it is not sending or receiving data it is not using more energy than when data is disabled and cellular stays enabled.
Szadzik said:
1. Data radio is one and the same with your cellular calls radio, so unless you go into flight mode, it is going to be active.
2. If it is not sending or receiving data it is not using more energy than when data is disabled and cellular stays enabled.
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Interesting you say that, but I've noticed that as far as the what the phone's reporting via settings/toggle widgets etc.. "mobile data" is still active when WiFi is active (even if its status disappears from the notification bar and no actual mobile data activity is going on).. and, it can be explicitly turned off - leaving you still able to receive calls etc. Perhaps its not turning the
radio "off" per-se, but its definitely seems to be doing something over and above just letting WiFi take precidence for data transactions..
I've definitely noticed an improvement in battery life by doing this, over and above simply turning on and connecting to WiFi and NOT explicity turning mobile data off..
I also noticed that in some older versions/flavours of android (2.1, 2.2) the option to explicitly turn off "Mobile Data" wasn't present, relying instead (I assume) on what you've described above..
Szadzik said:
1. Data radio is one and the same with your cellular calls radio, so unless you go into flight mode, it is going to be active.
2. If it is not sending or receiving data it is not using more energy than when data is disabled and cellular stays enabled.
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I don't believe this is correct. I believe the Wi-Fi chip is independent of the cellular antenna. That is what I have seen in every tear down of the phone.
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pdefazio said:
I don't believe this is correct. I believe the Wi-Fi chip is independent of the cellular antenna. That is what I have seen in every tear down of the phone.
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Where did I say WiFi radio and cellular radio are in one chip? I said DATA and CALLS chip is one and the same.
I thought that it would be better to bring back an old thread rather than start a new one.
I have a smart action as described in this thread that turns off cellular data whenever I am connected to wifi. However, the problem I have is that cellular data does not turn back on whenever I disconnect from wifi. I have to manually go into my settings and enable data. Has anyone else run into this?
buck i said:
I thought that it would be better to bring back an old thread rather than start a new one.
I have a smart action as described in this thread that turns off cellular data whenever I am connected to wifi. However, the problem I have is that cellular data does not turn back on whenever I disconnect from wifi. I have to manually go into my settings and enable data. Has anyone else run into this?
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I sorta have the same(ish) problem. Data can take a little while to activate after I'm disconnected from WiFi. Every once in a while, I need to turn airplane mode on and off in order for data to turn blue. The fact that MMS messages are disabled with this Smart Action is a little disappointing too, but I don't receive enough while I'm home to be super frustrated by it...
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I think the problem is to do with Smart actions not returning your device back to the exact state it was in before the action was triggered.. Possibly also issues with other smart actions interfering with the state of other parameters..
I wonder why Moto didn't go with an 'exit action' approach used by apps like Tasker?

Why does enabling incoming SIP (internet calls) drain battery so much?

As the subject asks, why does it drain the phone so much?
On my nokia symbian phone, it is connected to my asterisk box 24/7 over wifi and will last for days.
My galaxy nexus will drain out in hours if connected via wifi to my asterisk box.
The SIP qualifys are every 60 seconds.
Has anyone been able to get decent battery life for incoming SIP on ICS?
A somewhat related question I have; does anyone know of an app that will enable incoming SIP only when on wireless?
Thanks
It is because either the app or the build prop on the phone has the wifi scan rate up high. That means it needs to have a stable and solid connection so scanning for the wifi source more regularly ensures it doesn't drop a call or miss a message or what ever.
You can do one of a few things. You can freeze the app using Titanium backup and then unfreeze it when you need to use it and or you can drop the wifi scan rate from what it is now to a higher number i.e. 20 = 20 seconds (thats intervals between scans) and 180 is a large interval between scans. Above 180 and your starting to run the risk of having a call drop out on you if you are not on a solid wifi connection.
I am looking into a way of either modifying the default prop or possibly a script into adjusting the wifi scan rate to enable users to turn the scan rate down when not engaged in a wifi call and then turn it back up if they wish to (i.e. whilst on a wifi call or in a area of poor signal strength).

Battery use in standby, Wi-Fi vs radio?

In order to receive real time Google Voice phone calls, I need to maintain an active internet connection. Everything I've read suggests that Wi-Fi is the most power efficient way to do this. However, my idle power consumption when using Wi-Fi is 2% per hour, vs 0.8% per hour on 2g (0.4%/hr when mobile data is off). Does anyone else have similar results, or is there something wrong with my set up?

[Q] Wifi always on better for the S6 battery?

Since I always tried to get the most batterylife out of my android phones, I would always set my device up, so that wifi would turn off automatically when in standby.
Now a friend of mine, who also got the S6, told me, that with the S6 I should set the wifi, so that it never turns off, not even when the phone gets to standby. His argument is, that when I'm constantly at home or at work (with wifi connections available) the wifi would use less battery power, than the 3G or 4G connection.
Also he sent me this:
http double point //www dot androidcentral dot com/android-101-save-battery-keeping-wifi-alive
(cant post the link ._.)
Is there any truth to this? Should I really put the wifi sleep policy on "never"?
Any opinions?
This is a two-fold question that requires two answers. You are both half right. Wi-Fi should be disabled when there's no hotspot nearby. Otherwise, your device is wasting battery seeking for a connection. On the other hand, if you're already connected to a recognizable Wi-Fi hotspot, Wi-Fi should be on even while the device is locked. It would have a battery-adverse effect if your device has to re-enable Wi-Fi each time it sends out beacons for email, facebook, twitter polling. Nothing preserves more battery than enable Wi-Fi and mobile data only when those sources are available. You can use one of those automatic Wi-Fi/LTE enablers found in the Play Store.
On point!!
myh0mie said:
Since I always tried to get the most batterylife out of my android phones, I would always set my device up, so that wifi would turn off automatically when in standby.
Now a friend of mine, who also got the S6, told me, that with the S6 I should set the wifi, so that it never turns off, not even when the phone gets to standby. His argument is, that when I'm constantly at home or at work (with wifi connections available) the wifi would use less battery power, than the 3G or 4G connection.
Also he sent me this:
http double point //www dot androidcentral dot com/android-101-save-battery-keeping-wifi-alive
(cant post the link ._.)
Is there any truth to this? Should I really put the wifi sleep policy on "never"?
Any opinions?
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WI-FI takes less power than 3G, 4G connection. That for sure, i've tried it several times.

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