Is it good to be switching roms frequently? Can it mess up your phone?
As long as u do it correctly each time u should b fine....but obviously it'll b hot if u flash too much....
You can flash as many ROMs as you wish with no worry, it won't cause any hardware problem more than using it a lot during the period you would flash (I mean that gaming 10 minutes is as bad as flashing a ROM for the device) so there is no problem. You will just be wiping quite often to keep it running smoothly.
Actually flashing a rom only formats different partitions which the memory is made for as it is made for read/write files. There is even almost no CPU usage I think since roms are simply zips extracted to the right partitions.
Happy flashing
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You can flash as many ROMs as you wish with no worry, it won't cause any hardware problem more than using it a lot during the period you would flash (I mean that gaming 10 minutes is as bad as flashing a ROM for the device) so there is no problem. You will just be wiping quite often to keep it running smoothly.
Actually flashing a rom only formats different partitions which the memory is made for as it is made for read/write files. There is even almost no CPU usage I think since roms are simply zips extracted to the right partitions.
Happy flashing
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Actually memory tends to wear with constant formatting and writing, but once he doesn't flash it every five minutes for the next couple months, it's gonna be fine.
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Okay then It's different of regular HDD we find usually in computers. True that we don't call it ROM with no reason but I remember I read an article stating that the actual drives used for ROMs are supporting thousands of writes... But with a little calculation once per five minutes for a few months makes kind of 60 000.
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Okay then It's different of regular HDD we find usually in computers. True that we don't call it ROM with no reason but I remember I read an article stating that the actual drives used for ROMs are supporting thousands of writes... But with a little calculation once per five minutes for a few months makes kind of 60 000.
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I'd love to continue the discussion, but if we get too in depth into this convo, some users may get scared for no apparent reason, so I'll leave them with your last words.
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does too much wiping and flashing of new roms shorten s3 life (processor, battery etc).
im jusg worried since lately i have been on a flashing spree checking what roms work for me,
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ring_GT said:
does too much wiping and flashing of new roms shorten s3 life (processor, battery etc).
im jusg worried since lately i have been on a flashing spree checking what roms work for me,
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All flash memory have a limited life-span of about 100,000 writes (unlimited reads). Depending on the manufacturer of the memory this can reach 1,000,000 writes.
I understand your concern, but unless you're planning on flashing your device about about 30 times every single day for the next 10 years, I guess you are safe.
Hello, so yesterday I was updating my phone on the primary and secondary rom. As usual using the recovery from Siyah.
The first problem I notice was the wipe data process took more time than normal, then the rom installation itself took a LOT of time, more than 5 minutes.
After the rom installation I tried to flash the JB Domination and the process took like 8 minutes or more.
This also happened using CWM Touch which was working well until yesterday.
Then booting into the rom I notice the performance was a bit laggy, when calling the keyboard or any other normal action takes more time than normal.
Do you think this is a symptom of a damaged memory or partition?
Any suggestion or its better to send to warranty? since the phone its a bit laggy now, and it was not a few days ago.
Regards
Try booting only a single rom and remove all traces of the dual boot. This has always caused issues and has never been completely stable for long periods.
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I don't know about partitions and stuffs but I think you should start back from square 1. Flash back a stock ROM through Odin (the latest firmware) just install cf root and see if the cwm bug is fixed. Maybe it lags cause you've been flashing a lot lately?
the curious part is the present lag into CWM.
i will do a fress installation and test.
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Do you think this is a symptom of a damaged memory or partition?
Any suggestion or its better to send to warranty? since the phone its a bit laggy now, and it was not a few days ago.
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It might be a symptom of some small bad memory blocks starting to develop - but I doubt warranty will cover that.
It is also possible that the speed is related to the amount of free erase-level blocks (something like 256k to 1MB in size I believe) internally available to the flash controller - just as in most SSD's the write performance plummets once you get over 50% of the flash marked as used!
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It might be a symptom of some small bad memory blocks starting to develop - but I doubt warranty will cover that.
It is also possible that the speed is related to the amount of free erase-level blocks (something like 256k to 1MB in size I believe) internally available to the flash controller - just as in most SSD's the write performance plummets once you get over 50% of the flash marked as used!
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Well, after do a fresh startover I get the lag fixed, I think its a good time to sell this phone.
Alejandrissimo said:
Well, after do a fresh startover I get the lag fixed, I think its a good time to sell this phone.
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You will find no phone that can handle dual booting without lag. Your lag came from that.
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zelendel said:
You will find no phone that can handle dual booting without lag. Your lag came from that.
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what? why?
Glebun said:
what? why?
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Because the system wasn't designed to do it. Android is still a baby in the OS world and has not even been optimised for anything more then a dual core let alone dual booting on a very limited system. Even multi level threading is not up to par yet.
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You will find no phone that can handle dual booting without lag. Your lag came from that.
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the second rom was there long time ago, the lag was new, just two days ago.
The lag was present INTO CWM recovery, no just a normal lag rom. I think this is related to bootloader or bad blocks/memory failure.
Anyway seems ok at the moment (Still on siyah kernel)
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the second rom was there long time ago, the lag was new, just two days ago.
The lag was present INTO CWM recovery, no just a normal lag rom. I think this is related to bootloader or bad blocks/memory failure.
Anyway seems ok at the moment (Still on siyah kernel)
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How often do you swap between the two? I have never seen any lag when in recovery as there shouldn't be any as long as the recovery isn't getting messed up.
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zelendel said:
Because the system wasn't designed to do it. Android is still a baby in the OS world and has not even been optimised for anything more then a dual core let alone dual booting on a very limited system. Even multi level threading is not up to par yet.
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what exactly do you mean? how is dual booting more resource hungry?
A friend told me that flashing roms/kernels on your phone will eventually cause a decrease in performance and battery life. Is this true? I kind don't wanna flash too many times on my new S4...
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A friend told me that flashing roms/kernels on your phone will eventually cause a decrease in performance and battery life. Is this true? I kind don't wanna flash too many times on my new S4...
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I have flash like 23 roms and i never have any issue like performance or battery.....
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I own my one X about 300 days now flashing a ROM every 2 days so that's 150 flashes at least and the performance is still much better then the day I bought it. Maybe the battery doesn't like it to much but that's because the one x needs to be connecting via a PC to flash a ROM so that's a lot of connecting/disconnecting the battery.
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Your friend is wrong. Straight up wrong. Flash away
The quick answer is yes, the long answer is you don't need to worry about it. Repeatedly wiping and flashing the partitions will over time have an effect. The flash storage used in virtually all mobile devices can only be written a finite number of times. I know a dev who have to be careful of which kernels he flashes because they have bad blocks and only a real slim one will fit now. But it is a 3 year old phone that has been used heavy by a developer. A heavy crack flasher will likely never even come close to flashing as many times as a dev working on a rom. If you flashed a different rom everyday, you should be perfectly fine to last through several years of use.
As for battery, flashing roms has ZERO impact on battery integrity.
I had to have flashed my droid x and droid 2 and droid 2 global once a day at least for about 2 years except on weekends. When working on ROMs and mods I didn't have a choice. But my DX and d2s still run great to this day.
And the entire time I ran those they were overclocked from 1.0ghz to 1.25ghz daily with no thermal throttling. If anyone was going to burn up their phone it should have been me.
My gs4 is following suit. I flash a lot because of projects. I don't expect to have to buy another but I already have began planning on it. The hope is I won't have to and that money can buy the next phone.
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I can't help but laugh at the question (please, no offense intended). If this were a real concern most of us here would be in a bad way.
Once it hits 100 flashes, it will start sending Verizon a text saying you are flashing custom roms, then they sent the flash police to your door, be careful.
The Ax says, not true.
On my G3 back in the day, I must have flashed it hundreds of times, np.
hlxanthus said:
The quick answer is yes, the long answer is you don't need to worry about it. Repeatedly wiping and flashing the partitions will over time have an effect. The flash storage used in virtually all mobile devices can only be written a finite number of times. I know a dev who have to be careful of which kernels he flashes because they have bad blocks and only a real slim one will fit now. But it is a 3 year old phone that has been used heavy by a developer. A heavy crack flasher will likely never even come close to flashing as many times as a dev working on a rom. If you flashed a different rom everyday, you should be perfectly fine to last through several years of use.
As for battery, flashing roms has ZERO impact on battery integrity.
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and this is what i've also learned from my years of flashing. yes it'll affect, but you'll most likely never get around to the point where it'll make a difference.
Hello guys.. I'm a flashaholic.
The reason i'm here, is because i've just realized, that i haven't had my quick fix for some time now..
Everything seems so stable, except the *mic* issue, but hey, i fixed it with a hands-free.. Otherwise, i'm very happy with my phone, it works, it doesn't use up that much battery, and it doesn't crash, you can even do normal stuff to it.
But to the point.. I really, REALLY miss AOSP, especially the theming.
I can live with the occasional bugs, though i wish it could be at least somewhat stable.. *You know, im not that picky*.
But the one thing that keeps me from using AOSP; is the camera app from Sony, because i like taking pictures of my son, and the environment..
Are there any Camera app out there comparable to the Sony equivalent?
Oh, the urge..
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Hello guys.. I'm a flashaholic.
The reason i'm here, is because i've just realized, that i haven't had my quick fix for some time now..
Everything seems so stable, except the *mic* issue, but hey, i fixed it with a hands-free.. Otherwise, i'm very happy with my phone, it works, it doesn't use up that much battery, and it doesn't crash, you can even do normal stuff to it.
But to the point.. I really, REALLY miss AOSP, especially the theming.
I can live with the occasional bugs, though i wish it could be at least somewhat stable.. *You know, im not that picky*.
But the one thing that keeps me from using AOSP; is the camera app from Sony, because i like taking pictures of my son, and the environment..
Are there any Camera app out there comparable to the Sony equivalent?
Oh, the urge..
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I have the same urge, I wanna get the full output from my Xperia Z2, feel all those four cores working in my hand. But that one Sony Camera app stops me because it's beautiful. It's matchless. That's the only reason I'm not changing my ROM and be bound to what Sony's put in my phone.
I am in the same boat here! I want to flash PA so bad especially with all their features but then the camera app, the noise cancelling features and x-reality etc is really stopping me from doing so
i use to be in the same boat before i noticed there is no point to flashing roms when im on a rom which does what i want
perhaps you should find a rom which has what you want
Same here.I literally used to flash a new ROM on my Nexus 5 everyday. As has been said though, the stock Z2 ROM does everything I want it to and rooted with some xposed mods its perfect.I just have to learn to live with my phone the way most other people do.
just a note
formatting then writing a rom to your system slows your device ALOT, it also cause alot of other issues but that comes after long wear n tear
Envious_Data said:
just a note
formatting then writing a rom to your system slows your device ALOT, it also cause alot of other issues but that comes after long wear n tear
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Does this include doing a clean install? I mean doing clean install also slows the system? I've done clean install (re-install the stock Sony Z2 ROM) for 3 times till now. (Via Sony PC Companion)
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Does this include doing a clean install? I mean doing clean install also slows the system? I've done clean install (re-install the stock Sony Z2 ROM) for 3 times till now. (Via Sony PC Companion)
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included:
repair via sony pc companion
firmware upgrade
flashing custom rom
flashing ftf via flashtool
flashing via emma
all of those wear bout the same, its a matter of which one you do the most
in this case, flashing custom roms is this one
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included:
repair via sony pc companion
firmware upgrade
flashing custom rom
flashing ftf via flashtool
flashing via emma
all of those wear bout the same, its a matter of which one you do the most
in this case, flashing custom roms is this one
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But I've done clean install via Sony PC Companion for 3 times now... So does this mean my phone isn't as fast as the day I bought it? Even though I've installed a clean ROM?
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But I've done clean install via Sony PC Companion for 3 times now... So does this mean my phone isn't as fast as the day I bought it? Even though I've installed a clean ROM?
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minor signs should show about 25th time to my experiance
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minor signs should show about 25th time to my experiance
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I remember reading somewhere years ago that flashing new firmware over and over will eventually wear out the hardware and cause it to slow down/eventually fail. I can't seem to find anything for this when searching though! Would it be possible for you to shed some light on what I should be searching for or what causes this issue?
Thanks in advance!
Devzz said:
I remember reading somewhere years ago that flashing new firmware over and over will eventually wear out the hardware and cause it to slow down/eventually fail. I can't seem to find anything for this when searching though! Would it be possible for you to shed some light on what I should be searching for or what causes this issue?
Thanks in advance!
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there is something called read/write cycle life
you can only write info so many times onto a disk before it wears out and stops working
formatting a partition takes a huge amount of cycles, installing roms does the same too because its alot of data that has to write
some info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory
Envious_Data said:
there is something called read/write cycle life
you can only write info so many times onto a disk before it wears out and stops working
formatting a partition takes a huge amount of cycles, installing roms does the same too because its alot of data that has to write
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory
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Cheers for the reply! From what I read on the link, it says most flash memory have a P/E cycle of around 100,000 and from what I can remember, it varies depending on the type/quality of the flash memory used (Nexus 7 2012 had rubbish flash memory which a lot of people complained about). Just going off an assumption that the Z2 has a P/E cycle of 100,000, wouldn't it take quite a lot of ROM flashes before the memory deteriorates? Or is it more due to the size of the data being written/erased than the amount of times it is being done?
Sorry for the questions, I know this isn't the thread for it but it is interesting to me!
Devzz said:
Cheers for the reply! From what I read on the link, it says most flash memory have a P/E cycle of around 100,000 and from what I can remember, it varies depending on the type/quality of the flash memory used (Nexus 7 2012 had rubbish flash memory which a lot of people complained about). Just going off an assumption that the Z2 has a P/E cycle of 100,000, wouldn't it take quite a lot of ROM flashes before the memory deteriorates? Or is it more due to the size of the data being written/erased than the amount of times it is being done?
Sorry for the questions, I know this isn't the thread for it but it is interesting to me!
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I used to flash a lot roms everyday on various devices. I didn't notice any side effects of it. As I know a little about hardware there is nothing to fear. You can imagine than one memory cell is one bit of data. If it withstands 100 000 writes it literally means that you can save data (eg. flash rom on it) 100 000 times. There is no way that you can cross this number even with everyday flashing. And it doesn't matter how much data we are writing because each memory cell deteriorates individually, so if we write on 1000 cells it means that every cell will deteriorate only by one write operation which means every cell will still be able to be written 99 999 times.
Another thing is that the storage memory in smartphones is usually one chip which means that all your data including /system partition (which you overwrite during rom flashing) and your photos and music on /data are on one physical device. The conclusion is that if you are afraid of rom flashing and wiping you should also be afraid of saving photos to internal memory. And since we are using our int. memory and change files placed on it a lot it means that we can flash roms as we please without consequences.
Ruku1994 said:
I used to flash a lot roms everyday on various devices. I didn't notice any side effects of it. As I know a little about hardware there is nothing to fear. You can imagine than one memory cell is one bit of data. If it withstands 100 000 writes it literally means that you can save data (eg. flash rom on it) 100 000 times. There is no way that you can cross this number even with everyday flashing. And it doesn't matter how much data we are writing because each memory cell deteriorates individually, so if we write on 1000 cells it means that every cell will deteriorate only by one write operation which means every cell will still be able to be written 99 999 times.
Another thing is that the storage memory in smartphones is usually one chip which means that all your data including /system partition (which you overwrite during rom flashing) and your photos and music on /data are on one physical device. The conclusion is that if you are afraid of rom flashing and wiping you should also be afraid of saving photos to internal memory. And since we are using our int. memory and change files placed on it a lot it means that we can flash roms as we please without consequences.
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Thanks for the thorough explanation. I had my suspicions this would be the case and you've driven it home by explaining the whole music/data/pictures scenario. I used to flash PA and other roms on my N4 more often than I care to count but I never once saw a decrease in performance so it's good to know (personally and for others) the phone's read/write performance is not going to be realistically affected! :highfive:
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minor signs should show about 25th time to my experiance
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I've flashed previous android devices ( HTC magic / Desire HD / SGS 3) 100+ times each with no obvious slow down, my albeit limited understanding was that NAND chips where rated for 100k+ P/E cycles?
ghostofcain said:
I've flashed previous android devices ( HTC magic / Desire HD / SGS 3) 100+ times each with no obvious slow down, my albeit limited understanding was that NAND chips where rated for 100k+ P/E cycles?
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Correct from the wiki link provided a few posts ago:
"Most commercially available flash products are guaranteed to withstand around 100,000 P/E cycles before the wear begins to deteriorate the integrity of the storage.[21] Micron Technology and Sun Microsystems announced an SLC NAND flash memory chip rated for 1,000,000 P/E cycles on 17 December 2008"
Hello to the RN3 community
I always have a feeling that I'm not getting the most out of the device's storage. I own a first batch 2/16 variant kenzo. Everytime I start using ADM, the device's starts freezing, hanging and long delays happen. Other apps become irresponsive. If there's music playing in the background, it starts to shutter. I don't see such thing in other devices.
Apart from using ADM, Heavy apps/games also take a lot of time to load. Gcam also crashes after trying to process several pics in the buffer.
Every developer uses an individual I/O scheduler, with different read-ahead values. Isn't there a proper workaround to this problem? Are you even experiencing such problem?
Two days and still no replies. What an active community!
Don't use MIUI ROM. Or upgrade to last MIUI version. Will fix your problem.
bagasfabianmaulana said:
Don't use MIUI ROM. Or upgrade to last MIUI version. Will fix your problem.
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I don't use MIUI lol
Reformat partitions to f2fs and see if you notice any changes.
With android 8 i have some freezes too with some kernels, but with 7xx all is smooth. Keep in mind that if you like me have the phone from 2 years, maybe nand is a bit degraded.
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Reformat partitions to f2fs and see if you notice any changes.
With android 8 i have some freezes too with some kernels, but with 7xx all is smooth. Keep in mind that if you like me have the phone from 2 years, maybe nand is a bit degraded.
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Yeah it's more than 2 years that I have this phone. And the problem doesn't happen on oreo roms only. I had these problems since the developers started working on Marshmallow roms. It's been a long time that I haven't used MIUI but I'm kinda sure the problem is even worse in that.