Good day people, I have a dumb question and no need to be polite I know its dumb lol I just got an evo lte and I love it so far. But I did some reading up on training batteries and I'm aware that you can't necessarily train a lithium ion battery but I know there things that you can do help the battery last longer etc.
The first day I did my normal routine, drain it all the way charge it all the way. It took a long time for the battery to die which seemed like it was a good thing. I did that twice and I noticed that after a full charge the battery drops to 97% fairly quickly (like withinless than a min or 2) and from the few days I've had it it seems like it may not hold the charge well over time . I wouldn't normally be concerned about this however this is the first phone I've owned without a removable battery, I don't want to regret it 6 months from now because the phone only lasts 5 hours.
So my question is this I am still within the buyers remorse period should I just exchange it for another onevor am I just being too paranoid? Secondly how do you all train your batteries when you first get the phone? What works for you all who own this phone?
Thanks in advance.
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Good day people, I have a dumb question and no need to be polite I know its dumb lol I just got an evo lte and I love it so far. But I did some reading up on training batteries and I'm aware that you can't necessarily train a lithium ion battery but I know there things that you can do help the battery last longer etc.
The first day I did my normal routine, drain it all the way charge it all the way. It took a long time for the battery to die which seemed like it was a good thing. I did that twice and I noticed that after a full charge the battery drops to 97% fairly quickly (like withinless than a min or 2) and from the few days I've had it it seems like it may not hold the charge well over time . I wouldn't normally be concerned about this however this is the first phone I've owned without a removable battery, I don't want to regret it 6 months from now because the phone only lasts 5 hours.
So my question is this I am still within the buyers remorse period should I just exchange it for another onevor am I just being too paranoid? Secondly how do you all train your batteries when you first get the phone? What works for you all who own this phone?
Thanks in advance.
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First off, congrats on your choice. This phone has a Li-Ion Polymer battery, which is different from the Li-Ion batteries of yore. I am stock rooted and with medium to heavy use I get a day<12+ hours> out of a full charge with no batt training. I have not experienced the rapid discharge you speak of and if you have no apps causing it, you may need to swap it.
I also get a pretty rapid discharge from 100%->98% - takes about 5 minutes to drop that 2 percent. But after that, I am clear sailing for ~15 hours.
Oh so the rapid discharge thing isn't uncommon then? Hmm
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Oh so the rapid discharge thing isn't uncommon then? Hmm
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I don't know if it's the same as the og evo and the 3d but when it hit 100% try unplugging it then plug it back in for a few. That may give you the true full charge and stop the quick 2% drop
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Yea I'm kind of torn on exchanging it. I may just do it. Of course it would be my luck to get a phone with issues if I did.
That's normal. If this is like the OG Evo (and it probably is), the phone will charge to 100%, then let the battery discharge to 95% before charging back to 100% again. This is primarily to protect the battery and prolong its life. So while the phone may claim to be at 100%, it could be as low as 95% when you unplug from the charger. The rapid discharge you're experiencing is really just the phone adjusting to the actual battery level.
Also, there's no need to "train" the battery. I seem to recall that it's generally not healthy to discharge a Li-Po battery to 0%, and can shorten the life of the battery.
The battery percentage drop you guys are seeing is perfectly normal. No need to exchange your phone. As soon as the kernel source is released by HTC, then the great devs here will be able to bless our phones with some SBC goodness and you will not have that problem anymore
You guys don't think I did any noticeable damage by fully discharching it twice do you? I'm going to charge it and see what happens I don't have any immediate thoughts of exchanging it based off of what you guys are saying. I'm going to charge it up and post results. If its not like what you guys are getting life wise I may exchange it as I still have like 5 days left.
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tmotechsupport said:
You guys don't think I did any noticeable damage by fully discharching it twice do you? I'm going to charge it and see what happens I don't have any immediate thoughts of exchanging it based off of what you guys are saying. I'm going to charge it up and post results. If its not like what you guys are getting life wise I may exchange it as I still have like 5 days left.
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No, it's fine.
Fully discharging it just reduces the number of cycles left you have. Most li-ion batteries have 1000 charge cycles. Battery charge is not an exact science. Do not look at it like you are not getting the full charge.
So at the end of the day it looks like roughly 8 to 9 hours of moderate to heavy use on my phone moderate for the first 7 hours heavy for the last 2 and some change. Does that sound about right?
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I get around 15 or 20 hrs also cm9 I get 24+
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I am wondering whether the charging methods make a difference to battery life?
How do you charge your battery, and also your initial charge from new?
This is the first phone I've had that I didn't leave the initial charge on all night 16 hours initial as recommended by most phone manufacturers, and I just took it off after a few hours when it was charged up. Do you think that affects the performance of the battery? I've never charged it for more than a few hours. The main reason I don't leave it on all night is because it gets really hot, so when it goes green light, it's done for me
Do any of you let it run out past the amber warning colour as a completely flat battery is probably better to charge?
All my other phones were left on charge all night, every night, but they weren't this type of phone.... and in truth, it makes no difference whatsoever to the battery. The Motos also needed charging every day
Stunning work guys, 56 views by people I can only assume own the Hero, and nobody wants to divulge their dirty secrets about battery charging... Thanks anyway
Just look around google for Li-ion recharging, there is plenty of resources to read up on when trying to keep battery life at a maximum.
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Stunning work guys, 56 views by people I can only assume own the Hero, and nobody wants to divulge their dirty secrets about battery charging... Thanks anyway
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probably because the hero is so new that nobody can tell anything about the battery life? and i don't suppose any of the 56 people has two heros and did the experiment of charging one full and the other for 16 hours, only to use them in the same manner afterwards and count battery life... ?
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probably because the hero is so new that nobody can tell anything about the battery life? and i don't suppose any of the 56 people has two heros and did the experiment of charging one full and the other for 16 hours, only to use them in the same manner afterwards and count battery life... ?
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Yeh, that wasn't actually my point, but thanks anyway!
112 now...
I was wondering how many people just got the phone, and charged it 16 hours initially or couple of hours and go, and do they leave on all night despite it getting hot.
Not hard...
You should charge it until it is fully charged but not leave it on charge extensively - excess heat may cause the battery life to reduce (although I wouldn't know how much degradation this would cause). It is probably ok every once in a while to leave it on charge overnight, in theory the phone should have circuits to protect against overcharging it anyway. 2 hours is about right for a charge cycle. You should charge it when the phone advises to do so - 15% or less charge. The Lithium Ion battery will only recharge cycle effectively a minimum of 300 times but I would estimate conservatively that is the number of times you can recharge. 2 days between recharges would give you about 2 years life out of a battery. I recharge it every two days, and charge time is about 2 hours.
Yeh, I have to charge it every day though......... Never lasts longer. I just wondered if you were supposed to do the initial first charge overnight and whether it sets the standard for the length of time you get each day after that?
i guess every hero is different. longest i used my phone without charging is 2 days with moderate use.
before i charge my phone i kill all tasks in the background and clear my browser history. might not make a difference but to me it feels better to have a fresh phone after charge.
Is that with the task killer app, or is there another way?
I can't imagine mine ever lasting 2 days.....
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Is that with the task killer app, or is there another way?
I can't imagine mine ever lasting 2 days.....
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I'm using TaskPanel as a taskiller...
when i got the hero the battery was ~half full. i charged it for about half an hour, but had to stop the charging before it was full.
the battery doesn't last longer than one day, although i play a lot with it (obviously). when i put it to the charger i try to let it charge fully up, and i noticed that the charging is stopped when the battery is full (you see the icon in the not.bar go back to normal green battery, and the phone cools down noticably after charging is completed). concerning this i have no problem to leave it plugged in overnight. checked last night, when NOT plugged in it takes 4% of battery for ~7 hours in airplane mode.
yesterday after flashing nero 5 i wanted to recondition, so while sleeping at night i charged my phone to 100, and now during the day time im trying to waste the battery, but during that i got caught up on adb and connected my charger, and left it there, now its back at 83% battery, does this mess up the reconditioning process? or do i have charge back to 100, then do it all over?
anyone? please lol
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anyone? please lol
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what you should do is drain it all the way untill you cant turn it on anymore and leave it chargin all night turned off, and when you wake up turn it on and let it charge untill its full again, then boot into recovery and wipe batt statt , and you should be good to go mine last about 20 hours after i did that
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what you should do is drain it all the way untill you cant turn it on anymore and leave it chargin all night turned off, and when you wake up turn it on and let it charge untill its full again, then boot into recovery and wipe batt statt , and you should be good to go mine last about 20 hours after i did that
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I did just about the same with mine, minus the chargin all night turned off, and I am getting about 20-24 hours with mine, which is more than I need as I plug it in every night
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I did just about the same with mine, minus the chargin all night turned off, and I am getting about 20-24 hours with mine, which is more than I need as I plug it in every night
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me to im near a power source or computer all the time so
What you should do is keep letting it drain until 1% or so. I don't think you need to let it die completely. Charge to 100%. Boot into recovery and clear battery stats with the charger still plugged in. This is the important part. Then drain the battery and charge to full. Then you should be good to go.
question, after draining to about 1%, does the phone have to be off? and can i use the phone just a bit while its charging?
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question, after draining to about 1%, does the phone have to be off? and can i use the phone just a bit while its charging?
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The general consensus is that when you condition you should charge the phone while it's off. I don't know enough about battery chemistry to tell you why. Just do it to be safe
Battery "recondition", actually does not "recondition" the battery, it is a trick just to get more accuarte readings (that's the only reason you reset STATS)
The battery may not charge up to 100% and will never do, just following this procedure. It will just say it is @ 100% when you actually are @ 85 or 87, that's why the sudden "jump" you see.
Best way to try to get better readings is charging the battery till it says 100%, unplug it and plug it again a couple of times until it fully charges and follow the same procedure.
Once yo did this a few times, turn off phone, reboot in CWM (with the phone never unpluged) and clear battery stats. turn off phone and unplug,,,,
You will got at least more accurate readings
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Battery "recondition", actually does not "recondition" the battery, it is a trick just to get more accuarte readings (that's the only reason you reset STATS)
The battery may not charge up to 100% and will never do, just following this procedure. It will just say it is @ 100% when you actually are @ 85 or 87, that's why the sudden "jump" you see.
Best way to try to get better readings is charging the battery till it says 100%, unplug it and plug it again a couple of times until it fully charges and follow the same procedure.
Once yo did this a few times, turn off phone, reboot in CWM (with the phone never unpluged) and clear battery stats. turn off phone and unplug,,,,
You will got at least more accurate readings
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Android Police did a piece on plugging and unplugging your phone to get up to 100% (it's called bump charging, see below). They recommended that you NOT do it because it doesn't get you much additional juice and you wear your battery out faster. Normally I just charge my battery up to 100% (no drain), wipe the battery stats, unplug and go until it dies. I use it while it's plugged in and still get a full day easily out of my phone.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
I hate to be the bearer of bad news. You can not condition a Lithium-Ion battery. All you are doing is wearing it out prematurely by deep cycling. Every time you do this you destroy your over all battery life a little.
I have posted about this here in several thread, and I am getting a little tired of having to tell people NOT to do this because they don't search for themselves. Do a search on the forums for deep cycle li-ion and see for yourself.
If you want to know the technical reasons why, Google is your friend.
so we just deal with what is perceived as faster battery depletion?
Im asking because As i have posted on another threat I am a complete freak about my battery life.
Basically yes, I have 3 batteries to go around all day, although I us the car charger, if for any reason one day I take the train to the city, I will eat up 2 and a half batteries in a day.......
I had 3 batterys for my hd2 I need to get 2 new batteries for my vibrant. I guess im just tripping because I tried and over clock kernal and it seems like its dying faster while the screen is off
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news. You can not condition a Lithium-Ion battery. All you are doing is wearing it out prematurely by deep cycling. Every time you do this you destroy your over all battery life a little.
I have posted about this here in several thread, and I am getting a little tired of having to tell people NOT to do this because they don't search for themselves. Do a search on the forums for deep cycle li-ion and see for yourself.
If you want to know the technical reasons why, Google is your friend.
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went to your link, and found this..
http://www.ehow.com/how_6803484_do-lithium-battery-cell-phone_.html
anyways, i've heard it all, and even i used to agree with people like you, and it probably DOES wear out my battery, but the first time i did it, i got 6 hours more in battery, does that mean that my batterys dying because its giving me more life?
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so we just deal with what is perceived as faster battery depletion?
Im asking because As i have posted on another threat I am a complete freak about my battery life.
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Yea, just chill. It is all in your head. From ROM to ROM, usage pattern to usage pattern, and app version to app version - there are just too many variables to worry about. Just use your phone, charge it when it needs it, and relax.
Your phone's battery is going to get less life as it ages. There is nothing you can do about that. Also, it will likely only get 2-3 years before it needs replacement. If it gets less than 2 years it is because you have been "conditioning" it. which ages it prematurely and also causes how long it lasts between charges to shorten as well.
Li-ion does not have a memory, so conditioning is an inherently false concept. Recalibrating the devices ability to read the battery is a different story, but it should only be done if it really needs it (like it thinks it is at 1% when it is at 20%), and it should never be done more frequently than a minimum of 30 charge cycles or if you charge it once a day when you go to bed no more than once a month. Less frequent is better.
So sorry, you need to find something else to obsess about. Might I suggest getting Team Whiskey to make BlackFroyo the default theme, use the 5 bar signal meter, the larger numbers on the battery, and the hacked camera the used the power button to take pictures. That would save all of us some time.
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went to your link, and found this..
http://www.ehow.com/how_6803484_do-lithium-battery-cell-phone_.html
anyways, i've heard it all, and even i used to agree with people like you, and it probably DOES wear out my battery, but the first time i did it, i got 6 hours more in battery, does that mean that my batterys dying because its giving me more life?
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Nice link - try reading the stuff by the engineers that work with batteries for a living now instead. You do know eHow is just a site where any idiot that thinks they know something can post, right? Are you going to reference wikipedia next?
BTW when you recalibrated your battery and got 6 more hours, did you do anything else that might have explained it? You know like flash a new effing ROM? That might possible change a few things to do with your power usage.
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Nice link - try reading the stuff by the engineers that work with batteries for a living now instead. You do know eHow is just a site where any idiot that thinks they know something can post, right? Are you going to reference wikipedia next?
BTW when you recalibrated your battery and got 6 more hours, did you do anything else that might have explained it? You know like flash a new effing ROM? That might possible change a few things to do with your power usage.
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it was a joke
and no, i flashed Nero 4.1, and then used it for a week thinking the phone would adjust to the battery and new rom, it didn't.
then i thought i'd just take a chance and recondition my battery, it was my first time, and it worked out great.
and trust me i'm a heavy user.
roughly 300-400 texts per day.
20-40 phone calls
music about 5 hours per day
and i play soem games, but thats understandable because playing dungeon defenders uses like 30% battery per hour bcz of the high graphics and such.
a bunch of app downloading.
One of the worst things you can do to a lithium battery is discharge it completely. They don't suffer from "memory" yet every time someone here in the forums complains that they are getting crappy battery life the instruction to discharge and recharge to 100% before clearing stats pops up.
For those who are interested here is an article that explains in detail.
batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
My main question- Is there some function in android that looks at the maximum depth of discharge level of the battery or is it that most people don't understand the characteristics of L-ion and confuse them with those of Ni-Mh or Ni-Cad?
I want to know because if I need to completely discharge to get better perfomance, despite the reduction in charge cycle lifetime, I will do it but only infrequently.
I've only let my battery discharge completely once, and it wasn't on purpose. From the posts I see here I think I get above average battery life. About 18 hours miui before I go for the charger and on 2.2 roms I'd get 20 hours and still have 40% or so to go. So no I don't think completely discharging your battery does anything for battery life.
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I have never run mine down completely. Gotten it to about 6% but that was because I was fighting ROM flashing problems. I usually call 25-30% enough for me and plug in then. I am also getting 30 hours out of my 2.2 with a good deal of use. I used to have a Motorola and their batteries are total crap. If you EVER let it get down below 10%, it took some real work for it to charge correctly and boot up. Even as much as a hardware mod where I have had to cut the wires on a USB charge cord and charge it rigged up with the wires pressed against the battery and prongs in the phone. Very dangerous, but worked for a last resort.
Discharging the battery is not for the sake of the battery,but more so for the ROMs data and how it acquires the battstats usage. I only run it up and down and clear stats when flashing a new ROM, but I do use my phone moderate to heavy daily and have had great success in battery life the way I calibrate it.
The solution I think is to use a larger capacity battery and regulate it to narrower window of operation never fully charging or discharging.
The fastest killer though seems to be heat.
I have read several times that your phone does not fully discharge the battery...that there is still a minimal amount of charge,not enough for the phone to opperate but enough to not damage the battery when it shuts down
Maybe the batterystats file can be saved after being calibrated once and then restored after every wipe oor flash.. that would save some time aabd according to you guys, batt life too
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I've only ever calibrated my a few times and only after flashing a new rom. I never run my battery down after resetting the stats. I just use my phone as I normally do. My understanding of calibration is that it's not about squeezing more life out of the battery despite what most people think but of getting a more accurate measurement of the battery's actual charge. Also while it's true that the phone will shut of before the battery is completely discharged damaging the battery, allowing the battery charge to drop that low shortens your battery's life and decreases the amount of charge your battery can hold.
What gets me is I also read somewhere that for optimum battery life you should keep your battery level somewhere between 70%-40%. Of course that doesn't stop me from charging my phone to 100% everyday. I don't remember where I found that article but I'll post a link if I can find it again.
The reason this bad advice about completely discharging your battery persists is probably the same reason people keep recommending automatic task killers.
batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
ok, ok ill volunter, ill watch porn till my battery"discharges" At least my log will be interesting
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One of the worst things you can do to a lithium battery is discharge it completely. They don't suffer from "memory" yet every time someone here in the forums complains that they are getting crappy battery life the instruction to discharge and recharge to 100% before clearing stats pops up.
For those who are interested here is an article that explains in detail.
batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
My main question- Is there some function in android that looks at the maximum depth of discharge level of the battery or is it that most people don't understand the characteristics of L-ion and confuse them with those of Ni-Mh or Ni-Cad?
I want to know because if I need to completely discharge to get better perfomance, despite the reduction in charge cycle lifetime, I will do it but only infrequently.
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Discharging the Battery & Running the Battery Dead is 2 Different things!
We recommend running the battery dead ( Phone Shuts Off ) & recharging while off to train the Android OS from Full > Empty..
Running the Phone until Dead is not Going to hurt the Battery in anyways shape or form despite what you may think or read!
The Reason is, the battery is never fully Discharge & still holds Voltage.. The Calculations of Charged / Dead is at the Kernel Level, so even when dead it still has a 3.4v still or roughly..
As long as the kernel isn't tampered with, discharging the battery via the Phone will never hurt the battery period!
Now, Based on the link you posted you would have to run the battery down past the safe discharge point.. Via some other means of killing the battery, other than using the Phone.
To help ease your mind, Remember this:
~ Charge levels is controlled by the kernel
~ Even when Phone powers off, there is still plenty of charge in the Phone's Battery
~ Battery is never Fully charged, as this also hurts lithium batteries
Roughly every Android kernel does not let lithium battery get below 3.4v and at most 96% charged.
Hope this helps,
~Eugene
If you are still concerned wait until your phone turns off and stick your battery on a meter. You will see there is still power left in it...
My original battery that came with the phone got great life, then couple of months later it was discharging in like 2-4 hrs(froyo), so I called, they sent another one free...5-6 months later that one started doing it as well, so I pulled out the old one from the drawer, it powered on at like 85% ! and I was getting crazy ass life out of it on miui over 30 hrs one time...now that one is acting up again, so I'm going to try to swap again..lol...maybe there's something to not using them for a while...
I've used diff roms and combinations of draining/recharging...calibrating, not calibrating...it's always different results..honestly I don't think there's any rhyme or reason to it other than the fact that many vibrants have diff hardware and there will always be some weird quirk on a per user basis...
As far as hurting it by draining it all the way, I hardly think that's the case seeing as with both batteries I've always let it run down...not on purpose but there has been many many times I've plugged in at 1% or had to power back on because it died...charged it up and got 20-30hrs no prob..usually issues come up when flashing a new rom...
i think it all comes down to luck of the draw. ive had my vibrant since launch day, and i still manage great battery life. my battery is actually stamped 7-02-2010. every 2 weeks or so ill drain the battery completely, turn it back on and allow itself to die again, and finally allow it to fully charge overnight or 4 hours. i usually get a good 7-8 hours of constant use on cm7, or over 24hours if let on standby.
im still debating if i want to grab an epic 4g touch battery as well to increase it even more.
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im still debating if i want to grab an epic 4g touch battery as well to increase it even more.
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what's this about?
Epic 4g batteries are 1800 and fit in our vibes.
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what's this about?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1262035
in there they tested in a store since the epic 4g touch battery fit into a regular epic 4g, if it would fit into a vibrant. only thing is you have to put the battery in facing inside, and it fits and works 100%
Yeah the Epic 4G batteries fit in our Vibrant's. You can buy knock-off one's (that work well) for 19.99$ US! Here's a thread about it...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316492
Epic touch battery for the win. I've been rocking it for a few weeks. I was on miui and getting 14-16hrs. I recently went back to froyo and yesterday I got 12hrs off of a 67% charge.
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dont know if people have seen this article but i thought it was pretty interesting about the battery stats file not actually needing to be deleted...
http://www.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer
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dont know if people have seen this article but i thought it was pretty interesting about the battery stats file not actually needing to be deleted...
http://www.androidcentral.com/wiping-battery-stats-doesnt-improve-battery-life-says-google-engineer
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Lol one of the biggest flukes in our forum haha.. people will harm their battery to calibrate it and it doesn't even do anything ...
Thank god I only calibrated once
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How long do I charge my Z2 when I get it for the very first time on Tuesday? Do I keep it on there for 24 hours? And how long should I discharge it for? Till it's empty? Want to make the most out of my battery in the long run.
The manual states 30 minutes charging before first use. The battery is Li-Ion so no need to care about how you use it.
From my experience only leaving Li-Ion battery for long time discharged might get you in trouble.
i would go for 6-8 hours for first charge
To be honest there are many different opinions on this, and i dont believe in single 1 of them lol. I had many smartphones till now, and never did these fullcharge or discharge thingies, and never had worse battery life than it should be. But thats just my opinion. Oh and i read somewhere that its actually bad to completely discharge, as it may shorten its lifetime over time.
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To be honest there are many different opinions on this, and i dont believe in single 1 of them lol. I had many smartphones till now, and never did these fullcharge or discharge thingies, and never had worse battery life than it should be. But thats just my opinion. Oh and i read somewhere that its actually bad to completely discharge, as it may shorten its lifetime over time.
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I agree with that statement.
So do you think I should only charge it for one hour and that's it? When should I put it on charger again? 10%?
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So do you think I should only charge it for one hour and that's it? When should I put it on charger again? 10%?
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It doesn't matter. Battery is pretty modern and not like the old phones. Charge how you like. Even when you fullcharge you can leave the charger in because it stops charging at 100%.
I charged mine for about 2 hours before powering it on to make sure it was 100% full, lithium ion batteries are not designed to be fully discharged then recharged, doing that just makes the battery life worse.
Good to know because it was tedious. Thanks guys
I have this doubt since purchasing the Xperia Z!
As soon buy my Xperia Z2 and the store where I will buy it is difficult to leave the charging device 30 minutes before turning it on to test it!
As difficult as it was I let mine charge for an hour or so before I used it. Not sure if I needed to but was in work at the time so had a few things to keep me busy while charging
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My phone had 62% battery when I recieved it. Probably my contractor that installed some apps and charged it. I didn't charge it untill it was empty.
I wonder what is the need to leave charging for 30 minutes before turning on the device for the first time since the other brands of devices do not need it!
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I wonder what is the need to leave charging for 30 minutes before turning on the device for the first time since the other brands of devices do not need it!
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Mine also came with 60% battery when I got it, I think its normal to keep a charge in the battery because it helps battery life.
I let mine drain right down that first day then I charged to 100% overnight.
I currently get to end of day with around 50-60% left
You should always charge them to full before first use. The charge that's in there is only a manufacturing charge, which is enough to keep the cells active.
Also, you shouldn't drain it completely. Lithium works best from around 30%-80% charge.
dilema said:
You should always charge them to full before first use. The charge that's in there is only a manufacturing charge, which is enough to keep the cells active.
Also, you shouldn't drain it completely. Lithium works best from around 30%-80% charge.
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What I find strange is why other brands of devices do not have this rule??
Li-ion batteries don't need to be fully charged before first use. They don't suffer from "memory" like Ni-Cd. But it is true that for best life you should charge it between 20/30%- 80%. If you plan on storing the phone without use for a long time, best is to charge it to 50-60% (not 100%) and put it away.
Go use and enjoy your phones!
PS: A few laptop manufacturers (like Samsung) have an "extended battery life" mode that you can enable where the battery stops charging at 80%.
BR4DOKYBrazil said:
What I find strange is why other brands of devices do not have this rule??
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Not all devices may say it, but all should be charged before initial use.
raducanmihai said:
Li-ion batteries don't need to be fully charged before first use. They don't suffer from "memory" like Ni-Cd. But it is true that for best life you should charge it between 20/30%- 80%. If you plan on storing the phone without use for a long time, best is to charge it to 50-60% (not 100%) and put it away.
Go use and enjoy your phones!
PS: A few laptop manufacturers (like Samsung) have an "extended battery life" mode that you can enable where the battery stops charging at 80%.
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You're right, they don't have the memory effect, but they do need charging before use. But yea, storing with at least 2/3rd charge is best.
BTW I sell batteries for a living, have done for 15 years.
Ok so is the correct answer yes, charge for 30mins or not necessary? Seems both sides of argument has support
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Ok so is the correct answer yes, charge for 30mins or not necessary? Seems both sides of argument has support
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As an electrical engineer I have to say: You should charge it before first use. 30 mins charge should be fine.
Well, it might be not so obvious for the battery in Z2, as it was manufactured not a long time ago, but it could end up in battery degradation, if the battery has been stored for a long period of time without usage.
Ok so with the Z2's being manufactured within the last month it probably isn't needed then
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Ok so with the Z2's being manufactured within the last month it probably isn't needed then
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Well, it's hard to say. Precharging the phone won't hurt.
I charged my first z2 for half an hour, and my second one was up and getting flashed within ten mins. I actually found the second one to be better on battery. I do agree that if the phone has been sat dormant for a long while you should charge, but as these things have literally just been made it'll make zero difference.
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