This thread will be more like an advanced user/development "bible", to help keep the threads I am linking to clean, and to put all the information in one place. This information will also be put in the advanced section of the amaze bible doc, and also the WIKI we are working on.. I want to make sure anyone who wants this information has NO problem finding it!
I've seen a lot of people who have been making comments about "wanting to learn" at the same time that I am seeing the developers/contributors in these forums start offering "how-to's" for some of the more advanced functions.. I've also seen some comments from users who have not made any significant/consistent contributions - the secret they may not be aware of, if you can successfully read and understand enough to do the stuff we do in these forums, then YOU can take that to a new level.. and offer something back.
I will update this thread with some of the different threads/tutorials that already exist, and I would like to see people give feedback on the types of information that might be useful.. instead of just propositioning people who already develop, who may be busy with other things - let's crowd source some of our own development, after all, we all started somewhere..
Everything here, and all those how-to threads will be added to the amaze wiki - which will eventually replace the current always up to date amaze bible(doc)(which we need help updating btw, anyone on XDA can help contribute by helping do THAT here). HINT: ANYONE can help contribute to our knowledge base in the wiki! Please do! Before you give negative feedback to any dev, I want you to ask yourself - what have I contributed?
First, the bible I already posted some Advanced Android 101: So you wanna go to the next level?
If maybe building from source isn't your thing, you could look in the Everything Development Thread which has an ongoing discussion about how to COOK(or customize) a rom, a good first step toward conquering bigger and better things.. if you want to give this a go, read that thread, ask good questions, and help us create a solid starting point for future developers!
Next, with the recent release of the source for the ICS kernel, there has been a lot of interest in getting that running - Here you can learn how to Build Your Own Kernel, and then you can easily find posts by several devs working on getting these kernels fully working.. currently the issue is getting WIFI working(which we knew might be an issue), but THIS is something that users can help figure out..
If you can setup the build environment for building your own kernel, then you can ALSO [TUTORIAL]How to compile CM9 for the Amaze 4G - if you can learn how to do this, you will learn the right questions to ask to research how you may contribute to the project..
This post I have posted many useful links to different guides for porting - no one guide is going to be perfect, but if you read them and try them out.. you will learn a TON, and maybe even have a successful port! Remember, porting heavy framework changes like AOSP, sense4, aokp, etc - some of it is kernel dependent and will require more than any guide can spell out.. trial and error my friends.
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Are there any more development/advanced tutorials in the amaze forums I missed? Any in any other forums you have seen that are well written? Any questions you have about something not covered can be asked here, but please post in the relevant thread if your question relates to it! I would really like this thread to be more for feedback about what we can help YOU do, so if you have any suggestions/questions regarding how we can help you do that, please post!
This post will have some of the related but not easily categorized, random information I find in the future..
Man I really want to start but my computer is way to sluggish
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Man I really want to start but my computer is way to sluggish
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Well, compiling is processor intensive, even if the computer is sluggish, a semi-decent processor and a fair amount of ram do all of the work once you finish.. and there is stuff in the bible for customizing themes and more under Advanced Android 101: So you wanna go to the next level? Then there's the Everything Development Thread, that doesn't require a powerful computer at all, you're just switching out files before flashing.. and I am going to start posting some of the stuff I've learned in there soon too!
If you have anything you'd like to see, or anything you might have to offer.. feel free to post it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28647619
Would this help? Found it in One S forum... but idk jack about developing (way to much work for too little result) so idk if it helps
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28647619
Would this help? Found it in One S forum... but idk jack about developing (way to much work for too little result) so idk if it helps
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You mean the video it links to? That is all I got in the xda app.. if the video has anything new it could be added to the everything development thread, they were working on instructions there for using dsixda kitchen..
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I just want to learn to develop rom so that I can contribute to this amazing sight. I asked in the g 2 forums and not once did I ever get any help. Super savvy with computers modding well at least flashing that is haha. But I know with a little guidance I can be a big contribution to the site. So any words of advice would be great and some links to guides will be even more great haha. Thank you so much in advance
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I just want to learn to develop rom so that I can contribute to this amazing sight. I asked in the g 2 forums and not once did I ever get any help. Super savvy with computers modding well at least flashing that is haha. But I know with a little guidance I can be a big contribution to the site. So any words of advice would be great and some links to guides will be even more great haha. Thank you so much in advance
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Well, first, go into different roms, and look at their changelog - see if you can figure out what they are changing - don't just look at the roms in these forums.. look in other forums too. Download a rom, look at the updater-script to see if there is anything there that is making the change in that you saw in the changelog.. look at the files the updater script specifically sets permissions for(if it does), as those files are usually modified, hence why they have to set permisions.. look at the /system/etc folder.
Get a program like winmerge(I think that is what it is), or filemerge for mac, or some other program that will compare files AND directories line by line.. compare a stock rom to a modified rom- as long as it compares directories too, it will output which files the stock rom didn't have, which have been changed, what has been changed- THIS is the easiest way to figure it out for yourself. Piece by piece.
For example, right now I am trying to figure out why the custom kernel here isn't changing my clock speed - if I unpack the zip file, I see he has replaced the init.qcom.post_boot.sh file, and if I compare that with the stock rom, or the energy rom I am using, I see he commented out the lines that change the frequency.. so I look at the updater script, the aroma_config file, and each file tells me what it is doing.. I see the badass.sh file creates a file called 89badass in the init.d folder.. part by part you can figure out exactly what he was doing, how he was making the changes.
There is no real "guide" that is going to help as much as finding a way to figure it out for yourself.. programs like filemerge and winmerge are free and easy to find, and DEFINITELY give you a good place to start. Technically making your own rom is just making changes to a stock rom until you are actually reCODING something - but those changes can be pretty huge and technical, and do awesome things.. you just got to figure out what they are, and how to do them.
Everything above should give you a good place to start..
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Well, first, go into different roms, and look at their changelog - see if you can figure out what they are changing - don't just look at the roms in these forums.. look in other forums too. Download a rom, look at the updater-script to see if there is anything there that is making the change in that you saw in the changelog.. look at the files the updater script specifically sets permissions for(if it does), as those files are usually modified, hence why they have to set permisions.. look at the /system/etc folder.
Get a program like winmerge(I think that is what it is), or filemerge for mac, or some other program that will compare files AND directories line by line.. compare a stock rom to a modified rom- as long as it compares directories too, it will output which files the stock rom didn't have, which have been changed, what has been changed- THIS is the easiest way to figure it out for yourself. Piece by piece.
For example, right now I am trying to figure out why the custom kernel here isn't changing my clock speed - if I unpack the zip file, I see he has replaced the init.qcom.post_boot.sh file, and if I compare that with the stock rom, or the energy rom I am using, I see he commented out the lines that change the frequency.. so I look at the updater script, the aroma_config file, and each file tells me what it is doing.. I see the badass.sh file creates a file called 89badass in the init.d folder.. part by part you can figure out exactly what he was doing, how he was making the changes.
There is no real "guide" that is going to help as much as finding a way to figure it out for yourself.. programs like filemerge and winmerge are free and easy to find, and DEFINITELY give you a good place to start. Technically making your own rom is just making changes to a stock rom until you are actually reCODING something - but those changes can be pretty huge and technical, and do awesome things.. you just got to figure out what they are, and how to do them.
Everything above should give you a good place to start..
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I'm gonna start trying to figure this out before my first android I was totally computer retarded my parents died when I was 14 and I had to quit school and start working so at 32 yrs old now this is pretty tough so thank you for trying to help folks like me learn and keep up with all this new technology. I think I'm starting to get it a little reading goes a long way.
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Man I really want to start but my computer is way to sluggish
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i build kernels on an old laptop with a intel centrino duo, 512mb of ram, and ubuntu 10.04. if yours beats that, you will be fine (takes me 5 mins to build kernels)
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i build kernels on an old laptop with a intel centrino duo, 512mb of ram, and ubuntu 10.04. if yours beats that, you will be fine (takes me 5 mins to build kernels)
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I assume ir runs windows xp?
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I assume ir runs windows xp?
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yup, and it has a sticker that says windows vista capable. WHICH IS A LIE!!!!
i got the laptop for free though. its a compaq presario v3016us. i think some ram was taken out of it before i got it. (im gonna buy 2gb soon)
quick question. How do I check the change log or is there a link to it or so I can use I think that's what I'm asking!
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Hi All,
I have started using X10i a month or so back and so far have been flashing many ROMS and finally settled on CM6 mod by [Cyanogen6.1.3]gingerbread[v01] : by http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=1022236
However now i am moving to the next step which i thing would be to mod my own ROM. however after looking at the whole forum i was not able to find some straight forward startup guide for this.
can anyone help me on this.
It takes years of learning coding... only by creating this thread, you've shown us that your uncapable of doing that.
ohk so i have checked again the whole forum
found : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697938
let me seep that in and then will firein more targetted question .....
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It takes years of learning coding... only by creating this thread, you've shown us that your uncapable of doing that.
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he just need the way .. weather he wil be able to follow the way or not cannot be decided by YOU bro.. dnt be rude... just encourage young developers... And if you dont wish to help them then dnt help (i.e want you have done).. BUT at the same time ATLEAST dont discourage them...
Well, are you interested in modding the ROM in its core,
or applying modifications like themes, framework-res changes and tweaks?
Because if the latter is the case, it's quite easy.
You just open the ROM zip and tweak yourself away!
But if you actually want to build a ROM, then, as it has been already said,
it is not easy.
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Well, are you interested in modding the ROM in its core,
or applying modifications like themes, framework-res changes and tweaks?
Because if the latter is the case, it's quite easy.
You just open the ROM zip and tweak yourself away!
But if you actually want to build a ROM, then, as it has been already said,
it is not easy.
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Yeah ur are 100% correct mate... and this is the way to spread education ... not by the way of getting rude... and 2ndly yeah building rom is not easy but everything shud be tried then only +ive results can be achived..
Thanks for the tip buddy seems like i will start with some tweaks and move forward to custom ROMS as i gain more traction in the whole android world.
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Well, are you interested in modding the ROM in its core,
or applying modifications like themes, framework-res changes and tweaks?
Because if the latter is the case, it's quite easy.
You just open the ROM zip and tweak yourself away!
But if you actually want to build a ROM, then, as it has been already said,
it is not easy.
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It takes years of learning coding... only by creating this thread, you've shown us that your uncapable of doing that.
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wow
and you have shown that you are incapable of spelling. Its called karma. You give an attitude, expect one back. So he wants to learn, there is no need to bash somebody for it.
My first post, was very interested in getting native tethering working on ICS leak UCLD3. I wasn't going to post as I saw the work by Electron73 but then noticed that his mod was 15-16MB's. This is substantially smaller, possibly not as tested, but enables factory mode in TetheringManager.apk
Let me know your thought's CWM flashable, tested only on UCLD3
Wow. Just joined and first post is code. Thanks and welcome to the forum. I think I'll pass for now though.
Been a lurker for sometime, just thought i would contribute. Maybe a write-up is more in order to accompany. But i don't blame ya!
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I was noticing there are 7 views on the attachment, I can understand people being leery of my first post being code, compiled at that.
Please respond if you've tried it, and if not, let me know if I posted a write up of the process of manually editing the TetheringManager.apk file to enable factory mode if you would be interested? and maybe more comfortable with the compiled code itself?
I'm looking to try and start contributing more to the scene, but my initial response thus far has been slightly disheartening.
Granted, i'm not cyanogen or any of the other greats. Just a little fish trying to make some contributions.
Thanks!
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I was noticing there are 7 views on the attachment, I can understand people being leery of my first post being code, compiled at that.
Please respond if you've tried it, and if not, let me know if I posted a write up of the process of manually editing the TetheringManager.apk file to enable factory mode if you would be interested? and maybe more comfortable with the compiled code itself?
I'm looking to try and start contributing more to the scene, but my initial response thus far has been slightly disheartening.
Granted, i'm not cyanogen or any of the other greats. Just a little fish trying to make some contributions.
Thanks!
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I can only assume that ur assumption is correct about people be leary about your first post being code. The only thing that I have to say, is hang in there, or maybe talk to one of our devs and let them look at your code. As you reputation grows so will people trust of your code... Don't let it get you down though people will come around...
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Thanks for your additional posts, Cosmo. I agree with Squish. That is good advise. And please don't let it get you down. Your efforts are appreciated. Thank you for understanding our apprehension to try it out.
So, here's is what I did, so far.
1) Downloaded and scanned the zip file on my PC. No problems.
2) Unzipped and looked at the contents. I am not a dev but I am an IT geek and I see nothing scary about the contained files.
I'm trying a few other things and will be back.
Awesome thanks for taking a second look. Mostly a one line patch albeit i did modify the APN check to match at least what my device has(AT&T PTA). It was however unnecessary.
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Your wifi fix is the best I've seen, yet! Thanks!
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just flash this as well - working excellent!
Just wished we can customize the SSID - i like naming mine Trojan Detected
You can. Just click where it says Portable WIFI Hotspot (next to the on/of switch), then click settings/options.
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Worked great. Thank you
Glad to see it getting some use, once the UCLE2 leak is out for mass consumption, I'll flash and update as to weather this needs to be updated or not. I currently assume not.
I had a quick peek through the APK with apktool and everything looks kosher at first glance. Cosmo, maybe you can post the code diffs you used to patch the app? I replaced TetheringManager.apk on my TELUS SGH-I717 running the Hybrid ROM (based on UCLD3), and so far it seems to be working fine!
I figure instead of posting the diff's posting the SVN link would be better.
Source on Google Code
Hello I'm a newb!
I'm sorry, but this is the unfortunate state I find myself in.
When I first found this site, what I was expecting to find was a ICS for my phone. I could not have guessed what I would learn here. I had no idea I had a counter in my phone to worry about when installing open sourced roms? Next after much more reading I am to learn the source code Google releases is not complete, and uses binary drivers? Now I am to learn about CIQ, and my phone is spying on me? Wow!
Before I say anything else I want to express my thanks to this community. This has been such a resource I had no idea that it would be when I started. Thank you!
Now on to my question that after learning about all of that I don't seem to have a clear answer to. What I wanted when I first considered getting an Android phone, was to build from source, and run my own rom. I still want this, even more so since I learned about CIQ.
1. Due to the counter on my phone
2. I am to understand multiple images that make the phone work (boot, firmware, system)
3. The binary drivers.
Is this at all a reasonable goal?
Are there more flash images that I haven't read about yet?
Would having a direct from Google rom even be desirable?
I own a stock SGH-I777, I have done nothing to it yet.
Lastly about this site:
Is there anything you think I should read about on the forums?
Any language I should know, as in what does hellraiser imply/mean?
Any Android experience you think might benefit a could be developer?
Counter can be reset and avoided all together.
Sorry I don't know much about AOSP building, but your better off starting with compiling CM and learn from there unless you are really experienced in coding.
Speaking of, the image used to not increment the counter does, or does not still contain CIQ? I suspect it does? I would like a phone at some point w/o CIQ, and fully open source. Ty for reminding me.
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Speaking of, the image used to not increment the counter does, or does not still contain CIQ? I suspect it does? I would like a phone at some point w/o CIQ, and fully open source.
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AT&T Galaxy S2 SGH-I777 has never had CIQ.
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AT&T Galaxy S2 SGH-I777 has never had CIQ.
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I'm shocked AT&T choose not to bug their customers? I assumed since I saw mention of it being on Samsung, that it was on all their phones?
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I'm shocked AT&T choose not to bug their customers? I assumed since I saw mention of it being on Samsung, that it was on all their phones?
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No it was just some phones, I think the skyrocket had it at some point.
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Ok, so I rooted my first cell phone. It would seem heimdall latest has a bug that will brick your phone. (I'm on Mac OS Lion) I used the 1.3.1 instead, and it worked fine.
I saw many more sites, and this was quite easy. The way they showed it was very complex. Since I'm new at this should I wait to try out a ICS rom till after Samsung releases their source code, and the devs have had a chance to get it stable? How complete is the open source version of ICS? There was a note on the fsf.org page that linked me over here that some of the parts were still binary. Is it still true?
I think long term I want to get away from the official releases.
Well, you came this far, might as well flash an ICS rom now. If the leaks are any indication of status, the Samsung release will be pretty stable but the included kernel is problematic because it can cause hardbricking. Besides, you want to get away from stock, and all of the big roms released thus far are pretty darn stable; I don't know anything about binary parts or any of the coding, but plenty of people have no problem running CM or AOKP. Even the Samsung-based roms all look AOSP-like nowadays because they use Apex or Nova (not many devs like Touchwiz anymore). So take your pick, they're all good roms and most look like AOSP to some extent, with a few (mainly CM and AOKP) striving for pure AOSP.
Make sure to read and follow this guide carefully for flashing stuff, and have fun!
Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.
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Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.
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Read, read, and read some more. If you don't understand the post above then there is no way you would be able to compile a rom for this phone, which is what I gathered from your op
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Yeh. Just give me the new thing! I want that shiny biscuit! Zomg! "Check MY device out. Its got AOKP on it. BAM.". "Oh cool how does that work?". "Pfft who cares. Its shiny!!!"
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Ok here is where I have a problem. I have no idea about half of what you said? I know AOSP means "Android open source project" by inference of another reply. I even think CWM means "clockwork mod." (don't even know what this is yet) Saw a youtube video that mentioned it.
What is hard bricking, and what should I read to prevent it? I came here for a ICS rom, and it sounds like the two trying to be most open source are my preference.
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Prother, by no mean to offense you, but seriously, if you don't know those fundamental technical terms, I strongly suggest you to hold off what you about to do and spend more time reading.
Let me go off and do a search the post for you, where you can get used to those terms.
Hang tight, prother.
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Read, read, and read some more. If you don't understand the post above then there is no way you would be able to compile a rom for this phone, which is what I gathered from your op
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So I will. To be honest I don't see the connection between the new jargon, and development I learn in school. There is definately much to learn here. I was expecting this to be like Zaurus development from back when I was active, it's very clear to me that this is a very different beast.
Here is one, I'm sure there is other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466228&highlight=abbreviation
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Here is one, I'm sure there is other thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466228&highlight=abbreviation
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Thank you friend. I may not have my own rom at the end of summer, but I should be on my way to understanding what would be needed for one.
Well the terms I wanted are not present on that list, most of that I was familiar with. To be honest, some of it I have not seen before as well. What is hellraiser, and some of the other xda developed jargon? I do have a tab open to that part of the forums, I just hadn't made it over there yet. I started on the forums for my device, then Android OS, and lastly general. Is there any other place I should pay special attention to that would help me?
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Yeh. Just give me the new thing! I want that shiny biscuit! Zomg! "Check MY device out. Its got AOKP on it. BAM.". "Oh cool how does that work?". "Pfft who cares. Its shiny!!!"
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Ok? I'm not sure I understand, is there something you don't like about the aokp rom that doesn't work very well?
I want off of the carrier provided images based on personal conviction. Google's development practices smack of cathedral, as do all of the 3rd party companies. In a sense they are abusing the spirit of free software by using a signed kernel to impede (if not actually prevent) our right to modify hardware we own. Any normal user of the software provided by the community (bazaar) can only help the cause.
I plan to share what I personally learn with close friends who live in my area. The more people we liberate, the better for everyone else. I simply applaud the work done here.
You can safely ignore Phalanx's post, he's just mocking you and other new users for not reading carefully and being stupid. You're at least trying to read and understand stuff, so I don't see any reason you should be put down the way he's doing so.
Here are a couple other links I think you'll find useful (please click my thanks button if you agree!):
ROM vs Kernel
Odex vs Deodex
Make sure to read all of the links posted in the sticky at the top of this forum, too. But note that by no means is this everything you need to read.
Mind you, all this reading is meant mostly for end-users, so that we learn how to safely and smartly modify our phones. Actual original developing beyond using what's already provided by the devs is a whole different story, and I'm sure there's even more to read up on that.
Good luck, happy flashing, and if you plan to develop later down the line, good luck with that too!
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You can safely ignore Phalanx's post, he's just mocking you and other new users for not reading carefully and being stupid. You're at least trying to read and understand stuff, so I don't see any reason you should be put down the way he's doing so.
Here are a couple other links I think you'll find useful (please click my thanks button if you agree!):
ROM vs Kernel
Odex vs Deodex
Make sure to read all of the links posted in the sticky at the top of this forum, too. But note that by no means is this everything you need to read.
Mind you, all this reading is meant mostly for end-users, so that we learn how to safely and smartly modify our phones. Actual original developing beyond using what's already provided by the devs is a whole different story, and I'm sure there's even more to read up on that.
Good luck, happy flashing, and if you plan to develop later down the line, good luck with that too!
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Ty for all your help. I'm glad you're all so thorough, it was like peeling an onion. The more I was looking at rooting my phone, the more there was to learn. All of you have done an amazing job making this approachable to a brand new user.
Ah I don't assume anymore about what people are trying to say, not everyone is a native english speaker. So I try to be understanding.
Yup I'll be at this for a while, I'm happy to have made some introductions, and maybe some time down the road I can even hope to contribute in some small way.
From a relative noob:
Follow the directions in the " [GUIDE] How to Flash Custom Binaries Without Ever Incrementing the Flash Counter!! " thread. Then pick a rom you want to try and follow the CWM directions ... after that , find a ROM you like. If you don't want to void your warranty, wait for your carrier to provide the closest thing to what you want ... but, I'm happy with my flashed ICS ROM.
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Ty for all your help. I'm glad you're all so thorough, it was like peeling an onion. The more I was looking at rooting my phone, the more there was to learn. All of you have done an amazing job making this approachable to a brand new user.
Ah I don't assume anymore about what people are trying to say, not everyone is a native english speaker. So I try to be understanding.
Yup I'll be at this for a while, I'm happy to have made some introductions, and maybe some time down the road I can even hope to contribute in some small way.
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Just like everyone else has said. Read read read. Search for answers for your questions before you ask on forums. U will be fine as long as u can read and follow simple directions. Good luck to u. If u haven't flashed a rom yet I would recommend aokp. Awesome rom.
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Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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None of my work counts as development so copypasta porting doesn't count. If it does, then what I did with the deblur/debloat script should count as a universal ROM for moto android devices.
I've heard people complain about copy and paste devs for a long time. Had alot of drama over it when I had the epic. Bottom line is it still takes know how. You have to know what and where to copy. And it still takes a lot of time. And some of the best roms I've used were from so called copy and paste devs. As long as they give credit to where it came from. Most devs learn from looking at what someone else has done anyway. Bottom line the more roms and devs the better. I appreciate your work here, but I see nothing good coming from a thread like this. No affense.My 2 cents.
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now I'm in no way crying but,.....what's the deal bud.....we do alot more than copy paste my friend every rom I do gets smali edits, I have to decompile/recompile several jars in different builds **** in gummy I have to edit the entire framework.jar just to get market working.....is it built from source, no, do I work hard on it without a doubt yes, i can't understand why you needed to open a thread to try to debunk my work..... reason I say my work .... I worked on miui, bill does it now, and does a pretty damn good job of it too..and you think its only copy paste getting miui working.....lol....that one is a beast of its own...takes several several changes to get our to just freaking boot.....I'm working on 4 ics based on the photon and 4 for the atrix.......and for both phones requires several edits ..... i mean seriously all we're doing is allowing more choices more options more roms..... I think you have a very wrong idea of what actually is done on these roms.....**** if it were only as easy as copy paste ....don't ya think we'd have had more of these roms sooner and made by different people, only reason miui got here is yepitsme gave up I picked up slack and took of with it then handed her off to bill.....so again I say whats the deal bud....should be happy our aging phone is seeing so much activity....now I do apologize if I have went out of line here but I couldn't help but feel a, little attacked here directly....and by two of the guys I freaking looked up to on here....all I can say is wow I guess I should just close my threads then since porting doesn't count..... and to say don't cry and tell you it took hours cause there are guides............who made the thread in the first place and the purpose of it is?? I'm in no way crying but not going to be called out like this and not respond, which your a very smart guy so I know that you knew exactly what would happen in opening a thread like this....sometimes it does take hours copy/paste you have no clue.....every new cm9 joker puts out we have to flash each lib one at a time to se e which one isn't playing nice,.but thats just copy pasting isn't it, edits to the build prop, updater script.....smali edits to numerous files, jars,apks....but thats just copy paste too I guess.....or maybe its how at times we flash each rom several times and troubleshoot each issue everyone has not just release and say nothing....but thats just pasting too....you really have no clue maybe should read a couple of those guides you are reffering to cause even in them they tell you this isn't all you have to do...**** some of them even say I can only point to what might work not that this guide works for every phone no matter what...
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I see points for either side of the coin but a discussion like this will not be good for the Photon forum. To have developers/contributors against themselves is exactly what has happened in other threads and it never ends up a positive for anyone. I feel there is a place for all kinds of work as long as no work is being stolen and credit is being given. It allows for more options and benefits us all. We could all debate this further but I think we know where this would be heading.
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Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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RockoDev said:
Just a few questions I have for you guys over the last couple months I've seen alot of Miui threads openend and ICS opened?
Are you really considered a developer if you just switch a few files from a rom that a actual developer build from source and made it boot on our phone?
Reason I ask because I've talked to a few developers and they tell me that it sucks how porting a miui, ICS rom has become so easy when it took them hours to build from source?
Just want get your guys insight
Not taking shots at no one so don't start crying about it and tell me it took you hours when there are threads everywhere on how to port these.
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Let me set the record straight:
FIRST AND FOREMOST: I DO NOT CLAIM TO BE A DEVELOPER.
SECOND: MIUI is NOT just cut and paste. If I had SOURCE for it, I would BUILD it SOURCE. As MIUI has NOT released it, I CANNOT do that. I DO PORT it, and I label it as such. But, to act like all I do is cut and paste, you're way off base.
1) I have to edit the framework files just to get it to fully boot with service/data, and the options that the users of my build have grown accustomed to. I have to test libs each time that Joker releases a new CM9, as not all are compatible.
2) I have to test libs with each MIUI release, as they often build with ARM7b, which is NOT compatible with our beloved Tegra 2 processor.
3) I then make 2 versions (Aroma based and CWM flash).
4) I credit everyone whose work I used to do what I do. That being said, if I port something, you're darn right I should get credit for the work I do.
5) The reson SO MANY (2) MIUI threads have popped up is that Spleef initially started the ports. At a point in late March, I took over doing the ports and he took to other roms. I have been asked recently by MIUI.us to start a separate thread so that I can keep the OP up to date and standardize it to the format that they wanted.
Now, on to my other CONTRIBUTIONS:
1) Fixes thread-yes, may be slightly out of date, but it's helped a LOT of people
2) How-tos thread-sure...I need to add more to it and plan to when I get the time.
3) Anyone here like Kitchen Sink? I ask as Joker and I have spent HOURS working together on that rom getting it to where it is. Not to mention if you use version 2.11, then you're using something I assembled, as it was done while Joker was on away on Vacation.
4) I am usually found on ALL the Photon/Atrix threads helping people with their issues ranging from flashing issues to data issues, etc.
5) Check out how many ROMs I've helped on.
Another thing, I don't have the title Developer...and didn't apply for it. I am a Contributor. I CAREFULLY examined the criteria for each and decided that I would apply for being a Contributor as I DON'T at this time do SOURCE work.
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
I would personally LOVE to have the opportunity to talk to ANY of the DEVS you cite as having an issue with the fact that I port MIUI.
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So I can learn?.... Ok. I really do wanna learn but I think they def need to give credit to the originals. But if they don't like something of one ROM and decide they wanna change it and then let others take it for a spin, whose to stop em?
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your absolutely right anyone can do this it just takes some patience and a little knowledge....we give credit, thanks, and links to every rom we port over..... I'm guilty of forgetting things in roms. I know I am, sometimes things get forgotten or ill use the wrong damn file...lol.....I'm not taking shots or trying to start no crap but I woke up this morning to this thread and couldn't believe what I was reading.... I mean hell rocko rom was jokers originally and look at it now, we all start some where, true I don't do source right now.......but thats not to say I never will I've had joker trying to teach me for a while now but we live our lives so time is short
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shabbypenguin said:
Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
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Not sure who did that...we had an issue with SU in MIUI on one build due to incompatibility with MIUI and the 0.6.whatever SU xbin
Th3Bill; said:
Funny how someone who isn't doing source either would put "dev" in their name when they don't seem to have a single source-built item to their credit, then have a problem with what I do.
Funny that I count there are 3 Rocko-rom variants 2.3.5 posted. See me starting a thread to ask why you have so many Blur based roms?
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I'm not trying to pick any sides in this because I like both of your work, but damn he got you.
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shabbypenguin said:
......reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P )........
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Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
I think, this thread is something, that shouldn't be here. It's all about choices. I don't like the ROMs of all devs here, so I made my own. But I am still glad they are here. And I appreciate their work.
Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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bricky23 said:
Think I saw in the new evo thread that Rocko is heading there. Maybe triing to stir the pot before he leaves? Personaly I would like to see this thread closed.
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AMEN!
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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willysp said:
Why in the world are you taking a shot at me in this thread?
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lol was just poking fun at ya man hence the
jokersax11 said:
A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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Can I get an AMEN
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shabbypenguin said:
Are you really considered a developer is you forget sh and root in a rom?
remember, we arent taking shots.. just wanna know how it took hours and yet forget stuff like that. dont be willing to start a fire if you cant handle the heat.
bottom line is this as far as im concerned, i could give two craps less about miui, or any of the other cm clones. however i think (most of them) they bring something to the table. and give people choices, if the users really thought it was crap they wouldnt use it..
after working with so many prepaid devices and telling the users that if they want stuff done for roms/kernels then they need to find a dev to get the phone, or one of them needs to step up. so to see more and more people on the photon jump up to help is really nice and reminds me of why i loved this community so much (yes even you willysp ;P ).
if someone isnt making the roms then youd have threads of people complaining cuz they wanted them, so more people are happy in the end because they are made as well as offering choices.
i could go into more but as it is this thread is gunna turn enough into a blood bath so ill try to at least keep my part in it as civil as possible
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No!!!!! I am not have never claimed to be.....
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To those that may be offended by my position let me clarify. I was on the Evo for the first price drop. A ton of ROMs suddenly appeared that were no more than a font or color change by folks claiming to be devs. To me, simple edits like that are not development or ROMs. I've seen the same with themes, swap a font and call yourself a dev. There are script releases by "devs" that all that was done was change the device name or partition location. To me none of that stuff counts as honest development.
Another example is ROMs from the JoyOS port guides. Copypasta and a couple build.prop edits and look you have JoyOS. That in itself is not development to me. Now if you have to go through and do framework/smali edits to get it to work, that's a whole different story. That requires know how, skill and time.
spleef, Th3Bill and others, I'm sorry if you took my previous post personally. I consider you guys a dev and your work is well beyond anything I have released. Digging around in the code to get things to work is not easy. There are many with contributor titles really should read developer. (again, in thinking about it I really am not one of them). I was also speaking about android as a whole and not specifically the photon forum.
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A developer is anyone who developed something for Android. Themes, roms, hacks, root methods, modifications, even scripts. Just because someone doesn't build from source doesn't mean they don't bring something to the community.
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I can't speak for others but I agree with you on this only to a point. It goes back to the first paragraph in this post. To me, a font change or other very minor changes isn't development. I'm speaking in general however. When it comes to the Photon specifically, there's a lot of actual deving being done and folks that are very deserving of dev status (again, I am not placing myself in that category).
To All,
A lot of crap has happened to me personally over the past couple months. My attitude is lousy at best and I think it time I walk away for awhile. If I have offended I am sorry. Feel free to grab any of my work and run with it. I also have the following unfinished projects up for grabs;
2.3.5 sudo-Blur ROM with root ODEXed and De-ODEXed built straight from the 2.3.5 leak. (USB is intermittent but not sure if its the phone or the ROM)
webtop+ 2.3.5 leak (missing apps)
Copypasta JoyOS port (never connects to service)
I've been slowly working on a Windows tool for porting ROMS, mainly for my own entertainment. So far I'm to the point where it will successfully copy and merge all the applicable framework,lib, etc. files to/from a base and ported ROM and change some various settings automatically (like build and setup files). I was thinking about adding a directory structure and file compare tool into it to help debug issues. I'm not sure how many people here use Windows to port ROMS but I know the fragmented sloppy nature of open source development can drive people nuts so I thought something like this may help. Is this something anybody would be interested in?
This would be an amazing thing to have!
I would love to use it, maybe we could get some sensation Roms over here
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I'm sure this weekend I can find some time to put something together (at least part of it). I think the only thing I have left to do for the "basic" functionality is get it to change the updater script and some other random files. After the ROM is ported I could have it autmatically send an email to HTC Dev telling them how much they suck.
Wow this be nice! Does this man darknightmare will finally be able to port Sony's Xperia ROMS lol jk look forward to this tool man
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mwalker2k10 said:
I'm sure this weekend I can find some time to put something together (at least part of it). I think the only thing I have left to do for the "basic" functionality is get it to change the updater script and some other random files. After the ROM is ported I could have it autmatically send an email to HTC Dev telling them how much they suck.
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Lol thats the spirit
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mwalker2k10 said:
I'm sure this weekend I can find some time to put something together (at least part of it). I think the only thing I have left to do for the "basic" functionality is get it to change the updater script and some other random files. After the ROM is ported I could have it autmatically send an email to HTC Dev telling them how much they suck.
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Would this basic program just be doing the "copy from base to port" type of stuff that tutorials basically cover, or would this decompile/recompile specific parts of things like framework and whatnot? If just the former it would be a useful time saver, but you may want to add a ddisclaimer that the program by itself won't always put out a working port.
It is unfortunate that our amaze is such a pain to port to..
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Silentbtdeadly said:
Would this basic program just be doing the "copy from base to port" type of stuff that tutorials basically cover, or would this decompile/recompile specific parts of things like framework and whatnot? If just the former it would be a useful time saver, but you may want to add a ddisclaimer that the program by itself won't always put out a working port.
It is unfortunate that our amaze is such a pain to port to..
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For starters probably just automate a lot of the tedious copy/replace operations that are needed and a file/directory compare tool geared toward android, find/replace in files, etc. but I see no reason why it couldn't decompile and recompile .jars and .apks...or pretty much anything. I've been a programmer for years but I'm new to android so I'm still putzing around the internet looking for various info.
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For starters probably just automate a lot of the tedious copy/replace operations that are needed and a file/directory compare tool geared toward android, find/replace in files, etc. but I see no reason why it couldn't decompile and recompile .jars and .apks...or pretty much anything. I've been a programmer for years but I'm new to android so I'm still putzing around the internet looking for various info.
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Give it a go, one reason I don't like porting is all the tedious work
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