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Hey all,
a quick question, after reading through the forum there seems to be 2 Razrs out (excluding the customs one released in China MT917 and XT928)
One is the CDMA/LTE version and the other GSM/HSDPA version.
I read this article and it says the RAZR is a world phone, containing a combined radio capable of CMDA and GSM...
So is there any roms out there thats able get the razr to work with both? or am I just reading the article wrong?
Am I dealing with a $650 paper weight?
I Live in the Phlippines. When I first started researching the specs on this phone it list CDMA/LTE and GSM with 4 bands... I assumed it would work over here. I purchased the XT912 model directly from Motorola with no plan and had it shipped directly to the Philippines. (My Bad)
Once in my hands I naturally popped in my micro-sim and turned it on. The only thing I got was that it didn't recognize the sim and my options were "Power Off" or "Emergency Dial". Not a happy camper to say the least... I now have a $650 brick!
I have since been able to get into the main menu of the phone but of course it still doesn't recognize my GSM sim. Most likely because of the fact that it has a CDMA/LTE baseband loaded which I assume has no GSM support. Hence the reason it does not recognize the sim or receive any GSM/HSDPA signal.
My question is this: How do I flash/load a new GSM/HSDPA baseband that will enable the radio and make this phone useful to me?
I'm a total noob when it comes to Android so please be patient with my ignorance... Especially if this is simply never going to work out. Should I keep the phone on the hopes that a developer will crack this nut or sell it on E-Bay and walk away... Thanks!
My apologies for adding insult to injury but it looks like you didn't research enough...
Yes, the XT912 has the hardware for GSM but it was disabled by Verizon since it only needed the LTE hardware. This was noted in the FCC docs that were leaked.
The GSM hardware can be activated in theory but there's a lot more to it than a simple flash.
So unfortunately, you have a paperweight in your hands...
pacafrat said:
I Live in the Phlippines. When I first started researching the specs on this phone it list CDMA/LTE and GSM with 4 bands... I assumed it would work over here. I purchased the XT912 model directly from Motorola with no plan and had it shipped directly to the Philippines. (My Bad)
Once in my hands I naturally popped in my micro-sim and turned it on. The only thing I got was that it didn't recognize the sim and my options were "Power Off" or "Emergency Dial". Not a happy camper to say the least... I now have a $650 brick!
I have since been able to get into the main menu of the phone but of course it still doesn't recognize my GSM sim. Most likely because of the fact that it has a CDMA/LTE baseband loaded which I assume has no GSM support. Hence the reason it does not recognize the sim or receive any GSM/HSDPA signal.
My question is this: How do I flash/load a new GSM/HSDPA baseband that will enable the radio and make this phone useful to me?
I'm a total noob when it comes to Android so please be patient with my ignorance... Especially if this is simply never going to work out. Should I keep the phone on the hopes that a developer will crack this nut or sell it on E-Bay and walk away... Thanks!
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I frequently travel to Europe, and it is frustrating to learn that Verizon has crippled the phone. It is bad enough that they don't allow me to pay for a plan while I am in Europe (and those plans are generally rip-offs) but to make me have to bring an entirely different phone when the Razr is capable is borderline absurd IMO.
I realize they want to keep it carrier specific... but I used to be a Sprint customer, and had a "world phone" which was unlocked for world GSM but locked for US GSM. This was fair and worked great for when I traveled.
Son of a! Do you mean to tell me that this phone could have been a world phone, but Verizon chose to disable this feature? That's retarded. I knew that it was CDMA/LTE-only when I bought it, but this phone would be nearly perfect if all the radios were enabled.
I read the Droid 4 will be the first LTE phone with GSM capabilities on Verizon, but could the GSM portion be disabled like it is on the Razr?
Ok thanks for the feedback everyone, so it seems the Razr has the hardware to be a world phone, but its just the software that isnt capable.
So if it has an unlocked bootloader, it might be possible to flash radios that support all basebands...correct?
pacafrat, sell me your razr I am in China
I've got a GT-I9000M right now and I've pre-ordered up the inter version. How do I know I'm not just wasting money?
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Unlocked GSM devices will work on any carrier that uses a SIM card.. i.e. T-Mobile, AT&T, etc. CDMA are the devices without SIM cards like Verizon and Sprint.
You just have to be aware of which carrier and what they use.
(I think I got that right ) maybe someone else can chime in..
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T-Mobile
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Careful, it'll work but most models are missing the 1700 band for HSPA+.
OP: Make sure it's GSM, then compare the bands.
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Careful, it'll work but most models are missing the 1700 band for HSPA+.
OP: Make sure it's GSM, then compare the bands.
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good point.. thank you
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It's 850Mhz as far as I know.
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Funny, you should ask; I was wondering about the same thing just yesterday:
What I learned, as far as T-Mobile (US) is concerned: it will work - if using a Tmo or AT&T SIM card - but only at 2G speeds, for now (probably until 2013).
That's my finding, and also the opinion of some other fine forum folks here.
Just wish it was wrong...
Well, according to the specs compared between my current I9000 and the SGS3, they have the same bands across the board. So I SHOULD be okay.
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Well, according to the specs compared between my current I9000 and the SGS3, they have the same bands across the board. So I SHOULD be okay.
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That would be awesome...if you were right!
What are your download speeds, and where do you live, bro?
4.5-5mbps down. 3mbps up.
I'm in Saskatchewan on Sasktel. It's a 3G/4G network that most devices on it are 850 and 1900 compatible.
Sasktel has boasted LTE in the fall, but only in the main cities, Regina and Saskatoon. Doesn't really affect me because in the city, at work or at home or friends/family, I'm on wifi.
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Thanks, man!
So there is hope that it actually may work OK... hmm.
Guess I'll wait some more, and until more folks chime in, as I would not want to gamble $800 (US ) on it... not yet.
Would sure love to buy an International/Unlocked S3 and run it on a prepaid T-Mobile SIM, but that may just not work the same way here in the US of A...
Well, expansys offers up to 15 days to return the device. So I'll know within the first day or so of receiving it if it's going to work or not. I'll have to go buy a MICRO SIM for it or not.
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Well, expansys offers up to 15 days to return the device. So I'll know within the first day or so of receiving it if it's going to work or not. I'll have to go buy a MICRO SIM for it or not.
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Dang...You're right! I totally forgot about that option
I9300, here I come
Thanks, MaesterB!
International version for AT&T
I have a question, I am new to GSM as I have been with Sprint for the past 13 years but just switched to AT&T for the purpose of being able to easily swap phones and use international versions. I got the HTC One X but I have to say that it is not "doing it" for me. I am used to the GS1 and then the GS2 and my plan WAS to get the GS3. I don't want to wait until AT&T gets the phone, plus its my understanding that the US versions are dual-core vs the quad.
With that in mind, I was thinking I could easily take my HTC which is only a day old and sell it on Ebay for 2-3 times what I paid for it, and use that money to get an international GS3. Before I do that though I have a few questions about using international versions.
1) With international phones (GS3 or any other model), would I still be able to use my AT&T apps such as Uverse Live TV, myAT&T, FamilyMap?
2) I realize that as long as the version of phone I get has the 850 and 1900Mhz bands, it will be compatible with AT&T for voice and 2G. What I want to know is would I be able to use AT&T's LTE or at the minimum the fake 4G (HSPA+). I don't want to spend $800 on a phone that is stuck on 3G.
3) Obviously I would not get OTA updates from AT&T but I assume that even without rooting I could go somewhere else (perhaps XDA) to get regular firmware updates?
4) Last, for those of you that have alot of exp buying swapping international phones, would you say that if for instance, I would not be able to use the phones LTE on AT&T, and that I was stuck on 3G, if I went ahead and purchased the phone anyway with the intent of using it until the AT&T version comes out, do you think at that time I would still get most of my purchase price back from the re-sale of the international version to use that to buy the AT&T one?
Thank You very much for your help.
I may not be "The Capacity" on the subject, but I have been tinkering with my phones over the last years, I do have some "smartphone cred" and also learned a lot myself on XDA (on the same subject) this weekend...
Let's see if other folks can confirm my answers:
1. According to my information, the US version of the S3 will indeed come with a dual S4 (Krait), compared to the International Exynos quad core CPU. Reason: the S4 can handle LTE, the quad core Exynos not yet;
2. If you buy a (prepaid) SIM card/plan from a 3rd party provider, or from AT&T or T-mo directly, you will be able to use the network you decide to go with. Since only Tmo and ATT have GSM networks, you can only use these with the International S3 and SIM card (Micro-SIM, that is). However, I am pretty sure you won't have a problem using network-specific apps either... since you are using the network/carrier already;
3. As far as the network speed (LTE <> 2G <> 3G) is concerned, I have heard different opinions. T-mo specifically states that you need the 1700MHz band, which the International S3 does not cover. However, they - and I believe also ATT - offer 3G on the 1900 MHz band, which the Inter S3 does pick up.
I have had a good exchange with a nice guy from Canada earlier today (look for MaesterB, the OP of this thread...), and he confirmed that his I9000 does pick up 3G speeds/5Mbps (in Canada). Since the I9000 covers the same bands as the I9300 (S3), I am convinced that it's gonna work to get 3G speeds.
I doubt that it's going to be HSPA+ anytime soon, but you'll definitely won't get LTE - as that depend on the 1700MHz spectrum, I think.
T-Mobile, however, is upgrading their network, and we are supposed to get HSPA+ on the 1900MHz band by the end of the year/next year here in the US... (??);
4. Don't know about the OTA updates... but who cares? You've gotta root your phone anyway to get the most from it. At least, that's my stance. And if you do root, you might as well get the OTAs from the XDA community. Who cares about 'straight-from-the-carrier' updates anyway..?
5. I'm not so sure if you're right with your resale philosophy, especially on 'getting most of your money back'. I wouldn't bank on it. Usually, and once the phone is on the market for some time, the level of desirability tanks, and so does the resale value...
6. Now that I have wised up some over the weekend myself, I'm going to get an unlocked S3, together with a prepaid SIM (probably from 'Straight Talk', 'Simple Mobile', or even directly from T-mo [the latter only with 2-yr contract... yuck!]). If I find out that I cannot get decent 3G speeds (area of 5 Mbps/down) on the phone already the same day I get it, I will return it - and the SIM card - right away and get my money back
Let's see what others can add to this...
cott789 said:
I have a question, I am new to GSM as I have been with Sprint for the past 13 years but just switched to AT&T for the purpose of being able to easily swap phones and use international versions. I got the HTC One X but I have to say that it is not "doing it" for me. I am used to the GS1 and then the GS2 and my plan WAS to get the GS3. I don't want to wait until AT&T gets the phone, plus its my understanding that the US versions are dual-core vs the quad.
With that in mind, I was thinking I could easily take my HTC which is only a day old and sell it on Ebay for 2-3 times what I paid for it, and use that money to get an international GS3. Before I do that though I have a few questions about using international versions.
1) With international phones (GS3 or any other model), would I still be able to use my AT&T apps such as Uverse Live TV, myAT&T, FamilyMap?
2) I realize that as long as the version of phone I get has the 850 and 1900Mhz bands, it will be compatible with AT&T for voice and 2G. What I want to know is would I be able to use AT&T's LTE or at the minimum the fake 4G (HSPA+). I don't want to spend $800 on a phone that is stuck on 3G.
3) Obviously I would not get OTA updates from AT&T but I assume that even without rooting I could go somewhere else (perhaps XDA) to get regular firmware updates?
4) Last, for those of you that have alot of exp buying swapping international phones, would you say that if for instance, I would not be able to use the phones LTE on AT&T, and that I was stuck on 3G, if I went ahead and purchased the phone anyway with the intent of using it until the AT&T version comes out, do you think at that time I would still get most of my purchase price back from the re-sale of the international version to use that to buy the AT&T one?
Thank You very much for your help.
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There is no possible way you will be able to "sell your one x for 2 or 3 times what you paid for it". You will NOT get LTE on the international version. HSPA+ is 3G and it will get that on AT&T, so yes you will be stuck on 3G. You will still get OTA updates on the phone regardless of what carrier you use it on. Depending on how long you wait you probably won't get most of your purchase price for the phone. If AT&T waits until August to release it you will probably get $100 less at least. Six months later the Galaxy nexus is $350 cheaper, and the One X already only fetches about $500-550.
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Sweet.
I was just doing some snooping on my providers website.
EVERYTHING they're doing is in the 850 and 1900 bands. Even the "4G", which still isn't anything to write home about.
Now, as long as I don't suffer from my modem problems that I had after I flashed my SGS the first time (ie. lose carrier once I'm out of my home zone) I'm REALLY set.
(pre-)Ordered my S3 yesterday...
Yeah! Can't wait for the baby to arrive next week!
Also got me a prepaid SIM (AT&T) with Straight Talk, and - just in case - a SIM cutter. Looks like I'm ready to roll!
Let's see how this all shakes out... but it better be good!
I read in another thread here on XDA ("Samsung Galaxy S III... No LTE for $800?!") that the phone will "perform sexual favors and make a sandwich afterward." -- Awesome!!!
Unbelievable, how Samsung pulls these things off again and again and again... LOL
Well, I had to double-check to make sure I asked for 1-3 day shipping on mine. Still waiting for a reply back!
Even if Expansys gets it next week, I won't be seeing it until the week of June 4th OR later.
And it's being shipped to the office where I work. Double-bonus. So as soon I get it, my lunch break will be go down to the kiosk of my provider, pay $10 for the microsim, get it programmed, and voila...done and done.
OK I have looked and looked but to no avail. Can someone just give me a straight answer. Will the i717 work with a T-Mobile SIM? t-mobile finally works in my area and decided to go with them, on their $30 a month plan. Which is 100 min( I don't talk much) and unlimited text and data ( data up to 5GB first 2 4G, 3G then on also they give you SIM or $.99 if you order their web site Another reason I went with them, cause I can use any unlocked GSM phone on their network. I never had much of a choice when it came to cell service since I live up in the mountains of East Tennessee. Only Verizon and Sprint Picked up at my house. You'd have to go 4 miles down the road to pick any GSM carrier. So any ways I just got a sweet deal on an i717 on eBay for $238 in great condition with some accessories. I read around that the Radio's and can be changed to accommodate T-Mobile's service? I have rooted devices before and know that's not a problem to put a custom ROM it so as to have the right radio. But Need advice on what to do and where to start. Anyone's help and I will forever be indebted to you. I apologize if This has been answered else where ....I just couldn't find it.
Yes this note will run on t-mobile network. Nice plan!
1. Flash CWM kernel.
2. Flash rooted kernel.
3. Flash Blaze modem.
4. Input APN settings.
Everything you need is here on Bigjoe's Super Everything page:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=28040353
Just follow the above sequence to get to your goal. Flash the fancy roms after you get your rig working.
And hit the thanks button for Bigjoe and the other threads you will visit.
A buddy of mine is wanting to do the same thing only he wants the N7000 instead of the i717. I know that the N7000 in the international Version but could you do the same with what yo explained to me with the i717?
Send a PM to Bigjoe. He is a contributor to the international version as well, so he will guide your friend.
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A buddy of mine is wanting to do the same thing only he wants the N7000 instead of the i717. I know that the N7000 in the international Version but could you do the same with what yo explained to me with the i717?
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The international version doesn't support the bands and features a different chipset altogether. I wouldn't recommend getting it for T-Mobile, you'll probably be stuck on EDGE data forever.
Tmobile wont work on Note-7000
Brought a international note on Ebay, used with Tmobile in San Francisco area.
Getting only edge speeds.
I'd like to replace my Droid X2 with the Razr MAXX, I see this is one of my options on verizon for a "world" phone.
I never expected my career to literally and figuratively "take off" as it has, and now I really need to adapt.
I want to be able to just use prepaid SIM cards when I'm in europe, but being the nerd/geek/technomancer I am (depending on who you talk to)
I just want to be sure that I can still screw with this thing without inhibiting my ability to use DATA and VOICE overseas on a GSM network.
I see that these roms are GSM/CDMA specfic, and if I switch to a GSM network, do I also have to switch to a GSM rom?
and yes, I will void this fukker's warranty the day I bring it home, I can't remember the last computer/tablet/phone that I haven't done that to.
I REALLY like my Droid X2 with the extended battery + CM7, It has been without a doubt the single most reliable phone I've ever owned. (so many people complain about it, but I think they just suck at technology) There isn't a single thing (aside from flashing a new kernel) that I haven't been able to do with/to it. Right now, my biggest dislike about it is the cracked digitizer (it fell out of my pocket onto a concrete slab approx 50ft below me, and all it did was crack the digitizer, thing still works FLAWLESSLY) so I'm pretty sold on motorola despite all the hate.
so are there any globetrotting verizon customers out there that have experience with this or am I going to have to just go out on a limb and do it? if worse comes to worse, I'll just buy a galaxy note and use that in the EU when I'm here, and use my razr maxx when I'm not.
I always have been and forever will be a fan of anything motorola that has the ability to Tx/Rx... they do radios right!
I think that you can't change CDMA to GSM, both are different technologies, that's why there are specifically ROMS for CDMA and GSM.
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Cheapxj said:
I'd like to replace my Droid X2 with the Razr MAXX, I see this is one of my options on verizon for a "world" phone.
I never expected my career to literally and figuratively "take off" as it has, and now I really need to adapt.
I want to be able to just use prepaid SIM cards when I'm in europe, but being the nerd/geek/technomancer I am (depending on who you talk to)
I just want to be sure that I can still screw with this thing without inhibiting my ability to use DATA and VOICE overseas on a GSM network.
I see that these roms are GSM/CDMA specfic, and if I switch to a GSM network, do I also have to switch to a GSM rom?
and yes, I will void this fukker's warranty the day I bring it home, I can't remember the last computer/tablet/phone that I haven't done that to.
I REALLY like my Droid X2 with the extended battery + CM7, It has been without a doubt the single most reliable phone I've ever owned. (so many people complain about it, but I think they just suck at technology) There isn't a single thing (aside from flashing a new kernel) that I haven't been able to do with/to it. Right now, my biggest dislike about it is the cracked digitizer (it fell out of my pocket onto a concrete slab approx 50ft below me, and all it did was crack the digitizer, thing still works FLAWLESSLY) so I'm pretty sold on motorola despite all the hate.
so are there any globetrotting verizon customers out there that have experience with this or am I going to have to just go out on a limb and do it? if worse comes to worse, I'll just buy a galaxy note and use that in the EU when I'm here, and use my razr maxx when I'm not.
I always have been and forever will be a fan of anything motorola that has the ability to Tx/Rx... they do radios right!
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I think that you can't change CDMA to GSM, both are different technologies, that's why there are specifically ROMS for CDMA and GSM.
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i believe lots of over seas people would buy the verizon maxx and use it via gsm because the gsm maxx took a long time to be released.
so data should work fine (and voice to) just no US gsm carriers.
and Dany.zam
both versions have the same radio, it supports cdma and gsm, gsm is just blocked on the verizon one (for us use), and i believe cdma is blocked or not given an esn number for the gsm one.
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both versions have the same radio, it supports cdma and gsm, gsm is just blocked on the verizon one (for us use), and i believe cdma is blocked or not given an esn number for the gsm one.
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I don't think the GSM one has a CDMA radio at all, as it would be pointless in markets where its sold.
well, I can always SBF it if it comes down to it, or just have two phones. I like the galaxy note better anyway in terms of hardware/features (I like having a stylus, keeps fingerprints off the screen surface and is good for some of the dirty nasty sweatiness that work gets me into)
Ok, I'll be back in the states in less than a week, Gotta buy a new phone anyway (was using my Droid X2 as a camera and I broke it, dropped it off the top of a fully extended genie lift onto the concrete below) so.
I see there's "2nd system" support using the webtop partition, so I can keep a "daily driver" rom and have another one to experiment with correct?
anyone know of roms that work well on BOTH CDMA and GSM after the radiocomm hacks?
I will be buying this thing full retail from a verizon store.
I give zero fukks if it works on ATT or any US GSM carrier, I only need GSM for european travel.
can I use prepaid sims in europe or should I "rent-a-sim" from one of those sim rental outfits?
if anyone has any real world experience with flashing/hacking this phone and globetrotting, POST UP!
it must work for in-country voice calling, and be able to provide wifi tethering everywhere I have signal.
I will be mostly in germany, the netherlands, france, great britain and spain outside the US. (in order of frequency/importance)
This is a world phone stock, it contains both GSM and CDMA radios, I'm more concerned with how different custom roms interact with the radio and if they work properly for Voice, MMS, SMS and Data on prepaid sims vs. "contract" sims in the european union.
Hey everyone, I got a art galaxy note last week, try to root it and flash the tmo from to work on tmo 4g.
The first I got the phone, its its already up to pics, so I root it and flashed the ics modems, blaze, kid, and last one(forgot the name)
I can able to get online but the speed is around 500k up, I'm quite upset at the moment. So I try few roms like onlyone beta 4, saurom rc 7.1, also cm9 h0tw1r3 r5 patch 1, tried *#2263# to stay at 1700hz and run hiapn to do wcdma preferred. each rom with all 3modems and still around 500k down. I'm so sad and don't know what should I try next
The best one is under saurom with kid almost reach 1m down.....
Is some had the same problem what im suffering? Please I really need some help....do I need to flash kernel in this circumstances?now is 3.0.8-perf-I717UCLE3-CL577875
PS: I'm in new York area
Please I need some assistance here guys....
there may not be any more help we can provide...
Based on the fact that you have tried all available roms, and modems. and the combinations of both.
I'm not one to give up, but based on the information you have given us, we have nothing else to offer as a suggestion.
It may very well be that your area is a particularly poor one for reception, or network.
Did you have a good speed with the stock rom and modem ?
If so, you may want to revert.......g
Agreed. You tried all the usual suspects. I quit fighting the wrong phone for the network long ago and now buy the phones for the carrier.
20% of the threads around here are about people unsuccessfully using equipment on the network it wasn't designed for.
Since your phone is unlocked, why not get an at&t month-to-month or Straightalk plan.
If you're set on t-mobile, sell or trade the phone on craigslist and get the t-mobile version.
There's no sense in being upset at this.
Thank you ranger and greg for the reply, the only reason I want to make this phone to work on tmo cause I want white other than the dark blue or black....
I know using a phone that not regularly release by the provider doesn't make sense, but just wondering is anyone having the same problem and figure out a best rom/radio or method to get it done.
actually I'm satisfy with 3g speed if it able to. ...
I think I might just give it up and sell it...=[
I have at&t but I rarely get 3g speeds even though that lying network icon is telling me 4g LTE. I don't see much improvement in their network since 3g. Can't you enjoy the phone and forget the network icon? I mean, what are you being prevented from doing?