So... I have FJ Mod on my note. Things have been running great for a long time. Then a few days a go, out of the blue, google voice was constantly crashing. Then the gapps process. Then it got ridiculous and everything would crash. Then I noticed that when I restart, it saves nothing that I had done. For instance, my call log, text messages, moved icons on my homepage.
I did a wipe in CWM, and everything came back the exact same. Still the same problem, icons still in the wrong place... no idea whats going on.
Has anyone got any advice for me? I was going to try and put a new ROM on later if worse comes to worse, but as is, this is very frustrating. I often have to restart my phone just to use the browser, or message, or anything really. I am just hoping that my internal SD isn't screwed some how and now allowing me to write to it. I haven't done any changes. I don't even believe I have downloaded any apps since a week or so prior to this issue.
Flashing with ODIN did not good either. I tried to revert back to stock. It uploaded with no issues apparently, and then when it rebooted I was back in ICS with everything as it was... argh.
Find one of the the ics leaka one click Odin packages and run that. Should wipe everything, and then you just have to flash cwm and root again.
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welchertc said:
Find one of the the ics leaka one click Odin packages and run that. Should wipe everything, and then you just have to flash cwm and root again.
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Well, I tried something similar with a rogers stock rom. Booted up Odin, connected to issues. Uploaded/transferred no issues. Figured I'd be on stock Gingerbread upon bootup, but it was ICS! I've done this and similar on multiple phones, not sure whats happening. I will try again with a different rom as you suggested tonight.
I know where the leaks are...this loser has them here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1740367
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Find one of the the ics leaka one click Odin packages and run that. Should wipe everything, and then you just have to flash cwm and root again.
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Well, I tried something similar with a rogers stock rom. Booted up Odin, connected to issues. Uploaded/transferred no issues. Figured I'd be on stock Gingerbread upon bootup, but it was ICS! I've done this and similar on multiple phones, not sure whats happening. I will try again with a different rom as you suggested tonight.
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I know where the leaks are...this loser has them here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1740367
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Greatly appreciated! Thanks for posting the link. I will try it tonight and let you know how it works out.
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So... I have FJ Mod on my note. Things have been running great for a long time. Then a few days a go, out of the blue, google voice was constantly crashing. Then the gapps process. Then it got ridiculous and everything would crash.
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I had the EXACT problem, out of the blue as well. I didn't have the other stated problems in your OP but I did have the one quoted above. First voice , then a few google apps(gmail, drive, etc). The apps would hang for a few 1-2 minutes (felt like hours) and the phone including capacitive buttons became unresponsive and couldn't do anything with the phone. The "wait" or "ok" buttons on the force close popup were not clickable.. It sorted itself out in a few days and boy did it drive me NUTS. I was afraid to post up here in fear people would think I was nuts and did something myself to make things go so awry. I was convinced I myself was nuts.. im by no means daft when it comes to android dev/tinkering lol. Very strange
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Well I was impatient and tried 2 different roms right away. Neither worked. Odin showed "pass", no errors. Then it does its auto-restart and bam, back where I was. Not having the best of luck with this right now.
Any other ideas would be appreciated!
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I had the EXACT problem, out of the blue as well. I didn't have the other stated problems in your OP but I did have the one quoted above. First voice , then a few google apps(gmail, drive, etc). The apps would hang for a few 1-2 minutes (felt like hours) and the phone including capacitive buttons became unresponsive and couldn't do anything with the phone. The "wait" or "ok" buttons on the force close popup were not clickable.. It sorted itself out in a few days and boy did it drive me NUTS. I was afraid to post up here in fear people would think I was nuts and did something myself to make things go so awry. I was convinced I myself was nuts.. im by no means daft when it comes to android dev/tinkering lol. Very strange
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LOL I actually waited a few days before posting here too. I was hoping that maybe uninstalling and reinstalling some, or updated, or clearing cache and all that would help. As you can see, it did nothing. Heck, after I restart my updates didnt even stick and Google Play is trying to download them again!
Well... still no luck.
Here is another thing I noticed. When I hook up the note to my PC, and look at it, I cannot access my external SD. Furthermore, I had a file on my internal SD that I deleted. When I restarted my phone the file was back. Yet in windows it removed without error. I have no idea what is happening at all.
And now its reading it again........ Ive literally been sitting here trying a bunch of different ways to fix this. Playing around in CWM, trying ODIN including a couple 1 click solutions. The one starts writing to NAND, then stops and gives me an error.
Try taking out your sd card and running it for a while. First note i got was acting that way from the get go. Took it back and got a new one. It started doing the same thing. Finally took out sd card and ran great. Card was going bad. I had replaced the 8 gb stock card with the 16 gb one i had in another phone and apparently the mote didn't like it.
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Well... still no luck.
Here is another thing I noticed. When I hook up the note to my PC, and look at it, I cannot access my external SD. Furthermore, I had a file on my internal SD that I deleted. When I restarted my phone the file was back. Yet in windows it removed without error. I have no idea what is happening at all.
And now its reading it again........ Ive literally been sitting here trying a bunch of different ways to fix this. Playing around in CWM, trying ODIN including a couple 1 click solutions. The one starts writing to NAND, then stops and gives me an error.
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Did you, by any chance, install a custom kernal? IIRC, one of them messed with the mount points. By far, the only way to fix your issue immediately will involve restoring to stock through ODIN, then rerooting and reflashing CWM. This will 100% mark your Note as either defective, or prove that it's a problem in another area. However, I don't believe your problem is with your SD Card, unless you've been using an app like apps2sd.
If you're weary about doing this, try to reflash CWM, or TWRP to figure out if it's something going on with the recovery partition and/or settings. I'm no expert, but the only thing I'm aware of that sticks around through a wipe, and multiple flashes are our recovery, our internal SD files (possible), and sometimes the modem. Also, the one click leaks include a not loader, which could prevent you from restoring a GB Nandroid.
By flashing CWM, then TWRP, then CWM again, or sticking with TWRP, you at least knock out one variable...and by reformatting your internal SD, you ensure no resources are sticking around.
Edit:are you using TiBu to backup and restore/migrate after a flash? Verify your backups under the batch lost.
What could be happening, is you're restoring data in CWM, or TiBu, or w/e ap you're using, and then the Google account sync restore is restoring your settings, and replacing the desired ones, or vice versa.
Edit again: Which launcher are you using? Which utilities do you use? What are your main root apps?
The backup verify is a must...but some launchers will scoot icons out of the way. If you're having a touch screen issue, or an S Pen issue, you could be draggn items around when you're not aware of it.
I'll see this through. You've caught my interest.
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johnnyb82 said:
So... I have FJ Mod on my note. Things have been running great for a long time. Then a few days a go, out of the blue, google voice was constantly crashing. Then the gapps process. Then it got ridiculous and everything would crash. Then I noticed that when I restart, it saves nothing that I had done. For instance, my call log, text messages, moved icons on my homepage.
I did a wipe in CWM, and everything came back the exact same. Still the same problem, icons still in the wrong place... no idea whats going on.
Has anyone got any advice for me? I was going to try and put a new ROM on later if worse comes to worse, but as is, this is very frustrating. I often have to restart my phone just to use the browser, or message, or anything really. I am just hoping that my internal SD isn't screwed some how and now allowing me to write to it. I haven't done any changes. I don't even believe I have downloaded any apps since a week or so prior to this issue.
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Also, tap USB utilities in settings, by the other FJ mods, and tap the selection there, then check to see if you can find your SD card through your PC.
In addition to the above, you can also enter the "Tools" section of FJmods, and disable ad blocking, remove touchwiz UI, s voice, etcetera, and return ALL settings too default, and remove all extras. You can reflash recovery there too.
How are you trying to reformat your SD card?
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Also, tap USB utilities in settings, by the other FJ mods, and tap the selection there, then check to see if you can find your SD card through your PC.
In addition to the above, you can also enter the "Tools" section of FJmods, and disable ad blocking, remove touchwiz UI, s voice, etcetera, and return ALL settings too default, and remove all extras. You can reflash recovery there too.
How are you trying to reformat your SD card?
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I had installed a custom kernel on Gingerbread before, but obviously that was replaced with the one I used with FJmod. It had been operating fine for over a month.
Also, I removed my SD Card, and tried everything without it. I have tried restoring gingerbread stock and ICS stock through both ODIN and CWM. Even formatting through CWM does nothing as when I restart I am back to normal.
As for root, I only had 2-3 programs with access. ES File Manager/Task manager, and I tried one called Lucky Patcher (I will verify this evening). All of these had been on for at least a week prior to all this beginning.
I havent been using TiBu for anything at all actually.
The launcher I am using at the moment is Nova.
Other than that, I am going to try a few of your suggestions once I am done work. I will post my results tonight!
Thanks for the suggestions and info, greatly appreciated.
EDIT: Just to be clear. I am formatting then restarting and all my apps, icon placements and wallpaper return. Even my call history is stuck up to the 13th and erases recent calls. I am also trying to revert to stock ICS and Gingerbread through both ODIN and CWM. After it is done installing through ODIN and reboots, I return to the way my phone was before. Same with CWM. After flashing through CWM I return right back to the way it was. I am not doing any restoring or anything. I have done this plenty of times in the past before. The only thing I can possibly imagine at this point is that my SD is somehow stuck on read only. Yet it is weird because again, I can delete files and apps (and even windows shows them as gone), but after a restart they are all back! I can remove apps, but they are still in the app menu too.... I can even run them lol (even after deleting their folder). The phone is stuck in stasis.
All of this just happened one day out of the blue. No new apps (for at least a week) too.
I have a GTab that had the EXACT same symptoms.. turns out it's internal flash memory was bad, not the microSD. going for broke I opened it up and desoldered the flash memory IC and it uses the microSD now as its primary storage. If even after a stock reflash you have problems I hope you have warranty.
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I have a GTab that had the EXACT same symptoms.. turns out it's internal flash memory was bad, not the microSD. going for broke I opened it up and desoldered the flash memory IC and it uses the microSD now as its primary storage. If even after a stock reflash you have problems I hope you have warranty.
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Great... lol! I have a warranty, but no one will work with it due to the fact I have a custom rom. Am I maybe contacting the wrong people? I contacted Rogers and they said they couldn't help me. Well I am going to purchase the s3 as I get a small discount on it. I am positive I will end up with the next note unless some sort of crazy deal passes in front of me for another note.
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Great... lol! I have a warranty, but no one will work with it due to the fact I have a custom rom. Am I maybe contacting the wrong people? I contacted Rogers and they said they couldn't help me. Well I am going to purchase the s3 as I get a small discount on it. I am positive I will end up with the next note unless some sort of crazy deal passes in front of me for another note.
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No stock Odin for your phone? I would attempt this to be absolutely sure the problem isn't software related.. they should warranty hardware faults.
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No stock Odin for your phone? I would attempt this to be absolutely sure the problem isn't software related.. they should warranty hardware faults.
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No sir. I tried stock gingerbread and ics. I've tried custom roms. I've tried just erasing it too! Tried Odin and CWM. I am going to try and change recovery today again too.
Rogers said they won't help. They used the word "launcher" but I knew what he meant. They think I may have overclocked it any burnt it out I bet. Maybe I will try calling samsung.
Thing is, all my private info is on there! At least no private pics though
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No sir. I tried stock gingerbread and ics. I've tried custom roms. I've tried just erasing it too! Tried Odin and CWM. I am going to try and change recovery today again too.
Rogers said they won't help. They used the word "launcher" but I knew what he meant. They think I may have overclocked it any burnt it out I bet. Maybe I will try calling samsung.
Thing is, all my private info is on there! At least no private pics though
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If your have insurance, and it turns out the phone was physically damaged , you could try making a claim....but that's only if it was physically damaged. So you restored stock through odin? Did this happen on the stock unrooted rom?
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If your have insurance, and it turns out the phone was physically damaged , you could try making a claim....but that's only if it was physically damaged. So you restored stock through odin? Did this happen on the stock unrooted rom?
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Well its currently stuck on FJ Mod (which I think is a great rom), and then it just started acting up. I cannot restore Gingerbread stock, or ICS stock, or anything else. ODIN and CWM both show completed on my attempts, but upon reboot my device is back exactly where it left off on the 13th.
I picked up the S3 and I like it, but I miss my note badly
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Any ideas?
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I don't see that, I see normal stuff.
Maybe try via WiFi? I doubt that helps, but just confirm that for me.
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I don't see that, I see normal stuff.
Maybe try via WiFi? I doubt that helps, but just confirm that for me.
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Appreciate the interest. On wifi now, same business. Was going for an easy fix, but I suppose I can just redo everything.
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Okay, I have officially tried everything. Burned my whole afternoon. Even restoring completely to stock with odin doesn't work. Heading in to Verizon tomorrow.
Just give it some time. Mine was like that for about 24 hours.
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Did you try modifying your build.prop file...maybe the footprint got botched.
I did not. Is there an instruction post? I'll search for it tomorrow. About to crash.
Unsure about waiting 24 hours, how does that work?
I know for the dinc there was a market fix so that the phone identified itself as a nexus one to the market. Perhaps something like that would work.
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join the club i used Odin to flash CWRecovery and now i dont have WIFI not sure yet if i have market because i dont have 3G service @ home
please some one chime in ???
I flashed CWM last night and everthing is fine. Connected to wifi today at work market isn't giving me any problems.
I was the first guy to get CWM installed on the Fascinate, and I haven't had a single problem with the Market, paid or free.
I don't know if it has anything to do with CWM, but the issue didn't begin until I loaded it, so it's something that got screwed up along the way.
Before I loaded it, I undid the lagfix, wiped, re-rooted, and ran through the CWM steps.
Now I have gone completely back to stock, and am still having the same issues. My G/Fs Fascinate is fine however. I wasn't sure if anyone was familiar with what would be causing the issue, I understand it's working fine for everyone else. lol.
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I don't know if it has anything to do with CWM, but the issue didn't begin until I loaded it, so it's something that got screwed up along the way.
Before I loaded it, I undid the lagfix, wiped, re-rooted, and ran through the CWM steps.
Now I have gone completely back to stock, and am still having the same issues. My G/Fs Fascinate is fine however. I wasn't sure if anyone was familiar with what would be causing the issue, I understand it's working fine for everyone else. lol.
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How far back to stock have you gone? If you don't mind going back to base zero, you can try something...
To go completely back to stock what would you recomend? The process outlined for the i9000 mix up?
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When my paid market messed up I turned off power and restarted then it was fine.
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How far back to stock have you gone? If you don't mind going back to base zero, you can try something...
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I'm at base zero via your post, followed by a wipe to ensure that I killed root so I can possibly return the phone later today, lol. I'm seriously disturbed by this. Would be happy to try any possible fixes though.
Daswolven said:
I'm at base zero via your post, followed by a wipe to ensure that I killed root so I can possibly return the phone later today, lol. I'm seriously disturbed by this. Would be happy to try any possible fixes though.
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Go do Settings - > Privacy -> Reset Factory Default (something like that).
It's different than a recovery wipe, this will rebuild /dbdata.
I betcha one whole dollar that fixes it. Unless you already did that. In which case I do not bet you one dollar.
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Go do Settings - > Privacy -> Reset Factory Default (something like that).
It's different than a recovery wipe, this will rebuild /dbdata.
I betcha one whole dollar that fixes it. Unless you already did that. In which case I do not bet you one dollar.
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Lolz. Done already.
I have honestly tried every possible combination of fix I can think of to do. I don't know what got borked, but to be completely honest, I can't swear I had paid market from the get on mine. I am just pretty sure I did.
I know I don't now.
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Lolz. Done already.
I have honestly tried every possible combination of fix I can think of to do. I don't know what got borked, but to be completely honest, I can't swear I had paid market from the get on mine. I am just pretty sure I did.
I know I don't now.
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try signing in with a different gmail account.
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try signing in with a different gmail account.
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Ha. trying now.
At some point, I got an error that one of my apps couldn't find a file it pointed to. I went to Astro and discovered that "/sdcard" was inaccessible. So, I rebooted, after which it was accessible again, but all the folders I had added were gone without a trace.
How did this happen? When I plug the phone in to my PC, I usually click to "eject" on the PC before disconnecting the cable (although I don't notice any effect on the phone from the eject action). Should I be doing something on the phone instead?
And in any case, do I have to worry about file structure corruption, or is that something that the phone fixes on its own? This aspect of Android is new to me, so any help would be appreciated!
It just happened again!
This started after I installed Go Launcher, but I don't know if that's just a coincidence or not. Right now, I'm not even using it, I installed LauncherPro - and that's my default at the moment.
Does anyone know what's causing me to lose entire folders for no visible reason?
I'm having this same issue. I tried both Gladiatrix and Gingerblur and it's happened once on each so far. After a reboot, my internal SD will just be cleared out. Apps and such are fine, just anything in Sdcard folder.
Is there anything I can do to keep this from happening?
For me, I'm not sure if it happens after a reboot - I have specifically noticed it happen right after unplugging the USB cable. Now, one of the times it might have been after a reboot, I'm just not sure.
If anyone can help shed some light on this, it would be greatly appreciated!
I should also note that some of the folders are still there, but everything in them is gone. The folders that remain seem to be ones created by apps (camera's DCIM, dropbox, titanium backup). Folders I created (music, notifications, ringtones) are gone.
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I should also note that some of the folders are still there, but everything in them is gone. The folders that remain seem to be ones created by apps (camera's DCIM, dropbox, titanium backup). Folders I created (music, notifications, ringtones) are gone.
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Yes! That's it, exactly! All folders created by the system, or apps are still there (I can't vouch for the contents, though, since I never checked what was inside them).
But all the folders I created are gone.
Someone's got to know what this is.
Looks like we are the only two having this issue Haphim, lol.
I've unmounted and formatted my internal SD card from within android. Reloaded everything on it and so far so good. I've rebooted a bunch of times to try and get it to do it again but I can't. Hopefully this fixes it. Will keep you updated.
Just did it again. This time it erased all folders. Again it was after a reboot. Next step is when i get home to sbf back to stock, and either keep it that way or re-root and install custom rom. I'm starting to think it could just be a bad internal sd card.
I bought this phone on ebay. Has anyone ever dealt with trying to get a phone repaired they bought off ebay? Anything i should know?
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Just did it again. This time it erased all folders. Again it was after a reboot. Next step is when i get home to sbf back to stock, and either keep it that way or re-root and install custom rom. I'm starting to think it could just be a bad internal sd card.
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Well, my phone is brand new, bought from Amazon - so I'm not sure your source is the cause. If you do some searching, you'll see a number of other people have experienced this as well, so it's not limited to just us.
Perhaps we need to contact Motorola, I don't know.
Yea I might contact motorola soon.
I just noticed, in the /mnt directory, I keep getting new folders with the name "usbdisk_1.x". So far I have 1.0-1.7. Is this normal? could it be part of the issue?
Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
update: I sbf'd back to stock. Left it that way for half a day, rebooting a bunch of times. SDcard never wiped. I just installed greyblur a few hours ago and so far so good with that too. Restarted a bunch and no issues yet. Will keep you updated.
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update: I sbf'd back to stock. Left it that way for half a day, rebooting a bunch of times. SDcard never wiped. I just installed greyblur a few hours ago and so far so good with that too. Restarted a bunch and no issues yet. Will keep you updated.
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That's great news! But that leaves the question on whether the problem is being caused by one of the other apps you had installed (or maybe even the 1.57 update).
I look forward to seeing how this turns out for you.
I suppose it could have been an app. I've be installing all the apps I use as I go. I decided it would be best to not restore apps using titanium.
I think it's pretty safe to say flashing to stock and starting over fixed this for me. No issues in the past couple days. Rebooting a lot just to be sure. :-D
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I think it's pretty safe to say flashing to stock and starting over fixed this for me. No issues in the past couple days. Rebooting a lot just to be sure. :-D
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You're now running all the same apps you had before?
Only one I don't think I've installed again yet is Angry Birds lol.
Update: Phone wiped SD on me again. She's going back to seller on ebay. Hopefully I can find another one decently cheap.
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Update: Phone wiped SD on me again. She's going back to seller on ebay. Hopefully I can find another one decently cheap.
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Unless Motorola tells you otherwise, I wouldn't bother, because I don't think swapping the phone will get you anywhere. You and I are not the only ones with this issue.
Unless Motorola tells you it's hardware, then either it's a bug on the O/S, or it's a bug with one (or more) of the apps we're using. And in either of the two latter cases, swapping phones won't make a difference.
Since I'm pretty sure I've seen people complain about this issue with *different* models of Android phones, I'm guessing the problem is not hardware.
For what it's worth, I got rid of Go Launcher, and I haven't seen the problem happen since. It's not a guarantee of course, but prior to that, my internal sdcard was getting wiped at least once a day.
I'd recommend troubleshooting this via the half life method. Uninstall half of your apps and see if the problem re-occurs. If enough time passes that you're certain you're in the clear, re-install half of the apps you uninstalled and test again. Keep doing that until you figure out the culprit.
I hope you're wrong, only because I sent mine back and ordered a brand new one. I didn't want to bother trying with Motorola on the first one I bought because I got it on ebay and had a limited window to return it in. If the new one has issues, I'll call them up.
So, I've been jumping back and forth between Atrix CM9 and CM7 roms and running the .36p radio. Yesterday on CM9, i started getting a large amounts of random reboots and finally got things settled by doing a factory reset in CWM and flashing a clean cm9 rom. However, whenever I turned on wifi, the phone would crash and reboot to the Dual Core logo. I tried flashing another CM9 rom and it didn't crash, but the wifi radio would never seem to pick up any AP's (i'm at home).
I've gone as far as changing to the .37p radio and going back to cm7 to no avail... I'm a bit worried I might have "fried" the wifi radio on the phone.
Did you do a full wipe? Use fastboot to wipe properly before flashing any ROM. Plenty of threads with instructions.
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Looking at the fast boot command, I'm not sure how that does anything different then the clockwork mod wipe... but I will give it a shot.
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Sorry, but your wifi/bluetooth card is dead. My Atrix got the exact same symptoms a few days ago. Both WiFi and bluetooth are on the same chip. When the system tries to reference them, it fails to locate the hardware and crashes/reboots.
In fact, in researching this topic, I found dozens of threads about this. We should make a sticky about it at this point. Best Buy was kind enough to take back my phone (unlocked bootloader, rooted, cwm, custom fonts, startup, etc.) if I restored it all to stock. If you want Motorola/AT&T/the store you purchased it at to not void your warranty, you should flash the 2.3.6 SBF. Just be cautious and read all about it. But that is the only way that Motorola will service a modded phone
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Looking at the fast boot command, I'm not sure how that does anything different then the clockwork mod wipe... but I will give it a shot.
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Nothing like the same. Clockwork wipe only does data and cache. You erase boot, system, preinstall, cache, user, webtop, etc., via fastboot. I've posted the procedure probably more than 20 times before.
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Yeah unfortunately even after a fastboot wipe, the phone's bluetooth and wifi were gone. I was also over the year warranty. Luckily, I picked up a barely used one on Craigslist and restored my backup to it. Now i've got an expensive battery charger (and spare phone should i need it).
If there were any tips you'd have on restoring to a new phone? I've restored my phone a lot and worked on a lot of android phones (I work at a repair shop), but I've never restored data/settings from one phone to another. Of course its the same model, but I can only imagine the issues that could arise out of such an operation
Thanks!
I just made sure I did a fastboot full wipe of the new phone, then placed my clockworkmod directory on the internal (external should be ok too) storage and did a restore. After the restore, I re-flashed the latest version of the rom I was running on top of it with Google apps and it booted fine. Afterwards, I made sure to do a permissions repair and reboot.
Yeah, it seems like a lot of people are having this problem. Like me for example :[
So far there is no solution that I'm aware of, after trying practically everything I could think of and find on the internet... I'm pretty sure it's hardware related. I bet the phone just isn't very high quality. How much did it cost again? $600? + all of the dumb accessories for it. Normally when you see a pattern of failures you would call it a design flaw, but apparently when it comes to expensive electronics they call it out of warranty.
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So, I've been jumping back and forth between Atrix CM9 and CM7 roms and running the .36p radio. Yesterday on CM9, i started getting a large amounts of random reboots and finally got things settled by doing a factory reset in CWM and flashing a clean cm9 rom. However, whenever I turned on wifi, the phone would crash and reboot to the Dual Core logo. I tried flashing another CM9 rom and it didn't crash, but the wifi radio would never seem to pick up any AP's (i'm at home).
I've gone as far as changing to the .37p radio and going back to cm7 to no avail... I'm a bit worried I might have "fried" the wifi radio on the phone.
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did your wifi
For anyone interested, here is a supposed solution to the problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYz_RiuFVRk
It will require you to open the phone up, and solder the "wifi battery" into place. I'm not sure what the hell that thing is, but that guy in the video called it a battery. Voids warranty etc. Good luck.
cafe. said:
For anyone interested, here is a supposed solution to the problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYz_RiuFVRk
It will require you to open the phone up, and solder the "wifi battery" into place. I'm not sure what the hell that thing is, but that guy in the video called it a battery. Voids warranty etc. Good luck.
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I'd give it a try, if I could understand what exactly he does. It looks like he just pries it up with a screwdriver and then pushes it back down.
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I'd give it a try, if I could understand what exactly he does. It looks like he just pries it up with a screwdriver and then pushes it back down.
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If I ha some solder I might try it
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When I first received my Galaxy Player, I was ecstatic; my first Android device! Well that was back in June 2012 and now it's becoming more of a frustration than anything!
I got into the modding scene just like the old days with the Sony PSP so I've rooted the device and flashed many ROMs over the months. I've found some really nice setups and learned a lot. I've ended up with the following setup and I love it:
Galaxy Player 5 International
Kernel: rj's custom kernel for Galaxy Player 5.0 INTL (YP-G70) r14
ROM: G70XXKPH Gingerbread 2.3.6 Stock Firmware
Launcher: Xperia Home 2.2.A.0.14.ra3al.r7
Since the Galaxy Player doesn't have support any variant of ICS with a working camera I went after the best GB ROM I could find. I've tried Chip, Entropy and others but they've all had their problems and I moved on to my current one. I can actually hear the Android tap sounds on this when I touch an icon like in the stock GB ROM! Among other reasons I believe this ROM to be my best option.
As for launchers, I've been through all the popular ones including all of the TouchWiz's, Go Launcher, Holo and now Xperia. This one is absolutely amazing! I love nearly everything about it, especially the animations and layouts! It pairs really nicely with the weather widget app too!
I finally get all of this setup and performing smoothly and quite fast too! But of course there has to be problems ~
The biggest problem is the card reader very often hiccups and thinks the cards are damaged or have been unmounted or removed randomly. This happens with more than 2 of my cards so it's the device itself!
Frequently random crashes where I cannot turn the display or anything on, requires hard reboot.
The camera very occasionally winds up with a disabled touch screen after taking a picture.
The camera often doesn't even load past a black screen with the status bar to the side.
Etc..
I'm starting to think it's best to stick with the Stock ROM and use my favorite Launcher and Kernel and avoid all this hassle! Although I was under the impression that I AM using the stock ROM, minus the tweaks mentioned on the developer's thread. Does anyone know why I'm having all of these problems?
My goal is to get this device back to factory default settings including ROM and Kernel. I just got the thing in a bootloop after flashing the stock ROM via Odin so I'm trying to figure that out. I'm also having difficulty finding the legit stock ROM and possibly Kernel, where could I get those if you don't mind?
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My goal is to get this device back to factory default settings including ROM and Kernel. I just got the thing in a bootloop after flashing the stock ROM via Odin so I'm trying to figure that out. I'm also having difficulty finding the legit stock ROM and possibly Kernel, where could I get those if you don't mind?
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Latest legit stock ROM is linked from the end of the KPH thread. It includes the kernel.
However, no stock kernel supports the ext4 filesystem. That means if your /data or /cache are formatted to ext4, it cannot read them and bootloops. To fix, either go into recovery and wipe data and cache, or if you have things on there that you don't want to lose, flash Rumirand's kernel again with Odin, go into cwm, and make a nandroid. You will still have to wipe data from "Android System Recovery" after flashing stock, but you will have a backup.
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Latest legit stock ROM is linked from the end of the KPH thread. It includes the kernel.
However, no stock kernel supports the ext4 filesystem. That means if your /data or /cache are formatted to ext4, it cannot read them and bootloops. To fix, either go into recovery and wipe data and cache, or if you have things on there that you don't want to lose, flash Rumirand's kernel again with Odin, go into cwm, and make a nandroid. You will still have to wipe data from "Android System Recovery" after flashing stock, but you will have a backup.
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Thanks for the tip! I was wondering how to get back into recovery since holding down and/or home wasn't working at this point. Didn't remember that you could flash r14 with Odin. I'll have to try that!
Do you have any experience with the complaints I have about the device or am I the only one who's device tends to act up this way?
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Thanks for the tip! I was wondering how to get back into recovery since holding down and/or home wasn't working at this point. Didn't remember that you could flash r14 with Odin. I'll have to try that!
Do you have any experience with the complaints I have about the device or am I the only one who's device tends to act up this way?
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No, I haven't experienced them, but I spend most of my time on ROMs where camera is broken. Your issues sound specific to your device, or to your ROM/kernel. I recommend upgrading to XXKPL, as that may help.
And I believe on International devices recovery is vol UP and home, not down.
Mevordel said:
No, I haven't experienced them, but I spend most of my time on ROMs where camera is broken. Your issues sound specific to your device, or to your ROM/kernel. I recommend upgrading to XXKPL, as that may help.
And I believe on International devices recovery is vol UP and home, not down.
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That was a typo, I meant to say "Up+Home", Down is download mode lol, woops.
My new setup (before reading your post):
Kernel: r14
Firmware: 2.3.6
Build: GINGERBREAD.XXKPH
What's the difference between XXKPH and XXKPL?
Update: I'm trying to flash XXKPL with Odin but it just makes the device bootloop. I'm even using a .pit named "G70-GalaxyPlayer5.0-8gig-Inter_model_2.3.5" but it just bootloops. So I'm figuring it's due to that file extension situation and I'm trying to figure out how to properly flash this Stock (XXKPL) ROM properly.
Update: Okay! It seems all you need to do is flash rem's r14 kernel and the device boots right up. Shame there's no one click fix to just flash the Stock ROM without issue like with flashing a custom ROM through CWM Recovery Menu.
Now I'm sitting at:
ROM: Stock G70XXKPL
Firmware: 2.3.6
Kernel: Rem's R14
I look forward to the first problem in this setup!
The new JB roms are in Nightly betas. So far all of the things that we are missing from it are Camera (kinda works), functionality for the earphones/headphones (you have to plug in earphones with a mic and then all of the other types work). That's really the only major problems I can remember and they are all close to being fixed.
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The new JB roms are in Nightly betas. So far all of the things that we are missing from it are Camera (kinda works), functionality for the earphones/headphones (you have to plug in earphones with a mic and then all of the other types work). That's really the only major problems I can remember and they are all close to being fixed.
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That's pretty impressive! I had no idea they were that far along in JB! I could search for it myself but I'd probably find the wrong thing, could you give me a link to this particular JB Project please? I really want to follow and support it!
Ah and of course all day I've been dealing with this device of mine misbehaving! Every time I pull it out of my pocket and try to wake it up it just doesn't respond, no lights no screen, there's nothing. I have to keep hard booting it every few hours!
The worst thing is the camera almost never loads anymore! Either the default or my Camera Zoom FX app. I launch it and it never fully loads up or if it does it either takes 1 pic and then the touch screen doesn't respond. Or it says there's a problem with the SD card like it's missing or damaged so it doesn't save the pictures.
There is always something with this device I'm so annoyed with it -_-. Any help or advice? Because I'm at my whit's end here with ideas!
Update: I'm actually starting to suspect the Xperia S Home Launcher as the problem here. I noticed this did mostly start to get worse when I installed it and so far since I removed every Xperia-related software and went to default TouchWiz that it's performing just fine. I hope it stays this way but what a shame, I really like the Xperia Launcher. Even more than my favorite Go Launcher Ex! D:
Here is JB http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2077671
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DZonikg said:
Here is JB http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2077671
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Thanks for that! I was under the impression that CyanOgen 10.1 was the main JB ROM. Glad I asked lol.
Btw a little update with my Galaxy Player!
The Good:
So far, since I've switched back to TouchWiz and dropped Xperia (sadface), my device has not locked up on me!
The camera also stays functional!
The Bad:
"SD card unexpectedly removed" continues to randomly occur (as I'm writing this)! Why? The card is still in there, I never touched it.
Still, when I power it down, the device sometimes hangs at the black screen and never completes the process!
Must reboot first to connect USB to PC. Even with USB Debugging disabled and Mass Storage selected.
Is this normal? I'm seriously starting to wonder..
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The Bad:
"SD card unexpectedly removed" continues to randomly occur (as I'm writing this)! Why? The card is still in there, I never touched it.
Still, when I power it down, the device sometimes hangs at the black screen and never completes the process!
Must reboot first to connect USB to PC. Even with USB Debugging disabled and Mass Storage selected.
Is this normal? I'm seriously starting to wonder..
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Is not normal... Never got ext. SD Card unmounted or remove notification in 4 months of use. My advice was to try with another SD Card but you already done this!
Try clean the SD Card socket (blow on it) and push and pop some times the card, just to be sure that there isn't some dirt that make false contact.
If the problem persist i'd suggest to bring at garancy assistence.
Mine takes much time too... it takes more time to turn off that turn on, but after an half minute it vibrate and turn off itself.
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Is not normal... Never got ext. SD Card unmounted or remove notification in 4 months of use. My advice was to try with another SD Card but you already done this!
Try clean the SD Card socket (blow on it) and push and pop some times the card, just to be sure that there isn't some dirt that make false contact.
If the problem persist i'd suggest to bring at garancy assistence.
Mine takes much time too... it takes more time to turn off that turn on, but after an half minute it vibrate and turn off itself.
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I just tried using air pressure to clear out any dirt and no improvements thus far.
Main problems:
Camera works 50% of the time.
SD Card reader randomly claims 'unexpectedly unmounted'.
USB storage randomly stops successfully connecting.
My question now:
I feel like my particular Galaxy Player is a Lemon. What is the manufacture's warranty for this if I bought it from Samsung? What are the chances of me exchanging it or getting it refurbished or w/e after all this modding? (shot in the dark lol)
SesukaShindo said:
I just tried using air pressure to clear out any dirt and no improvements thus far.
Main problems:
Camera works 50% of the time.
SD Card reader randomly claims 'unexpectedly unmounted'.
USB storage randomly stops successfully connecting.
My question now:
I feel like my particular Galaxy Player is a Lemon. What is the manufacture's warranty for this if I bought it from Samsung? What are the chances of me exchanging it or getting it refurbished or w/e after all this modding? (shot in the dark lol)
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Flash back to stock and they'll never know.
Mevordel said:
Flash back to stock and they'll never know.
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Lol, stock is KPL right?
SesukaShindo said:
Lol, stock is KPL right?
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Yes
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Awesome, then I'll stick to KPL for now. Oddly enough I have this setup:
ROM: KPL
Kernel: Remirand's r14
Launcher: Xperia (i can't help it!)
And so far the only persistent issue is the SD Card "unexpectedly removed" and the occasional need for a hard boot. Hopefully this is the worst of it, aside from the minor nuisance . I think my device will always have those.
similar problems
I have similar SD card problems. I use it primarily as a music player, and at random intervals I'll get messages in the stock music app saying either "This file does not exist", or "This file type is not recognized."
Typically, I have to remove and remount the SD card, sometimes several times, to clear the error.
Ya my problems are all still persisting an really bad now.. Going to send device to samsung through warranty. This is definitely a hardware issue and i cant fix it!
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SesukaShindo said:
Ya my problems are all still persisting an really bad now.. Going to send device to samsung through warranty. This is definitely a hardware issue and i cant fix it!
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Yeah, I gave up on it. Returning it to Amazon today.
I'm testing out my Galaxy Tab as a music player...seems to work OK so far.
Hits da Bong said:
Yeah, I gave up on it. Returning it to Amazon today.
I'm testing out my Galaxy Tab as a music player...seems to work OK so far.
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If only I had these problems within the first 30 days, then I could return it easy to Amazon as well. Hopefully I have success with Samsung Warranty. One annoying thing is I have only 10 days to make sure the device arrives at their site before my claim ticket is canceled so I have to wait to create a new ticket to use it. Such a hassle.
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After scouring for two days I am just giving up and asking for help. Here is what happened. I have a At&t Galaxy Note. It was rooted but very glitchy. Kept shutting off, weird lines going through the screen, my camera didnt work. I know for that process I did TWRP and cyanogenmod. I went back to att stock from a forum found here. After I did that I had no google apps anywhere. SO my brother found some gapps.zip thing. He put it on my phone after I had restored back to a previous version that did have them. Now my phone wont stay on for longer than a minute. I cant get it to recognize on my computer. So I cant even try to get into it to see if I can fix anything. Everytime I conntect it, a message pops up that says that it cannot install MTP... Even if I restore again, as I have tried. It is still not letting me use it. Then my brother decided to re root it I guess. And that is all well and fine but i still cant use my phone. I saw something about a .zip that removes gapps but I havent been able to use that as my phone just wont install it in recovery mode. Can someone please please help me!!!!
luvpudds said:
After scouring for two days I am just giving up and asking for help. Here is what happened. I have a At&t Galaxy Note. It was rooted but very glitchy. Kept shutting off, weird lines going through the screen, my camera didnt work. I know for that process I did TWRP and cyanogenmod. I went back to att stock from a forum found here. After I did that I had no google apps anywhere. SO my brother found some gapps.zip thing. He put it on my phone after I had restored back to a previous version that did have them. Now my phone wont stay on for longer than a minute. I cant get it to recognize on my computer. So I cant even try to get into it to see if I can fix anything. Everytime I conntect it, a message pops up that says that it cannot install MTP... Even if I restore again, as I have tried. It is still not letting me use it. Then my brother decided to re root it I guess. And that is all well and fine but i still cant use my phone. I saw something about a .zip that removes gapps but I havent been able to use that as my phone just wont install it in recovery mode. Can someone please please help me!!!!
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wow. the first few sentences were making sense, then you just lost it grammar wise and lost me. it would have helped knowing what ROM was on your phone. from symptoms it sounds as if t was a 4.2 ROM with no GAPPS and some serious OC/UV issues.
but you lost me with your English and the "TWRP and CYANOGENMOD thingy" i know what they are obviously, but what you did with them is a HUGE guessing game. one person not knowing what they are doing is bad enough, but two of you.......... cant do that man. kind of like masturbating with someone elses hand man. who cleans up the mess.
absolute clean slate is going to be you best option in my opinion. the "Super Everything Thread" is going to be your new best friend.
read it, live it, learn it......................understand it. put yourself in position to help yourself first.
tutorals on YOUTUBE can help too.
can you get DOWNLOAD MODE?
do you have ODIN?
do you have PDA/ TAR files you need?
you may need to re-install the DRIVERS for phone on computer
there is a glossary in Super thread, that is why i capped these words. key points and things you need to do. its a marathon not a sprint.
go slow, one step at time, understand what you are doing. even rehearse it, i did. be confident in what you are doing. make sure you have files for I717.
read the OP's for ROM's
some need GAPPS (4.2) and some don't (4.1.2) or Touchwiz
the new 4.3 will also need GAPPS and there are 4.2 and 4.3 GAPPS. again make sure you have right files. all the more reason to take your time.
and uh, don't just let someone flash whatever on your phone, that's how you get a BRICK.
good luck and let us know.
if i have stated anything wrong, someone else will be buy to correct.
nothing wrong with how i am telling, others just may have shortcuts.
what you do with it is up to you, i just like to understand what i am doing, cause i will have to fix it.
but keep us posted
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wow. the first few sentences were making sense, then you just lost it grammar wise and lost me. it would have helped knowing what ROM was on your phone. from symptoms it sounds as if t was a 4.2 ROM with no GAPPS and some serious OC/UV issues.
but you lost me with your English and the "TWRP and CYANOGENMOD thingy" i know what they are obviously, but what you did with them is a HUGE guessing game. one person not knowing what they are doing is bad enough, but two of you.......... cant do that man. kind of like masturbating with someone elses hand man. who cleans up the mess.
absolute clean slate is going to be you best option in my opinion. the "Super Everything Thread" is going to be your new best friend.
read it, live it, learn it......................understand it. put yourself in position to help yourself first.
tutorals on YOUTUBE can help too.
can you get DOWNLOAD MODE?
do you have ODIN?
do you have PDA/ TAR files you need?
you may need to re-install the DRIVERS for phone on computer
there is a glossary in Super thread, that is why i capped these words. key points and things you need to do. its a marathon not a sprint.
go slow, one step at time, understand what you are doing. even rehearse it, i did. be confident in what you are doing. make sure you have files for I717.
read the OP's for ROM's
some need GAPPS (4.2) and some don't (4.1.2) or Touchwiz
the new 4.3 will also need GAPPS and there are 4.2 and 4.3 GAPPS. again make sure you have right files. all the more reason to take your time.
and uh, don't just let someone flash whatever on your phone, that's how you get a BRICK.
good luck and let us know.
if i have stated anything wrong, someone else will be buy to correct.
nothing wrong with how i am telling, others just may have shortcuts.
what you do with it is up to you, i just like to understand what i am doing, cause i will have to fix it.
but keep us posted
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Im sorry, Im just really frustrated. My phone was working fine yesterday and now its a very expensive paperweight. And not only that but Im having problems with my laptop. Apparently the hard drive just went clonkers for no reason and now I have to put in a new one. Yes I can get into download mode. Yes I have Odin. Yes I have the PDA/TAR files. I made sure everything was for the sgh i717. I read each process ten times before I did it. I installed my drivers from the Samsung website. I think my problem is that the internal sd card isnt being recognized. When I go into recovery mode, which is CMW btw, it gives me an eemc 07 error message and says it cant mount. When I can get my phone to stay on long enough for thecpu to recognize it it doesnt say sd card just phone memory. I will be sure to read the super everything thread. As for a ROM there isnt one on here. If I try to put one one it wont install and keeps saying that eemc 07 error message. Thanks for responding. Im spiraling in self-pity right now but im determined to get my phone back.
If you get it back to stock, do a complete erase/format, and your still having all these glitches, there's a good chance there's hardware issues. Especially if your not able to see the external SD card etc.
If your the original owner (I.E. you got it from a dealer with a plan), and you can get your counter reset to 0 on stock with these issues still showing up, it might be easiest to take it in and get a replacement. That is, if you have a warranty option available.
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If you get it back to stock, do a complete erase/format, and your still having all these glitches, there's a good chance there's hardware issues. Especially if your not able to see the external SD card etc.
If your the original owner (I.E. you got it from a dealer with a plan), and you can get your counter reset to 0 on stock with these issues still showing up, it might be easiest to take it in and get a replacement. That is, if you have a warranty option available.
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Its not the external sd but the internal one. Its just gone... I know that this is the problem at this point. But I have no idea how to resolve that issue. I have no idea where it is or how to get it back. I have been on xda and droidforums for an extreme amount of time trying to find a solution but nothing going. The only way I have seen to reset my counter is to use triangle away. As I cannot even use my phone due to freezing and restarting I cannot even install that app. I am hoping that one person in the wide world has had this problem and fixed it and will read this and tell me how to fix it.
Status 7 means you need to update you recovery
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Thanks for all the help. Took it it AT&T. Now my phone is working properly if a slight bit laggy. But at least its working.
luvpudds said:
Thanks for all the help. Took it it AT&T. Now my phone is working properly if a slight bit laggy. But at least its working.
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so where are you at then?
what does your phone show as running?
settings/about phone
are you just going to leave it or are you still going to pursue customizing?
captemo said:
so where are you at then?
what does your phone show as running?
settings/about phone
are you just going to leave it or are you still going to pursue customizing?
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I'm running 4.1.2 now. I will not be customizing like that for some time. I might think about it later but I'm so glad to have it back I'm just going to enjoy it for awhile.
luvpudds said:
I'm running 4.1.2 now. I will not be customizing like that for some time. I might think about it later but I'm so glad to have it back I'm just going to enjoy it for awhile.
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you know, something going wrong with mine was my biggest worry. when I decide to screw something up, I can really screw something up. so I was very hesitant. it probably took me 2-3 months to get the courage to flash. but that was most likely a good thing. it made me be very thorough in the process.
all I am saying is don't let it completely discourage you. you have time.
glad you got phone back, I know it can be a bit of a scary thing. I have come across an issue or two myself and actually surprised myself by fixing myself. actually a pretty good feeling.
anyway, stick around, there are some pretty amazing folks here.
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one person not knowing what they are doing is bad enough, but two of you.......... cant do that man. kind of like masturbating with someone elses hand man. who cleans up the mess.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Rofl. Now I have a completely different vision when I see captemo advise a full wipe to someone.
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Bubbajoe40356 said:
Rofl. Now I have a completely different vision when I see captemo advise a full wipe to someone.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5HJGuyBfx8
Well I think we just lost our "FamilyFriendly" label.
rangercaptain said:
Well I think we just lost our "FamilyFriendly" label.
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Well at least our PG-13 rating anyway. Tell me it wasn't pretty funny though
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rangercaptain said:
Well I think we just lost our "FamilyFriendly" label.
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I don't know ... They looked like they were pretty friendly.....for family
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