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This is seriously the most bias review I have ever seen. He basically hates the phone because of the size and claims that it's not for anyone except Basketball players. Really?
Two local AT&T stores are currently sold out on this device. It's clearly selling. Zach should probably give up writing reviews and stick to opinion pieces.
http://www.bgr.com/2012/02/22/samsung-galaxy-note-review-the-smartphone-that-samsunged-samsung/
I've seen worse,
Is this the same review we discussed here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1495972
Edit: I see it has today's date. Guess he decided trashing it twice was better than once.
Yeah the initial review they did was pretty garbage, par for their site I guess, that's why I don't waste my time with them.
yeah the initial review was the "I've seen worse" lol
this is the same as seen in another thread. bgr are iphone fanboys anyhow.
unless you own an iphone there is no sense in even visiting that site..besides i think all the reviewwers there have freakishly small hands like the BK commercial..
Short man syndrome.
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unless you own an iphone there is no sense in even visiting that site..besides i think all the reviewwers there have freakishly small hands like the BK commercial..
Short man syndrome.
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Careful with the short man syndrome stuff... I got some small hands, am a short man, and would not give up the Note for anything! Why would I? I can use a tablet with any problems, I should definitely be able to use the Galaxy Note...
you know i honestly wonder if apple pays for sites like that.
Oh I dunno...he did stick with that stupid "they'll laugh at you". And if you're a fanatic of wanting to easily do things with just one hand, maybe the Note isn't for you. But almost the entire review was him praising the Note. I think the only other thing he was critical of was he wished they'd made the screen more smudge proof like on the S2.
But he did say if you wanted a large phone that would attract attention or a small tab, then this was def the phone for you. So I'm not exactly how biased against the phone he's being like Geller or whatever his name is.
I will say that this phone does indeed attract attention. My high school and middle school students were freaked out when they saw it on Mon and Tues. And the fellow teachers all wanted to play with it. I had it at the gym and a lot of people that saw it came up and asked what it was. A large percentage of them really liked it and were thinking about getting one because of the large screen to browse the web, play games, and work with files, etc.
I think not being able to text neatly with one hand is well worth all the benefits of this phone.
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you know i honestly wonder if apple pays for sites like that.
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I have seen strange things when it comes to competition in the market place.
That is all I am going to say....
codeworks said:
Careful with the short man syndrome stuff... I got some small hands, am a short man, and would not give up the Note for anything! Why would I? I can use a tablet with any problems, I should definitely be able to use the Galaxy Note...
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I meant no offense..
I'm believe the fact that I can't do a lot of things one handed easily as a bonus now. More times then not it simply stops me from using my phone when I really shouldn't.
Unfortunately, we are still living in an Apple world. It seems like more and more people are switching, and realizing that they've been duped into having a company tell them what's best for them. BGR is still under that company's spell.
This review wasn't nearly as bad as Johnathon's, but complaining about the size of smart phones nowadays is getting ridiculous. I could understand if it was an enormous brick, but it's more thin than the iP4.
Basically at this point, it does help to make a list of websites that are Apple-infested...and to avoid them completely. Obviously each click to their sites benefits them..so yeah.
I didn't bother opening the article...but seems like this other BGR guy also said no ones gonna buy the Note.
Based on 3 nearby at&t stores that I stopped by, they're currently sold out. When I asked them what kinds of people bought it, they said surprisingly iPhone people made the switch cuz they wanted the extra screen estate that's offered.
It really was a pretty fair review all the way up to the "size" paragraph. It will be hilarious looking back at the biased "journalism" of BGR and other iphanboi sites when the Note is finally recognized as a truly trendsetting device in about a year.
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this is exactly like the evo was a few years back. everyone thought it was massive. now its the standard
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Is this the same review we discussed here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1495972
Edit: I see it has today's date. Guess he decided trashing it twice was better than once.
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Exactly! I thought that his first post about the Note was ridiculous! He must have baby hands! That site is an iMachine anyway!
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But he did say if you wanted a large phone that would attract attention or a small tab, then this was def the phone for you. So I'm not exactly how biased against the phone he's being like Geller or whatever his name is.
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He's still making fun of the phone/people that buy it with that statement. It's not even remotely a positive comment.
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He's still making fun of the phone/people that buy it with that statement. It's not even remotely a positive comment.
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Then I guess you missed his comments on how he got a fulls day use out of one battery charge and how gorgeous the screen was and how fast it was and how nice the hardware looked? He actually listed a lot of good things about the Note.
And I don't see where he actually made fun of a person using the phone. He said it would attract attention and that it was a phone made for a basketball player but he never insulted anyone that would buy the phone. I think he even said if you shrunk it down about 20%, so that would drop it back down to around the 4.3/4.5" mark. So he's not exactly against phones larger than the iPhone.
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Then I guess you missed his comments on how he got a fulls day use out of one battery charge and how gorgeous the screen was and how fast it was and how nice the hardware looked? He actually listed a lot of good things about the Note.
And I don't see where he actually made fun of a person using the phone. He said it would attract attention and that it was a phone made for a basketball player but he never insulted anyone that would buy the phone. I think he even said if you shrunk it down about 20%, so that would drop it back down to around the 4.3/4.5" mark. So he's not exactly against phones larger than the iPhone.
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From his original "review" and his dumb comments on his twitter account, I honestly think he just threw in a couple of positives after taking so much heat for his original assessment so that he could look less biased. Just my opinion/theory.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/15/3022907/at-t-htc-one-x-blocked-at-us-customs-infringing-apple
Well, another step closer to Apple's plans for world domination... This **** is seriously getting out of hand.
This is one of many reasons why I WON'T buy an iPhone. It's seriously getting to the point that I want to write a letter to the courts and voice my opinion.
Some extremist needs to flat out take out the top 500 people in apples company. Put an end to their company once and for all. THEY DIDN'T INVENT THE PHONE! They STOLE THE IDEAS FROM OTHER PEOPLE! In my eyes, thieves should get a bullet to the head and that is what apple is doing. This entire patent system is getting out of control!
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/why-software-patents-are-a-joke-literally/2039
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They don't care about your opinion. You have to force them to care.
Just read that as well. I'm hoping, since I haven't seen it reported elsewhere, that it's BS. If its true, it's pretty unbelievable.
I hate apple, proud to say I own nothing of theirs and never will. Boycott apple, everyone stop buying their trash. They would eventually lose their foothold. This makes me sick to my stomach and I feel for those that preordered. It will be worth the wait. Remember this incident when your gazing at that new iproduct, don't do it!
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Just read that as well. I'm hoping, since I haven't seen it reported elsewhere, that it's BS. If its true, it's pretty unbelievable.
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http://allthingsd.com/20120515/ship...delayed-over-customs-concerns/?mod=googlenews
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Some extremist needs to flat out take out the top 500 people in apples company. Put an end to their company once and for all. THEY DIDN'T INVENT THE PHONE! They STOLE THE IDEAS FROM OTHER PEOPLE! In my eyes, thieves should get a bullet to the head and that is what apple is doing. This entire patent system is getting out of control!
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/why-software-patents-are-a-joke-literally/2039
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They don't care about your opinion. You have to force them to care.
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That's a good article. Reminds me of this one I read about the design of the Galaxy S III:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...irst-smartphone-designed-entirely-by-lawyers/
But really, I have a general hatred towards Apple just for things like this. They want to own a monopoly. If someone is chipping away at their market share even though they are still raking in billions of dollars, they will attack in any way possible instead of innovating and making their own products better. The only people getting hurt by this is us, the consumers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQM00e_8cUM
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I hate apple, proud to say I own nothing of theirs and never will. Boycott apple, everyone stop buying their trash. They would eventually lose their foothold. This makes me sick to my stomach and I feel for those that preordered. It will be worth the wait. Remember this incident when your gazing at that new iproduct, don't do it!
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Unfortunately, I own an iPad (as is obvious from my signature). At the time it came out there were (in my opinion, so please don't post "WHAT ABOUT THE XXXX??!!") no comparable Android tablets. Also unfortunately I can't justify buying another tablet based on my dislike (now bordering on, sigh, hate) of Apple. I only use my iPad for browsing, Kindle app, streaming video and music (that I didn't buy from iTunes) from my HTPC, and Netflix. So the sum total of money Apple made off me is from the hardware. And that won't be happening again anytime soon.
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Unfortunately, I own an iPad (as is obvious from my signature). At the time it came out there were (in my opinion, so please don't post "WHAT ABOUT THE XXXX??!!") no comparable Android tablets. Also unfortunately I can't justify buying another tablet based on my dislike (now bordering on, sigh, hate) of Apple. I only use my iPad for browsing, Kindle app, streaming video and music (that I didn't buy from iTunes) from my HTPC, and Netflix. So the sum total of money Apple made off me is from the hardware. And that won't be happening again anytime soon.
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I also unfortunately have the new iPad, but only because it was a gift for my college graduation/birthday. I mean I'm not going to turn down a great tablet, but I've bought maybe two apps and not planing on buying anymore, and one of them was a game I had already bought on Android. I only use it for web browsing really, I wish I could root it lol but I still hate Apple.
It's come to this...
Apple is who they wanted to destroy in '84. They are the big emotionless corporation enslaving the masses. Android came in and showed everyone the truth.
What a complete 180.
Reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8
Well, there goes any chance of finding the Evo LTE in stores on the release date.. Or for a while afterwards.
There was a comment on the article that someone made that they contacted Sprint about the delay on the Evo 4G LTE and they said that the delivery date will still be the 17th/18th. So it might have just been a particular shipment but it seems those who preordered will be getting it
I had no intention of buying the Evo LTE, but this really pisses me off.
Someone needs to address this broken patent system. And every single one if Apple's patents should be reviewed by someone who is not on Apple's payroll and is actually qualified for the task at hand.
This is beyond frustrating. It's time sure google to start defending their OS.
We need anon to just hack apple release an ios exploit that once used sells all stocks at apple for -1 dollars and spam there hq with troll faces
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F apple shiz.. always hated them
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There was a comment on the article that someone made that they contacted Sprint about the delay on the Evo 4G LTE and they said that the delivery date will still be the 17th/18th. So it might have just been a particular shipment but it seems those who preordered will be getting it
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I heard that they're already shipping too. It's because they would have already had the initial rollout within the country. It's after that shipment that we will see shortages.
Why innovate when you can litigate?
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Most of the iPhone and Mac users I know bought Apple products to be different from the masses and avoid greedy corporate conglomerates (ala Microsoft). Ironic how Apple has become the very beast that they sought to avoid.
On a side note, Apple's vague software patents should be nullified. Software patents in general are sketchy at best. Patent reform is greatly needed....technology innovation and choice will suffer greatly if something isn't done.
BTW, [email protected] Apple!
It appears Apple has won the case. The jury has said Samsung has infringed on the patents.
I put this here because I believe that it does relate to us as a community and the galaxy s2 but mods if you feel it isn't related to then close it.
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Yeah Sammy just got raped. There's a long appeal process ahead. But those fruit people potentially killed twiz
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Yeah Sammy just got raped. There's a long appeal process ahead. But those fruit people potentially killed twiz
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And hopefully brought a pure Android to Samsung future phones
If any of you guys follow Robert Scoble on G+, he just posted an interesting take on the outcome...
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If any of you guys follow Robert Scoble on G+, he just posted an interesting take on the outcome...
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And hopefully brought a pure Android to Samsung future phones
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Yeah We on XDA love that, but in reality it hurts Android in the long run with the "main stream" customer. I know like 6 girls who fit the apple mold and were iphone users, that switched to SGS3 recently because of it's features it offered over apple. Let's face it ASOP is for hardcore android people. Stock android isnt pretty enough and offer enoigh features for the average person. Look at what a lot of people on here complain about, wishing they could bring twiz camera to cm10 etc, in reality Android has a few more steps to go to get where it needs to be to compete in the general consumer arena, it needs skins, imo.
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And hopefully brought a pure Android to Samsung future phones
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Nexus S got dinged for 2 million. So they won't go pure android. Windows phone 8 maybe if MS stop being dicks to one of their best OEMs.
Meh, Samsung deserved it. Pretty damning internal memos basically saying "copy Apple".
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Meh, Samsung deserved it. Pretty damning internal memos basically saying "copy Apple".
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I get that but I mean what else can they do?
So don't the new I phones have a pull down status bar like android? Am I wrong or is that a rip off of Googles work? I dunno. Whatever. Fricking Apple kills me.
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Color a dodge challenger or a mustang yellow with black stripes. Most of the tools in the world will think its bumblebee.
People are stupid and our patent system is ****ed.
Yes Sammy did "copy" apple, but thats what must be done to be in the mainstream. and has ALWAYS been done.
Our patent system caused this, samsung didnt do anything wrong. IMO
Also, other than the square icons, and the chrome bezel, I see nothing that resembles an iphone. If it was a blatant copy, people would have a hard time identifying it.
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So don't the new I phones have a pull down status bar like android? Am I wrong or is that a rip off of Googles work? I dunno. Whatever. Fricking Apple kills me.
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It is different because of the way it works. It is just that small section of screen not the whole screen like android which makes it different enough.
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Color a dodge challenger or a mustang yellow with black stripes. Most of the tools in the world will think its bumblebee.
People are stupid and our patent system is ****ed.
Yes Sammy did "copy" apple, but thats what must be done to be in the mainstream. and has ALWAYS been done.
Our patent system caused this, samsung didnt do anything wrong. IMO
Also, other than the square icons, and the chrome bezel, I see nothing that resembles an iphone. If it was a blatant copy, people would have a hard time identifying it.
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+1 to this. If the idiot judge hadn't granted Apple those patent rights (on stuff they didn't develop, and which should have never been patentable in the first place) this case would have never happened to begin with.
Thinking about this, maybe I could file for patent on any display device that is rectangle and has a bezel with square corners and sue all monitor/televison manufacturers? hmmm
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So don't the new I phones have a pull down status bar like android? Am I wrong or is that a rip off of Googles work? I dunno. Whatever. Fricking Apple kills me.
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Yes. But that's an issue that Android has to deal with, not Samsung (which they are) The OS infringing done by Samsung had to do with Touchwiz, not Android directly (even though the features are found in stock android). And then there's the 'edge to edge glass with a button' and 'rectangle with rounded corners' patents. Yes, Apple was actually allowed to patent a form factor and a shape..
Regardless, every single Apple patent that the jury claimed was valid was ridiculous.
Motorola (Google) has already started filing suit against Apple not too long before this decision.
just wait till Apple patents the circle, triangle and trapezoid, then we're really screwed.
anyways, doesn't every friggin phone out have a large touch screen , edge to edge glass blah blah.
perhaps when the iphone5 comes out with a 4" screen, samsung can sue back since the galaxy has had a 4" screen for years.
funny if this all works out (apple banning samsung phones, while google banning apple phones), we'll only have LG and HTC left LOL
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just wait till Apple patents the circle, triangle and trapezoid, then we're really screwed.
anyways, doesn't every friggin phone out have a large touch screen , edge to edge glass blah blah.
perhaps when the iphone5 comes out with a 4" screen, samsung can sue back since the galaxy has had a 4" screen for years.
funny if this all works out (apple banning samsung phones, while google banning apple phones), we'll only have LG and HTC left LOL
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Theres gonna be a huge market for banned black market devices. I can see the ebayers wheels turning already
In the case of other manufacturers infringing, Apple only needs to win one case like this for other manufacturers to line up to pay for Apples bogus IP and all the rest will just be short court battles that Apple can win just by referencing this case. I do however definitely seeing this as being appealed and Samsung will most likely not end up with this bad of a final verdict. Its just too ridiculous to stand. I mean, SKorea and UK threw the Apple patents out, deemed them invalid! Only here in the US could Apple pull this off..
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just wait till Apple patents the circle, triangle and trapezoid, then we're really screwed.
anyways, doesn't every friggin phone out have a large touch screen , edge to edge glass blah blah.
perhaps when the iphone5 comes out with a 4" screen, samsung can sue back since the galaxy has had a 4" screen for years.
funny if this all works out (apple banning samsung phones, while google banning apple phones), we'll only have LG and HTC left LOL
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Precisely. There isn't much wiggle room with which an all touch device can be designed lol.
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SKorea and UK threw the Apple patents out, deemed them invalid! Only here in the US could Apple pull this off..
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The us had been behind in mobile technology for a long time. Now, if this verdict holds, the rest of the world will get the latest devices while we will all be stuck with either iPhones, phones that to avoid Apple's lawyers have to use technology that is five years old, or phones that cost much more than they do elsewhere because companies are paying to use Apple's "innovations".
The only thing this lawsuit does is to either take away excellent products away from US consumers or make them more expensive for us, while the rest of the world continues to enjoy superior product choices with better technology. The judge that granted these patents to Apple was incompetent.
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The us had been behind in mobile technology for a long time. Now, if this verdict holds, the rest of the world will get the latest devices while we will all be stuck with either iPhones, phones that to avoid Apple's lawyers have to use technology that is five years old, or phones that cost much more than they do elsewhere because companies are paying to use Apple's "innovations".
The only thing this lawsuit does is to either take away excellent products away from US consumers or make them more expensive for us, while the rest of the world continues to enjoy superior product choices with better technology. The judge that granted these patents to Apple was incompetent.
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Agreed but Apple just has to have their way. Reminds me of a spoiled brat tbh although I am not that educated on the issue
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I get that but I mean what else can they do?
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Develop an entirely new UI for their products, like HTC did with Sense even though I know that some or even many people dislike it for various reasons. But hey, let's face it: those Taiwainian guys brought something really new and pretty for Android users, even with all its minuses.
http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/24/apple-samsung-respond-september-20th-injunction-hearing/
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These threads should be banned, as they generate little to no actual discussion.
Sure, it sucks for Samsung. But a lot of what Apple went after them for at least made a little sense. Samsung blatantly copied Apple in many situations. And even if there were examples of prior technology that fit the case, Apple was able to show that Samsung intentionally copied Apple's work instead of basing work off of said prior technology.
Before we start a circlejerk of people condemning Apple and all of its employees to hell, please realize that this was a legitimate legal decision and the people who made this decision put a lot of thought into it. I'm not happy that Samsung lost either, but I also believe that they lost for a reason.
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These threads should be banned, as they generate little to no actual discussion.
Sure, it sucks for Samsung. But a lot of what Apple went after them for at least made a little sense. Samsung blatantly copied Apple in many situations. And even if there were examples of prior technology that fit the case, Apple was able to show that Samsung intentionally copied Apple's work instead of basing work off of said prior technology.
Before we start a circlejerk of people condemning Apple and all of its employees to hell, please realize that this was a legitimate legal decision and the people who made this decision put a lot of thought into it. I'm not happy that Samsung lost either, but I also believe that they lost for a reason.
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i agree with sorax64....part of Samsung success with galaxy s versions is that Samsung copied Apple's work...
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This is why i only buy HTC. If i wanted an iphone clone i would buy Samsung.
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This is why i only buy HTC. If i wanted an iphone clone i would buy Samsung.
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eric00716!!!! i agree with you bro
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This major win with a major competitor will only give birth to a whole new round of suits and new strategy that will probably lead to us being phucked over. The realization of apple being a monopoly is becoming ever more true. You think the bs we had to put up with when our EVOs were held in customs was crap, just wait. I see bad things heading our way. I know Samsung copied apple. We all said that awhile ago. But jeez, if the courts will agree with apple that a rectangle with rounded corners is copying, then what does that say for us?
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If I was running apples legal department I would Sue Samsung also they are tearing there sales apart all apple needs to do to dominate the market again is make more choices for there phone bigger screens easy hacking and better ui improvements come on apple dust off those thinking caps and make a new product instead of pumping out the same phone every year.
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Maybe apple deserved this one...but This sets precedent.for apple to go ape**** on everyone ..and they will...they just acquired another billion dollars ..enough to have a full time kill android legal team for 200 years
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Maybe apple deserved this one...but This sets precedent.for apple to go ape**** on everyone ..and they will...they just acquired another billion dollars ..enough to have a full time kill android legal team for 200 years
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Ha.. A billion dollars. Should be able to pay their lawyers with that.
It's not like Apple is going to be able to go willy nilly on other OEMs now. They don't have the resources for that, and if they keep it up, Google will eventually step in.
Exactly that's what I'm saying...apple isnt gonna stop at this..google is gonna need to get involved..which it looks like they did with the Motorola suit..everyone knows moto is an ip bank..
I wonder what type of phones the judge and members of the jury use?
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As much as I love Android, I kind of have to agree that some of the devices that Samsung were making did look like iFails. Hell, I think Touchwiz does. I will say though, that Apple suing anyone for stealing ideas when they themselves have done so repeatedly in the past is just bs.
Here's the break down of what was infringed. Placement of home button? Thin frame with rounded corners? Serious!? I'm no Samsung fan, but for the sake of our future of android devices I was rooting for Sammy.
http://m.engadget.com/2012/08/25/br...oom-victory-over-samsung/?icid=eng_latest_art
Hahaha its already begun:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30692579
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Like I.said..that's the scary part..they went to court with these bs patents and they won..now every phone that has those traits can be targeted..this is just the beggning im afraid..esp when its prob difficult to find a jury that isn't a iPhone or android user ..and its the patent that's the issue..once granted the court will uphold their decision..that's where reform needs to begin
I wouldn't worry. This will probably be overturned. A lot of mistakes by the jury.
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I can see it now. 10 minutes after the court case is over. The judge and jury walk back to their cars talking on their IPhones... Lol
WUESTSIDER X!
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This thread has turned out better than one from yesterday started by the "law school" guy
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This thread has turned out better than one from yesterday started by the "law school" guy
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That's like saying the dump you took today didn't smell as bad as the one you took yesterday.
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That's like saying the dump you took today didn't smell as bad as the one you took yesterday.
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Funny since a lot of people around here do believe that their chit don't stink.... :beer:
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This is a discussion about the Gs3's future sales after the announcement of the most popular phone on the market, there have already been numerous 'comparison' threads closed, lets not turn this into one of those.
After today's underwhelming announcement of the iPhone5, the people sitting on the fence about whether to switch to the Galaxy S3 or Note2 (or something else) have to make a decision.
I've been reading comments on Android fan sites, Apple fan sites, and 'Neutral' tech sites, and the general feeling I got from all of them is that the iPhone5 just hasn't done enough to persuade a lot of people to stick with them.
Now, obviously, this thing will sell like hotcakes for the people that don't know any different to make an educated decision / that actually like the iPhone anyway / have bought too heavily into the apple ecosystem to switch now.
But those that are in the know, like everyone who watched the olympics... the S3 was plastered all over the place ... and the people that were keeping up with the patent trials (anyone who reads the news) will now know that there are better offerings out there and most likely opt for a Gs3.
So, do you think we will see a significant boost from the already 20m phones already sold?
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Samsung has done a wonderful job with the SGS3 and I'm sure the sales will keep up for some time, but it's not easy to convert Apple fanboys to Samsung. I don't think the sales are going to rise much further. The iPhone caught up pretty good (at least in the eyes of casual users).
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Samsung has done a wonderful job with the SGS3 and I'm sure the sales will keep up for some time, but it's not easy to convert Apple fanboys to Samsung. I don't think the sales are going to rise much further. The iPhone caught up pretty good (at least in the eyes of casual users).
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Even those that have been sitting on the fence the last couple of months to see what Apple has to offer?
Also, a personal insight, my mom and sister got a gs3 shortly after release, and genuinely with no persuading from me. They aren't tech heads, but they knew a class phone when they seen it.
The guys waiting for today to make their decision i think will go galaxy.
i think so, seen people taking 99$ deal on amazon right now
it will not be huge spike but there is going to be one.
for me the new iphone disappoint
no new tech or old favorites like fm radio, xenon flash, still LCD and only 4'
i mean 4.5 would have been fine
I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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My boss wanted to buy the iphone 5. He is very loyalty to Apple. But he started liking my S3. He already have doubts about buying iphone or not.
My mission: convert him into an android guy and wake him up to the reality
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I wouldn't under estimate the loyalty a large percentage of smartphone users have towards Apple. Most of us probably had an iPhone at one time and moved to Andriod because we expanded our knowedge to include other smartphones and made an informed decision. There are a lot of people that don't realize there are options and will still buy the iPhone 5. Not sure if they will sell 20M after what I saw today but I have learned to never under estimate people with loyalties...
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Of course, they'll sell shed loads. But the huge advertising campaign with the Olympics, the recent trial and those already on the fence should have the gs3 planted in their heads! I think Samsung will steal a good few of them.
Htc might get a wee jeg too if they get in the news regarding the lte patents (if that even happens)
Exciting times for sure.
I've cleaned up the mess fellas. Please remember to be polite and let's not get too far into the "you know what" discussion. :highfive:
A guy named John Pirsig (sp?) wrote a book titled, 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance' a couple of decades back. In it he proposes there are 'Romantic' and 'Classical' people. He and a friend rode across the US (in the book & maybe in real life) on bikes. He had a Harley and the friend a BMW. (patience, it's coming... ) When they rode up the Rockies, the bikes started playing up and while he stopped and worked on his bike, and finally realised it was the reduction in atmospheric pressure needing just a tweak to fix, his mate went and paid a small fortune in a town garage to get his BMW fixed.
Pirsig talked for a bit about those who want an end-result experience and those who wanted to enjoy the journey. Some people forever focus on the end result and miss all the learning and fun along the way, 'big picture' people for whom the nuts and bolts are a horror to be avoided at all costs - literally in the case of his BMW mate.
At the time, as a Helpdesk person, I realised most Mac users are Romantics, people for whom computers are very much NOT fun and who use them solely to get a result and because they have to. Windows users were often some of the same sort, using Windows simply because their work said they had to, but far more of them would, if the subject was explained in terms they understood, become interested in the process and learn to fix their own printer/Word/Excel issues etc.
Apple have polarised the world again with their same-old, same-old tactics. The recent court case against Samsung proves Apple have not lost their litigious attitude towards protecting things they stole in the first place. (WIMP from Rank Xerox) And again we are shown the division between the Romantics and the Classicals - these forums are full of Classicals - look around and you will see lots of people who post about how wonderful this or that version of a ROM is, only to upgrade instantly a new version or even a different ROM comes along.
For most XDA'ers, I think the journey IS the end result - we tend to be travelling along with no particular goal in mind apart from a nebulous 'perfect phone' concept, and if all the developers stopped producing new ROMs to try we'd be heartbroken.
The Apple is good enough for most Apple users, be it Mac, iPad or iPhone. We will never convince them otherwise because they have sipped at the Kool-Aid fountain and like most religious people, they cannot even SEE the contrary information. It doesn't matter if the new iPhone has an A5, A6, A15 or quad or dual, it will be better in their eyes because it powers an Apple. They don't MIND buying expensive corsds ands connectors of all kinds because it is for Apple.
And they definitely don't see an ongoing development process as being a thing of benefit - Apple has spent far too many dollars convincing their world that you don't ever upgrade your device software, you just buy a new device. It is the proud boast of many Apple users that their product is far more stable than Windows, but my old enemy Microsoft constantly produced product that would work (most of the time) on any PC made across a spread of about 10 years, while Apple only ever made software for a very specific hardware platform - if you like, MS made an OS while Apple made glorified Firmware.
The same scenario is happening right now with Android. Android is being made to support all kinds of devices, with a legion of eager supporters providing updates and fixes. (on more of a Linux model than a MS one) Apple will not produce an iOS6 for their old phones, just for the brand new one you have to pay a small fortune for. Samsung (and other Android vendors) are producing updates so you get more life from your phone, providing a level of support to their clients Apple has never tried to match.
And eventually, the numbers will tell - just as in the PC/Mac wars, Apple had to compromise in both hardware and software, (Intel chips and running Windows on Macs) they will find eventually their tactics fail them. In my opinion, Android is the up-and-coming world of phones and pads, and Apple is the dinosaur relying desperately on massive programming... sorry, I mean advertising to keep their victims... I mean customers, loyal.
I think there will be a swing away from Apple as the actuality of the new phone falls far short of expectations and even the glitz Apple will give things will not hide the fact that all they have done is copy what is already being sold for hundreds less. But don't go expecting those weaned on the Kool-Aid to be coming over any time soon - the religious always resist the encroaching reality checks of the real world.
And on a personal note? I LIKE Apple for their litigiousness and mean spirit. If they had been sensible back in the late 80's/early 90's, we'd all be using Macs and locked down so tight I wouldn't have had a 25 year computer career helping others. For more than 2 decades I've had a job description of, 'I'm a bloke, and I fix stuff' that would never have been possible if Apple had treated their customers as anything other than sheeple to be fleeced to the maximum. Their greed allowed PC's to develop and become what we see, and now Apple's greed and contempt will allow Android the space to grow and become the new ubiquitous OS for mobile devices.
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A guy named......
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I didn't quote it all for obvious reasons, but god damn it, that is the best comment I have seen on xda in months.
If I could thank you twice I would.
Hats off to you sir, you have made my day. :thumbup:
I'm also gonna link this in my signature.
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
^^ possibly the most eloquent post I have ever read. Bravo Sir.
Edit, nodstuff was too quick and got in the way..
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^^ possibly the most eloquent post I have ever read. Bravo Sir.
Edit, nodstuff was too quick and got in the way..
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Why thank you very much! I apprecia.....
Oh. You weren't talking about my post...
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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Why thank you very much! I apprecia.....
Oh. You weren't talking about my post...
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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*grins* In 1987 I bought an XT clone (1MB Ram, twin 5.25" FDD's - envy of the few I knew with PC's because I could put my programs floppy AND my data one in at the same time ) to write books. I was sick of having to re-type a page or more just to change a sentence. 3 months later the PC got me a new job supporting WPO's at 3 grand per year more than I was getting. and I still haven't written my SciFi books. Working on it now and of course, along comes bloody Samsung S3 with Android and I'm fighting against techo distractions again... le sigh...
Forums like XDA will help greatly with selling Android; some older members need to recall that they once didn't know stuff but mostly folk are very helpful and there is a LOT of info to be had here. Mind you, it suffers a bit from popularity - search for something you want to know and you get like 5000 threads to look through. Needs an Advanced Search function, or maybe I just haven't found it yet. And why can't I search on the entire Samsung S3 forum? le sigh...
I think the reaction from a number of sites about how the court case showed Apple users how they could get everything Apple offered for far less if they stepped away from the Kool-Aid spigot shows an interesting facet to the competition. I haven't seen such comment before, even for Mac/Pentium battles. Usually it was about the differences, not the fact you could get the same thing. It could make a difference, particularly if the members here make a point of posting such a view on any/all forums they are members on.
5th column... the ONLY Army to join...
It is surely a good day for people that knows stuff from the gadget world but for common people they are still awed no matter what. The power of Apple's marketing can even turn a pile of scrap metal into gold.
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I didn't quote it all for obvious reasons, but god damn it, that is the best comment I have seen on xda in months.
If I could thank you twice I would.
Hats off to you sir, you have made my day. :thumbup:
I'm also gonna link this in my signature.
"It's all in the game yo, all in the game..." - Omar Little
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I'm gonna quote that to my signature too.-
bbc news, sky news.... ripping into the iPhone. They say it boring, more of the same... and they mention the s3 a few times in each article.
This is big.
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bbc news, sky news.... ripping into the iPhone. They say it boring, more of the same... and they mention the s3 a few times in each article.
This is big.
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Source?
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Journyman16 said:
A guy named John Pirsig (sp?) wrote a book ...
Excellent, tanks
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CuBz90 said:
Source?
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just Search : iPhone 5: Consumer Anger Over £25 Adaptor
I'd link but not allowed :fingers-crossed:
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http://news.sky.com/story/984469/new-iphone-is-more-of-the-same-from-apple
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19557497