I gotta say it how it is. Your wasting time and energy trying to change their minds about the subject. HTC is clueless and most likely will be bought out before the end of the year. Don't fret though you have options. For one, we got some great developers here working to make honeycomb better and bring us ICS and Jelly Bean. But if you can't stand your flyer anymore and don't wanna hold out for our developers, then welcome to the era of cheap tablets! The Flyer is still worth some bucks on ebay, if you got a 32gig model with a pen you can get over 200 for it easy. And with that you could grab a Nexus 7 or Gtab2.
I know where you guys are coming from and trust me I was there too. I was looking for an affordable tablet with decent specs and passed over several other nice tablets because this was an HTC and I expected more from it. I didn't expect an ics update but I thought I'd like honeycomb more, and when I saw this tablet for $200 and honeycomb I was all about it.
We've already tried everything from spamming their Facebook page to online petitions. HTC is cleaning their slate and trying to start over with the one series. Will it work? Probably not because they are pissing off alot of customers on the process and it's too little too late for HTC. Sense 4 is a step in the right direction but it's still a far departure from stock ics and still too intrusive, and since the galaxy s3 launch you've heard very little about the one series.
Just remember you can always cut your losses and buy another tablet. That's what finally calmed me down, realizing that.
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Or you can enjoy the Flyer for what it is. I'm perfectly happy with my Flyer and can see myself holding on to it for another year or so. It does what I wanted then I bought it. A year from now I'll probably start looking for something a bit faster. Let's face it: no Android update is going to put a Tegra 3 into this device. But for now, my Flyer is just great, than you very much.
Its my eBook reader. And being an HTC fanboy for so long (7 years?), I'm going to steer away from them. Google branded nexus devices are best imo, in terms of updates and such. I've bought too many devices from HTC in the past 3-4 years that have been abandoned by them just soon after release.
I like my Flyer the way it is. And it does what it's supposed to. But it doesn't change the fact that, should it be updated to ICS, it will move faster that on HC, be compatible with more apps, and all in all, be better.
To me, it's a pity it's not updated. It's not the end of the world, it's just... sad.
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Or you can enjoy the Flyer for what it is. I'm perfectly happy with my Flyer and can see myself holding on to it for another year or so. It does what I wanted then I bought it. A year from now I'll probably start looking for something a bit faster. Let's face it: no Android update is going to put a Tegra 3 into this device. But for now, my Flyer is just great, than you very much.
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+1 I am in love with my flyer. I too enjoy the flyer for what it is and will be holding onto it as it does what I wanted when i bought it. the only thing I wish I had was chrome browser (hopefully will get that as soon as Lisbon is fully developed). I think I just need to stop reading posts that make me feel that I should be dissatisfied when i am in fact very satisfied. I also need to stop reading post whereas it's as if HTC owes me something more for what I purchased. well maybe they do and maybe they don't but it does get tiresome reading complaints about it when in fact either nothing is going to be done about it or the complaints are made to those who can't do anything about it. and before I get screamed on - I know that this is a forum and it's purpose is to voice your opinion as often and as loud as you want. it's just that I want people to show the flyer some love. so now that I've had my say (which is really just said tongue in cheek) I would just like to say "can't we all just get along?"
Glad you guys can because if we didn't have developers I would of sold mine after 3 months. It your choice of gigantic phone or tablet ui slower than an atari 2600. Just sayin lol.
I'll be fair in saying gingerbread isn't bad but the Google apps running in phone mode and looking hideous kill it for me
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At any rate I'm enjoying mine now. Got mine on ioidroid senseless honeycomb, found an old version of adw ex where the tablet ui displays correctly and, I got things pretty spartan on it, and it works and its fast too. Overall for me the goal is to have an Android tablet that's fast and usable, not necessarily up to date
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to be honest I am not happy with the lack of software updates but I have not found a replacement 7" tablet on the market that can replace my Flyer's functionality. So I may not buy another HTC device, but if I am being honest it is a featured packed device that handles nearly every task you can throw at it. Now I didnt pay full price, and I likely would be more upset if I did, but for the $299 I paid for mine it is a very nice device.
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Glad you guys can because if we didn't have developers I would of sold mine after 3 months. It your choice of gigantic phone or tablet ui slower than an atari 2600. Just sayin lol.
I'll be fair in saying gingerbread isn't bad but the Google apps running in phone mode and looking hideous kill it for me
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well to be honest my love for the flyer is mainly due to the devs (and I prefer honeycomb over gingerbread). but the way that I see it is to just make the best of the situation at hand. if you can move on then by all means move on. if you can't afford to then make the best of what you have. and if you are sticking around for the sake of sticking around then please don't cry along the way and bring others down. And I'm not speaking of anyone in particular, please I don't want to make any enemies here. I come here for the fun of it not to chastise anyone (if I wanted to do that I have three children) or to be chastised (I have a wife for that)
When I find a decent tablet with a phone that takes a SIM card, I'll be all over it. That Samsung looks promising but I don't know if it'll take a SIM card.
Yeah I can't complain, my flyer cost me $200, and if I had waited for the Nexus 7 I wouldn't have the money now because my wife would of spent it on something else lol. That's married life for ya. At any rate I've gotten my money's worthy out of it and I got it running pretty fast. Just sick of the recent rally to try and get ics from htc again, didn't we just go through this a couple of months ago? It's a lost cause if you really want ics you either need to cut your losses or just be patient with our developers because it's not like one person decided not to update the flyer, a board of directors and a lot of other people did, and there simply aren't enough flyer owners to have any pull with HTC anyway
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I like my flyer, it is great for browsing and casual computing. I love the capacity of the unit and the expandability. It does everything I need. I'm still on GB; I never thought that HC was that good for a 7 inch tablet.
It's not really designed for 7 inch tabs no doubt. Really I'd be fine with gingerbread if the Google apps were just tablet optimized. Jelly bean addresses the need for a separate tablet ui for 7 inch tabs but imo they didn't put much thinking into it as you now have 2 black bars instead of 1
Also the phone launcher just sucks imo. Should of kept the honeycomb launcher and kept the buttons where they put them but no bar just buttons.
But on that note if we can get jelly bean with virtual buttons disabled it might just be perfect for our old tablet
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I don't care if HTC is going to be bought by someone, I'm going to keep trying to get the update. I might not get it, but at least they'll have to see what they've done written at their facebook pages and many more will know. Call it revenge, vendetta, whatever you want, I don't care, I own 4 Sensations too, and I've been a loyal HTC customer for years... and I have never been in this situation before. I can understand HTC not updating a device released two years ago, but the Flyer was released a year ago and ICS 6 months later.
And they're lying at us saying the tablet is optimized for Honeycomb... I don't like it when people lie to me.
Here in Europe the Flyer 3g was sold at 700€. That's 848 US $ at today's exchange rate... It's not a cheap device and it should have the update to something presented 6 months after Flyer was released. Don't you think???
I agree, my flyer cost USD 700. Not so fortunate. I really appreciate your effort.
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I purchased the Flyer because of its pen functionality and what it could do out of the box. Anyone who's ever purchased an Android phone knows that most devices only see one major software update. The Flyer got Honeycomb, which was no small feat. To my knowledge, HTC was the only OEM to update a tablet from Android 2.3 to Android 3.0. For a half second, I contemplated getting the Nexus 7, but I can't bear the thought of losing my pen functionality simply to say that I have a faster tablet with the latest version of Android.
I take issue with the statement that HTC will be bought out by the end of the year. While HTC has suffered a huge loss in the past three quarters, the company's revenue and profits are still solid. If HTC were a U.S. traded company, it would rank between 150-180 in the fortune 500 list and its YTD 2012 profits would be comparable to CBS, Progressive and Sysco.
Yeah but they still are clueless at what people want. Take the one series. Where are the sd cards and removable batteries? And why does the att version have half the storage? Why does sense 4.0 still have a gingerbreadish looking notification bar? Who gives a rats ass about beats by Dre?
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Who gives a rats ass about beats by Dre?
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Apparently HTC doesn't since they decided not to meet financial obligations to Beats....
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To my knowledge, HTC was the only OEM to update a tablet from Android 2.3 to Android 3.0.
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See also: Dell Streak 7....
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Apparently HTC doesn't since they decided not to meet financial obligations to Beats....
See also: Dell Streak 7....
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Well, they never updated my 4g dell streak!
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... Anyone who's ever purchased an Android phone knows that most devices only see one major software update....
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well, my first android phone (X10i) went from 1.6 -> 2.1 and eventually to 2.3.3 even though SE at the time was not know for their great support in regards to updating firmwares.
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So... It looks as though Hero development may end with Gingerbread (2.3). Honeycomb (3.0) looks very tablet orientated and some devs are already stating it may be hard to port it.
My question is, after the resilient little Hero, what would be the next best handset to move to? A lot of people have mentioned the Desire HD or the Desire Z, but I'd like to hear from you guys, what do you think?
Update: I prefer a HTC handset myself, but which would be a good one to move to for the next set of decent ROMs??
I also believe, that after getting fully operational 2.3 with 2.6.35 kernel it will be pretty much it
Contracts are ending (I have one more year to go), developers are moving to other projects.
I hope that we will have one day "[GPL][2.3][2.6.35]Final Rom for hero".
After hero? Well, perhaps some crazy samsung device (although their quality isn't as good as HTC). I'm sure I'll stick with android, one of the best choices ever made
cheers!
I'll keep my Hero until a Tegra 2 device is realeased
I'm going to hang on to my hero for as long as possible... But I'm starting to think the Nexus S might be the next decent handset to move to, no-ones started developing ROMs yet though... Although I did notice Cyanogen had created a thread in his forum for it
I think 2.3 is maximum for Hero. Honeycomb is likely their requirements opportunities Hero.
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I'm going to hang on to my hero for as long as possible... But I'm starting to think the Nexus S might be the next decent handset to move to, no-ones started developing ROMs yet though... Although I did notice Cyanogen had created a thread in his forum for it
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I take that back!!! Nexus S is a Samsung handset, and got a fairly "meh" review on The Register.
It's a personal issue; I just don't like Samsung phones!!
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I'll keep my Hero until a Tegra 2 device is realeased
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I have to admit, this looks like the root (sorry!) I'm most likely to take.
The Nexus S seems to be a decent choice
But after putting froyo on my hero for the first time and seeing how fast it became, I think I can wait for the next reference phone
Hopefully, the next one will have a full RGB AMOLED instead of the Pentile PoS on the current Nexus S
On my next phone I'm looking for:
Tegra 2 or similar, perhaps dual core hummingbird with dedicated gpu
300+ dpi RGB AMOLED screen
Proper capacitative multitouch
Hard buttons
NO FINGERPRINT MAGNET, minimal gloss&plastic, good materials
In any case, would Honeycomb be for tablets? I assumed that honeycomb won't come to phones
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I'll keep my Hero until a Tegra 2 device is realeased
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yep, same hear, dual core is the way forward.
I plan to run the hero, cancel my TMO contract and get a giffgaff PAYG sim until a decent Tegra2 (preferrably HTC!) comes to the market.
not sure if i'd go back on contract or stick with giffgaff...i'll see how they perform, then buy the handset sim free (ouch?!?)
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In any case, would Honeycomb be for tablets? I assumed that honeycomb won't come to phones
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personally, i think there will be a version of Honeycomb for phones, when the dual core handsets become more readily available. maybe a 'cut down' version.
i have Hero for like 8 months now. Pretty good phone, but still a little bit slow, only compared to other smartphones (but as a phone, it is great).
But yesterday i bought SGS.
for my girlfriend. i hate world
Sorry, what's an SGS?
Uopdate: OH! Samsung Galaxy S?
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it depends on your needs i think. if you're flashjunky like me our hero will end soon i think because the processors won't be enough soon.
and also be careful about screen, only desire (not z nor hd) has amoled screen. so for better screen sharpness, you may get desire for now. and also it gets great scores
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So... It looks as though Hero development may end with Gingerbread (2.3). Honeycomb (3.0) looks very tablet orientated and some devs are already stating it may be hard to port it.
My question is, after the resilient little Hero, what would be the next best handset to move to? A lot of people have mentioned the Desire HD or the Desire Z, but I'd like to hear from you guys, what do you think?
Update: I prefer a HTC handset myself, but which would be a good one to move to for the next set of decent ROMs??
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I have to smile. Fertile has a year left on his contrast, and knowing him he'll find plAces to take it.
hush...
When i change my Hero, i will to buy a HTC Desire.
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good point.
What would you replace your hero with ??????
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good point.
What would you replace your hero with ??????
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It's looking like a HTC Desire at the moment. I was told to avoid the Desire and go for a Desire HD or Desire Z. Not sure why though, the Desire is the only one of the three with an AMOLED display...
I've had the Hero for just over a year now, and honestly, jailbreaking it has given it a new lease of life. That said though, it's definitely not gonna get 3.0 by the looks of things, and I'd rather not get left behind in terms of software updates. I will likely get an HTC or a Samsung; both companies make good hardware that's pretty powerful. I have considered buying a Nexus S outright, but it's kinda beyond my budget right now...
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I've had the Hero for just over a year now, and honestly, jailbreaking it has given it a new lease of life. That said though, it's definitely not gonna get 3.0 by the looks of things, and I'd rather not get left behind in terms of software updates. I will likely get an HTC or a Samsung; both companies make good hardware that's pretty powerful. I have considered buying a Nexus S outright, but it's kinda beyond my budget right now...
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Completely agree with you. I bought a Hero when my iPhone went t*ts up.
But my concern was that the newer versions of Android are going to require faster hardware and there will come a point where the Hero just won't be able to cut it anymore. So what's the next best handset to go up to? At the moment a HTC Desire
Well, it's looking like either Nexus S, or Desire for me =P
I just got off the phone with tech support and it isn't on their system...of course, it is tech support and usually, they are some of the last people to know. But, considering how hard it is to upgrade to the leaked version, do you think HTC can take on the challenge and make the update fairly pain free?
Given the fact that we were told "Honeycomb would be released soon after launch" ... I'm not holding my breath and it really is unfortunate.
Can't even get ahold of the stock RUU for the US WiFi Flyer due to HTC's lack of updates.
My gut feeling, is they wouldn't have put all the effort into making a working HC ROM, if they weren't going to release it. Remember, the leak was beta. Presumably, it will take some time to go from beta to the release/final version. Maybe we'll see a leak for that. Even then, there is some lag time between when the final version is finished, and it actually starts getting pushed out.
From the HC install guide thread on Modaco:
If you're wondering 'why so many steps and why don't we just run the ruu'? There are 2 main reasons - firstly is the fact that you need s-off, which is generally the revolutionary bootloader, which protects itself from being overwritten - a problem as the new bootloader is necessary for HC. The second reason is that flashing RUU or rom.zip updates your misc partition version tag, which can seriously limit your options should something go wrong and / or you need to roll back to Gingerbread.
For the official HC update, it would seem that neither of these issues apply, so the official update process would probably be much easier.
Very unfortunate because the beta HC from HTC is very close but has enough bugs to keep me from using it. No US RUU means you cannot try out the beta and get back to stock and since Google refused to release HC source, not much chance a 3rd party custom ROM will fix problems like camera issues and other things on HC.
My suggestion for everyone to this repeating question, whether they take it is up to the individual, keep bugging @htc and @HTCUSA on twitter (if you have a twitter account)... Or find their facebook page and ask there. Those are usually worked by PR or CS instead of tech support.
Demand usually gets a result.
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Here is what I asked them...
"Being the owner of several HTC Phones and enjoying their build quality, I recently purchased a HTC Flyer, thinking it would (as promised) get updated to Honeycomb.
Now, some web sites are reporting the flyer will not be updated.
I am now approaching my 30 day return window, so my question is, do I need to return my Flyer and buy something like the Samsung?
I really like HTC products but, I do want a device that (as promised) will get updated."
This was their reply ...
"Gary, We very much appreciate your loyalty to HTC and understand how it can be frustrating awaiting announced updates, especially when they take longer than anticipated to come out. We ask for your patience as the update is being developed and tested for your device. Thank you again!"
Guess we'll see
Edit ... I just sent this ...
"Thank you for your quick reply. As you know the official announcement was on Feb 11, 8 months ago saying the update to Honeycomb would be coming soon. The Flyer is approuching 1 year old and still no update. It seems like I may have to return my flyer and try another product. Thanks, Gary"
I am on the edge too about returning my Flyer. Friday is the last day I have to return it back to Best Buy.
I was generally more impressed with how HTC handled updates than Samsung, but seeing how this device has not recieved HC yet, I'm very much doubting that it will ever receive ICS. I am so much more interested in ICS than HC anyways. So I am thinking that I should return the Flyer and buy a newer tablet, Say the soon to be relased Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus which would have a much better chance of seeing an ICS update.
I really love the Flyer, but I am looking towards keeping a tablet for the long term...
The Toshiba Thrive 7 looks promising, but I fear a lack of dev support. Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus then???
I'm leery of Samsung since they are being battered by Apple to the point of delaying their Google / Samsung joint next big thing that was scheduled for Oct.11. I don't expect you'll see ICS on a tablet for a long time since Google hasn't even released the Application layer yet and that's the easy part. After that the HW vendors have to do the kernels and drivers and that's what taking so long with HC right now.
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I am on the edge too about returning my Flyer. Friday is the last day I have to return it back to Best Buy.
I was generally more impressed with how HTC handled updates than Samsung, but seeing how this device has not recieved HC yet, I'm very much doubting that it will ever receive ICS. I am so much more interested in ICS than HC anyways. So I am thinking that I should return the Flyer and buy a newer tablet, Say the soon to be relased Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus which would have a much better chance of seeing an ICS update.
I really love the Flyer, but I am looking towards keeping a tablet for the long term...
The Toshiba Thrive 7 looks promising, but I fear a lack of dev support. Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus then???
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Talk to current galaxy tab 7 wifi users about Samsung and their updates. That tablet is a year old and hasn't received gingerbread yet. You'll always be playing that game. Buy a tablet for what it has now, not what It's going to have. Be grateful that we have a stable ROM that works well. Dell Streak owners were pushing for 3.2, now half of them are reporting bugs and others are reverting to froyo. I rather them take the time to get it right. A beta build means they're working on it.
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I am on the edge too about returning my Flyer. Friday is the last day I have to return it back to Best Buy.
I was generally more impressed with how HTC handled updates than Samsung, but seeing how this device has not recieved HC yet, I'm very much doubting that it will ever receive ICS. I am so much more interested in ICS than HC anyways. So I am thinking that I should return the Flyer and buy a newer tablet, Say the soon to be relased Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus which would have a much better chance of seeing an ICS update.
I really love the Flyer, but I am looking towards keeping a tablet for the long term...
The Toshiba Thrive 7 looks promising, but I fear a lack of dev support. Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus then???
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I too like the Flyer but, I think I’ll go with the Lenovo ThinkPad … already has HoneyComb and a much better Notes app.
HDMI and full size usb ports
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...3A2177ABA63564CDF6AE8CD837B3&tabname=Features
Yeah.... no, I tried to like the big 10 inch. I had a Asus Transformer which worked great, but no, just couldn't really love lugging a huge slate. I have a laptop which is much more capable for lugging. SO I am really digging the Flyer
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I too like the Flyer but, I think I’ll go with the Lenovo ThinkPad … already has HoneyComb and a much better Notes app.
HDMI and full size usb ports
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...3A2177ABA63564CDF6AE8CD837B3&tabname=Features
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But have you actually use it? I haven't tried the flyer..but the Thinkpad tablet I have an eval unit right now in front of me and it's horrible!...main issue I have with it is that it's really sluggish...and big!...also, palm rejection probably works like 70% of the time..so as I take some notes..I get specks of dots/lines around where my palm is...
I'm not impressed by the stylus pen so far. Maybe it is much better like they say in HC, but I haven't used it yet, so that was a waste of money.
The Flyer itself is awesome. Good hardware, quality build, great HTC Sense overlay on top of GB. I do like it.
I was unaware that Samsung hadn't released an update for the wifi tab after so long. That is discouraging. But I would really like a device that will see ICS.
If the flyer was dual core and or had a slightly higher resolution screen, I'd definately keep it. But right now I'm still debating.
All HTC needs to do is update their gingerbread built to support pen in any applications users wants it to work..and I think most user would be happy..
That seems to be the issue I've been hearing about the Flyer GB build? Is that right?
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Yeah.... no, I tried to like the big 10 inch. I had a Asus Transformer which worked great, but no, just couldn't really love lugging a huge slate. I have a laptop which is much more capable for lugging. SO I am really digging the Flyer
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Same here. If I can't put it in my back pocket I don't want it.
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aarick said:
All HTC needs to do is update their gingerbread built to support pen in any applications users wants it to work..and I think most user would be happy..
That seems to be the issue I've been hearing about the Flyer GB build? Is that right?
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I only really have two complaints about the GB Flyer vs. HC. other than the pen.
1. The Sense widgets are huge on GB and the screen grid layout is sized for a phone, not a table. HC looks so much better.
2. The browser in HC seamlessly syncs bookmarks with desktop Chrome and other settings automatically are backed up in a much better fashion than GB.
aarick said:
All HTC needs to do is update their gingerbread built to support pen in any applications users wants it to work..and I think most user would be happy..
That seems to be the issue I've been hearing about the Flyer GB build? Is that right?
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I really doubt that HTC will update Flyer. I sent email to them asking about that. Their answer is not satisfying me. They say that I should wait, if there is update I will get a notification. That is really a bad answer !!!
The reason I bought Flyer is for Magic stylus. But, I am really dissapointed. There is no handwriting recognition. I may not need update, but surely I need apps that can maximize the use of stylus....
Cheers...
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But have you actually use it? I haven't tried the flyer..but the Thinkpad tablet I have an eval unit right now in front of me and it's horrible!...main issue I have with it is that it's really sluggish...and big!...also, palm rejection probably works like 70% of the time..so as I take some notes..I get specks of dots/lines around where my palm is...
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That happens sometimes with the Flyer too. They're both based on the same technology, but Lenovo's has handwriting recognition.
I do love the 7 inch form factor but, man, the Lenovo tablets are looking really attractive right now, especially with both a stylus and a keyboard.
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I'm not impressed by the stylus pen so far. Maybe it is much better like they say in HC, but I haven't used it yet, so that was a waste of money.
The Flyer itself is awesome. Good hardware, quality build, great HTC Sense overlay on top of GB. I do like it.
I was unaware that Samsung hadn't released an update for the wifi tab after so long. That is discouraging. But I would really like a device that will see ICS.
If the flyer was dual core and or had a slightly higher resolution screen, I'd definately keep it. But right now I'm still debating.
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Sorry for the little bit off-topic.
Samsung did upgrade my ex-galaxy tab 7 with GB 3 months ago. After the upgrade, things were smoothly but the chip is still 1G.. playing HD games were still slow. Anyways, I already sold it and bought the 10.1 and it was much faster... and nicer but too big for me.. and I sold it too after I saw a price drop for the flyer.
I am thinking to get the flyer since I really enjoy smaller tablet. 10.1 was nice but too big for me and my kids. I am thinking
1) flyer
2) galaxy tab 7+ (good size dual-core, HC ready and possible ICS in the future)
3) galaxy tab 8.9 (my prefer - I have tried it @best buy, really love the size HC + touchwiz was cool)
may I ask someone who have the flyer
1) do you see/feel any slowness playing games? since it is single-core. my ex-tab 7 was slow sometime.. but my 10.1 was so smooth.
2) how is the pen? my sons like to draw, is it worth to pay 80 bucks to get the pen?
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
So now it turns out that the screen is broken on my Evo3D (bottom part of the touchscreen is irresponsible to touches) this is after the whole motherboard got replaced after I had the phone for a month, so my carrier will probably let me have a new phone, though I might have to cough up 50-100$ myself...
Not sure what I should get though, so I'd appreciate some input!
I could get an Evo3d for free, but my faith is HTC just isn't what it used to be. It's not just the poor quality of the Evo3D I'm talking about (the touchscreen issue seems to be fairly common) it's also the fact that HTC is making us Evo3D owners wait until at least summertime to get ICS update, which is just unacceptable for what was sold as a top of the line phone...
Moto RAZR
They'd give me the Droid RAZR for 50 bucks, and I'm pretty tempted, since it looks like a nice phone. A great SAMOLED+ QHD screen (Yes I know about the pentile), expandable up to 48gb, a pretty good camera, and super thin Kevlar surface all line up for a pretty sweet package. The only thing kinda holding me back, is that the SGX540 GPU in it is kinda old, battery life is supposed to be just average, and the camera, while good, isn't as good as in the Samsung GSII or iPhone 4S.
Galaxy Nexus
I miiight be able to get a Galaxy Nexus or Galaxy Note if I cough up 100-200$ but not sure if I should go for it. Yes, it has an awesome screen and ICS, but whatever Android phone I get will have ICS in the next 3 months or so. The downside is a kinda old CPU/GPU combo (OMAP4430 and SGX540), a 5 mp camera, average battery life and only 16gb storage.
iPhone
Depending on what I'm willing to spend, they'll let me have an iphone4 for free, or 4S if I put down some cash. Between 50 and 200$ all depending on the 16/32/64 gb model. Now I know the iPhone option is kinda controversial, and if you had asked me a year ago, I'd never get an iPhone. But lately, I've gotten kinda disillusioned with Android. Even on a high end model like the Evo3D or SGSII isn't as smooth as iOS, and lag, even if very slight, is almost always present if you go to a list, for example. Theres also the issue of hardware quality and service. The last six months I've spent a couple dozen hours either trying to get an Android phone fixed, fixing issues with it, or taking it to repairs hops and waiting days or weeks for it to be repaired. With Apple you don't have to deal with all of that. They DO give really, really great service. If you take a broken phone to the Apple store, they often just outright replace it, and that counts for something IMHO.
I've had an ipad2 for the past 5 months, and I've really gotten to appreciate how fast and smooth the experience is, and how everything just works. The other advantages would be iMessage/FaceTime, which is really cool, having my phone work great together with my iPad, and the whole Apple ecosystem. Cameras are also top of the line, from what I've seen, and battery life is really good.
I know of the downsides with getting an iPhone, the biggest one would be the 3.5 inch screen. No matter how awesome, bright and sharp it is, it will take some getting used to, to go from a 4.3 inch screen to a 3.5 inch screen.
Other phones, like a Samsung or HTC are also available for me to get, this is just my top3. I'd really appreciate your input, and let me know what phone you'd get next in my situation... Thanks!
Based on your phone listing's looks like you have the GSM version. I would go with either the GN or the Note if it is not to big for you.
The GSM GN has pretty good battery life from what I have seen. The CDMA is not as good which is that I own. Needs the extended battery on CDMA to get decent life. There are a lot of people with the GSM version who get an average of 5 hours on-screen time. To me that is some pretty good battery life.
The downside like you said is only 16gigs of storage on the GSM GN without an SD slot. I just do not get that at all! Why only 16 on a device that cannot be expanded! Luckily the CDMA version came with 32gigs.
I owned the CDMA EVO 3D back in the day, then went to the Epic 4G touch which blows the 3D away. The GN is more in a league with the SGS2 then the EVO 3D. The GN is super smooth.
I personally stay away from Moto's, especially if you like to flash things...
I have been really fortunate not to have any trouble with my evo 3d. I also had the og evo before the 3d.
My next phone will not be htc though. Im very disappointed about ics being pushed back.
Anyway, from your list of phones to choose from i would not hesitate on switching. To the galaxy nexus. Ive had a chance to play around with it a few times and really love it. Updates will always be faster to and of course it comes with the new chip for mobile purchasing. Really comes down to your personal preference and needs really. Your listed phones are all great products. I will never purchase an apple product, but i know a lot of people that love them. Good luck to you.
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I have been really fortunate not to have any trouble with my evo 3d. I also had the og evo before the 3d.
My next phone will not be htc though. Im very disappointed about ics being pushed back.
Anyway, from your list of phones to choose from i would not hesitate on switching. To the galaxy nexus. Ive had a chance to play around with it a few times and really love it. Updates will always be faster to and of course it comes with the new chip for mobile purchasing. Really comes down to your personal preference and needs really. Your listed phones are all great products. I will never purchase an apple product, but i know a lot of people that love them. Good luck to you.
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There's no way of telling about the updates. Google's last flagship device has been completely ignored and won't get ICS. Doesn't really matter to me as I have faith in the xda community to get any updates on to it.
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There's no way of telling about the updates. Google's last flagship device has been completely ignored and won't get ICS. Doesn't really matter to me as I have faith in the xda community to get any updates on to it.
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What is Google's last flagship device that is not getting ICS?
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What is Google's last flagship device that is not getting ICS?
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Nexus S. Some of the gsm nexus s models got ics and there was a leak of an ics updates for the 4g... After that no updates..... Yet...
Any high end HTC, that is if you like and value Dev support here on XDA
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Galaxy Nexus or Galaxy S2 i9100. Those two phones are by far the best supported phones development wise on this site. It's only going to get bigger with the GS2 likely decreasing if the GS3 makes a big enough impact.
No HTC phone besides the Sensation compares development wise right now. A few legacy devices here and there, but for the specs, the two phones I mentioned above cannot be beat right now.
I'm in the same boat, well I'm selling mine, I'm so disappointed in HTC, too many freezing up and restarting by itself on stock rom, moving on
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Galaxy Nexus or Galaxy S2 i9100. Those two phones are by far the best supported phones development wise on this site. It's only going to get bigger with the GS2 likely decreasing if the GS3 makes a big enough impact.
No HTC phone besides the Sensation compares development wise right now. A few legacy devices here and there, but for the specs, the two phones I mentioned above cannot be beat right now.
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Thanks! The one thing I REALLY liked about the Evo was the QHD screen. So I really don't want to go back to an 800*480 screen. The Moto Razr and Galaxy Nexus have pretty much the same CPU/GPU right? OMAP 4430/60
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Thanks! The one thing I REALLY liked about the Evo was the QHD screen. So I really don't want to go back to an 800*480 screen. The Moto Razr and Galaxy Nexus have pretty much the same CPU/GPU right? OMAP 4430/60
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They more or less are the same CPU. I would head over to the Galaxy Nexus forums and learn more about their processor and how it actually is a pretty remarkable in performance. Google picked out nice specs for their flagship.
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So now it turns out that the screen is broken on my Evo3D (bottom part of the touchscreen is irresponsible to touches) this is after the whole motherboard got replaced after I had the phone for a month, so my carrier will probably let me have a new phone, though I might have to cough up 50-100$ myself...
Not sure what I should get though, so I'd appreciate some input!
I could get an Evo3d for free, but my faith is HTC just isn't what it used to be. It's not just the poor quality of the Evo3D I'm talking about (the touchscreen issue seems to be fairly common) it's also the fact that HTC is making us Evo3D owners wait until at least summertime to get ICS update, which is just unacceptable for what was sold as a top of the line phone...
Moto RAZR
They'd give me the Droid RAZR for 50 bucks, and I'm pretty tempted, since it looks like a nice phone. A great SAMOLED+ QHD screen (Yes I know about the pentile), expandable up to 48gb, a pretty good camera, and super thin Kevlar surface all line up for a pretty sweet package. The only thing kinda holding me back, is that the SGX540 GPU in it is kinda old, battery life is supposed to be just average, and the camera, while good, isn't as good as in the Samsung GSII or iPhone 4S.
Galaxy Nexus
I miiight be able to get a Galaxy Nexus or Galaxy Note if I cough up 100-200$ but not sure if I should go for it. Yes, it has an awesome screen and ICS, but whatever Android phone I get will have ICS in the next 3 months or so. The downside is a kinda old CPU/GPU combo (OMAP4430 and SGX540), a 5 mp camera, average battery life and only 16gb storage.
iPhone
Depending on what I'm willing to spend, they'll let me have an iphone4 for free, or 4S if I put down some cash. Between 50 and 200$ all depending on the 16/32/64 gb model. Now I know the iPhone option is kinda controversial, and if you had asked me a year ago, I'd never get an iPhone. But lately, I've gotten kinda disillusioned with Android. Even on a high end model like the Evo3D or SGSII isn't as smooth as iOS, and lag, even if very slight, is almost always present if you go to a list, for example. Theres also the issue of hardware quality and service. The last six months I've spent a couple dozen hours either trying to get an Android phone fixed, fixing issues with it, or taking it to repairs hops and waiting days or weeks for it to be repaired. With Apple you don't have to deal with all of that. They DO give really, really great service. If you take a broken phone to the Apple store, they often just outright replace it, and that counts for something IMHO.
I've had an ipad2 for the past 5 months, and I've really gotten to appreciate how fast and smooth the experience is, and how everything just works. The other advantages would be iMessage/FaceTime, which is really cool, having my phone work great together with my iPad, and the whole Apple ecosystem. Cameras are also top of the line, from what I've seen, and battery life is really good.
I know of the downsides with getting an iPhone, the biggest one would be the 3.5 inch screen. No matter how awesome, bright and sharp it is, it will take some getting used to, to go from a 4.3 inch screen to a 3.5 inch screen.
Other phones, like a Samsung or HTC are also available for me to get, this is just my top3. I'd really appreciate your input, and let me know what phone you'd get next in my situation... Thanks!
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SGSII or EVO 3D is top choices out there iPhone is all brand and behind the curve otherwise I would take a photon or over iPhone LOL
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I'm in the same boat, well I'm selling mine, I'm so disappointed in HTC, too many freezing up and restarting by itself on stock rom, moving on
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Same here man.iam returning to sony.gonna get Xperia S soon
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I honestly wouldnt consider the 3vo to be one of the high(est) end devices now.
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I honestly wouldnt consider the 3vo to be one of the high(est) end devices now.
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It's no slouch at all. It's just older which puts you under the illusion that it is weak. Compared to other dual core devices, there aren't huge differences.
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Sold mine on Ebay. Bought a Epic4G touch. Not looking back. The only thing I appreciated about the Evo4G was the development community. Other than that, I'm getting twice the battery on a larger screen.
That would be my vote. And I paid full price for the Epic. Worth it.
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Lol I saw you post in a thread the other day that your next phone will either be an iPhone or a windows phone haha
Evo3D.
evo 3d seems very cheap now for a (once high end) mid range phone.
I've had nothing but good luck with my Evo 3d and love it, only thing i dont like is the flimsy backing plate. From reading your post i cant help but ask were you rooted? There are tons of great roms and app mods available in the forums here, all solve numerous issues and improve upon stock in any number of ways.
As far as choosing a phone goes, if you can get a new 3d free I'd stick it out and wait to see what's available withing the coming months, MWC just finished up and there were tons of greats devices announced.
Otherwise GSII gets my vote.
i dropped my flyer and now i have a couple of verticle lines going straight down the screen. im still waiting to see how much it'll cost to repair, but if its too much, i will probably just buy a new tablet
i thought the flyer was great, especially with the stylus, but seeing how it is losing support, i was wondering if there was any other 7 inch tablets out there that had the same quality stylus support as the flyer?
Yea the EVO view tab
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Yea the EVO view tab
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Something that is gonna be supported in the next year with at least ICS
One problem we all have;
when devs update the SW by 0.0.1 we all need to get one. Hmmm really?
Fu*k all the upgrades as long as device is doing what u need for ya. I love Flyer and wont cry ower ICS, wich is already old and off date by JB. Blah. Updating new devices to be able to load up lates OS doesent look smart anymore specially with costs of devices... and obviuslly mine payment at work.
Looks like all this upgrades r onlly to push u to buy new devices. 500€ for phone this days... I mean common. Flyer was what 600€ or even more when came out...
Blah...
I love HC Leedroid rome 4.3 with Holo luncher now.
So on the end, buy ICS compatible device today and stay out of JB suport tomorow. Run to the store for new one. No recesion in the world i would say
Samsung is having great success with stylus integration based on the Galaxy Note, which is getting ICS updates. They are about to release a series of tablets with stylus, I would look at those.
I got a Note recently to replace my iphone. I hardly ever use my flyer now. The Note obviously has a smaller screen, but does have a higher resolution.
So, my flyer is now for sale
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One problem we all have;
when devs update the SW by 0.0.1 we all need to get one. Hmmm really?
Fu*k all the upgrades as long as device is doing what u need for ya. I love Flyer and wont cry ower ICS, wich is already old and off date by JB. Blah. Updating new devices to be able to load up lates OS doesent look smart anymore specially with costs of devices... and obviuslly mine payment at work.
Looks like all this upgrades r onlly to push u to buy new devices. 500€ for phone this days... I mean common. Flyer was what 600€ or even more when came out...
Blah...
I love HC Leedroid rome 4.3 with Holo luncher now.
So on the end, buy ICS compatible device today and stay out of JB suport tomorow. Run to the store for new one. No recesion in the world i would say
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haha i WISH my flyer could last me the next five years, but if i have a choice with a device that is no longer going to be supported or upgraded and a newer device, i have to go with the newer one
i know the galaxy note is great, but i want something that is wifi only
by surfing online, it really seems that the flyer was a one of a kind tablet with its stylus.... its so sad that it didnt sell well and htc is giving it a cold shoulder
The next set of Samsung tablets will have pens so don;t cry about Flyer.
HTC's poor sales record has been noticed by Microsoft. MS does not want HTC to build its first Windows 8 tablets.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Weak-sales-keep-HTC-from-launching-first-Windows-8-tablet_id31074
And why can it not? Siriuslly your wife is longa age and stil lasts you LOL.
http://androidandme.com/2012/09/tab...fire&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Oh man... I may have to hold off on my plan to upgrade to an N7...biggest question is price... Will they charge another $500+ (that's what I paid for my Flyer), or compete with the N7 & Fire on that level too?
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Price points closer to Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire seems like a more feasible marketing tact than taking the "high road" which clearly did not work for the "original" Flyer.
I'm willing to pay more for a higher quality product. But the "race to the bottom" on Android tablet price seems to be the popular business model these days. Low price has resulted in big sales, and popularity has its perks, as more popular devices get better development, and also better support from accessory manufacturers.
I'm not quite ready to upgrade from the Flyer. But if I were, the Nexus 7 would be the lead candidate, and like the OP a new tablet from HTC would possibly be worth considering.
We'll find out on 19th of September
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We'll find out on 19th of September
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I have a feeling the 7" Flyer 2 announcement will come at a later date (like next year)... We may hear something about their rumored 10.1", though...
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I have a feeling the 7" Flyer 2 announcement will come at a later date (like next year)... We may hear something about their rumored 10.1", though...
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If one of the new HTC products is a 7" tablet - I'm in. Nexus 7 ATM has WAY too many downsides compared to Flyer, such as lack of 3G, no SD-card, no rear camera (as stupid as it sounds), no pen, and no Sense UI thanks to which I can use HTC Notes app for my studies when I type the lectures on it. No Android app (besides Evernote itself) can provide such functionality. And, as strange as it would sound, pure Jelly Bean UI just doesn't get me.. as well as the race for the latest technologies (I mean Android 4.1.1).
So, if there is to be a Flyer 2 (or, as HTC usually calls next-gen models, Flyer S or smth like that) - then I could just start saving money up right now.
If HTC is only going to target 10" segment - then I'd be very sad about it, because only Google and Samsung are interested in the 7" tablets
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If one of the new HTC products is a 7" tablet - I'm in. Nexus 7 ATM has WAY too many downsides compared to Flyer, such as lack of 3G, no SD-card, no rear camera (as stupid as it sounds), no pen, and no Sense UI thanks to which I can use HTC Notes app for my studies when I type the lectures on it. No Android app (besides Evernote itself) can provide such functionality. And, as strange as it would sound, pure Jelly Bean UI just doesn't get me.. as well as the race for the latest technologies (I mean Android 4.1.1).
So, if there is to be a Flyer 2 (or, as HTC usually calls next-gen models, Flyer S or smth like that) - then I could just start saving money up right now.
If HTC is only going to target 10" segment - then I'd be very sad about it, because only Google and Samsung are interested in the 7" tablets
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^^Couldn't agree more with alluh that^^
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^^Couldn't agree more with alluh that^^
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Good to know I'm not alone in that opinion
If they'd release it with Scribe and Sense for tablets, it would be great for us as well. Should it get momentum, we could maybe receive an update a-la Galaxy Note 1 users. They just got an update to make the Note 1 UI look more like the Note 2.
I for one have learned the lesson and will never buy a non nexus branded device again. I think that manufacturers need to rethink their strategies and make sure that the devices they offer are easy to upgrade.
If they find no profit in upgrading their existing devices to the latest version of android they should offer an offline image to be downloaded (from e.g htc-dev.com) for a smaller fee. If ICS or JB was available for purchase from HTC I would seriously consider buying it.
The smartphone market is still relarively young but I don´t think it will take long before the market settles and becomes more like pc´s. People don´t want to buy a $500 device that is outdated, software wise, in less than a year.
Nexus is the way to go and I´m sure that Google will prove it soon enough.
HTC's sales are down again, -4% month to month. They are hurting and clearly have not yet learned the lessons.
1. Dump Sense or completely revamp it so that it doesn't hide Android innovation in ICS and JB.
2. Streamline your GUI so that it does NOT hamper your ability to provide Android updates on time and for phones your customers actually own.
3. Remember most customers are stuck with a phone / tablet for 1.5 to 2 years ,not just 4 months.
4. Stop spending millions on PR gimmicks ($300 million on beats audio and you don;t even get a headset with a new phone) and spend a little on updating your current customers.
5. Provide innovation and stop being cheap and screwing your customers and maybe, just maybe they will come back.
I"m betting HTC learned nothing and will price the next tablet with stylus in the range of the Samsung 10.1 Note. ($499) , not the N7 ($199). Let's see.
Killerskincanoe posted this in the "Flyer 2 pics" thread. I thought I'd share here as well... Hopefully they're listening!
http://m.facebook.com/questions/253251231444306/
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1. Dump Sense or completely revamp it so that it doesn't hide Android innovation in ICS and JB.
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What ICS innovations are hidden by Sense in say, the One X?
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What ICS innovations are hidden by Sense in say, the One X?
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Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS , the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally and when Google updates the Chrome browser in month or so, what will HTC do? Nothing as usual. As Android updates components, HTC will again fall behind because they are stuck with Sense components that have replaced the stock versions.
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Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS , the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally and when Google updates the Chrome browser in month or so, what will HTC do? Nothing as usual. As Android updates components, HTC will again fall behind because they are stuck with Sense components that have replaced the stock versions.
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You compltely dodged the question. It doesnt look like gingerbread, thats how sense is suppose to look. Messaging,browser, is completely irrelevant. Google chrome is installable from ics/jellybean.
I recommend a class of philosophy because all your points are invalid. Lol wow.
I think ics/jellybean on HTC devices strips everything appearance wise that was appealing about ics/jellybean. Sense is very stail. Personally I feel the new HTC devices feel behind the counterparts in the market. Just a personal opinion though
Flyer
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You compltely dodged the question. It doesnt look like gingerbread, thats how sense is suppose to look. Messaging,browser, is completely irrelevant. Google chrome is installable from ics/jellybean.
I recommend a class of philosophy because all your points are invalid. Lol wow.
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They are completely relevant. You could say google innovated a better UI in ICS, and HTC is holding the messaging and browser apps back. I recommend a class of manners, because all of your points are rude. Lol wow.
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They are completely relevant. You could say google innovated a better UI in ICS, and HTC is holding the messaging and browser apps back. I recommend a class of manners, because all of your points are rude. Lol wow.
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Agree with this. Having recently ditched my flyer for a Nexus 7 and ditched sense on my HOX for cyanogenmod I have to say that the ICS/JB interface is so much fresher than sense, simpler and probably more intuitive. Sense kind of misses the point of android for me by sticking in a load of apps that few people will want or use (sure the weather app is pretty but how about letting me chose if I want it or not?). If it's sense thats responsible for HTC's naff update policy then it should be ditched, or stripped back even further. Frankly the only things I liked about it were the flip clock which is easily replaced, and HTCs contacts app which always handled integration with other apps so well. HTC should look at customer service, build quality and style if they want to differentiate themselves from other manufacturers rather than relying on sense. The HOX for example is (in my opinion, and those of many reviewers) the best looking phone on the market. That differentiates it enough for me, and with "stock" JB on there it flies and feels like a very current device.
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Well for starters HTC seems to think every phone should look like Gingerbread even if its running Jellybean. They haven;t made a major change to Sense in 2 years. The messaging app is not as good as stock ICS, the HTC browser is much worse, slow and crashes occasionally
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Have you spent much time on Sense 4 or the One X? To each his own, of course. But I find the opinion that Sense hasn't changed in 2 years, impossible to believe. Sense 4 behaves nothing like the previous version of Sense, much less versions from 2 years ago. And while some of the core aesthetics have been maintained (HTC wants Sense to look a certain way, obviously) many things are overhauled and in significant ways. Much more so than AOSP JB and ICS, in my opinion.
I've never had a single browser crash that I can recall (although the browser is a bit slow), having owned the One X since release in May. And I think the AOSP messaging app is ugly as hell compared to the HTC client (completely subjective, of course). This is coming from someone that has spent a good amount of time on AOSP ROMs on past HTC devices, as well as almost always used 3rd party SMS apps and launchers while on Sense ROMs in order to dodge the HTC versions. But on the One X, for the first time on an HTC device, Sense has really come around and provided a completely fluid, nice looking, and very usable interface. Whether its "better" than AOSP or not is completely subjective. But to say it hasn't changed in 2 years is nuts to me.
You guys are probably already aware, but speaking of the "race to the bottom" on Android tablet pricing: http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/06/amazon-kindle-fire-2012/
With Amazon and Google continually "lowering the bar" on price, its less and less likely that HTC will be able to take the high road and stay competitive. They might not be able to match prices like $159 and offer the quality of hardware they are known for. But they might have to try to stake some territory in the "middle ground" as the number of people willing to spend $500 on a tablet that is not an iPad grows slimmer and slimmer.
Being totally honest.. the only thing I hope from a Flyer 2 is a stable JB rom for my regular Flyer.
My flyer makes me happy in a lot of ways.. the one "depressing" thing about my flyer is the god awful honeycomb task manager.
I don't need the absolute latest and greatest hardware when my flyer can do everything I want it to do barring, google chrome and having a decent task manager.