Hi All,
I'm looking to publish a pay for version of my free application. It's all ready to go and I foolishly thought I'd just need to set the price I wanted to sell the thing for and Google would sort out all the tax concerns etc. What a fool I was and after searching online I'm not the only one to have fallen into this quagmire.
I'm hoping that amoungst the wonderful people in these forums that there is a UK app developer who has been through this (what looks to be a) traumatic step and can give me some brief advice/guidance as to what I should be doing to do this properly.
An idea of questions I have are
1. Do I need to register a business before diving into this?
2. As a UK resident do I need to be gathering and paying the US (or other) buyers tax as well as my own VAT? If so, how?
3. What else don't I know about?
I realise that this advice should come from a trained professional accountant but as I don't know any (or think this current app is going to generate a revenue worthy of paying a professional) I'm hoping the developing community would be willing to share their experience. I'm happy to take this offline if need be, I'd just appreciate any pointers in the right direction.
(I have seen a few topics on this site vaguely around the same theme but not from a UK perspective, if there is a thread I should see then please direct me to that, but I have tried to find one already, honest!)
Thanks in advance,
Leighton.
Leighto. said:
Hi All,
I'm looking to publish a pay for version of my free application. It's all ready to go and I foolishly thought I'd just need to set the price I wanted to sell the thing for and Google would sort out all the tax concerns etc. What a fool I was and after searching online I'm not the only one to have fallen into this quagmire.
I'm hoping that amoungst the wonderful people in these forums that there is a UK app developer who has been through this (what looks to be a) traumatic step and can give me some brief advice/guidance as to what I should be doing to do this properly.
An idea of questions I have are
1. Do I need to register a business before diving into this?
2. As a UK resident do I need to be gathering and paying the US (or other) buyers tax as well as my own VAT? If so, how?
3. What else don't I know about?
I realise that this advice should come from a trained professional accountant but as I don't know any (or think this current app is going to generate a revenue worthy of paying a professional) I'm hoping the developing community would be willing to share their experience. I'm happy to take this offline if need be, I'd just appreciate any pointers in the right direction.
(I have seen a few topics on this site vaguely around the same theme but not from a UK perspective, if there is a thread I should see then please direct me to that, but I have tried to find one already, honest!)
Thanks in advance,
Leighton.
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I'm not sure what quagmire you refer to, google take fees and taxes out for you. Just specify the price of your app and upload it, they even automatically set right tax for you.
It was a year ago I set an account up but if I never registered as a business, don't think you have to.
Dave
( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
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This is not the impression that I get from their T's and C's. It explicitly says that google pass on the tax to you and it is tour responsibility to ensure this is dealt with correctly. Am I misinterpreting that or does it not apply to the UK? Does everyone else agree with Dave and I'm making something out of nothing?
Cheers,
Leighton.
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Just to show you why I'm thinking that we do need to take notice of the tax. Here is a link to one of the latest notifications I had in the Google Play publisher site.
{linked removed due to newbie status/possible spam risk}
It explicity says, "Keep in mind that Google will continue to pass on the entire tax amount collected to the developer, and calculate the 30% transaction fee off the net price of the product. For example, if your tax inclusive price is 10GBP and your VAT is 20% (as set by the developer in the Google Merchant Center), then Google will first calculate your net price (8 GBP) and then apply a 30% transaction fee to that amount (2.4GBP fee). The developer would then receive 7.6GBP (includes tax collected)."
I'm pretty sure this is something I need to atleast understand properly before continuing.
Leighton.
My apologies, because I only have one for sale app and don't have to pay taxes (falls below minimum level of earning at which tax is applied) I knew google add the tax rate automatically but forgot that the developer pays it to tax office.
Here are the uk vat rules.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/start/register/when-to-register.htm
Basically you don't register to pay vat on your apps unless you earn £77,000 a year or more from them.
So if you are earning more than that you pay them the pounds per app sold that you owe as tax but not otherwise. In my case I don't have to pay vat.
Dave
( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
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That is great news to me, thanks Dave. My app will never come close to that kind of revenue. Hopefully one day this headache will return
Regards,
Leighton.
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I saw a new App from Experian where you can access your credit report from your phone. Has anyone tried this? I already have an account with freecreditreport.com so I downloaded it, but I am too paranoid to enter my personal information.
check the webpage and support info on the app, if everything links back to the official experian websites should be ok...
not too many hackers with the balls to imitate big credit bearu names, lol
thats federal time there.
also browse google and see if there are any mentions from experian theirself about a release of a mobile app.
I would probably stay away from that app.... I don't know if that app is legit. I checked google and didn't find anything about it. I also went to the source experian.com and didn't find any info. Now I'm not saying it's bogus, but just suggesting that you stay away from it until confirmed that it's the real deal.
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Looks a lot like their new iPhone app. I wouldn't worry about it.
I have been advised to not use freecreditreport.com, I have been told to instead use annualcreditreport.com
This below is from militaryonesource
Thanks to the Fair and Accurate Credit Transactions Act (FACTA), every U.S. citizen is entitled to a free credit report once a year from each of the three main credit reporting bureaus: Equifax, Experian, and TransUnion. There are three ways to order your credit reports: online, by phone, and through the mail.
To order your credit report online, go to www.annualcreditreport.com. This centralized Web site sponsored by the three main credit bureaus allows you to order all three reports and view them instantly online.
To order your report over the phone, call 1-877-322-8228. Your credit report will be mailed to you within 15 days.
To order a report by mail, you will need to fill out an annual credit report request form. Go to https://www.annualcreditreport.com/cra/requestformfinal.pdf to find a copy of this form online. Then mail the form to:
Annual Credit Report Request Service
P.O. Box 105281
Atlanta, GA 30348-5281
Due to security reasons, www.annualcreditreport.com does not work from overseas. If you're stationed or deployed outside the U.S., you can print the form to order your report by mail at www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/include/requestformfinal.pdf.
When you get your reports, look them over carefully. If there's anything you don't understand, call the credit bureau for an explanation. The reports include a lot of information and you may need some help interpreting them the first time you see them. Federal law requires that the bureaus make this help available to you. Here is the contact information for each of the three main credit bureaus:
Equifax Credit Information Services
P.O. Box 740256
Atlanta, Georgia 30374
Telephone: 1-800-685-1111
Fax: 1-404-612-2993
www.equifax.com
Experian
P.O. Box 9554
Allen, Texas 75013
Telephone: 1-888-397-3742
www.experian.com
Trans Union Corporation
Consumer Relations Center
P.O. Box 1000
Chester, PA 19022
Telephone: 1-800-916-8800
www.transunion.com
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Also it is probably best if you order only 1 report every 4 months so this way you can check your credit 3 times per year instead doing all 3 and having to wait another year for free reports. This is even recommended in the Frequently Asked Questions section.
Actually, you want to monitor your report. It is a good way to keep an eye on things. I use freecreditreport.com which is actually Experian.com and love it. I started using it at regular price which was around 15 a month, then I called and said I wanted to cancel, I couldn't afford it. They dropped in 50% now I pay 7 bucks. I pull a free one once or twice a month. It's quite essential to monitor your report. Don't listen to people who don't know how important it is.
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Actually, you want to monitor your report. It is a good way to keep an eye on things. I use freecreditreport.com which is actually Experian.com and love it. I started using it at regular price which was around 15 a month, then I called and said I wanted to cancel, I couldn't afford it. They dropped in 50% now I pay 7 bucks. I pull a free one once or twice a month. It's quite essential to monitor your report. Don't listen to people who don't know how important it is.
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"free"creditreport.com is fine to use as long as you know going in that it's not necessarily "free" (you have to sign up for credit monitoring services that charge). The only source for true free credit reports is the once-a-year annualcreditreport.com site.
I personally use creditkarma.com, it's free, you get a score calculated by your TransUnion credit report, and targeted credit card and loan offers even. Has a bunch of tools to help you manage your finances and credit too.
Thanks for the replies. I didn't find any mention of an Android app on the freecreditreport.com website. Doesn't mean it isn't legit, but you can never be too cautious.
Alright, STRONGLY encourage you guys trying this app.
Short and Sweet, this app gives you a daily deal (usually a 50% or more discount). It's in most large cities so you are probably covered. The best part though is the deals are usually things I want, and help support local business (most are not for chain type places).
Example: Today I bought a Groupon for a local brewery. For $10 I get to take a buddy with me on a brewery tour, sample beer, get two beers, and get two pint glasses... Yeah, that is a win.
IF you decide to join, do me a favor and use my referral link. It gives me $10 to use towards future groupons. You get the benefit of saving money and using your own referral link in the future.
CHECK OUT GROUPON (THIS LINK INCLUDES MY REFERRAL)
CHECK OUT THE ANDROID APP (AMAZING).
I really love the app. Not only does it show you the deals, alert you (if you want) of new deals, but it also keeps track of all your purchased groupons AND lets you show your phone to the merchant to "use" your groupon (no having to print them out and bring in a piece of paper).
If you have used Groupon, give some feedback for those not aware. Its an amazing service/app and has saved me a lot of money... as well as encouraging me to get out and try new things.
Did you know Groupon Is becoming one of the most successful businesses in america im running the app now thanks for the post as usual
My Wife swears by it...
i'm sorry if this is a dumbass question...but what the hell is Groupon?
i always get an app if s15274n says get it...but i dont know what its used for
My wives all over it too
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My wives all over it too
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"That's what she said" /joke
^^ Groupon, in summary is a daily discount for a service at a local store in your area. If you want it, you buy it, most are good for a year (each groupon has the expiration date)... I have them all stored on my phone, and just show the store worker my phone when I want to use the discount.
I will be hitting up that brewery this weekend, very excited about that. Hit up groupon.com and see if it's offered in your area. If it is, please use my referral code /self-promoting.
Groupon is VERY successful, their the ones Google offered like 6 Billion (not a typo) to buy out. They refused so google is going to create their own version to try and compete with Groupon. Yeah, it is that good.
I get their daily email alerts, which I prefer to the app. Still awesome though.
Yeah, I mostly use the app to keep/show a merchant my groupons. I don't like "spam email" (intended to receive or not), so I just periodically check the app or their site.
+1 to the wife comments
My wife swears by this app too! haha
@s15274n
Doubt I would use Groupon much but I did signup for an account via your referral link for your sake. LOL. Good to help out a fellow XDA member. Do I have to buy something in order for you to get your $10 referral bucks?
Yeah one of my favorites now... bought s couple dinners for half off and my wife bought lasik ($600) for $99. Love it!
Lovellkid
xxxman999 said:
@s15274n
Doubt I would use Groupon much but I did signup for an account via your referral link for your sake. LOL. Good to help out a fellow XDA member. Do I have to buy something in order for you to get your $10 referral bucks?
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I believe so, but hey man, I appreciate the thought. Keep checking it though... You may be surprised and find something you like. Maybe.
LovellKid said:
Yeah one of my favorites now... bought s couple dinners for half off and my wife bought lasik ($600) for $99. Love it!
Lovellkid
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Holy $hit, that's a good deal.
I am the GM of a popular restaurant/bar... and I can tell you there are some sick deals to be had. We ran one ($12 for $25 worth of food/booze) and it sold out in under 2 hours (1500 sold). It really is a great deal for the consumer.
Ah, the all mighty Groupon!
*Checks Gmail.
Groupon
Groupon
Groupon
Groupon
Grouponicus (That's how they pass my spam filters!)
Groupon
Spam
Spam
Spam
Spam
Spamicus
Spam
Yeah, again... I dont use the email alert and would not suggest that. Who wants unread email? Just check the app every now and then, or the site.
I'll try it. Just signed up and installed the app. I used your link so I hope you got credit.
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Google gets rejected
Wanna see how great Groupon is getting. And I always taught it was just an underground thing. haha
http://www.indyposted.com/132150/google-tries-to-buy-groupon-for-6-billion-offer-rejected/
Check it out! 6 billiion. thats 6,000,000,000. Nine f'n ZERO's!
^ really hoping google offers something just as good/better. The consumer wins here.
I found it ate CPU time and RAM on my phone. I am opting for the PC browser instead.
I may sound desperate, but I just wanted to suggest something:
Can someone who has access to the Amazon Appstore create a thread wherein he/she can upload and post the Free App of the Day .apk and update it everyday? Or at least post a link wherein we can download them apks, since they're free anyway?
It's just so sad for us located outside the US because we weren't blessed by such privilege. :'(
No offence intended, y'all, so please, no flaming. If you find my post offensive in any way, PM me and I'll remove it for you.
Thanks!
What you are proposing is against XDA forum rules, therefore it will never happen.
I don't believe it even works, does it? Isn't there some kind of DRM attached to the Amazon AppStore .apk files that makes sure it's attached to your Amazon account?
les02jen17 said:
I may sound desperate, but I just wanted to suggest something:
Can someone who has access to the Amazon Appstore create a thread wherein he/she can upload and post the Free App of the Day .apk and update it everyday? Or at least post a link wherein we can download them apks, since they're free anyway?
It's just so sad for us located outside the US because we weren't blessed by such privilege. :'(
No offence intended, y'all, so please, no flaming. If you find my post offensive in any way, PM me and I'll remove it for you.
Thanks!
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If you think its morally right to do that. Why not just find out what the app is, than use blapkmarket or 4shared to download it?
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les02jen17 said:
Or at least post a link wherein we can download them apks, since they're free anyway?
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The point is... they are NOT FREE. They are paid apps that for a special deal, on that day only, is a free purchase via the Amazon Appstore (you can also access them from the Amazon website, but still need the Amazon appstore app to install them).
To link in any other method is to redistribute paid apps.
And it's already been posted that it's against XDA forum rules.
If the only thing stopping you from downloading what is most likely a $5 for free is a lack of Amazon account or not living in the United States, morally I see nothing wrong with that. But that's subjective, and if it's against the forum rules I suggest you just do as others said and find out what the app of the day is and go download the .apk online.
I suggest moving to the United States. It's not that bad here, promise.
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SCrid2000 said:
I suggest moving to the United States. It's not that bad here, promise.
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So long as you don't lose your job and get sick, that is.
I much prefer the Leonard Cohen view of America ... "the cradle of the best and the worst".
For anyone who doesn't know how the "free app of the day" deal at amazon works from a developer standpoint:
Amazon will tabulate the sales and pay the developer 20% of the full list price of the app for each "free" transaction.
Essentially, Amazon buys each "free" app purchase from the developer at a reduced cost.
If you pirate the app or download it from anywhere besides Amazon, on the day it is offered, then you still burn the developer out of the money that rightfully belongs to them.
Amazon does this to drive traffic to their web site, and to score more money in advertising and hopefully repeat business. But this app is not free like other free apps - Amazon still pays the owner of that app for each person who downloads it.
Please do not do what you are suggesting. It doesn't seem like a big deal at first, but knowing this now you will see how wrong it is.
I don't find your post offensive, a lot of people probably do not know this.
Hopefully this can serve to make more people aware of how the process works with Amazon.
Blue6IX said:
For anyone who doesn't know how the "free app of the day" deal at amazon works from a developer standpoint:
Amazon will tabulate the sales and pay the developer 20% of the full list price of the app for each "free" transaction.
Essentially, Amazon buys each "free" app purchase from the developer at a reduced cost.
If you pirate the app or download it from anywhere besides Amazon, on the day it is offered, then you still burn the developer out of the money that rightfully belongs to them.
Amazon does this to drive traffic to their web site, and to score more money in advertising and hopefully repeat business. But this app is not free like other free apps - Amazon still pays the owner of that app for each person who downloads it.
Please do not do what you are suggesting. It doesn't seem like a big deal at first, but knowing this now you will see how wrong it is.
I don't find your post offensive, a lot of people probably do not know this.
Hopefully this can serve to make more people aware of how the process works with Amazon.
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thank you for that info. its most helpful.
The OP might want to look into proxy services that mask you IP address behind a US address. Its how people abroad order books from Amazon & BN and music from iTunes.
SCrid2000 said:
I suggest moving to the United States. It's not that bad here, promise.
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It looks worse and worse each day...
To the OP, can't you create an account in amazon even if you are from outside the US? Just seems kind of weird to me...but then again, I don't know.
Cause right now i am having brand new 4 of 64 GB Asus transformer prime champage !!! just send me email [email protected] and it's yours tommorrow... no need to wait for amazon !!!
i would not buy from this man, as poor grammar skills are indicative of a bad sale
lol. spidey sense tingling.
what he says 'Cause right now i am having brand new 4 of 64 GB Asus transformer prime champage !!! just send me email [email protected] and it's yours tommorrow... no need to wait for amazon !!'
what we hear ' hi everyone, first time post in the forum but hey, its no problem, you'll all trust me and gladly part with your cash for some very expensive tech which will then probably not appear'
but what do i know. someone may pay up. fools and their money are soon parted.
Right. Go f yourself.
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Let me help you out new guy. Instead of offering a sale via email which is extremely unsafe why dont you range a pick up purchase at a nearby public location, like at McDonalds or shopping mall.
Holy crap you guys are quick to jump on this man. I'm in no way defending him or even claim to know him, but wow give the man a break!
He specifically stated on the thread itself that "if you live IN WESTMINSTER, CA". That in itself tells you that he's offering to sell this LOCALLY, hence offering his email so that anyone near him that's interested can contact him to meet him.
You are attacking the seller, why? It's true that buyers need to be careful who they buy their products from, but shouldn't a seller like the OP be careful as well? If he offers anything more than his email, wouldn't he be placing himself at risk?
Because of him offering the bare minimum information in order to arrange a meeting (at a public and safe location of course), I think this man is doing the right thing.
BTW, to the guy who responded about illiteracy. Westminster, CA has a HUGE Asian community, with a lot of them being ESL. I hope you're not so ignorant that you still assume everyone who lives in the US speaks English as their first language.
i am offering a contact information through email and we will meet in a public place, just have one left. thks for ur help tairen, you're the man
No problem
Some people here are quick to jump to conclusion, but they are good people. Next time try to give more details as to what you want to do and there won't be any misunderstandings!
Stick with eBay people, at least you can be covered by Paypal!
For instance, check out the following site which boasts the TFP for $320.
http://www.donagsystemonline.com/AS...utm_source=google-shopping&utm_medium=organic
Just look around in the site. You can see several very obvious signs of this being a scam, aside from the ridiculously low prices.
Just want you guys to be aware. That is all.
A quick search showed up at least half a dozen other sites with ridiculously low prices. They all track back to Britain.
The scam goes like this. You order the item and use paypal or credit card or whatever. You immediately receive an email from them telling you that to avoid complications or whatever they have refunded your money and that in order to send you the item immediately they need you to wire them the money via western union or some other company where it is impossible for you to recover your money.
Thanks for the warning.
good lookin out...
Ta for the heads up!!
Wonder why a site that claimed be uk based is priced in dollars!!
Reckon you are quite right about the method used lol
Trouble is that there is one born every day, and somebody is most probably stupid enough to click on buy.
the server is based in the US
Hmmm trying to remember how to report a fraudulent site to google now lol
Thought I'd run a whois on the site:
http://www.whois.net/whois/donagsystemonline.com
Bump.
I've seen several reports of people falling for this scam.
If it looks to good to be true... it usually is. No offense but I don't really understand how people can think such a thing is legit.