Hi!
This summer I'm getting my first Android phone (Xperia S), and I have some questions about rooting. I would post this in the Development section, but I don't have 10 posts.
Since I'm a power user, I want to root my phone, but since I never had a smart phone, I'm not that familiar with the rooting process. I know what bootloader and rooting itself is, but when I'm reading the guides, I'm not completely familiar with all the terms and whatnot.
I only want to root my phone, without using any special roms or anything. Should I keep my bootloader locked or should I unlock it? Does this affect the updates in any way? If I unlock the bootloader, will I still be able to update the phone or will I need to relock it?
Will I need to reroot the phone after each firmware update?
If you have any additional hints or information, I would be glad to read it.
Regards,
Klemen
The main benefit of rooting your phone is you can install any software you want, some apps need root permission, you can also customize UI, tweak performance, making a better battery life, etc.
on this device, you can relock it. If you doubt about your warranty, you can use the rooting with locked bootloader method. but you still need to relock if you want to claim your warranty in some cases. I hope you will not.
my advice is just use to your phone first, you enjoy with keyboard, texting, surfing on google play, bla bla bla. You will find the answer why you want to root or not.
I already know that I want to root my phone, the main reason is to get rid of the ads.
I'm just not sure, which is the preferred method of rooting it. I'm curious what's going to happen to future updates if I root the phone (some say, that every firmware unroots the phone).
KlemenKosir said:
Hi!
This summer I'm getting my first Android phone (Xperia S), and I have some questions about rooting. I would post this in the Development section, but I don't have 10 posts.
Since I'm a power user, I want to root my phone, but since I never had a smart phone, I'm not that familiar with the rooting process. I know what bootloader and rooting itself is, but when I'm reading the guides, I'm not completely familiar with all the terms and whatnot.
I only want to root my phone, without using any special roms or anything.1. Should I keep my bootloader locked or should I unlock it? 2. Does this affect the updates in any way? 3. If I unlock the bootloader, will I still be able to update the phone or will I need to relock it?
Will I need to reroot the phone after each firmware update?
If you have any additional hints or information, I would be glad to read it.
Regards,
Klemen
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I've numbered your questions in the quote, and made them bold for easier explanation.
1. Considering your last post (you want mostly to remove ads), I would recommend keeping it locked. For rooting it and installing CWM Recovery (I can try to explain what this is, if you don't know), you can follow this tutorial: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1742992
2. As said by XGAdev, you must relock your bootloader if you need to send it to warranty or update using either SUS or PC Companion. But you always can use Flashtool for updating. Just download the original firware you want, put it on the right folder and flash it.
3. Well, the answer is on the second one.
Right now, you just want to remove ads. In no time you will be heavily modding it, theming,etc. This also happened to me
If you need anything else, just say it. Press the thanks button if I was helpful enough, and if you want to press it. If not, just say it
My opinion:
Keep the BL locked, so you don't loose the DRM Keys, and follow the Root with BL Locked Guide to obtain Root Acess...
Unless you really want to have a tweaked kernel you wont need to Unlock the BL
Felimenta97 said:
I've numbered your questions in the quote, and made them bold for easier explanation.
1. Considering your last post (you want mostly to remove ads), I would recommend keeping it locked. For rooting it and installing CWM Recovery (I can try to explain what this is, if you don't know), you can follow this tutorial: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1742992
2. As said by XGAdev, you must relock your bootloader if you need to send it to warranty or update using either SUS or PC Companion. But you always can use Flashtool for updating. Just download the original firware you want, put it on the right folder and flash it.
3. Well, the answer is on the second one.
Right now, you just want to remove ads. In no time you will be heavily modding it, theming,etc. This also happened to me
If you need anything else, just say it. Press the thanks button if I was helpful enough, and if you want to press it. If not, just say it
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Thank you very much for your help!
What about if I decide to unlock my bootloader? How can I root ICS and install CWM in that case?
KlemenKosir said:
Thank you very much for your help!
What about if I decide to unlock my bootloader? How can I root ICS and install CWM in that case?
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Just flash Advanced stock ics kernel and you will get root and cwm.
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gm007 said:
Just flash Advanced stock ics kernel and you will get root and cwm.
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What's the difference between the Advanced Stock ICS Kernel and the SSpeed Kernel? The SSpeed is supposed to increase performance, but is the difference noticeable?
KlemenKosir said:
What's the difference between the Advanced Stock ICS Kernel and the SSpeed Kernel? The SSpeed is supposed to increase performance, but is the difference noticeable?
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The advanced stock kernel is same as stock without overclocking,and default governor.
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So, when I get my phone, I just unlock the bootloader, use fastboot to flash the Advanced Stock ICS Kernel, and use the ClockworkMod to flash a ROM?
KlemenKosir said:
So, when I get my phone, I just unlock the bootloader, use fastboot to flash the Advanced Stock ICS Kernel, and use the ClockworkMod to flash a ROM?
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Yes. Pretty much that.
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Thank you for your help, everyone, this is going to help a lot!
KlemenKosir said:
Thank you for your help, everyone, this is going to help a lot!
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I bet you're like me and won't be able to stop there. And I guess that you'd want to try jelly bean and for that (at least as of today) you need unlocked one...
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elvirag said:
I bet you're like me and won't be able to stop there. And I guess that you'd want to try jelly bean and for that (at least as of today) you need unlocked one...
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Well, for starters, I'm only going to root the phone. After some time, I'll maybe consider trying other ROMs.
Any ROM can be used in Locked BL (rooted)?
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Hi there,
I have yet to find a specific answer searching other threads, so I am posting here...
Is there a way to Root the updated Tmobile ICS update?
I thought about flashing another ROM like Cyano9, etc. but mostly I want to remove the crappy bloatware that is on the ICS update.
Obviouslly, I don't want to brick my device, but all I've seen on the forums are the Gingerbread versions of the root process...I've heard it won't cooperate with the same methods using it for ICS.
Thanks...
Same method to root for GB will work on ICS nothings changed.
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Ideas?
Hi there,
Thanks for the help...I suspected as much, but I needed to check from those who tried and succeeded. I was looking at the site theunlockr.com for a one step root. Is this for real?
One more question - I've rooted my old phones before, but I always new where to get the original Tmobile file in case I wanted to revert back to the original ROM...does anyone know where I can find the ICS Tmobile ROM just in case I root and either it doesn't work or I decide to return to bloatware-central?
For some reason, I am more nervous to root this phone than my older ones...I'm afraid of a brick...
Thanks again!:good:
jazzersaxman said:
Hi there,
Thanks for the help...I suspected as much, but I needed to check from those who tried and succeeded. I was looking at the site theunlockr.com for a one step root. Is this for real?
One more question - I've rooted my old phones before, but I always new where to get the original Tmobile file in case I wanted to revert back to the original ROM...does anyone know where I can find the ICS Tmobile ROM just in case I root and either it doesn't work or I decide to return to bloatware-central?
For some reason, I am more nervous to root this phone than my older ones...I'm afraid of a brick...
Thanks again!:good:
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The only rooting method that's gonna work is the version via hasoons tool.
1. Unlock your bootloader
2. flash a custom recovery
3. Install SuperSu.zip
Once you're s-on, which you are, you're safe from bricks, since you can't change the files that would cause a brick.
The stock tmobile ruu is available in the dev section in the stock ruu/ota thread.
Dark Nightmare said:
The only rooting method that's gonna work is the version via hasoons tool.
1. Unlock your bootloader
2. flash a custom recovery
3. Install SuperSu.zip
Once you're s-on, which you are, you're safe from bricks, since you can't change the files that would cause a brick.
The stock tmobile ruu is available in the dev section in the stock ruu/ota thread.
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just done this myself
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phone settings
Thanks again for the advice...seems simple enough...I was working with the toolkit, ad when trying to get the token ID the script says it can detect my device.
I have it plugged in using disk drive mode...is that correct?
jazzersaxman said:
Thanks again for the advice...seems simple enough...I was working with the toolkit, ad when trying to get the token ID the script says it can detect my device.
I have it plugged in using disk drive mode...is that correct?
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Did you turn usb debugging on? You can find this in settings>develop options.
oops
Dark Nightmare said:
Did you turn usb debugging on? You can find this in settings>develop options.
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No...that's what I realized I forgot...
jazzersaxman said:
No...that's what I realized I forgot...
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Everybody's happy now.:good:
Hello everyone.
I tried rooting my Xperia ray today using this guide: http://mytechencounters.wordpress.com/2012/03/17/root-your-xperia-phone-without-voiding-warranty/
Bear with me, you might find all of this tedious to read. My phone came with GB 2.3.4 build .62 which is hard to root. So as the above guide directed, I downloaded a .42 build firmware, CE(Central Europe perhaps? I don't know) and tried to flash it using flashtool. I disconnected the phone from the PC in between. My phone wouldn't boot. Then I used SUS and updated it to ICS, making the phone work. I then flashed it to GB .42 patiently, and with success. Alas, problems started immediately. Many processes such as media, calender storage, acro etc came up as stopped working. Even after selecting force close they would keep appearing. I cleared the respective cache/data and the notifications stopped. Then I rooted it using Doomlord's toolkit, and updated to .62 via OTA, keeping my root. A few things have changed. The keyboard name is the same, International keyboard, but it is different and I don't like it. Camera is not working. Screen goes blank if I open the camera. Messaging does not work and the messaging app crashes as soon as I open it. No contacts are found, despite importing them again. (They all show up when using the import from SIM option, it says importing is done but they are nowhere to be found). I called someone manually. While calling his name shows up but my contacts is completely blank. Google search is not working and it crashes too. There might be other problems, but I haven't checked. Anything in particular to check? Please help me solve all these issues. I'm glad my phone is rooted now, but it's next to useless due to all this. Please help me.
Great. Even the screen unlock security seems to not work. No slide to unlock. No pattern unlock even though I saved a pattern. I press the power button, the phone just shows the home. No security. How do I fix all this? PC Companion? SUS? And I don't want ICS so I won't use them if that's what they're going to update my phone to rather than fix it.
Do a complete wipe data/factory reset or flash .42 again, if this won't work take it to a service center cause it's a hardware issue
mihahn said:
Do a complete wipe data/factory reset or flash .42 again, if this won't work take it to a service center cause it's a hardware issue
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Oh my God. Yet again, a small step proved to be highly useful. I can't thank you enough! :good::good::good::good::good::good:
Side note: I'm thinking about unlocking my bootloader, mainly for installing a custom kernel to overclock and probably for using custom ROMs in the future. I know that I will lose my DRM, so I can't run trackid and timescape. What else wont I be able to run? Is DRM that important? Can I unlock the bootloader with a method that will keep my warranty? Thanks in advance.
Androman117 said:
Oh my God. Yet again, a small step proved to be highly useful. I can't thank you enough! :good::good::good::good::good::good:
Side note: I'm thinking about unlocking my bootloader, mainly for installing a custom kernel to overclock and probably for using custom ROMs in the future. I know that I will lose my DRM, so I can't run trackid and timescape. What else wont I be able to run? Is DRM that important? Can I unlock the bootloader with a method that will keep my warranty? Thanks in advance.
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No problem, hope it's going well now :good:
1. Overclocking can destroy your phone/phone's hardware. I've never overclocked and I wouldn't do it...
2. DRM are not important and trackid should work with the latest version. Not sure about timescape, maybe with an updated version it works
3. You can just keep your warranty by unlocking with testpoint method. Here is a great tutorial and sony won't notice it, only when your phone is bricked up
But testpoint is just working until a specific build number of the hardware, it should be mentioned somewhere in the thread!
mihahn said:
No problem, hope it's going well now :good:
1. Overclocking can destroy your phone/phone's hardware. I've never overclocked and I wouldn't do it...
2. DRM are not important and trackid should work with the latest version. Not sure about timescape, maybe with an updated version it works
3. You can just keep your warranty by unlocking with testpoint method. Here is a great tutorial and sony won't notice it, only when your phone is bricked up
But testpoint is just working until a specific build number of the hardware, it should be mentioned somewhere in the thread!
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Alright, thanks. I've decided to not unlock the bootloader, because all I wanted to do was overclock but I guess that's harmful.
Another side not: Have you bought an Xperia Sola yet? I read that you wanted to
Androman117 said:
Alright, thanks. I've decided to not unlock the bootloader, because all I wanted to do was overclock but I guess that's harmful.
Another side not: Have you bought an Xperia Sola yet? I read that you wanted to
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Nope, after unlocking my bootloader and having Android 4.2.1 on phone I don't need a sola anymore. I would go for a Nexus 4, or in future for another nexus device :good:
mihahn said:
Nope, after unlocking my bootloader and having Android 4.2.1 on phone I don't need a sola anymore. I would go for a Nexus 4, or in future for another nexus device :good:
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Android 4.2.1? Oh just saw your sig you have CM 10.1. I've heard that Android 4.0 and above versions don't work well on 2011 Xperia devices.
How's it running? Is it better than the stock GB ROM? How's the gaming performance? If that's fine, I might install the ROM in the near future. Also, do you use Chainfire 3D? V6 Supercharger? Any other apps that enhance performance? Sorry for asking so many questions
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Android 4.2.1? Oh just saw your sig you have CM 10.1. I've heard that Android 4.0 and above versions don't work well on 2011 Xperia devices.
How's it running? Is it better than the stock GB ROM? How's the gaming performance? If that's fine, I might install the ROM in the near future. Also, do you use Chainfire 3D? V6 Supercharger? Any other apps that enhance performance? Sorry for asking so many questions
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For me it's better than gingerbread, but I don't often play games on phone, only somteims, but the games are going well :good:
The rom is only for unlocked bootloader and I didn't upload, but another member in development section did
No I'm not using any mods or tweaks, just sd maid to clean my sd sometimes, but jellybean is running smooth without any tweaks
Androman117 said:
Oh my God. Yet again, a small step proved to be highly useful. I can't thank you enough! :good::good::good::good::good::good:
Side note: I'm thinking about unlocking my bootloader, mainly for installing a custom kernel to overclock and probably for using custom ROMs in the future. I know that I will lose my DRM, so I can't run trackid and timescape. What else wont I be able to run? Is DRM that important? Can I unlock the bootloader with a method that will keep my warranty? Thanks in advance.
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I think you have gotten a lot of good advice from Mihahn and I just wanted to add some suggestions before you unlock your bootloader...you probably want to get comfortable working with CWM Recovery. It has been a while since I did this on GB but there are a bunch of tools that you can use to put recovery onto GB stock roms and a good place to start is this thread in Ray Dev: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1426912
Also before you decide you just gotta have a certain ROM, take a good look at the OP for the ROM....there may be something not working correctly that would be a deal breaker for you....there are some features that only work properly on a stock based ROM. This is particularly true of the Jelly Bean 4.2 build for the Ray....the 4.1 ROMs are working pretty good.....but if you absolutely love the sony camera app then you have to stay on a stock ROM.
Have fun!
Hello,
I'm really confused should I root my phone or not, I want to have apps like titanium backup, juice defender, screen cast etc. But on the other side I don't want to lose my warranty. So I created some questions that you can answer me to help me decide.
Why should I root?
Is it worth it for some apps?
Is rooting safer than installing a custom rom?
Is it hard to do?
Should I install a custom rom ?
Is there any way getting back your warranty?
Should I root it because I have the phone only a week?
Any good guides?
What to do if I brick my phone?
Will I still have all apps?
What are the pro's and con's?
Any more information I need please post.
Hit the Thanks button!
I think you can simplify the questions by asking yourself whether you think you are someone who likes to tinker with their phone and get under the hood a little, or whether you are generally happy with how it's working now and merely curious what all the fuss is about?
You may conclude from either question that rooting is worth a try. It's probably a good idea to have at least a good reason to (such as wanting to install a root-only app like AdAway or having a custom recovery like TeamWin or ClockWork Mod for backups and such, or for installing one of the cool ROMs we have available in these forums).
I was apprehensive the first time I rooted, but now I can't imagine running my phone without it. Especially thanks to the custom ROMs we have here and the many mods and apps that require root/busybox/init.d etc to run. That said, I wouldn't advise rooting to someone else unless they were comfortable with the notion that they might not be covered under warranty anymore, and would have to rely on their own and this community to deal with any problems they might encounter. You can get your phone back to stock ROM and unrooted, with a locked bootloader but I believe it will still indicate at the bootloader that you 'relocked' it, so your provider can tell that it was tampered with and may decide that that's a good enough reason not to honor your warranty. Proceed at your own risk.
As far as the details, no it's not very difficult to root your phone. You need to be marginally competent at running some software on your PC and follow the tutorials available here. There's this tool which makes things very easy, and there's also nloooo's tutorial here if you want to do it more manually which is helpful in learning some of the basics of using adb commands and getting your PC to talk to your phone, etc.
If you follow the instructions in the tutorials you shouldn't brick your phone. You just need to be mindful of what you are doing and don't do silly things like pull the USB cable while it's sending files to your phone. Even then, there's usually ways to recover from those situations. It's hard to actually brick the phone.
Backup your phone, often!
Hope that goes someways towards answering your questions. Good luck!
Reason to root for me:
Adaway - to remove ads temporarily
Sixaxis - to play games with ps3 controller
BetterBatteryStats - to check what prevents deep sleep such as alarms etc
Titanium backup - to backup my stuff just incase something happening to my phone
That's it. If you don't need this I don't think you need to root at all.
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@ dxarch
Why should I root? Ans: Please google. You will get ample number of example why you have to root your phone.
Is it worth it for some apps? Ans: Yes. Most of the apps which benefits need root access.
Is rooting safer than installing a custom rom? Ans: You can not install custom rom without having Root access.
Is it hard to do? Ans: Depends on your knowledge. If you follow the processes mentioned in this forum, should not be an issue.
Should I install a custom rom ? Ans: Again your choice. I will prefer to go for Custom ROMs.
Is there any way getting back your warranty? Ans: No, I do not think so.
Should I root it because I have the phone only a week? Ans: That does not matter. I rooted my phone once I came back with my phone from showroom.
Any good guides? Ans: It is available in the forum. Please search.
What to do if I brick my phone? Ans: First you should not face any issues following the guide here. If still bricked then your bad. I have not bricked till days, where I am having very less knowledge in android. Take always backup before doing something unknown.
Will I still have all apps? Ans: Rooting does not delete any apps. You will get the power to delete bloatware and install so many apps those need root.
What are the pro's and con's? Ans: Please refer answer 1.
Any more information I need please post. Ans: Please check this forum. Everything is there..
Hit the Thanks button! Ans: Sorry I can not becoz I am helping you so I should get thanks from you. :laugh:
Best of luck..Gain some knowledge before going ahead with root that will give you more confidence.
KSKHH said:
@ dxarch
Hit the Thanks button! Ans: Sorry I can not becoz I am helping you so I should get thanks from you. :laugh:
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The "Hit the Thanks button!" is actually my taptalk signature but no problem...
dxarch said:
The "Hit the Thanks button!" is actually my taptalk signature but no problem...
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No problem buddy...
One last word..if you having ample money to buy a new phone in case you bricked the present one..then go and play with your phone..Else stay away from root if you are happy with whatever is there...
KSKHH said:
No problem buddy...
One last word..if you having ample money to buy a new phone in case you bricked the present one..then go and play with your phone..Else stay away from root if you are happy with whatever is there...
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Exactly, I rooted every phone I had except this one. I don't have money for a new one and I'm completely satisfied of the function and look (changed everything what I can without root) so it's only up to you if you want a new Rom or root based apps..
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No problem buddy...
One last word..if you having ample money to buy a new phone in case you bricked the present one..then go and play with your phone..Else stay away from root if you are happy with whatever is there...
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What!? I didn't know if i brick it i can't use it anymore. As far as I know you can use a recover.img or RUU... but I'm just a n00b
dxarch said:
What!? I didn't know if i brick it i can't use it anymore. As far as I know you can use a recover.img or RUU... but I'm just a n00b
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Depends on how you bricked it. And if you can flash a recovery.img or RUU, it's not a real brick.
But about the rooting:
I've rooted every device I owned + lots of other devices. It's surely worth it. ROMs make the device so much smoother, and when using atis112's kernel, you'll get the most out of your device. It also removes bloatware, and allows full theming. I don't see any problem with it, except the OTA's. But that's not that hard, you can flash the stock recovery/RUU, and you'll get them back.
In my experience, there's a really small chance of bricking your phone.It's a safe method.
new to rooting
dxarch said:
Hello,
I'm really confused should I root my phone or not, I want to have apps like titanium backup, juice defender, screen cast etc. But on the other side I don't want to lose my warranty. So I created some questions that you can answer me to help me decide.
Why should I root?
Is it worth it for some apps?
Is rooting safer than installing a custom rom?
Is it hard to do?
Should I install a custom rom ?
Is there any way getting back your warranty?
Should I root it because I have the phone only a week?
Any good guides?
What to do if I brick my phone?
Will I still have all apps?
What are the pro's and con's?
Any more information I need please post.
Hit the Thanks button!
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I own Desire X.
May be i am very late in replying but i ll try to answer some of ur questions.
I am new to rooting scene so in case of any wrong information, please correct me.
I will share my experience.
I rooted the phone coz i wanted access to limit my startup items. In addition, rooted phone can give u access to ur device completely.
Tutorial made by nloooo is awesome, otherwise its better you follow the tutorial specifically made by the developer of the product.
TWRP recovery is cool and serves the purpose.
I tried Elegencia ROM and now i am using mySENSE-dx_RC3.0. I really hate all the bloatware in my phone which is te main reason for installing ROM.
Going back to custom ROM is easy (i think), for that u need to have a full backup of ur system in TWRP.
Going to ctock ROM is a bit difficult using RUU as stock ROM in RUU need compatible CID of your phone.
Both these ROMs i mentioned above are are awesome and u can choose any one depending on ur needs. Advantages of Elegencia are that you can choose which software to install through aroma installer while installing ROM. Its light, flawless and cool.
Why i chose mySENSE-dx_RC3.0 is that i really loved Full Sense as compared ti sense lite in stock as well as Elegencia ROM.
I dont want to unlock the bootloader, just root the device so i can get titanium backup running again. Had 4.1.1 rooted and forgot to install root keeper and then upgraded to 4.1.2 and now need root again. Cant find anything on the site regarding this so not sure if its even possible yet. thanks for any help.
Try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=41243013
This is not new development. Please post in the q and a section. Thank you kindly. not being mean, just for future reference buddy. We've all made this mistake once or twice
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vtec2k7 said:
I dont want to unlock the bootloader, just root the device so i can get titanium backup running again. Had 4.1.1 rooted and forgot to install root keeper and then upgraded to 4.1.2 and now need root again. Cant find anything on the site regarding this so not sure if its even possible yet. thanks for any help.
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Why not unlock the boot loader there is always a Oden to complete stock with locked boot loader so u can return ice returned 2 phones with unlocked boot loaders and never had a issue even one even a MAXX HD lol and one note 2 as long add there's no root they return them. Not having your BL unlocked limits u quite a bit Its your phone just curious
I used casual, and did everything, root unlock and custom recovery
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There's no way to root without Odin of root66 just like last build. Expect casual of course and as stated this is the wrong section so I went ahead and reported it for you so adev can move it. Just keep the sections in mind for future posts please.
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Hi guys,
I'm looking for a root that does only that: give me root access.
Is CASUAL really the only possible way to achieve root? If so, is it necessary that it unlocks the boot-loader and installs custom recovery to achieve this?
I probably wouldn't mind except that I'd like to just be able to do OTA updates as available, which I hear is not possible after running casual, and I really don't want to fiddle with custom ROMs as the stock Note 2 one works so well for me.
Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions...
-Paul
PaulusGrandis said:
Hi guys,
I'm looking for a root that does only that: give me root access.
Is CASUAL really the only possible way to achieve root? If so, is it necessary that it unlocks the boot-loader and installs custom recovery to achieve this?
I probably wouldn't mind except that I'd like to just be able to do OTA updates as available, which I hear is not possible after running casual, and I really don't want to fiddle with custom ROMs as the stock Note 2 one works so well for me.
Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions...
-Paul
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Odin and root66 will root your phone. If you recieve a OTA while rooted it will get rid of your root completely and you will have to re-root your phone, it also has the potential to do some wonky **** to it (ive even heard of bricks happening because of being rooted and accepting the OTA).
Once your bootloader is unlocked you wouldnt have to flash roms if you didnt want to unless you wanted to update to a new OTA.
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I just bought z ultra
Kindly advice should I root it or not, I have read couple of feedback that its stock is already powerful
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Explorer2012 said:
I just bought z ultra
Kindly advice should I root it or not, I have read couple of feedback that its stock is already powerful
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First it depends on your desire. And how to receive root read the guide, the first post in this subject.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2569904
Why do you want/need root?
If you can answer that question; go for it.
I totally understand the need for root fot a lot of users.......that being said this is the first and only phone ive had in 5 years that I have not felt the need to root/unlock bootloader................................. YET!
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Explorer2012 said:
I just bought z ultra
Kindly advice should I root it or not, I have read couple of feedback that its stock is already powerful
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We can't offer advice. If you need access to the root directory for any reason then you will need to...
If not then obviously leave it as is.
All i can really say is; If you have to ask, you don't need it.
LordManhattan said:
All i can really say is; If you have to ask, you don't need it.
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Yep, because if one needs root, the question is... "What's the most recent / best method?"
My advise, don't worry about root until you need root access. I was doing fine without it until Sony decided to screw up sound enhancements on its latest software update. If you aren't on .136, my advice wait till kit Kat to make a decision on updating/rooting!:good:
Just to chime in here, I have a desire for root, but I'm still stock/no-root.
I know folks might disagree with me, but after reading pages and pages of howto's, etc. I've determined there is no way to backup your stock phone (TA partition/DRM keys) etc with any of the current methods.
To root you must unlock your boot loader, when you unlock your bootloader, your TA partition and DRM keys are gone.
This means you have voided your warranty and can never restore to a truly stock phone.
Yeah Yeah Yeah, I know you can revert all the way back to version 532, root the phone and then backup your TA, etc. This is a WHOLE lot of steps that if you aren't careful can leave you with a $700 brick. If your nervous at all about these multi-step processes, than just leave your phone alone.
As many have said, I really haven't even thought about a custom ROM for this phone. The ONLY thing I miss is being able to do a nandroid backup, as it's such a pain to rebuild my phone if something goes wonky.
-TheFixer
TheFixerAK said:
Just to chime in here, I have a desire for root, but I'm still stock/no-root.
I know folks might disagree with me, but after reading pages and pages of howto's, etc. I've determined there is no way to backup your stock phone (TA partition/DRM keys) etc with any of the current methods.
To root you must unlock your boot loader, when you unlock your bootloader, your TA partition and DRM keys are gone.
This means you have voided your warranty and can never restore to a truly stock phone.
Yeah Yeah Yeah, I know you can revert all the way back to version 532, root the phone and then backup your TA, etc. This is a WHOLE lot of steps that if you aren't careful can leave you with a $700 brick. If your nervous at all about these multi-step processes, than just leave your phone alone.
As many have said, I really haven't even thought about a custom ROM for this phone. The ONLY thing I miss is being able to do a nandroid backup, as it's such a pain to rebuild my phone if something goes wonky.
-TheFixer
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Wimp
I, and many of the other power users/posters (hamdogg, LordManhatton, [NUT], krabappel, DoomLord), have gone back and forth many times and have tested all of the steps. There were lots of Z1 (and a few ZU) bricks, mostly by flashing .290 without bootboundle.
The steps are simple, and you dont even need to unlock the BL to have root on .290/136
Flash [NUT]'s .532
Root w1th Bin4ry's tool
Backup TA
Unlock BL
Upgrade to latest FTF (or if on locked BL follow the steps for .290 and then .136)
Explorer2012 said:
I just bought z ultra
Kindly advice should I root it or not, I have read couple of feedback that its stock is already powerful
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My reasoning:
to root because:
1. I can mod the system app as i like too (camera, quick toggle, xposed, etc)
2. I can do easier and real backup with Titanium Backup
3. I can find alternative ROM when the stock ROM is not there anymore
not to root because:
1. It has unremovable battery, so i don't want to have it died faster with all that plug/unplug ordeal
2. i got all the service that was offered at the time of purchase, i just want to enjoy it as long as i can
3. The stock ROM is enough for me
4. Helium/Carbon Backup is there to substitute TiBu
So each of the way is good in for some reason. For me the the urge to mod is dead if you are not rooted (obvious) but there are a lot of other ways to do a modding, for instance, do your own program might be a better approach to fill on your own needs. There are more than one ways to Rome anyway
hansip87 said:
My reasoning:
to root because:
1. I can mod the system app as i like too (camera, quick toggle, xposed, etc)
2. I can do easier and real backup with Titanium Backup
3. I can find alternative ROM when the stock ROM is not there anymore
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Good one!!
rooting the latest is a pain. But i didnt start using my phone, till i had safely rooted it.
This is the only phone i havent rooted yet sincee the eclair era...no need.already powerful.smooth fast clear.nothing left to tweak n screw for me.best one yet.
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i dont root till Sony didnt released the last Firmware. If that gives me the Power to move Apps to SD the phone stays unrooted. If not i go for root, because of the size of my apps and because of the option Titanium Backup gives me
This is the only Android phone I have kept the stock ROM. I rooted it a couple of times but kept going back to the stable stock rom. The phone is naturally fast and smooth and has good memory and battery management as standard.
Need something else? then root.
Explorer2012 said:
I just bought z ultra
Kindly advice should I root it or not, I have read couple of feedback that its stock is already powerful
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I think the main reason to root these days is to use Xposed. Sony stock roms+Xposed make a wonderful combination of features and stability.
Just to give an example, with Xposed you can have the features of (what used to be) Paranoid Android on a Sony stock rom.
This said, it is true that rooting .290/.136 firmwares may be a pain in the ass, but anyone that follows instructions carefully should be able to do it safely.
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blueether said:
Wimp
I, and many of the other power users/posters (hamdogg, LordManhatton, [NUT], krabappel, DoomLord), have gone back and forth many times and have tested all of the steps. There were lots of Z1 (and a few ZU) bricks, mostly by flashing .290 without bootboundle.
The steps are simple, and you dont even need to unlock the BL to have root on .290/136
Flash [NUT]'s .532
Root w1th Bin4ry's tool
Backup TA
Unlock BL
Upgrade to latest FTF (or if on locked BL follow the steps for .290 and then .136)
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Wimp I am when it comes to my primary work device I have lots of other older devices that I've hacked the crap out of (I can't count how many ROM's I've put on my GT7.7) and my Dell Streak wasn't even useful until I put a custom ROM it.
None of what you described above is something that I haven't done with other devices (But never with my current everyday primary device). That being said, My original statement still stands - there is no SIMPLE way to ROOT your phone and keep/backup the original config/partitions. My last 3 devices, I downloaded an App, clicked the button and whammo, Root.
Until I absolutely need it, I'll just stick with Stock/No-Root (That is of course unless someone creates a Whammo solution).
Thank you all for your response.
I have decidedto stick to the stock ROM for time being.
Once again I truly appreciate your response
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