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This isn't a guide, more an informative post and discussion for Android application and platform developers, AND regular users. Maybe a guide in the future will be a goal of mine.
Some of you may or may not know what VMware is, what it is for, or never used it. Trying to keep the OP brief; VMware is a virtualization solution(s) for desktops and servers. In layman's terms it allows an operating system to be run inside another operating system, instead of setting your desktop to dual boot (have an option at startup to load either windows or Mac as example). There are many applications and benefits to this kind of solution that I won't get into in the OP.
Currently there are solutions available and being built, but are not yet completely optimized, but you can do it. For a developer this means you can be developing Android applications or platforms on whatever OS you want by virtualizing the OS and software currently supported. It also means that you can replace the Android virtual emulator with an Android OS inside VMware for application development, but also means you can load your Android platform into VMware for testing while you develop. Why would you want to do this? Well we all know how painful slow the emulator is, and it is just made worse if your hardware is slow. Because the emulator emulates software running on an arm processor inside an x86 environment things are slow, which means your development is slowed. Using VMware however you are using binary translation to "port" your platform to x86 processing. Currently this solution is not completely optimized, or "official" but it will be. That means less development time, more support, and a more convenient option!
The other edge of the sword is also a VMware virtual machine environment inside Android's Dalvik virtual machine. For users, and developers in certain scenarios this opens even more possibilities. Imagine having the ability to use your personal Android, and that pesky dumbed down corporate phone running together, the corporate advice running inside your personal device, or vice versa. Also, the ability to run any other OS in your device. Windows, Linux and UNIX distributions, solaris, Mac, whatever you wish. This opens lots more doors for Android devices.
Now not everything is complete, but it will be. It sounds like VMware will end up and be the de facto standard for virtualization for Android, as the solution is in the works for google to put VMware into the Android core, in the kernel. Now that would be sweet, because if you have used VMware you probably agree with me that it is THE virtualization solution in any application or solution you need it in.
Maybe this isn't as exciting to others as it is for me. What do you guys think? Let the topic begin!
The following links are meant more to cite my sources, but each one of them is a more detailed read into the topic, and well worth reading to inform yourself and see what is in the works:
http://i.downloadsquad.switched.com/2011/02/15/android-dalvik-vmware-virtualization/
http://gigaom.com/2011/09/27/vmware-mobilize-201/
http://www.android-x86.org/
Run ICS in x86!
gborn said:
Currently a thread about running ICS x86 in Virtualbox is spreaded here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19815659#post19815659
And I managed at least to create a version of ice cream sandwich running in VMware workstation 7 (should run also in VMware player 3 and 4 and in Workstation 8 as well). The steps to convert the Virtualbox image to VMware are described here.
http://www.borncity.com/blog/2011/11/29/running-ice-cream-sandwich-in-vmware/
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I use VMware and vSphere at work to manage a bunch of our servers. I'll have to check in with the guy at work who actually implements/sells this to customers to see what he thinks. It seems interesting for sure though.
DoctorComrade said:
I use VMware and vSphere at work to manage a bunch of our servers. I'll have to check in with the guy at work who actually implements/sells this to customers to see what he thinks. It seems interesting for sure though.
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I don't know if it applies to what your doing, but it is pretty cool to be able to use VMware on your mobile device. If you are managing virtual servers there is already an official solution from VMware you can download from the Android market. It is called VMware view, for Android. Pretty cool.
There is a thread currently at top, with 30 people saying the solution wanted is impossible. You are wrong guys, not impossible at all. You can have windows and Android booting on the same device. Arm processor, x86, doesn't matter with this solution.
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There is a thread currently at top, with 30 people saying the solution wanted is impossible. You are wrong guys, not impossible at all. You can have windows and Android booting on the same device. Arm processor, x86, doesn't matter with this solution.
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Nothing is impossible, but where are you going to get a bootloader, Windows binaries, and SoC drivers?
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Nothing is impossible, but where are you going to get a bootloader, Windows binaries, and SoC drivers?
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Well in terms of doing dual boot natively, I agree, probably never going to happen...ever. However if you run it in a virtual machine, just like Android runs in the Dalvik virtual machine, it can be done.
The bootloader and drivers are already built and would be taken care of by VMware. You make or hint at a valid point, there would never be enough desire for anyone to do it natively. It isn't impossible, but just would never see anyone take the time to do it
Ice Cream Sandwich x86 in VMware
Currently a thread about running ICS x86 in Virtualbox is spreaded here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19815659#post19815659
And I managed at least to create a version of ice cream sandwich running in VMware workstation 7 (should run also in VMware player 3 and 4 and in Workstation 8 as well). The steps to convert the Virtualbox image to VMware are described here.
http://www.borncity.com/blog/2011/11/29/running-ice-cream-sandwich-in-vmware/
gborn said:
Currently a thread about running ICS x86 in Virtualbox is spreaded here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19815659#post19815659
And I managed at least to create a version of ice cream sandwich running in VMware workstation 7 (should run also in VMware player 3 and 4 and in Workstation 8 as well). The steps to convert the Virtualbox image to VMware are described here.
http://www.borncity.com/blog/2011/11/29/running-ice-cream-sandwich-in-vmware/
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Bingo! Awesome contribution! Yeah this is one of the two examples I speak of, Android running on an x86 CPU (instead of arm like our phones and tablets) running as virtualization of hardware. Great reply to back me up, and even a guide to boot, AND ics!! If you must play with ICS before it gets to evo 3D
Added the ICS in VMware to OP.
I have tried this a few way and in no way can i get it to work on VMWARE gets stuck on found androidx86
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works fine, just make sure you follow the steps to the t and convert the .vdi images to .vmdk to run smoothly in vmwareplayer (the link to instructions is kinda hidden away)
i used virtualbox to convert, then vmplayer to run the vmdk
thanks for the info... fun to play around with
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works fine, just make sure you follow the steps to the t and convert the .vdi images to .vmdk to run smoothly in vmwareplayer (the link to instructions is kinda hidden away)
i used virtualbox to convert, then vmplayer to run the vmdk
thanks for the info... fun to play around with
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No problemo
heres some links to the vmdk images to work in vmplayer, dont thank me, thank the guy who wrote the guide on converting vdi to vmdk
ICS vmdk
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FZWH3G20
SD card vmdk
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=15TLJZ87
A lot of the development that has (is) taken place for our Nook's is performed by the developers in Linux. As such there are a few posts in the development thread that offer "Linux Only" solutions.
We already have the Original ClockWorkMod (CWM) installation instructions, AdamOutlers Ubuntu Recovery and others.
People have also been recommended to re-format their bootable SD Cards using a program in Linux called Gparted. I can verify that this program works great but I'm sure I'm in the minority with having access to a Linux Machine. This thread is here to offer some suggestions.
To my knowledge you have these options:
1. Run Linux in a Virtual Machine (VM)
2. Create and boot from a Live CD/DVD
3. Create and boot from a USB Stick
4. Install Linux on a separate machine
5. Dual Boot
I personally run a MAC and run Linux in a VM. I use a program called Parallels. This is NOT a free solution but if any of you run a MAC I can recommend this program highly. However this thread is dedicated to those Windoze Users so let's press on.
Virtual Machines
VM's are great tools that allow you to try almost all available OS's on your machine with no damage being done to the actual file system of the "Host" operating system which in this case is your windows machine. The "Guest" operating system is typically contained in one single file or a single folder so the entire machine can be backed up easily. This method may be a little more advanced then the method's I will outline below but in my opinion it is well worth it. VM's are fun and once you get the hang of them you will be installing a bunch of new operating systems just to "fiddle".I have a version of Dos 6 running in a VM just because I can. LOL
Virtual Box is a free VM for Windows and I believe they even offer pre-built Linux Distro's that you simply download and open once the main VM software is installed.
VMware Player is also free.
Live CD's/DVD's
Live CD's are great for a quick format job's such as those found here in the Forum's. The downside is that they are a little slower and changes you make while the system is running are lost.
Knoppix
Ubuntu is the distribution recommend most. This link brings you to a download page where you can select either a Full Install Version, a Live CD Version or a Flash Drive version.
The LiveCD List Too many to mention. Check it out.
USB Stick
Advantages to a USB stick is that you can make the file system mountable and changes you make to the system can be made persistent meaning the next time you boot your changes will be saved. It is also a tad bit faster then the live CD but a little more difficult to make. Not much though
Ubuntu same link as above.
Linux Live USB Creator is a cool application that you install and it talks you through the steps. Once Installed I believe it will even provide you with a list of available distributions and download it for you. It will then use the download to create a bootable USB stick.
PenDriveLinux is the same premise as Linux Live. It will talk you through the steps.
Full Installation
This method is obviously for more advanced users and requires a computer that you will dedicate to running linux. If you fit these qualifications it is a rather fun experience and a great learning tool.
Ubuntu I'm linking this again because it is the same area you would obtain the Full Version of the software to download.
Linux Distro Watch contains a complete list of the most recent Linux Distro's. Pick a flavor and read up on how to install.
Dual Boot
AdamOutler has suggested that this Section be added. Dual booting is an option that replaces your boot loader with an "option" screen allowing you to select which OS you wish to boot. I honestly can't recommend this to beginners and even though I consider myself more of an advanced user, I have experienced issues with this in the past. Simply put if that boot-loader somehow gets corrupted you can render the entire machine inaccessible. Mind you it has been a LONG time since I used a dual-boot solution and I'm sure the methods have improved significantly over the years. Adam has mentioned that the Live-CD and USB-Stick versions offer you the option to install the boot-loader now. Like I said, once I went to VM's I haven't looked back but this IS a viable option if you are so inclined. The advantage would be that your Linux Distro would run at full speed and would be just like having your own Linux workstation without the need to purchase or obtain additional hardware. Simply select the OS you wish to run (Windows, Linux, ETC.) and boot into that OS. Adam's post can be viewed HERE. Thanks Adam!
User Suggestions
Wubi was recommended by Veronica (Lavero.Burgos). It looks like it may be a pretty easy (and Cool) option. Give it a shot! Thanks Veronica!
Know-Fear has offer some additional Instructions in This Post. Good Information there. Give him a thanks!
Birdsbeaks recommends NOT taking the easy road if you are truly interested in "learning" Linux. He suggests that you start with a distro that has a "steeper learning curve". One of his recommendations was Slackware. He also prefers MINT over Ubuntu as he feels it is less "proprietary". You can read his full comment HERE.
By no means is this list even close to complete. I simply wanted to give you a starting point and the rest is up to you. I have tried a few of these solutions in the past but since moving to a VM solution that is where I stand. Since it has been awhile, your mileage may vary (YMMV) but this should get you started.
If you have questions feel free to post them and I will do my best to help you along but the best way to learn is to experiment on your own.
If anybody has tried other versions or solutions feel free to post them and I will update the Original Post (OP).
Have fun and good luck!
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I choose to dual boot windows 7 and Ubuntu.
All the options you mentioned work. Probably a live CD or USB would be the best bet for most people, since most probably wont spend alot of time on it.
@LandMaster you forgot Wubi, also have anyone tested Ubuntu 12.04 LTS alpha? So far im researching about Cinnamon Linux Mint 12 which looks promising .
~ Veronica
lavero.burgos said:
@LandMaster you forgot Wubi, also have anyone tested the new 12.04 LTS alpha of Ubuntu? So far im researching about Cinnamon Linux Mint 12 which looks promising .
~ Veronica
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Added. Thanks!! Looks cool. I had never heard of it
What is this Windows you speak of.
don't forget to add in the full installation that most Live CDs and USB sticks will give you the option to run "side-by-side" or "Dual-boot". Personally, I'd just wipe Windows from the computer, if you need it back for some reason just use your quick restore disks.
I run a dual boot on my netbook because I have some hardware that requires Windows. Other than that, I can run about 3 separate virtual machines at the same time within Linux and everything works fine... Windows xp, Windows 7 and OS-X Lion all run fine in virtual machines within Linux. With guest additions, you can make them full-screen or share your desktop with the virtual machine so "Windows" windows appear in the same space as the Linux windows.
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don't forget to add in the full installation that most Live CDs and USB sticks will give you the option to run "side-by-side" or "Dual-boot". Personally, I'd just wipe Windows from the computer, if you need it back for some reason just use your quick restore disks.
I run a dual boot on my netbook because I have some hardware that requires Windows. Other than that, I can run about 3 separate virtual machines at the same time within Linux and everything works fine... Windows xp, Windows 7 and OS-X Lion all run fine in virtual machines within Linux. With guest additions, you can make them full-screen or share your desktop with the virtual machine so "Windows" windows appear in the same space as the Linux windows.
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I added a dual-boot section to the OP. I'm out of thanks for the day. I'll hook you up later.
Totally agree about Windoze. I have a really good laptop that runs Win 7 and it would take me about an hour just to clean the dust off of it.
As this guide is for "beginners" I didn't really want to tell them to forego windows and wipe their boxes. Hopefully they will come around once they have a chance to experiment with Linux.
AdamOutler said:
don't forget to add in the full installation that most Live CDs and USB sticks will give you the option to run "side-by-side" or "Dual-boot". Personally, I'd just wipe Windows from the computer, if you need it back for some reason just use your quick restore disks.
I run a dual boot on my netbook because I have some hardware that requires Windows. Other than that, I can run about 3 separate virtual machines at the same time within Linux and everything works fine... Windows xp, Windows 7 and OS-X Lion all run fine in virtual machines within Linux. With guest additions, you can make them full-screen or share your desktop with the virtual machine so "Windows" windows appear in the same space as the Linux windows.
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Nice!. Adam i have a question for you, i have a netbook as well HP110CA(that gave to bf) 1GB of ram and im having issues with linux on it. It came with windows XP off course and i had to format it twice because it got viruses while in Canada, so i just wiped out and put ubuntu 10.10 in that time. At first was running ok but eventually it started to freeze, later on upgraded to 11.04 and it messed things up so i decided to try other "light" distro and i put Jolicloud(based on ubuntu) again started running fine but keeps freezing and more often, now i don't know what else to put in i was thinking on Puppy linux lol but im not sure why it freezes that much. When i had it with windows it never froze though but i don't want to go back to windows only if its my last resource. What would you recommend? im starting to think its a hardware failure and that linux is too much for that poor machine .
~ Veronica
Hell yeah but I think I messed up bc i. Put the disk in and restarted and it to me to a black screen with cursor so i even up have to goto bios or cmos one of those and change first boot to dvd so hopefully after I'm done with this I. Can get back to windows hopefully my drive order is correct
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Anon9mouz said:
Hell yeah but I think I messed up bc i. Put the disk in and restarted and it to me to a black screen with cursor so i even up have to goto bios or cmos one of those and change first boot to dvd so hopefully after I'm done with this I. Can get back to windows hopefully my drive order is correct
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Yup... When booting from a USB drive or CD the boot order must be set in the bios. I recommend just leaving it as:
1. DVD/CD Rom
2. USB
3. C drive
This way here if 1 & 2 are not attached it will boot from the "C Drive"
I would unplug the hard drive if I were the noobs just in case. That way the noobs wont accidentally wipe their Hard drive
My recommendation for "beginners" would be to try Ubuntu in a Virtual machine ( i use Vmware and love it, has never let me down) and you can still work in your Windows interface, it is also easy to share files between windows and your virtual machine.
It is enough for all the sdcard mods and even adb if you want to set it up there too. I prefer this way rather than Wubi because i can work faster that way, i don't need to reboot to boot into windows, i have all i need in the same place .
~ Veronica
I prefer running either zen-mini or pclos gnome in virtualbox myself
Anon9mouz said:
Hell yeah but I think I messed up bc i. Put the disk in and restarted and it to me to a black screen with cursor so i even up have to goto bios or cmos one of those and change first boot to dvd so hopefully after I'm done with this I. Can get back to windows hopefully my drive order is correct
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Sent from my PG86100-EVO3D-using Tapatalk Born Jan 5th 84 and still getting it in eeee
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This happens when you use a 64 bit Linux on a 32 bit system. Also when you have a bad copy. Burn at a lower speed. Try redownloading.
AdamOutler said:
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I can run about 3 separate virtual machines at the same time within Linux and everything works fine... Windows xp, Windows 7 and OS-X Lion all run fine in virtual machines within Linux.
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It's been a couple years since I tried running OSX on non-apple hardware / in a vm. Can you point me to a good resource for this?
I don't always use virtual machines, but when I do, I use VirtualBox. Mostly because it's free.
I have ubuntu 11.10 on my netbook and, while I like the interface, it seems like things get a little slugish at times. Anybody out there know of a good distro for netbooks?
RadicalAns said:
I don't always use virtual machines, but when I do, I use VirtualBox. Mostly because it's free.
I have ubuntu 11.10 on my netbook and, while I like the interface, it seems like things get a little slugish at times. Anybody out there know of a good distro for netbooks?
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I don't always drink beer, but when I do... Oh wait .... getting sidetracked..
I just did a quick search and believe it or not Ubuntu leads the ranking's on This Page
I remember putting the "Netbook Remix" on an older netbook and it ran OK but not great from what I recall. From quickly glancing at this article it sounds like that version has been merged with the main distribution. You may be able to locate a copy of it though and try it out.
Yeah I really like 11.10 for my netbook. I think I may end up just upgrading the ram on the little bugger. It's nice having a Linux machine that I can muck around on while watching TV w/ the wife.
lavero.burgos said:
Nice!. Adam i have a question for you, i have a netbook as well HP110CA(that gave to bf) 1GB of ram and im having issues with linux on it. It came with windows XP off course and i had to format it twice because it got viruses while in Canada, so i just wiped out and put ubuntu 10.10 in that time. At first was running ok but eventually it started to freeze, later on upgraded to 11.04 and it messed things up so i decided to try other "light" distro and i put Jolicloud(based on ubuntu) again started running fine but keeps freezing and more often, now i don't know what else to put in i was thinking on Puppy linux lol but im not sure why it freezes that much. When i had it with windows it never froze though but i don't want to go back to windows only if its my last resource. What would you recommend? im starting to think its a hardware failure and that linux is too much for that poor machine .
~ Veronica
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Can someone help me with this one plz i don't know what else to install it lol oh well maybe i end up going back to windows XP.. sigh
~ V
Hi all,
I am wondering if it it would be possible with a kind of light virtualization tool, to run some very simple Windows applications (a .exe file with no installation required, no registry, no .dll, etc.) within Android.
Of course it would'nt be to use it on a smartphone but on a tablet.
Does it already exist ?
Use Bosch (I think that's what it's called) and install windows 95/xp.
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There are emulators like Bochs and DosBox that will emulate an x86 system. But its going to be pretty slow feeling. ARM and x86 use different instruction sets so everything has to basically be translated between the two which slows things down. If its a modern or big program you'll be better off running through a remote desktop program.
Thanks Guys,
In fact it is only simple .exe files which don't need powerful calculations.
But you mean that it will need to install a full Window OS ?
I'll have a look to these two softwares you mentionned.
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Thanks Guys,
In fact it is only simple .exe files which don't need powerful calculations.
But you mean that it will need to install a full Window OS ?
I'll have a look to these two softwares you mentionned.
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Yeah, but you might be able to use a slimmed down version of the OS though.
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Yes you would need to install a emulated OS which is probably limited to Windows 9x or older. I don't think there is anything out there that can emulate the newer non DOS based versions of Windows like 2000, XP, etc.
WINE works without installing an OS since its x86 on x86. Makes you wonder if it would be possible to build WINE for Android x86.
Well then, these solutions are too heavy for what I want to do.
I don't want to emulate a full OS.
Maybe later, if there are more and more needs like mine, some developpers (or Google itself) will create such a too to run some simple Windows apps on Android without installing Windows...
Has anyone so far got any form of linux (vnc or framebuffer or any way it might work) on our tablet? A while ago i saw @Stevethegreat write about it in the androplus kernel thread and i'm wondering if anything came out of that. It would be really nice to get debian or ubuntu on here because my note 10.1 is getting quite slow for more demanding programs with its weedy 1.4 ghz exynos while the 810 would probably do amazingly well. By the way in case anyone was about to suggest it-- the linux deploy or complete linux installer apps don't seem to work on this tablet (stock rooted and androplus kernel), linux deploy fails at the beginning of the install and complete linux installer just plain force closes when trying to start the linux.... Any ideas?
What do you want to run on the tablet?
Graphic-wise I do not miss anything.
With a terminal emulator and busybox or adb-shell the commandline takes me far...
I could even cross compile some arm-binaries if I had the itch.
For my server needs I have a Raspberry Pi2 (seafile, carddav, caldav) for < 50 EUR with nice case and power supply. Eats < 10 EUR electricity/year.
DHGE said:
What do you want to run on the tablet?
Graphic-wise I do not miss anything.
With a terminal emulator and busybox or adb-shell the commandline takes me far...
I could even cross compile some arm-binaries if I had the itch.
For my server needs I have a Raspberry Pi2 (seafile, carddav, caldav) for < 50 EUR with nice case and power supply. Eats < 10 EUR electricity/year.
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I mostly need propper linux to run exagear desktop which enables x86 programs to run on arm so that these tablets can be used as a intel laptop replacement . While it runs fine on my pi2 that is really a bit too weak even at 1 or 1.2 ghz and while it is faster on the old note i bet the 810 would make it approach the speeds of a entry level or mid range intel laptop and increase usability by alot. It also seems to me a bit weird how the apps i wrote about in the first post simply do not work on the z4tab even with selinux on premissive and such.
I don't own the tablet so I can't be 100% sure. However if you compile a kernel with Virtual Terminal support and follow the linux guide I wrote for Note 10.1 2014 tablet , I'm mostly positive that you'd get a rather responsive linux implementation. You have to forget hardware acceleration though (as it is dependant to the particular architecture of each and every device), unless you found a way to implement it...
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I don't own the tablet so I can't be 100% sure. However if you compile a kernel with Virtual Terminal support and follow the linux guide I wrote for Note 10.1 2014 tablet , I'm mostly positive that you'd get a rather responsive linux implementation. You have to forget hardware acceleration though (as it is dependant to the particular architecture of each and every device), unless you found a way to implement it...
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This guide? http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-to-install-gnu-linux-samsung-galaxy-t3239809
I will try it but first i need to figure out why the linuxdeploy itself wont work... But thank you anyway, no hardware acceleration is more than good enough for my needs
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This guide? http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-to-install-gnu-linux-samsung-galaxy-t3239809
I will try it but first i need to figure out why the linuxdeploy itself wont work... But thank you anyway, no hardware acceleration is more than good enough for my needs
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Yeah, but you have to edit some of the files there. For example the kernel used there is obviously for Note tablet, *don't attempt to flash it to Xperia tablet* it will brick it. Also you'd have to edit the xorg.conf fille that you have to copy to the first step (follow the explanation part).
If you do the above two probably both the quick guide and the full guide would work. If not it would mean that I'd have to update my LinuxCanvas app, in which case someone should donate to me an Xperia tablet Z4
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Yeah, but you have to edit some of the files there. For example the kernel used there is obviously for Note tablet, *don't attempt to flash it to Xperia tablet* it will brick it. Also you'd have to edit the xorg.conf fille that you have to copy to the first step (follow the explanation part).
If you do the above two probably both the quick guide and the full guide would work. If not it would mean that I'd have to update my LinuxCanvas app, in which case someone should donate to me an Xperia tablet Z4
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One would have to be pretty mad to go trying to install Linux on a tablet and then flash a kernel from a samsung to a sony xD But yeah... i will try it IF this Linux Deploy will get about maybe working for a change...
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One would have to be pretty mad to go trying to install Linux on a tablet and then flash a kernel from a samsung to a sony xD But yeah... i will try it IF this Linux Deploy will get about maybe working for a change...
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Yeah I know, I just want to be clear so that nobody (of those reading here) would attmpt that and suddenly think that I was the one that bricked his device. I can do without such charges
As for linuxdeploy, I use version 1.5.3 in my guide as it is the one with less issues. I gave a link there to the apk. Try it and see how it goes.
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Has anyone so far got any form of linux (vnc or framebuffer or any way it might work) on our tablet?
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Linux deploy 1.5.6, current from play store, works well for me on a rooted SGP771, of course with an Andro+ kernel. Using armhf gave the least problems to get a Ubuntu or Debian installed with graphics via a local or remote VNC viewer.
Since the Z4T is 64 bits, I however aimed to install an arm64 architecture. Here, the success rate is lower, which is mostly due to packages that cannot be installed and a bug in tightvncserver with arm64 and higher color depth'.
I however finally succeeded with arm64 too, by using Ubuntu wily, LXDE and an x11rdp installed via ssh instead of tightvncserver. Now I'm trying a framebuffer display for speed, power consumption and a higher DPI, but yet without success. Changing DPI for VNC is simple, as Linux Deploy has a setting for it, but using RDP this seems to be tricky.
Did you say which error you get with Linux Deploy? I found it useful to turn on debug and trace output in the settings. The very first issue I had with Linux Deploy, first on the SGP621, later again on the SGP771, was that I tried to use the file method on the external SD card without the necessary permissions. On the Z4T I now use the internal storage instead, it's much faster too.
Unfortunately I'm not a Linux or Android guy, so I need to google solutions for each and every problem I encounter and I don't even think of trying to resolve package installation problems.
My objective is mostly to see how far I can get using Linux on such a lightweight device as the Z4T.
I already had the Eclipse IDE with JDT and CDT running fast enough for productive work. GHC (Haskell) runs too, but not GHCI. Using Linux with a touchscreen only and at such a high DPI is still disappointing. To my surprise, mc works rather well with a tochscreen in a fullscreen terminal via ssh. My holy grail shall however be to see Windows 8.1 running in qemu. I wonder how that will perform. Not so well I suppose. Maybe a combination of Wine and qemu would work ok, where qemu only executes the x86 application code and leaves the OS code behind the Windows APIs up to be executed natively by Wine...
On my raspi2 I use armhf
@vartha
Interesting how far you've come.
On my Raspberry I have no problems (even used LibreOffice on LXDE) with armhf.
armhf (32 bit) gives no problems in package selections so far and should work on the Tablet Z4.
Some background:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/armhf/index.html.de
https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Port
Problems with the tablet could setting up drivers for the qualcomm hardware in your version of Linux.
At least SONY provide the sources for the kernel and heading over to qualcomm there is tons of documentation. Here you look at specific (OEM-) boards. Our tablet is not that exotic.
I doubt you could run a huge operating system of INTEL-architecture due to memory constraints. Windows NT4 or XP might be possible in 3Gbytes host memory.
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Linux deploy 1.5.6, current from play store, works well for me on a rooted SGP771, of course with an Andro+ kernel. Using armhf gave the least problems to get a Ubuntu or Debian installed with graphics via a local or remote VNC viewer.
Since the Z4T is 64 bits, I however aimed to install an arm64 architecture. Here, the success rate is lower, which is mostly due to packages that cannot be installed and a bug in tightvncserver with arm64 and higher color depth'.
I however finally succeeded with arm64 too, by using Ubuntu wily, LXDE and an x11rdp installed via ssh instead of tightvncserver. Now I'm trying a framebuffer display for speed, power consumption and a higher DPI, but yet without success. Changing DPI for VNC is simple, as Linux Deploy has a setting for it, but using RDP this seems to be tricky.
Did you say which error you get with Linux Deploy? I found it useful to turn on debug and trace output in the settings. The very first issue I had with Linux Deploy, first on the SGP621, later again on the SGP771, was that I tried to use the file method on the external SD card without the necessary permissions. On the Z4T I now use the internal storage instead, it's much faster too.
Unfortunately I'm not a Linux or Android guy, so I need to google solutions for each and every problem I encounter and I don't even think of trying to resolve package installation problems.
My objective is mostly to see how far I can get using Linux on such a lightweight device as the Z4T.
I already had the Eclipse IDE with JDT and CDT running fast enough for productive work. GHC (Haskell) runs too, but not GHCI. Using Linux with a touchscreen only and at such a high DPI is still disappointing. To my surprise, mc works rather well with a tochscreen in a fullscreen terminal via ssh. My holy grail shall however be to see Windows 8.1 running in qemu. I wonder how that will perform. Not so well I suppose. Maybe a combination of Wine and qemu would work ok, where qemu only executes the x86 application code and leaves the OS code behind the Windows APIs up to be executed natively by Wine...
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I am now installing the v20 androplus and rooting.. will try again when this is done
vartha said:
Linux deploy 1.5.6, current from play store, works well for me on a rooted SGP771, of course with an Andro+ kernel. Using armhf gave the least problems to get a Ubuntu or Debian installed with graphics via a local or remote VNC viewer.
Since the Z4T is 64 bits, I however aimed to install an arm64 architecture. Here, the success rate is lower, which is mostly due to packages that cannot be installed and a bug in tightvncserver with arm64 and higher color depth'.
I however finally succeeded with arm64 too, by using Ubuntu wily, LXDE and an x11rdp installed via ssh instead of tightvncserver. Now I'm trying a framebuffer display for speed, power consumption and a higher DPI, but yet without success. Changing DPI for VNC is simple, as Linux Deploy has a setting for it, but using RDP this seems to be tricky.
Did you say which error you get with Linux Deploy? I found it useful to turn on debug and trace output in the settings. The very first issue I had with Linux Deploy, first on the SGP621, later again on the SGP771, was that I tried to use the file method on the external SD card without the necessary permissions. On the Z4T I now use the internal storage instead, it's much faster too.
Unfortunately I'm not a Linux or Android guy, so I need to google solutions for each and every problem I encounter and I don't even think of trying to resolve package installation problems.
My objective is mostly to see how far I can get using Linux on such a lightweight device as the Z4T.
I already had the Eclipse IDE with JDT and CDT running fast enough for productive work. GHC (Haskell) runs too, but not GHCI. Using Linux with a touchscreen only and at such a high DPI is still disappointing. To my surprise, mc works rather well with a tochscreen in a fullscreen terminal via ssh. My holy grail shall however be to see Windows 8.1 running in qemu. I wonder how that will perform. Not so well I suppose. Maybe a combination of Wine and qemu would work ok, where qemu only executes the x86 application code and leaves the OS code behind the Windows APIs up to be executed natively by Wine...
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Well now on marshmallow it works!
I'm looking for a way to install arch Linux NATIVELY on the touchpad, I tried with kexec and the images available for it and it's all broken, it won't even complete the installation, I also tried this install guide with this image because the install guide uses images that are no longer available to download, but also no luck, there is also this post but the guy said it's really old and the txt file that is in his archive keeps repeating that it's "hacky".
So I really need a nice and modern approach, I know a lot about Linux, just not about porting so if someone wants to try and make a new port and a new installation method I could try to help.
We should really try to do this because it would bring a new life to the TP, imagine running i3-gaps on this beautiful piece of hardware.
Hope you guys can help me and before I post this I gotta say: "Btw, I use Arch".
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I'm looking for a way to install arch Linux NATIVELY on the touchpad,
That will require a new Kernel and drivers for WiFI, Sound, Touch Screen and any other hardware.
I tried with kexec and the images available for it and it's all broken, it won't even complete the installation, I also tried this install guide with this image because the install guide uses images that are no longer available to download, but also no luck, there is also this post but the guy said it's really old and the txt file that is in his archive keeps repeating that it's "hacky".
So I really need a nice and modern approach, I know a lot about Linux, just not about porting so if someone wants to try and make a new port and a new installation method I could try to help.
We should really try to do this because it would bring a new life to the TP, imagine running i3-gaps on this beautiful piece of hardware.
Hope you guys can help me and before I post this I gotta say: "Btw, I use Arch".
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The only way that I know that is reliable and works using the lastes Ubuntu, Debian or Arch in a chroot environment.
Click HERE for how to How to install Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Bionix Beaver, armhf on the HP Touchpad Desktop Environment XFCE and LXDE on a partition as chroot.
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The only way that I know that is reliable and works using the lastes Ubuntu, Debian or Arch in a chroot environment.
Click HERE for how to How to install Ubuntu 18.04 LTS Bionix Beaver, armhf on the HP Touchpad Desktop Environment XFCE and LXDE on a partition as chroot.
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I mean, that would work, but would require Android and wouldn't be native, I want to have arch and webos, both running native.
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I mean, that would work, but would require Android and wouldn't be native, I want to have arch and webos, both running native.
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The kernel is what makes the OS works by providing support for the hardware. WebOS Kernel is OLD and not supported by any current Linux, even LuneOS use the Android Kernel.
Android can be install and keep WebOS, it was a great OS but not nothing current will run on it.
Using the method posted, the most up to date and current Linux distribution of Arch, Debian, Ubuntu and more can all be install on the same Tablet running Android and use any Linux flavor without rebooting.
Android provides a very stable newer kernel that will share the resources with any listed Linux flavors and those built are native arm, runs super fast. If you want it to have all that done natively and not using Android, then the Kernel must be modified and all the "private drivers" ported to the most current version of Linux. The OS can not be updated as Linux will modify the Kernel, breaking everything. But everything is possible, is up to the user how much time and dedication plus the knowledge required to make it work.
HP_TOUCHPAD said:
The kernel is what makes the OS works by providing support for the hardware. WebOS Kernel is OLD and not supported by any current Linux, even LuneOS use the Android Kernel.
Android can be install and keep WebOS, it was a great OS but not nothing current will run on it.
Using the method posted, the most up to date and current Linux distribution of Arch, Debian, Ubuntu and more can all be install on the same Tablet running Android and use any Linux flavor without rebooting.
Android provides a very stable newer kernel that will share the resources with any listed Linux flavors and those built are native arm, runs super fast. If you want it to have all that done natively and not using Android, then the Kernel must be modified and all the "private drivers" ported to the most current version of Linux. The OS can not be updated as Linux will modify the Kernel, breaking everything. But everything is possible, is up to the user how much time and dedication plus the knowledge required to make it work.
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I don't mind running old kernel/package versions, I am actually trying to run the old projects but most have the Images down and unavailable and the ones that don't just straight won't work.
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I don't mind running old kernel/package versions, I am actually trying to run the old projects but most have the Images down and unavailable and the ones that don't just straight won't work.
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I never installed any native Linux Os on the Tablet. The Ubuntu Touch was promising but never took off. The system must be stable for anything to be use otherwise is just experimental as most of those builds were. Running Linux in a Chroot environment is somewhat, not the same, as a Linux guest virtual machine and Android as a host.
That is the only way I know of, that is stable and current.
Ok so right now I have two more options available to try but they are probably not gonna work, in that case I'll start to look about making my own port of ArchLinuxARM
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Ok so right now I have two more options available to try but they are probably not gonna work, in that case I'll start to look about making my own port of ArchLinuxARM
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I did search for a working native linux OS for the Tablet, but did not found any.
It can surely be done, take a look at this video and the source at GitHub.
Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx8_u1jhXJY
GitHub
https://github.com/CalcProgrammer1/kernel_tenderloin_debian
The Tablet uses LVM and can easily be partition in any way. It can also boot directly into Linux. The only thing to do is rename the file in /boot uImage.moboot to the Linux uImage ( example ) uImage.ArchLinux.
If any help, let me know.
Have fun!
I'm making some progress
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I'm making some progress
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Congratulations !
You did it ! once it boots is all it matters.
This is an idea, a chroot Arch can be built inside Android
A partition can be created in LVM Arch_Linux ( any size )
Inside Android with the App I posted, create the Chroot Arch Linux ( up to date )
Then modify the Ramdisk to direct at the partition Arch_Linux ( same it was use in the Chroot )
Then it should boot up ( some other changes will need to happen I guess)
Arch armv7l as chroot in Android 8.1 with HpTp_MAX
Testing the new kernel settings in Android and installed the latest version of Linux Arch using Linux Deploy.
It is fast and it would be even better running native!
Attached are the screenshots.