Sorry guys, I'm normally on top of this. There's just so much out there that I'm thoroughly confused. I'm on 1.13.651RC2, really just want to know what to do and in what order to prevent, as much as possible, google wallet bricking my secure element.
Do I S-OFF first thru lazypanda then install twrp, nandroid, then root? Or can u do it that way? Wow things change so quick. Used the regawmethod previously, but I don't really want to do the HTCdevunlocked bull. Does zedomax work w soff?
I have read all of those threads before, but things changed since I read them. Never accepted the ota, so I should use the old methods then right? Anything I need to be aware of?
I'm good with the technical aspects of it. Just a perfectionist that wants to know the best way to go about it if u will. Sure a lot of u guys know what I'm saying.
Well anywoys help and or a link would be great. Thanks a lot fellerz.
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Anthonicia said:
Sorry guys, I'm normally on top of this. There's just so much out there that I'm thoroughly confused. I'm on 1.13.651RC2, really just want to know what to do and in what order to prevent, as much as possible, google wallet bricking my secure element.
Do I S-OFF first thru lazypanda then install twrp, nandroid, then root? Or can u do it that way? Wow things change so quick. Used the regawmethod previously, but I don't really want to do the HTCdevunlocked bull. Does zedomax work w soff?
I have read all of those threads before, but things changed since I read them. Never accepted the ota, so I should use the old methods then right? Anything I need to be aware of?
I'm good with the technical aspects of it. Just a perfectionist that wants to know the best way to go about it if u will. Sure a lot of u guys know what I'm saying.
Well anywoys help and or a link would be great. Thanks a lot fellerz.
Ask me about my ability to annoy complete strangers!
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Follow lazy panda to a t you should be fine, there's a post in between 140 and 150 in the thread that a lot of people recommend, i think its post 146.
sent from my LTEvo
Post 475 (by PhxkinMassacre) in the thread is the one most people mention. It's what I followed for multiple phones too.
All of the phones I did were already rooted using the script/instructions at htcevohacks.com/htc-evo-4g-lte-root/how-to-root-htc-evo-4g-lte/
Worked perfect every time.
Anthonicia said:
Sorry guys, I'm normally on top of this. There's just so much out there that I'm thoroughly confused. I'm on 1.13.651RC2, really just want to know what to do and in what order to prevent, as much as possible, google wallet bricking my secure element.
Do I S-OFF first thru lazypanda then install twrp, nandroid, then root? Or can u do it that way? Wow things change so quick. Used the regawmethod previously, but I don't really want to do the HTCdevunlocked bull. Does zedomax work w soff?
I have read all of those threads before, but things changed since I read them. Never accepted the ota, so I should use the old methods then right? Anything I need to be aware of?
I'm good with the technical aspects of it. Just a perfectionist that wants to know the best way to go about it if u will. Sure a lot of u guys know what I'm saying.
Well anywoys help and or a link would be great. Thanks a lot fellerz.
Ask me about my ability to annoy complete strangers!
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If you don't want to use HTC dev, here's what I would do:
1. S-OFF w/ lazy panda http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1737123
- DISCLAIMER: I was already dev unlocked and rooted when I used this. I don't think being rooted is a pre-req, but may want to double check the official thread. The main thing is you want to be on a 1.13 based ROM (which it sounds like you are)
- I followed post #475, there is also a link to it in the OP.
- I would recommend copying the contents of your sd card to your PC, then formatting the sd card on your phone. I bricked the first time I used lazy panda, but I was able to unbrick and after I formatted my sd card it worked fine the second time. Be prepared to either dual boot Ubuntu on your PC or create a live boot disc or flash drive in case you need to unbrick.
2. Use zedomax's root method http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671577
- This only gives local root (no recovery)
3. Install TWRP
- Boot into the phone normally, install GooManager from the market
- Launch the app, hit menu, select Install OpenRecoveryScript
Then you should be ready to flash whatever you want.
Also if you use the regaw method to root and install twrp in one click you aren't flagged by HTC as he created something like 100 accounts and it randomly cycles between them when unlocking your phone.
At least the way I understand it.
Then when you s-off you'll already have twrp installed.
That's how I did it.
Naters
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NaterTots said:
Also if you use the regaw method to root and install twrp in one click you aren't flagged by HTC as he created something like 100 accounts and it randomly cycles between them when unlocking your phone.
At least the way I understand it.
Then when you s-off you'll already have twrp installed.
That's how I did it.
Naters
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I clearly need to read thru all these threads again. When using regaw method doesn't it clear all data on your phone? Maybe getting mixed up with other stuff.
Man, was hoping I could do this all at work tonight. Not looking like its gonna happen.
Guess I will rent my $25 worth of HTC watch rentals before I can't when I'm rooted. Will feel like I wasted money even tho its free. Hate that feel. Lol
Thanks for the helpful posts and links.
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This is just what i need...
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Anthonicia said:
I clearly need to read thru all these threads again. When using regaw method doesn't it clear all data on your phone?
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I can't say whether it does or not, but the method I linked to.does not clear data.in your phone. It just gives root.
Recovery & S-Off are separate steps too. All easy though.
Anthonicia said:
I clearly need to read thru all these threads again. When using regaw method doesn't it clear all data on your phone? Maybe getting mixed up with other stuff.
Man, was hoping I could do this all at work tonight. Not looking like its gonna happen.
Guess I will rent my $25 worth of HTC watch rentals before I can't when I'm rooted. Will feel like I wasted money even tho its free. Hate that feel. Lol
Thanks for the helpful posts and links.
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Yes, unlocking the bootloader through HTC dev does wipe the phone.
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So I kind of thought that once any temp root was established, that one could write a recovery which would in turn, enable the ability to flash a rooted ROM... thus giving a semi-perm root....
Why can we not do this?
Are we unable to flash a recovery with our temp root?
Or does flashing a recovery require S-OFF? Which, pardon me if I am mistaken, but I thought we DIDN'T have S-OFF in the beginning when we were doing the 4Gs yet we were still able to flash rooted ROMs.
And if it is an eng bootloader we need, don't we have one for the 3D?
From what I understand, the partition where we can write the eng hboot is encrypted, so we need to get around that before we can do anything major.
Dont complain atleast you guys have some form of root
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edufur said:
So I kind of thought that once any temp root was established, that one could write a recovery which would in turn, enable the ability to flash a rooted ROM... thus giving a semi-perm root....
Why can we not do this?
Are we unable to flash a recovery with our temp root?
Or does flashing a recovery require S-OFF? Which, pardon me if I am mistaken, but I thought we DIDN'T have S-OFF in the beginning when we were doing the 4Gs yet we were still able to flash rooted ROMs.
And if it is an eng bootloader we need, don't we have one for the 3D?
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I thought the same thing. But its a different hboot, needing different things. Idk the mechanics of it all, but obviously we would have done that by now if tht were true..
Just a heads up, prepare to get possibly flammed
the problem is that we dont have enough arrogant, ignorant, impatient ass holes making posts implying that the devs are incompetent. so for that, i thank you for doing your part to help
you obviously have no idea what is involved in cracking this phone open. threads like this do nothing but discourage people who are doing this for FUN. so do us all a favor and do some research before making a new thread. you know, maybe get a clue about what you are talking about first?
My post wasnt ment to insult ot was ment to inply that you sould be thankfull for what the devs have been able to acheve for you if you want it faster try it yourself
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Omgadroid said:
My post wasnt ment to insult ot was ment to inply that you sould be thankfull for what the devs have been able to acheve for you if you want it faster try it yourself
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my post was aimed at no one other than the op
Easy fellas, I think he was just genuinly curious, not condecsendingly asking why.
ill break it down the best i can, this phone is very well secured. all previously know exploits have been patched. additionally s-on seems to be controlled by the radio and checks its integrity in the hboot on boot up. this means not only will the hboot need to be modified but also this checking at boot. anything trying to be flashed is also checked against a private signature which cannot be "hacked" of duplicated or tricked etc etc. also, the s-on prevents any writing to system partitions without passing the signature check.
so to sum it up,
cannot crack signature
cannot write to system
cannot replace hboot/radio/kernal/recovery without signature
cannot modify radio since cannot write to system partitions
basically up **** creek as the saying goes. the above reasons are why we only have temp root as any changes to system areas of the phone are wiped with a reboot since you never actually wrote those values due to system partitions being locked.
older phones, ie og evo did not have the level of protections that this phone/sensation have. this is a whole new beast and will take time. follow the root thread and read before making stupid assumptions.
I kno u wernt targeting me i just didnt want to offend
Btw have u herd anything about the
Evo 4g
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Omgadroid said:
I kno u wernt targeting me i just didnt want to offend
Btw have u herd anything about the
Evo 4g
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Bout what? its latest update?
Omgadroid said:
I kno u wernt targeting me i just didnt want to offend
Btw have u herd anything about the
Evo 4g
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nope, in the same boat. new gingerbread update and hboot closed all known holes.
Oh ok im not much of a tec on android i just know my servers lol thanks
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DomSim said:
ill break it down the best i can, this phone is very well secured. all previously know exploits have been patched. additionally s-on seems to be controlled by the radio and checks its integrity in the hboot on boot up. this means not only will the hboot need to be modified but also this checking at boot. anything trying to be flashed is also checked against a private signature which cannot be "hacked" of duplicated or tricked etc etc. also, the s-on prevents any writing to system partitions without passing the signature check.
so to sum it up,
cannot crack signature
cannot write to system
cannot replace hboot/radio/kernal/recovery without signature
cannot modify radio since cannot write to system partitions
basically up **** creek as the saying goes. the above reasons are why we only have temp root as any changes to system areas of the phone are wiped with a reboot since you never actually wrote those values due to system partitions being locked.
older phones, ie og evo did not have the level of protections that this phone/sensation have. this is a whole new beast and will take time. follow the root thread and read before making stupid assumptions.
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I thought the @secu flag has always been set by the radio config. Hence the difference between eng s-off and radio s-off. Meaning an eng h-boot doesn't actually change the flag, it is just made so the radio thinks its off allowing for manufacturer testing and development. No offense intended to anyone. Just curious if I'm wrong or if that had changed.
Sent from my HTC Thunderbolt
DomSim said:
the problem is that we dont have enough arrogant, ignorant, impatient ass holes making posts implying that the devs are incompetent. so for that, i thank you for doing your part to help
you obviously have no idea what is involved in cracking this phone open. threads like this do nothing but discourage people who are doing this for FUN. so do us all a favor and do some research before making a new thread. you know, maybe get a clue about what you are talking about first?
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The OP isnt the one being an arrogant ass hole here.
How could anyone be discouraged by an honest question? really?
This is the Q&A section, is it not?
He is not the only person with this question and unless you fully understand whats involved, searching isnt going to make things any easier.
If you want to police this thread then maybe you should become a moderator.
Until then keep it to youself, the devs can speak for themselves,
DomSim said:
the problem is that we dont have enough arrogant, ignorant, impatient ass holes making posts implying that the devs are incompetent. so for that, i thank you for doing your part to help
you obviously have no idea what is involved in cracking this phone open. threads like this do nothing but discourage people who are doing this for FUN. so do us all a favor and do some research before making a new thread. you know, maybe get a clue about what you are talking about first?
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So i keep coming on here looking for updated info on whats going on with perm root. When temp root was first established it sounded like perm root was right around the corner. I have not found a solid thread or place to find updated info, without those things questions like this in the Q AND A section are going to come up.
So how about instead of being a arrogant, ignorant, impatient ass hole(copy and pasted if you couldn't tell), you kindly direct people to a place where this info is available and answer the question.
Drewmungus said:
So i keep coming on here looking for updated info on whats going on with perm root. When temp root was first established it sounded like perm root was right around the corner. I have not found a solid thread or place to find updated info, without those things questions like this in the Q AND A section are going to come up.
So how about instead of being a arrogant, ignorant, impatient ass hole(copy and pasted if you couldn't tell), you kindly direct people to a place where this info is available and answer the question.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1140578
Here you go
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DomSim said:
the problem is that we dont have enough arrogant, ignorant, impatient ass holes making posts implying that the devs are incompetent. so for that, i thank you for doing your part to help
you obviously have no idea what is involved in cracking this phone open. threads like this do nothing but discourage people who are doing this for FUN. so do us all a favor and do some research before making a new thread. you know, maybe get a clue about what you are talking about first?
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whether or not there exist posts like this will definitely not discourage someone, sometime, from cracking this thing open. In other words, it will happen no matter how much one nags or not. Posts like yours are just as discouraging to those who have the potential to donate to developers. Kettle meet pot.
A.Priori said:
whether or not there exist posts like this will definitely not discourage someone, sometime, from cracking this thing open. In other words, it will happen no matter how much one nags or not. Posts like yours are just as discouraging to those who have the potential to donate to developers. Kettle meet pot.
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oh i know im an ass hole. but i do my research before making making posts or asking questions. seriously, everything the op needed to know is in the sticky threads. is it really that hard to find? he could have also used the search function. point is, making threads like, "whats taking you so long?" is insulting. a tiny bit of reading could have save him from it.
JBO1018 said:
I thought the @secu flag has always been set by the radio config. Hence the difference between eng s-off and radio s-off. Meaning an eng h-boot doesn't actually change the flag, it is just made so the radio thinks its off allowing for manufacturer testing and development. No offense intended to anyone. Just curious if I'm wrong or if that had changed.
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i believe you are 100% right here.
Guys, I know you know your stuff and you can really help out a noob like me but............
is there ONE root or page that can have all the required links so I can get this
3D rooted. I've read a few topics and it seems that some Devs have different ways to root and I dont know what CMD is.
I'm coming from the Hero and I learned how to flash to get rooted.
Thanks.
WRONG SECTION HOMIE!!!
But, here you go. It's the sticky at the TOP of the page. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192525
knowledge561 said:
WRONG SECTION HOMIE!!!
But, here you go. It's the sticky at the TOP of the page. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1192525
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Thanks but this way seems a little too complicated for me. Any simpler ways???
kinextions said:
Thanks but this way seems a little too complicated for me. Any simpler ways???
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Not really. Its not difficult at all. Just read and it will make sense. Its similar to the og evo root method. Hit the button, flash recovery, reboot.
I Haz 3D
Point is, Just do it. You will learn a lot from just doing while trying not to fathom the "big words" or "strange names" for different stuff. YES, something CAN happen, but usually follow the steps and all will be fine. When I first rooted my first phone I was not really linguistic in the lingo we use now for rooting such devices, it reminded me of the ole AOL WAREZ days and those silly but fun AUto programs we used in the chat rooms. I say... Take the plunge.
EDIT: Don't be lazy (like me) and NOT read it. There is no ONE click easy method if this is your first time. Once you have rooted this phone though your ext and future roots will eb easier and make more since.
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give this a whirl. he does things step by step and makes it easy. or for me at least. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sw_mgVHWYo
anyone know an easier way? -.-
i unlocked the bootloaders with HTC.
can someone please move this to the right section? sorry.
Post in the q&a and you'll find out. Plus revolution really is not hard if you follow the video.
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jordan23945bulls said:
anyone know an easier way? -.-
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Wrong section, please pay attention to where you are posting next time.
In regards to your question, there really isn't an "easier way". The AlphaRev tool is one of the easiest I have ever seen. I suppose if that is too hard you could void your warranty and go the HTC route(Not Recommended).
i already did it with HTC. i want clockwork or something.
*sigh*
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Your fellow posters are correct. If you have a question, ask it in... wait for it... Q&A!
In the future, please do your best to help keep the site nice and tidy. You will gain a greater sense of self-worth and everyone will appreciate you and write poems about you and your progeny. Thanks!
ugh i want CWM installed
jordan23945bulls said:
anyone know an easier way? -.-
i unlocked the bootloaders with HTC.
can someone please move this to the right section? sorry.
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Since you followed HTC's method you are stuck as of right now. Their method unlocks your bootloader, but still has a NAND lock keeping you from flashing to different partitions. This situation is similar to the OG Evo if I'm not mistaken. Just wait around and a root method should appear.
Sent from my HTC Hero making C.R.E.A.M.
dastin1015 said:
Since you followed HTC's method you are stuck as of right now. Their method unlocks your bootloader, but still has a NAND lock keeping you from flashing to different partitions. This situation is similar to the OG Evo if I'm not mistaken. Just wait around and a root method should appear.
Sent from my HTC Hero making C.R.E.A.M.
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thank you! ugh i really hope it does, i hate not being rooted.
Shoulda used Alpharevs revolutionary. Sorry. Not bein a ass. But you may have to wait awhile. Give it some time someone will fix it for ya.
Sent from 3D A.W.E.S.O.M-O
You will see claims from people in these forums that they were able to root and install recovery using HTC's unlocking, but those are false claims. All of those posters had been previously rooted using revolutionary.io. No one that took the OTA on a phone that hadn't previously been unlocked have been successful installing a custom recovery.
Basically you have an unlocked bootloader, now you will have to wait for someone to come up with an exploit like "rage against the cage" from the Evo to unlock the nand and attain s-off. If you had the original Evo 4g you will remember that in order to root you had to use unrevoked or Toast's method. Something similar to that will now be needed.
For those reading this your best option is to hold off using HTC's unlocker and if you haven't taken the 2.08 update use revolutionary.io to unlock your phone and if you did take the update or have a phone that came with the update, wait for an update to revolutionary.io.
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fools
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Say what? If you're not contributing in a positive way, please leave the insults at home... for your cat. Thanks!
JDAWS said:
(So what 10) Oh I can root my phone I'm so cool now! Really son? You probably wear your star trek costume at the same as worshipping your phone! Get a life
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Please look up.
TaurusBullba said:
Say what? If you're not contributing in a positive way, please leave the insults at home... for your cat. Thanks!
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lol im saying man
not sure why people rush to htc unlock and THEN wonder how to do things...
but ok, i'll just refer to the other guy for the correct answer to this thread:
Since you followed HTC's method you are stuck as of right now. Their method unlocks your bootloader, but still has a NAND lock keeping you from flashing to different partitions. This situation is similar to the OG Evo if I'm not mistaken. Just wait around and a root method should appear.
better?
SayWhat10 said:
lol im saying man
not sure why people rush to htc unlock and THEN wonder how to do things...
but ok, i'll just refer to the other guy for the correct answer to this thread:
Since you followed HTC's method you are stuck as of right now. Their method unlocks your bootloader, but still has a NAND lock keeping you from flashing to different partitions. This situation is similar to the OG Evo if I'm not mistaken. Just wait around and a root method should appear.
better?
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I completely agree that many of the new users do often get a bit excited and "rush" to root or unlock their devices (without fully understanding or reading directions) and end up in a lurch. But not a single person on this forum should log in to make a person feel bad or incompetent. If you see someone that jumped the gun and is lost, please help them. If you can't, then just let someone who can do it. We are all here to learn and help each other out. Let's stick to that and everyone will be happy.
TaurusBullba said:
I completely agree that many of the new users do often get a bit excited and "rush" to root or unlock their devices (without fully understanding or reading directions) and end up in a lurch. But not a single person on this forum should log in to make a person feel bad or incompetent. If you see someone that jumped the gun and is lost, please help them. If you can't, then just let someone who can do it. We are all here to learn and help each other out. Let's stick to that and everyone will be happy.
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Amen! I totally agree.
Furthermore, vBulletin, phpBB, Wiki* and most technologies used to share and publish information and content are just terribly inefficient in regards to topics like these (Android, rooting, development, tech, etc.). Newcomers simply can not come into forums like these and find the info or content they want consistently. You can tag, break stuff up into sub-forums and make stickies like 3M 'til your blue in the face but until you fully understand a noob's thought process and behavior and have the software reflect that we forever will have these problems.
One temporary resolution is to try to change the one variable we can change in this equation. That is to try to cease the negative comments since we already know noobs and their questions are a constant.
Do not use the HTC root method, just use the Revolutionary method and before doing so download and copy TWRP and a ROM and flash in HBOOT\Recovery
root with s-on
Like an idiot, I unlocked my bootloader via official HTC way. I have not rooted my phone with revolutionary, my phone was completely stock. I was able to flash CWM via fastboot and install superuser via CWM.
I have been rooting and using custom ROMs since the earlier Galaxy Captivate days, so I consider myself fairly skilled in the art.
Today I set out to root and put CM9 on my wife's I777.
Got the phone rooted with the Zedomax kernel and I have superuser on the phone.
Reboot into recovery and I get CWM V5.0.2.3 All good, right?
Got the CM9 rom on the micro SD card and I select select INSTALL Zip from sdcard
Hit the powerbutton and I get a black screen with a hat and an orange circle.
To only way to get out is to hit the Power button.
None of the options work.
Only way to recover is to remove battery.
What is going on here? I must have missed something.
TIA Robert
Use the home key to select and don't use zedomaxs stuff. There is a reason his thread is locked here. His stuff is pure garbage
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Home button? LOL
Anyway, before I wipe anything on that phone should I abandon this and use a different root method?
It is pretty hot and humid outside and I don't want to spend the next few days outside because I mess up her phone.
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... don't use zedomaxs stuff. There is a reason his thread is locked here. His stuff is pure garbage
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Care to elaborate on that? Not attacking by any mean, just trying to learn why you think that way. It worked fine for me, but maybe I am missing something.
sbi1 said:
Care to elaborate on that? Not attacking by any mean, just trying to learn why you think that way. It worked fine for me, but maybe I am missing something.
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You got his stuff from a different website, Used his guides and stuff. Why would you come here for support for his bull****?
Thats why.
Want support, use guides and tools from here.
MotoMudder77 said:
You got his stuff from a different website, Used his guides and stuff. Why would you come here for support for his bull****?
Thats why.
Want support, use guides and tools from here.
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I didn't come here for support for anyone's "bull****", I just hijacked (my apology) this thread to ask why you guys think it's bull****. As I said - not trying to attack anyone or anything or any method, I asked a genuine question. One would think you could spell out a genuine reason why it's crap. Too bad your tone rules this great forum. Just a simple question...geez. Thanks anyway.
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Care to elaborate on that? Not attacking by any mean, just trying to learn why you think that way. It worked fine for me, but maybe I am missing something.
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Ever since he posted his kernel it has caused problems with people losing wifi and such. Then most of the new people come here complaining about the problems. Its best to use what is on this site to root and find a more stable kernel.
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wavemaster00 said:
Home button? LOL
Anyway, before I wipe anything on that phone should I abandon this and use a different root method?
It is pretty hot and humid outside and I don't want to spend the next few days outside because I mess up her phone.
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If your just going to flash cm9 then I wouldn't worry about using another method as your gonna override the kernel anyways. So just go ahead and wipe and flash and enjoy
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Care to elaborate on that? Not attacking by any mean, just trying to learn why you think that way. It worked fine for me, but maybe I am missing something.
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Zedomax's first priority is building web sites that will make him money. He is only secondarily a developer of firmware, and evidently fairly talented. However, his mode of operation is to build a website with rooting tools for a phone, promote it for a few days, and then you hardly ever see or hear from him again. He's already moved on to another phone and another web site. So his tools get old and become unsupported. Some of the firmware he provides works as advertised, and some of it causes serious problems. Once he develops something, it seems he doesn't even care to determine if it is bug free. In particular for this phone, his rooting method seems to work, at least most of the time. However, his unrooting method causes untold problems, and even soft bricks. And people come here to ask how to fix the problems. Some have had fairly serious problems that are rather difficult to correct from using his tools. We've seen so many problems associated with his stuff that when we see the name zedomax, we immediately think, "ok I know what your problem is."
Thank you yoderk and creepyncrawly.
First of all I would just like to say that moto's post was uncalled for, this is a great site but i swear sometimes the people here can be a bit rude. anyway I agree you should stay away from zedomax's stuff ( no offense to him) you can use this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1311081 i used it and vouch for it it has all the info youll need or use jivy root guide too Hth
Greetings! I hope you are having a fine day!
I am writing this to try to alleviate future issues for some of you.
Sunday night, I posted instructions for installing a certain update manually. Now, I am S-Off, and just assumed when I wrote it that anybody else flashing stuff like that would be too. This was apparently my mistake.
So in an effort to try to prevent future problems I am writing this, and hoping many of you will read it, and pay attention. Although I know that usually doesn't happen.
So, here we go:
If you are planning to manually flash anything other than a ROM, you should be S-Off. There is no excuse not to be, and no reason you shouldn't do it.
First, it's completely reversible. Second, it removes the "Unlocked" message from your phone.
It prevents the mainver older issue.
It lets you pretty much flash anything you want, whenever you want, as long as the phone is physically able. This means, if you flash something and it goes wrong, you can flash backwards to what you had before.
After S-Off, you DO NOT HAVE TO UNLOCK!!!!!! I cannot say this enough. S-Off is a step beyond unlocking. This is why we do it!
Reverting to S-On is as simple as flashing a full, released, OTA RUU and issuing a fastboot command to change the flag. Although the only reason I could see to do that is to return the phone.
If you aren't sure that a set of directions apply to you, ask first!
If you are following the directions, and something goes wrong, STOP!!!!!! Do not guess what to do, or try to go backwards unless you know for a fact it will work. Go online and ask for help. If you ask properly, somebody will help you. Some people live for the chance to help others.
When asking for help, say what you had before you started, what you were trying to do (with a link), what step you were on, and what the unexpected result was. POST THE EXACT MESSAGES!!!! Not an abbreviated version.
If a post does not specify that you need to be S-Off, read through the instructions before you start. If you see anything to do with a PH98IMG.zip file, or going into HBOOT, assume you should S-Off first. Simply to be safe.
I know this was all disjointed, but I was simply posting my responses to issues I see all too often that could easily have been avoided, or resolved much easier.
So, to sum up.
S-Off Your Phone!
Thank you!
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So, to sum up.
S-Off Your Phone!
Thank you!
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Exactly. Plus educate yourself.
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also, to add on, if you want to revert to s-on, RUN AN RUU FIRST!!!!!! it will brick your phone if you s-on on a modified/unsigned hboot!! although it is reversible (as i did tonight...derp) it was annoying. also if you want a guide on how to unbrick a rezound bricked by writing security flag 3 with an unsigned hboot, or caused by a damaged hboot via interrupted OTA update/RUU flash on a S-ON device, i will gladly do it, all props to meadows btw
Thanks for the write up.
To be honest I am not sure what to do to update my firmware from that 100mb ota after reading that thread several times. Or if I even need to if I don't have a use for the gsm stuff. I am s-off though.
Edit: I forgot to mention, I am running ics firmware on the viper rom.
If I were a dev, I wouldn't include any options for s-on. It's simple to do, safe enough, and not scary at all.... It makes everyone's life much easier.
Nice thread, dsb9938, and right on point. Problem is, nobody reads. Nobody looks at the threads above and nobody searches. Alright, not nobody, but not enough people. The way I see it, if you are going to take the responsibility for manipulating the innards of your $200 handset, the least you could do is poke around for the right way to do things before just messing around and thinking Dad will buy you a new handset when you bork it. This Dad won't.
XDA is for people who take responsibility. If you can't handle that, please go play in someone else's sandbox.
If I had a dollar for every post in another current thread here that reflects users not reading posts only a page above, not checking stickies first, not using the search function, or just plain trolling, I could buy several Rezounds just to mess with and still have money left over for a Nexus 7.
/end rant
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hgoldner said:
Nice thread, dsb9938, and right on point. Problem is, nobody reads. Nobody looks at the threads above and nobody searches. Alright, not nobody, but not enough people. The way I see it, if you are going to take the responsibility for manipulating the innards of your $200 handset, the least you could do is poke around for the right way to do things before just messing around and thinking Dad will buy you a new handset when you bork it. This Dad won't.
XDA is for people who take responsibility. If you can't handle that, please go play in someone else's sandbox.
If I had a dollar for every post in another current thread here that reflects users not reading posts only a page above, not checking stickies first, not using the search function, or just plain trolling, I could buy several Rezounds just to mess with and still have money left over for a Nexus 7.
/end rant
Sent into the innertubes from my Arnova 10 G2.
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While everything you said is true, people just need to be nicer to each other. We are all here to help each other, no need to be mean about it. :highfive:
antp121 said:
also, to add on, if you want to revert to s-on, RUN AN RUU FIRST!!!!!! it will brick your phone if you s-on on a modified/unsigned hboot!! although it is reversible (as i did tonight...derp) it was annoying. also if you want a guide on how to unbrick a rezound bricked by writing security flag 3 with an unsigned hboot, or caused by a damaged hboot via interrupted OTA update/RUU flash on a S-ON device, i will gladly do it, all props to meadows btw
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Lol that's in giant font on the s-off tutorial.
Yet you still failed.
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wlmeng11 said:
Lol that's in giant font on the s-off tutorial.
Yet you still failed.
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I ruu'd that morning. I was playing mw3 and I completely spaced. It's all good now so does it matter?
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OK so im s-off do i need to "fastboot oem lock" before updating to the latest RUU????
synisterwolf said:
OK so im s-off do i need to "fastboot oem lock" before updating to the latest RUU????
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It kills me when people actually have no idea about things like that. I mean that's just common knowledge and could be found with a 5 minute Google search
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It kills me when people actually have no idea about things like that. I mean that's just common knowledge and could be found with a 5 minute Google search
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Google?
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86shelby said:
If I were a dev, I wouldn't include any options for s-on. It's simple to do, safe enough, and not scary at all.... It makes everyone's life much easier.
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With all due respect alienating any portion of your user base is generally not good. I'm not s-off but it's only because I haven't been around a pc that's got an internet connection. I appreciate how easy it is but there are still those of us that have life situations that haven't allowed for the whole process yet.
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Geoi1006 said:
With all due respect alienating any portion of your user base is generally not good. I'm not s-off but it's only because I haven't been around a pc that's got an internet connection. I appreciate how easy it is but there are still those of us that have life situations that haven't allowed for the whole process yet.
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You could download the stuff to your phone and transfer it via USB to your computer, or you could use tethering.
It's called being resourceful
I see you talking but all I'm seeing is talking down to people. Trying to decide where the constructive portion of this thread is.
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I agree more people need to read and remember the rules and posts like this as well. Thank you for posting this, however i do disagree with one thing. I recently upgraded my firmware to the ICS update OTA(not the ICS update itself but the update that was pushed shortly after) which updated my hboot to 2.27, Locked. All is fine until I needed to flash a boot.img because of boot manager. No big deal until I get a "remote not allowed" return on a fastboot flash boot boot.img command. For some reason I can not for the life of me create a flashable zip to be flashed in recovery, and I'm too lazy to take my sdcard out to put a PH98IMG.ZIP file on there to flash boot.img in bootloader. So I had to unlock my bootloader to perform the fastboot command needed to get my phone back. Until there is a patched hboot 2.27, you will need to unlock your bootloader, or downgrade to jb_hboot. Just my 2 cents...
Great post. Thanks for writing it up.
I tried numerous times to get s off, and it just didnt work for me. I dont have a land line or a spare phone so I am very dependant on my phone. I can't have it in non working phone.
I appreciate all the work the drvs do and all the people who help us out to make our phones top notch. However, I do like how the devs have s on and s off roms
I don't S-Off because brickings are always possible when S-Off, and S-On hasn't really inconvenienced me.
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You could download the stuff to your phone and transfer it via USB to your computer, or you could use tethering.
It's called being resourceful
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I see you talking but all I'm seeing is talking down to people. Trying to decide where the constructive portion of this thread is.
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That's definitely talking down to people. It's a big wave of arrogance emitting from this thread. Keep in mind a lot of these dudes are young Btw.
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I don't S-Off because brickings are always possible when S-Off, and S-On hasn't really inconvenienced me.
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Actually, bricking your phone, as unlikely as that is, is less likely when s-off since there are more options to recovery if you mess up.
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