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Perform shallow discharges.
Instead of discharging to 0% all the time, lithium-ion batteries do best when you discharge them for a little bit, then charge them for a little bit. The table below, from Battery University, shows that discharges to 50% are better for your battery's long-term life than, say, small discharges to 90% or large discharges to 0% (since the 50% discharges provide the best number of cycles-to-usage ratio).
Don't leave it fully charged.
Similarly, lithium-ion batteries don't need to be charged all the way to 100%. In fact, they'd prefer not to be—so the 40%-80% rule you heard is a good guideline. If you do charge it to 100%, don't leave it plugged in. This is something most of us do, but it's another thing that will degrade your battery's health.
Fully discharge it once a month.
This may seem contradictory, but hear us out. While lithium-ion batteries shouldn't be discharged regularly, most modern batteries are what's known as "smart batteries". This feature can get miscalibrated after a lot of shallow discharges. So, manufacturers recommend fully discharging your battery once a month to make sure this stays accurate.
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Is this true?
you can be as neurotic as you like over this, but it really d doesn't make a lot of difference, just enjoy your phone.
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The only big no no is to constantly discharge to below 5% and recharge . That according to the experts leads to a much shorter battery life .
Yes leaving on charge is a waste .
Wiping Battery stats does not improve battery life .
But all this is an old story posted time and again and bring nothing new .
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Yes leaving on charge is a waste
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It may be a waste but is it detrimental to the battery? I always plug my phone in when I go to bed and take it off the charger when I get up in the morning.
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It may be a waste but is it detrimental to the battery? I always plug my phone in when I go to bed and take it off the charger when I get up in the morning.
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there is a built in feature that stops charging once battery level reaches 100%. so there will be no harm to your battery. I have doing the same since gs1
My old Nokia 3510 needed a battery replacement after 4-5 years since it only held 3 days worth of charge instead of the usual 7-8.
I constantly let it discharge from 100% (overnight charging) to empty, the replacement battery cost me 5 bucks.
My Galaxy S1's battery has, after 2 years, no observable loss in capacity with overnight charging to 100% and dropping to 10-15% over 1-2 days.
A replacement battery would cost roughly 15 bucks.
I could go on the same about my Laptop, Netbook, Tablet and other devices with rechargeable Li-Ion batteries.
The point is; don't try to forcefully extend your battery life, enjoy your phone. Most people replace the phone every 1-2 years and the batteries are designed to live that long with high usage and deep-discharging. If yours should not or you plan to keep the phone longer, a replacement battery is cheap.
there is a built in feature that stops charging once battery level reaches 100%.
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All Lithium batteries have it (and need it) since there is a risk of damage, fire or even explosion when it is overcharged. That's why not the phone but the battery itself has the corresponding controller. Since the controller cannot measure the exact capacity of the battery (only an estimate), it is recomended to deep-discharge and fully charge (charge-cycle) the battery once in a while to reset the controller's counter.
Battery replacement is cheap and easy as abc. That's the benefit of having removable battery. Just enjoy your phone.
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So why do Sammy stop charging at 99%
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So why do Sammy stop charging at 99%
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Why don't you just read the thread and you will see the explanation?!
i have always been charging my samsung galaxy note and sIII overnight ever since i got them , i stil have great battery life !
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i have always been charging my samsung galaxy note and sIII overnight ever since i got them , i stil have great battery life !
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Same here. No broblem.
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Still no one answered my question... :silly:
Is the small 40%-80% charges better for the long-term battery life?
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Ya... I just got the gsii this morning and I'm very happy with it. Just curious as to do I need to charge the battery for 8h for 3 days or not. Thanks
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No just full charge and use it .
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Woo hoooo
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Charge the battery, run it down to zero, charge to full, repeat for the first dozen ours so times, battery life has been improving in each cycle and I also recommend you do the same
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But isn't flattening Lithium Ion batteries bad for them? If you search the internet it often says not to over discharge as well as under charging them also increasing their life span. The older NiMh and NiCd batteries benefited from full discharge and recharge.
Charge the battery, run it down to zero, charge to full, repeat for the first dozen ours so times, battery life has been improving in each cycle and I also recommend you do the same
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If there's one way to send your battery to an early grave, this is it.
Modern batteries are limited by their number of discharge/recharge cycles. Letting the battery drop to 80% and then recharging is the same as letting it drop to 20%.
However, allowing the capacity to drop to zero is a stupid thing to do, since this permanently damages the battery. The battery has its own controller which goes some way towards protecting it, but it's a trade-off between shortening the lifetime and the actually runtime you can get from the battery.
So, to summarise: you're fine letting the battery drop to 10-20% before recharging. Do not allow it to fall below this too often, as you'll shorten the lifespan.
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But isn't flattening Lithium Ion batteries bad for them? If you search the internet it often says not to over discharge as well as under charging them also increasing their life span. The older NiMh and NiCd batteries benefited from full discharge and recharge.
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Yes it is 'bad' for Li-on batteries to be run down to zero. Ignore any posts you see saying otherwise.
Just charge it and use it. When possible, top up charge. Li-on batteries do not have memories and do not need to be 'conditioned'.
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If there's one way to send your battery to an early grave, this is it.
Modern batteries are limited by their number of discharge/recharge cycles. Letting the battery drop to 80% and then recharging is the same as letting it drop to 20%.
However, allowing the capacity to drop to zero is a stupid thing to do, since this permanently damages the battery. The battery has its own controller which goes some way towards protecting it, but it's a trade-off between shortening the lifetime and the actually runtime you can get from the battery.
So, to summarise: you're fine letting the battery drop to 10-20% before recharging. Do not allow it to fall below this too often, as you'll shorten the lifespan.
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Yes it is 'bad' for Li-on batteries to be run down to zero. Ignore any posts you see saying otherwise.
Just charge it and use it. When possible, top up charge. Li-on batteries do not have memories and do not need to be 'conditioned'.
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Hmm, my bad, my Apologies, seems there's some way to go yet for me, I assumed this was the case as I had horrid life out straight out of the box, these discharge cycles helped tremendously, though with that being said I tend to not leave it below 15% now before I charge.
Oh well, live and learn.
Never discharge the battery to less then 10-15% if possible.
Aww crap I discharged it to zero last night. I thought out make sense cause back when I used the nexus one, there was this method of conditioning battery by discharging the battery. Ah well thanks guys
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Aww crap I discharged it to zero last night. I thought out make sense cause back when I used the nexus one, there was this method of conditioning battery by discharging the battery. Ah well thanks guys
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Won't hurt that much. Contrary to what people say li-ion has limit on amount of recharge applied from whatever level it was applied. Also the phone cuts off before dangerous low levels are reached. However frequently doing this should be avoided.
The biggest danger is leaving phone in discharged state for long period of time as the background discharge (e.g. Power on off button, clock, etc.) will flatten the battery, without the protection circuits and completely ruin it; charging while hot (above 50 to 60 c) will also send battery to an early grave.
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Getting my replacement today and my current phone has suffered from bad battery, so what is the best way to charge the new one please?
Thanks
I charge mine overnight most nights, and it gets better over time. It took a couple of weeks before I started to get really good life out of it.
Based on what I've read, you should charge for at least 3hrs and then drain it completely.
But I'm pretty sure you can still use it right out of the box
I don't think any extra/time specific charging is needed for Lithium batteries for the first charge. Just unplug it when charging completes. But if you calibrate the battery make sure you fully drain it before recharging it.
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It doesn't matter, there is no need to bother about how to charge modern li-io batteries.
I don't think modern batteries need any kind of special first charge routine....................but I still do it anyway
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I don't think modern batteries need any kind of special first charge routine....................but I still do it anyway
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Just read about this earlier on my local samsung officially site and yes ever since it is lithium battery its ok to charge anytime afor how long even it already 100% and still on the charging mode ots automatically cut off the power supply inside. But i do still charge like 4-6hours for the 1st time
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Just charge it to full, and then start using it, charging it overnight does nothing, the BMS will stop it from charging when the voltage coming from the battery is considered 100%.
Lithium batteries do not suffer memory effect like Nickel batteries.
The old charging practices cause more damage.
Lithium batteries should not be overcharged (Same as NiMh)
Lithium batteries prefer to be fully charged. If they stay on empty too long, they get damaged. Using the charge up before charging the battery can damage it, the optimal is to charge it before it gets low. Regardless how well you keep them, they have a predetermined life span, so they will stop working after a few years.
Thanks everyone I am going to charge it for about 6 hours, then calibrate then fully discharge and fully charge, Until o2 unlock it :'(
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Thanks everyone I am going to charge it for about 6 hours, then calibrate then fully discharge and fully charge, Until o2 unlock it :'(
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Completely pointless....once it reaches 100% it stops charging.
Someone pointed out the same thing you all said i.e.modern li-ion batteries don't have a memory, they don't need to be formatted, however extreme conditions aren't healthy for them e.g. leave it completely depleted or completely charged for prolonged periods of time (days?).
i just charge mine to full the 1st time i get it while it is off and i am fitting screen protector etc
i then use it till its about 10% and charge to full
i then use it as normal and top up charge whenever
it may not be needed but batterys have always been good for me and its a little routine i seem to be stuck in lol
hope your new phone is decent and you enjoy
There seems to be a debate on this topic as to whether you should do a FULL drain on your battery and I wanted to know what people's thoughts were on this in this forum.
I've used my phone twice now to the point where it has auto powered down on it's own. I will then hit the 'Power' button to ensure that battery is truly at 0% (the capacitative buttons blink for a second to confirm that I've hit the power button but there is no more juice left to turn the phone on).
I will plug into the wall charger and allow it to charge for 4 hours (usually around 4 hours, I'll check back to see and hit the power button and the onscreen battery display will show 100% charged).
I will unplug my phone, power on and keep using until the phone fully drains and powers off on it's own again before repeating this cycle.
However, others have stated that this is NOT necessary for Lithium Ion battery and can actually damage the circuitry of the battery? I've always been under the impression that you need to do a complete & full battery drain for lithium ion batteries at least 3 -5 full cycles/times before the battery has been conditioned/optimized for capacity.
Maybe I'm wrong...after all I'm coming from a G1 and this practice helped my atrocious battery life on that dinosaur!
If this is wrong, when should I be plugging my phone back in to charge? When it gives me the first warning to charge in (battery level turns orange - I assume this about 20% battery left) or on the "critical" battery warning when the battery icon in the notification panel turns red (assuming this is about 10% battery left)?
from what I've read in the past, letting your phone drain completely down until it shuts itself off is not good for the battery. I could be wrong but thats what I've read
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from what I've read in the past, letting your phone drain completely down until it shuts itself off is not good for the battery. I could be wrong but thats what I've read
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Yeah, I've heard both sides and I've conditioned my battery for the G1 because it seemed to drain faster if I plugged it into charge when there was 30% or so still left.
Well, I've done two complete cycles so I guess I'll just try recharging when it hits the red mark next time.
When you plug in to charge? Orange, red or whenever to top off?
i plug my phone in when i go to bed. I dont care what the battery is at. I also charge it while i'm at work so when I leave, its around 90-100%. My battery rarely reaches red.
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i plug my phone in when i go to bed. I dont care what the battery is at. I also charge it while i'm at work so when I leave, its around 90-100%. My battery rarely reaches red.
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LOL - that would prematurely killed my battery capacity on the G1! I went thru two batteries before I started draining all the way down. Made a difference between 4-6 hours and 6-10 hours.
Seems like this phone doesn't need to do that tho.
But what're you getting on average for battery life and display on time then?
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i plug my phone in when i go to bed. I dont care what the battery is at. I also charge it while i'm at work so when I leave, its around 90-100%. My battery rarely reaches red.
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I do the exact same thing. First with my Captivate and now with the SGS2 and the battery life on my captivate held pretty much exactly the same charge for the entire 15 months I used it. The battery on this SGS2 seems to last about 150-175% of the Captivate battery under the same conditions. I just came back from a week on the road where I spent 9-12 hours a day away from a charger and was using my phone constantly all day long and would get back to the hotel room with 30-40% battery left. Considering I was listening to music, playing plants vs zombies and sending and reading push email constantly throughout the day I am very satisfied with the battery life on this phone. I've never done any kind of conditioning or special battery maintenance.
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LOL - that would prematurely killed my battery capacity on the G1! I went thru two batteries before I started draining all the way down. Made a difference between 4-6 hours and 6-10 hours.
Seems like this phone doesn't need to do that tho.
But what're you getting on average for battery life and display on time then?
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i stopped looking at my battery stats a long time ago. I'll peak in there once in a while but I dont really care what the stats show because I'm always around a charger. As long as I get through 12 hours or so without charging, i'm happy.
Some devices need a full drain cycle to properly calibrate the fuel gauge - ours does NOT.
Lithium ion batteries don't like deep discharging - in fact discharging them too much will permanently damage them (fortunately, all batteries sold to end users have built-in protection chips to prevent overdischarge - but do you REALLY want to rely on that chip?)
Similarly, they don't like charge being forced into them - so don't "bump charge". (Bump charging is removing and immediately reinserting the charger when the phone says charging is complete.)
For long-term storage, store them at around 50% capacity if not being used. LiIons that are stored at 100% charge lose capacity MUCH faster than ones stored at 50%.
A Li-Ion that has been sitting for a long time (months...) will develop a passivation layer that can be detrimental to performance - a few charge/discharge cycles will fix this. You don't need to do a full discharge/recharge - probably even from 90 to 70 and back up a few times should be fine.
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Some devices need a full drain cycle to properly calibrate the fuel gauge - ours does NOT.
Lithium ion batteries don't like deep discharging - in fact discharging them too much will permanently damage them (fortunately, all batteries sold to end users have built-in protection chips to prevent overdischarge - but do you REALLY want to rely on that chip?)
Similarly, they don't like charge being forced into them - so don't "bump charge". (Bump charging is removing and immediately reinserting the charger when the phone says charging is complete.)
For long-term storage, store them at around 50% capacity if not being used. LiIons that are stored at 100% charge lose capacity MUCH faster than ones stored at 50%.
A Li-Ion that has been sitting for a long time (months...) will develop a passivation layer that can be detrimental to performance - a few charge/discharge cycles will fix this. You don't need to do a full discharge/recharge - probably even from 90 to 70 and back up a few times should be fine.
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what about short charging during the course of the day? For instance, while I'm at work, I like to plug it in for a bit and then use it off the charger. Then before I leave, I charge it again for a bit. Do you think thats okay to charge the phone for short ~1 hour bursts?
No, the battery itself doesn't do well with deep discharges, but every device with one has circuitry to manage this and keep it from happening. The phone will shut off before the battery reaches a critically low discharge state. Just as it will cease charging before it blows up. Just because the phone shuts off does not mean that the battery is too low.
Assuming the phone has the proper cutoffs, it's not really any different to do two discharges to 50% or one to 100%. There have been studies that say leaving it on a charger is bad, doing two 50% cycles is worse than one 100%, etc. I've always just trusted that the phone manufacturers design the battery monitor and control circuits correctly and not worry much about it. And I've never had to replace a battery yet and always get acceptable life.
It's lithium ion, not nickel cadmium.
Full drains are bad for lithium ion.
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what about short charging during the course of the day? For instance, while I'm at work, I like to plug it in for a bit and then use it off the charger. Then before I leave, I charge it again for a bit. Do you think thats okay to charge the phone for short ~1 hour bursts?
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That's the best way to charge it.
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That's the best way to charge it.
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that makes me even more glad that its what I've been doing forever - lol
thanks
lithium ion batteries dont like being under 30%. and they also dont do well if they are kept at 80 percent or above all the time. for longest battery life don't just let it sit on the charger all day after it fully charges.
I agree with Mikey here.
Also, batteries take charging current better (less wear) at lower states of charge. That's why I put a variable-current charging algorithm into my Infuse kernels (charginghacks branch on github)
800 mA at low voltages (200 above stock), dropping to 550 near the end (50 below stock).
Unfortunately, charginghacks is likely not going to be possible with our hardware. One of the differences between the I9100 and I777 is a different battery charger circuit - ours is far less flexible.
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I agree with Mikey here.
Also, batteries take charging current better (less wear) at lower states of charge. That's why I put a variable-current charging algorithm into my Infuse kernels (charginghacks branch on github)
800 mA at low voltages (200 above stock), dropping to 550 near the end (50 below stock).
Unfortunately, charginghacks is likely not going to be possible with our hardware. One of the differences between the I9100 and I777 is a different battery charger circuit - ours is far less flexible.
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This phone actually charges with the screen on though, so it's not like the Infuse where the battery would drain with the screen on and the phone charging.
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This phone actually charges with the screen on though, so it's not like the Infuse where the battery would drain with the screen on and the phone charging.
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Infuse would charge with the screen on - but not if the screen was on AND the CPU was cranking.
(worst-case was navigation at full brightness - and I've seen reports that the I9100 also has the same problem.)
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Infuse would charge with the screen on - but not if the screen was on AND the CPU was cranking.
(worst-case was navigation at full brightness - and I've seen reports that the I9100 also has the same problem.)
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When web browsing, playing a game, or other general use late at night I'd plug the Infuse into the charger. It would still drain. Doing the same on the SGS II and it at the very least maintains it's battery level, so it's a drastic improvement over the Infuse.
Yes, I know that there is a battery life thread but this is question is not about SOT and what apps eat up battery. I'm just trying to figure out how to extend the battery's lifespan
Battery life on phones inevitably get worse over time. With the S6 being sealed so tight in one piece, it is not going to be easy to just pop in a fresh battery after a year or so when your battery starts lasting you just half a day.
I've read contradicting info on whether or not you should be using your battery right down to 0% to "break in" a new battery. One of my friends constantly drains his battery down to 0 before charging it, while I've read that this is bad for batteries from other places. Another thing I hear people doing is unplugging their phones from the charger soon as it reaches 100%, does this actually do anything? I just want some tips from people who would know how to get the most out of a battery over time.
Batteries are pretty smart these days, so they'll not over charge unless very defective. LI batteries do not need to be drained first... the old NiCad ones did IIRC. The life of a LI battery is going to be measured in full charging cycles, so partial charging makes no difference to the overall life of the battery vs draining completely before charging.
Coming from an HTC One, removable battery really want an issue for me. Although I'd certainly prefer it.
Like bjhill said, li-ion and li-polymer batteries these days should wash away any concern you have with the battery's lifespan.
Some people say occasionally you should drain your battery below 20% and charge it all the way to full without interruption (maybe once a month). Other than that there's jack all to do.
You don't need a new battery after a year, unless you did something stupid.
Just make sure that the phone doesnt overheat while charging. Thats the main reason for bloated batteries.
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Just make sure that the phone doesnt overheat while charging. Thats the main reason for bloated batteries.
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Quick charger isn't helping that cause
This is app is a must have and thought I'd share. Like everywhere I have read, they say battery should not be charged to 100%, it will hurt the battery somehow. This app "Battery Charge Limit" automatically (with root) stops charging the phone at whatever percent you want and starts charging back up at whatever percent you want. So you can always stop before it hits 100. It can be used without root but it only notifies you and you have to manually unplug the phone to stop charging. Better with root since its automatic.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.slash.batterychargelimit
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Don't charge to 100%
Slow charge only
Don't quick charge
Don't use wireless charger because it heats up the battery
Lower brightness to 10% for best battery life
Disable wifi/lte/nfc/bluetooth for best battery life
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Don't charge to 100%
Slow charge only
Don't quick charge
Don't use wireless charger because it heats up the battery
Lower brightness to 10% for best battery life
Disable wifi/lte/nfc/bluetooth for best battery life
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Keep it turned off for a better batter longevity ??
Damn thos people are more preocupied of how to prevent the battery wear than actually enjoying this amazing phone
Well coming from an HTC device where after like what 6 months, my battery starts dying much quicker and hopefully this app and the nature of Samsung makes my phone battery last longer. Never owned a Samsung, so I don't know how the battery lasts over time.
This is a myth, modern phones already prevent damage from overcharging with the charge controller in the phone. Fast charging and slow charging also does not make a difference in battery longevity.
Just use your phone like a phone.
Yeah no
@nukeclears you need to bone up a bit more on battery chemistry before making statements like this. Overcharging is very different from charging to 80%. That's why Apple just implemented a charge limit in ios13 and Tesla strongly recommend charging to 80/90% max for daily use. Samsung just don't want to do this because they haven't felt enough pressure. I'll bet they implement it on the S11 and then for all phones by the end of the year.
Tab S4 has a setting to stop charging at 80%
You guys do need to go through all this? For what?
I have a Note 3 with battery since 2014 or 15, it still gives me the same power, sometimes it's better than it first was.
Charging fast/slow doesn't affect anything, I'm doing so for years.
I really don't think batteries die, if you felt it's weakening, just change OS, not the battery.
Samsung themselves, on the s10 series, suggest to charge from 30% to 80% everytime you need a charge.
In my daily usage, stopping charge to 90% is enough and I have all the juice i need till the next day.
If you are rooted, Battery Charge Limit app can be very useful to optimize the life of your battery (remember: battery is the first hardware component that ages your phone). On my 2015's Sony phone, they wanted me to pay 75 euros for battery replacement...
This thread is full of people who know nothing of batteries.
I bet your phone battery does "feel" the same after years when your os pushed that update that permanently limited your frequencys lmao.
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Don't charge to 100%
Slow charge only
Don't quick charge
Don't use wireless charger because it heats up the battery
Lower brightness to 10% for best battery life
Disable wifi/lte/nfc/bluetooth for best battery life
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Enjoy replacing it every year because phone batteries are becoming more commonly HARD GLUED into place. So go ahead, switch the whole phone out.