Are there any webtop developers for cynogen?
Just asking if i will be able to get webtop on non blured roms.
My guess is - probably not.
No.
The webtop is reliant on various Motorola and Blur specific, proprietary services and code. Short of a complete rewrite there will never be a webtop on a de-blurred ROM. You'd be better off hoping for a switch to tablet mode when docked.
wait a minute, it's just Ubuntu on other partition, it could be done, but it's a little bit complicated. We can manage Webtop2SD for run Webtop on non-blur roms. But like I said, it's a little bit hard to do. On the other side, there is Linux On Android but this is not the same
download nebtop, i used it while i had CM7 to be able to use the webtop feature
ovitz said:
wait a minute, it's just Ubuntu on other partition, it could be done, but it's a little bit complicated. We can manage Webtop2SD for run Webtop on non-blur roms. But like I said, it's a little bit hard to do. On the other side, there is Linux On Android but this is not the same
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download nebtop, i used it while i had CM7 to be able to use the webtop feature
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thx for the reply guys
I want to have one command starting automatically every time i start ubuntop.
it is "sudo setxkbmap hu" How can I do that? Where should I write this command?
Thanks in advance
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I've been thinking: In order to use UrukDroid or Churli's quick-root method, we have to sacrifice using the other, as well as giving up on Angstrom (not a great loss...).
Thinking of the future, is there a way we can insert a bootmenu (something Grub-like) at the beginning of the SDE boot process that could allow us to have multiple OSs on the Archos. This way, for example, we could install Uruk on the SD while still having Angstrom available. We could then potentially install Ubuntu, Honeycomb betas, etc. in additional partitions we create.
I'm hoping to inspire someone...
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I've been thinking: In order to use UrukDroid or Churli's quick-root method, we have to sacrifice using the other, as well as giving up on Angstrom (not a great loss...).
Thinking of the future, is there a way we can insert a bootmenu (something Grub-like) at the beginning of the SDE boot process that could allow us to have multiple OSs on the Archos. This way, for example, we could install Uruk on the SD while still having Angstrom available. We could then potentially install Ubuntu, Honeycomb betas, etc. in additional partitions we create.
I'm hoping to inspire someone...
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Yes and no.
The no.
The problem is that the real boot loader (equivalent to grub on a linux box) is still not accessible. That boot loader is what does the choice between the custom, init and recovery images that are place in the /mnt/rawfs.
The Yes
It would be possible to create a zImage and an initramfs.cpio.gz with a special init script that asks what root filesystem to mount and then complete the boot.
The thing is that the kernel will be shared between all the custom boot solutions.
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It would be possible to create a zImage and an initramfs.cpio.gz with a special init script that asks what root filesystem to mount and then complete the boot.
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That is what I was thinking about. I guess it was too early in the morning when I posted...
The thing is that the kernel will be shared between all the custom boot solutions.
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So, did the Angstrom that came in the SDE run on the same kernal as the Android on the Archos? I assume not. If not, this would mean we could only pull this stunt for different Android builds only, right?
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So, did the Angstrom that came in the SDE run on the same kernal as the Android on the Archos? I assume not. If not, this would mean we could only pull this stunt for different Android builds only, right?
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I don't think so. Installing the SDE gives you the possibility to install a secondary kernel and to uninstall the default Android kernel.
So I can give you a No for your first question and a 'Yes, at the current state of development ans research' for your second question.
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That is what I was thinking about. I guess it was too early in the morning when I posted...
So, did the Angstrom that came in the SDE run on the same kernal as the Android on the Archos? I assume not. If not, this would mean we could only pull this stunt for different Android builds only, right?
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There can be 3 different kernels.
custom
init
recovery
The custom is the only one that can be replaced when the SDE is flashed to the device, init is the stock android and recovery is just a kernel with some scripts that give you the ability to do stuff like reformat check disk etc.... Also the recovery is the part that is used to flash the custom kernel.
What about kexec, seems to be the perfect choice for this problem.
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What about kexec, seems to be the perfect choice for this problem.
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Sounds good to me, someone should definitly do some research and testing. Unfortunately it won't be me as I already have a bunch of project going on
This isn't bypassing the bootloader, thus I didn't want to step on the toes of the Devs on the other thread...but I came across this article!
Yes, I know the performance will never be as good as directly accessing the hardware, but the NT is a lot beefier than the NC, so it might not be as bad. It wouldn't be easy build the image, either, but if it's possible, what's learned doing this might be useful for the day, hopefully, that the boot loader is unlocked/bypassed.
I'm also thinking that it would be easier to port a modified android ROM vs another operating system like Ubuntu or Debian. Thoughts?
Nevermind.
I got a chroot of gentoo running just fine. I'm sure ubuntu or debian or whatever would be just as easy.
That's great that Linux is working...I was thinking more about running a CM7 or CM9 alpha modified iso inside of stock using chroot!
The thought being that CM7 (or similar Nook Roms) should be easier to setup than Ubuntu or Fedora, and that we wouldn't need to worry about the boot loader. Again, it's not as ideal as bypassing the boot loader, but it would be nice to have CM7 or CM9 while that's being worked on.
UPDATE
I will keep updating issues about Webtop on my website. I won't copy those analysis or finding to here to reduce redundancy and effort....
Demo Video
What is this about?
In short, you can use this to activate Webtop mode and see the virtual pad on the phone with an HDMI cable only.
In long, this is a runtime MOD that can simulate the docking event of the HD dock so that the virtual pad will come up. Together with the hw.whisper trick, the Webtop option can then show up and being selected.
This mean if you set the hw.whisper manually, you could still see the Webtop option. Be sure to set this using root before plugging in the HDMI cable.
To make this ease of use and able to simulate the docking event, an APP has been written to do the runtime MOD for you.
This app requires ROOT privilege.
Why is it called Nebtop?
Well, everything needs a name.
HDMI Cable \ + Nebtop -> \Nebtop -> Webtop
For sure, the phone must have webtop built-in for this to work.
What is the difference of this MOD comparing to the existing system apk MOD?
Fenny's MOD was the first that allows exactly the same result for various Moto phones. That was the first important foundation for further improvement.
The runtime MOD done by Nebtop has the advantage of not changing anything persistently. So in the worst scenario the kernel will panic and cause reboot only.
Also, this MOD is trying to be universal, for different phones and ROMs that supports Webtop. Even it failed for kernel compatibility issues, if it can be done, it will be done.
Tested device
Razr (Tested by me)
Atrix, Atrix 2
Photon
Bionic
Droid 4
Feel free to try it on your Webtop workable device with an HDMI cable! As the least request, please report whether it works for you and what phone and ROM you're using so that I could keep this MOD by APP improved.
Download it here: https://sites.google.com/site/androidnothize/nebtop
Or search Nebtop in Market.
Enjoy!
If you think that it helps you and would like to support my work, you could always find the latest version from market which is a paid version.
Special thanks
Fenny for the first for the Webtop Via HDMI Without a Dock breakthrough.
Turl from the atrix dev team for the hw.whisper trick.
Just tried it out; although I was using the botched CDMA hacked webtop the trackpad display came up but no function; It does show that it is connected to a dock though which is a good step in the right direction.
Do you have the original webtop files available in a zip format to flash through CWM or possibly full ROM for CDMA Verizon?
* reloaded razrx rom; now webtop shows top left only of my screen but still no control from the phone itself
** reset phone; full screen but still no responsive phone pad
*** loaded nitro deodexed; still no response to the phone pad, displays fine but the new display comes up blank as the rest
**** loaded another stock rooted rom 744; no change in phonepad function; phonepad appears and can rotate, extent of function
CDMA Verizon
Kernel 2.6.35.7
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Works fantastically on stock outside of the safe strap rom
works like a charm man !!!!! thank you so much !!!!!!!! wow - thanks man
Ooooooooo my ROM is asia version.....
Do you have the logcat -v time files?
Although it's unrelated to the app, I'm interested to know how did it happen and any work around.
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Ooooooooo my ROM is asia version.....
Do you have the logcat -v time files?
Although it's unrelated to the app, I'm interested to know how did it happen and any work around.
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I am also having issues with ADB; I have to see if something isn't wrong with my device
Could you install SSHDroid and use WiFi to ssh to the device?
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Could you install SSHDroid and use WiFi to ssh to the device?
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Yeah I can do that, what files do you need?
Will need the logcat -v time when you loaded Nebtop and see the virtual pad on the phone, that cannot rotate or won't pop keyboard or have no effect when moving.......
Also try those home,back,setting and search keys.
And make sure you have a clean reboot before testing since sometimes webtop can fall into an unstable state as I've tried which will only be cleared after phone reboot.
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Yeah I can do that, what files do you need?
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Mind to tell which ROM are you using? It's for statistics purpose.
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works like a charm man !!!!! thank you so much !!!!!!!! wow - thanks man
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This works 100% in my Razr runing Artic V1.5 ! Awesome work thanks!
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Im using the stock Asia Rom. kernel is 2.6.35.7
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Will need the logcat -v time when you loaded Nebtop and see the virtual pad on the phone, that cannot rotate or won't pop keyboard or have no effect when moving.......
Also try those home,back,setting and search keys.
And make sure you have a clean reboot before testing since sometimes webtop can fall into an unstable state as I've tried which will only be cleared after phone reboot.
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I am unable to generate a log file for you; I even attempted adb shell within a terminal emulator on the phone; [email protected]_spyder:/# basically saying the device is offline, I reset the adb server a couple times and it didn't help.
What works:
Displays the virtual pad and rotates
What doesn't:
The screen becomes unresponsive, the display which mirrors the phones display is blank, and none of the virtual keys work, including the hard keys such as home, back, etc.
I have reset the phone and used multiple roms for CDMA however I can't seem to get it working. I have fixed permissions, each wipe I do data, cache, format system, and wipe dalvik cache (although it gives me an error about E: SD-ext).
If you have any suggestions to get the ADB service back up and recognizing itself I will gladly get you logcat files.
*Side Note: I know it isn't my PC drivers or my Mac; I attempted to get adb running on all including the terminal inside the phone; all say the device is offline, is it possible it has something to do with safestrap?
I thought once installed SSHDroid, you could use ssh/PuTTY to access the terminal from PC, gather the log and redirect to a file, then finally scp to copy the file back to PC.
Or use another SwiFtp app for file transfer as the default install of SSHDroid failed to initiate the scp for me.
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I am unable to generate a log file for you; I even attempted adb shell within a terminal emulator on the phone; [email protected]_spyder:/# basically saying the device is offline, I reset the adb server a couple times and it didn't help.
What works:
Displays the virtual pad and rotates
What doesn't:
The screen becomes unresponsive, the display which mirrors the phones display is blank, and none of the virtual keys work, including the hard keys such as home, back, etc.
I have reset the phone and used multiple roms for CDMA however I can't seem to get it working. I have fixed permissions, each wipe I do data, cache, format system, and wipe dalvik cache (although it gives me an error about E: SD-ext).
If you have any suggestions to get the ADB service back up and recognizing itself I will gladly get you logcat files.
*Side Note: I know it isn't my PC drivers or my Mac; I attempted to get adb running on all including the terminal inside the phone; all say the device is offline, is it possible it has something to do with safestrap?
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works perfect!!! thx on arctic 1.5....
400757 said:
I thought once installed SSHDroid, you could use ssh/PuTTY to access the terminal from PC, gather the log and redirect to a file, then finally scp to copy the file back to PC.
Or use another SwiFtp app for file transfer as the default install of SSHDroid failed to initiate the scp for me.
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The issue I am having also is when I attempt to log nothing is coming up. As if no events exist; I am not sure whats wrong. The only logcat command I know is adb shell logcat etc. ; what other command could I use?
Does it work with motorola atrix?
I want to make it work for most devices and ROM that has webtop. So let's try and let me know the result.
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Does it work with motorola atrix?
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Works great on vzw razr...thanks.
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I want to make it work for most devices and ROM that has webtop. So let's try and let me know the result.
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I tried it on my Bell Atrix running 2.3.6 and your emulator works great
Thanks!
Works great on my razr! Thanks
So, I actually own an Atrix 2, but I figured I'd post this here as webtop/linux development is much more active. I've gotten my device set up with a custom linux installation, but it seems the OS could run much faster were it not hampered by the phone running its own OS at the same time. Would it be possible to, say, modify the android boot scripts to launch webtop instead if it detects a dock? Just have the phone with a blank screen fully powering the /osh environment on the lapdock. Once undocked, you'd have to manually reboot so the system could actually boot up android again.
It seems like there's no reason why this shouldn't be possible. Just a simple boot script that uses the phone's ability to detect whether or not it is docked; if it is, boot into webtop, if not, run android. Once, my phone had a forced reboot while I was in webtop mode. However, instead of webtop going down with the phone, I opened the mobile view and actually watched the phone's boot animation and boot process, with webtop still running. Maybe there could be a script that runs android until webtop is fully "hooked", then shuts down android and continues running webtop?
Secondary question, is it possible to upgrade the linux install itself with the sudo dist-upgrade command?
I think it is actually quite possible to do this. The reason I say that is because I have seen the Android component of the phone reboot whilst being docked into the Lapdock. The whole Android environment is then reloaded once again meaning that Ubuntu is running as the host OS.
The challenge is if you can get it to boot directly into the Ubuntu shell primarily as opposed to going directly into Dalvik.
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I think it is actually quite possible to do this. The reason I say that is because I have seen the Android component of the phone reboot whilst being docked into the Lapdock. The whole Android environment is then reloaded once again meaning that Ubuntu is running as the host OS.
The challenge is if you can get it to boot directly into the Ubuntu shell primarily as opposed to going directly into Dalvik.
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That's exactly what happened to me! Te webtop environment stayed booted, but just ran the boot script again. All you'd have to do would be to edit the android boot script to check if RM_IS_DOCKED, right? Or does the webtop rely on certain android components to run?
Secondary question, if I were to go the route of letting it load android, then webtop, then unload android, how would I send a command to android to shut down without *actually* shutting down?
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I dont know enough about the technical details of the boot scripts to do this. But just as a observation, it does look plausible from the Dalvik rebooting separate to the Jaunty instance I have running.
I would like to know how to do this as well
Sorry guys, this is technically not possible.
At boot, the Linux kernel starts first. It is a custom kernel with Android patches - that implies, as far as I know, some extra security (only users with uid of 3000something have IP access) and something that breaks udev. The latter thing messing up init scripts of most modern Linux distros.
Then the Dalvik VM is started - which is the one that sucks the RAM.
Then the mountosh command is started, which takes care of mounting the webtop partition.
Then ubuntu.sh is started, which takes care of initializing the webtop environment.
The "docked" event launches a script in /etc/init.d (don't remember the name, probably stg like StartWebtop.sh) which starts the Moto's customized Xorg and some other software for the trackpad.
I think that what you have seen rebooting is probably the Dalvik VM - not sure why, I've seen it too at times.
IMHO webtop is slow because the Linux apps in Ubuntu are memory-hungry and not optimized for ARM.
I think Moto was hoping that HTML5 apps would take off sooner - so to make webtop useful just with the bundled firefox - but that never happened.
In the meanwhile, android tablet apps are getting more and more mature, and they are optimized for lower memory and less CPU than Ubuntu apps (eg Quickoffice vs Libreoffice, maildroid vs thunderbird). Hence Moto killing the webtop the way we know it and replacing it with TabletUI ICS.
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Interesting thread. I have always been amazed by the Atrix with webtop (only had it for a few days, until I hard bricked it ).
Actually, from what I was able to see, it was not Android as host OS, then running Ubuntu. It was 1 kernel (the Linux kernel for Android, as we always have on an Android phone), and on top of that kernel, two different OSes: "Android" and "Webtop (ubuntu based)". It was especially visible when running ps from one or the other, you could see there was actually no distinction, no isolation between both. From Android you could see all the webtop processes, and from webtop the android processes as well. It was amazing!
(confirmed in https://books.google.nl/books?id=E9...btop a second OS on same linux kernel&f=false, Figure 6.8)
Technically it 's the once and only time I have seen this happen actually. Never before, and never since.
So, yes, it was very possible to "soft reboot" any of the two OSes and keep the other one running, as long as the kernel was kept running (not rebooting the phone). That would mean restarting the Android zigote or Ubuntu/Webtop init (or whatever was doing that function).
I am trying to install ubuntu, on to my phone. But when i type cd into my phone i getcd: hoke not set, how do i set tue home or fix this? Im going crazy, and i already unrpoted and rerooted still get the same problem. I installed everything in busybox twice, HELP!!!!
If you are running CM7/CM9/MIUI (pretty much any AOSP ROM) there are known issues with Ubuntu Installer that are specific to Motorola phones. There is a very specific setup required to get it to work. Also none of the current scripts and Ubuntu images seem to work. I've been testing it for some time and the only way I was able to get it to work was Joker's CM9, v5 script and one of the old images. Even if you do get it to work there are kb/mouse input issues and audio/video doesn't work correctly.
If you are running a Blur based ROM then root/unlock and flash Ubuntop.
In short it's a fully functional Ubuntu/Webtop OR AOSP. Can't have both.
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If you are running CM7/CM9/MIUI (pretty much any AOSP ROM) there are known issues with Ubuntu Installer that are specific to Motorola phones. There is a very specific setup required to get it to work. Also none of the current scripts and Ubuntu images seem to work. I've been testing it for some time and the only way I was able to get it to work was Joker's CM9, v5 script and one of the old images. Even if you do get it to work there are kb/mouse input issues and audio/video doesn't work correctly.
If you are running a Blur based ROM then root/unlock and flash Ubuntop.
In short it's a fully functional Ubuntu/Webtop OR AOSP. Can't have both.
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Dude yu are the ****!!! Thanks for thiis info it brought so much stress off me haha, i been at it all day, litterally, and yu sound cokputer savvy. Which means yurprobly smart. Neways im looking into making glasses/shades that output a live feed of any monitor, typicaly cell phones, pcs etc. Anyways i am in phase 1 of my project, which is rounding up a team of 4 not including me. P.s maij funding will be from wealthy donators.