I have heard a lot about people's phones not working and so on...
Why do people [especially noobs] root the Htc One X?
I know it must be easy to do, how fast can the HTC One X go with root?
Apparently putting CM10 on the HOX makes it 60% faster than the S3 on CM10.
Rooting also allows you to delete bloat, backup apps/entire system, access system level files, flash ROMs, save battery with underclocking, and so much more.
Why root the HOX? Same reason as any other Android.
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As every Android the reasons for rooting is:
Performance, run shell, run ssh, customize, do complete backups, use other Roms, add users, enable adb by wifi...
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Rooting your devices unlocks the full power of the device!
There are plenty of apps on the market that require root giving you a range of extra features like full app backups (with data).
How about installing some Linux on that bad boy and finding out just how powerful your device is!
Granted rooting back in the old days of android (1.6 and before) rooting was alot more useful as these days more and more features are integrated into android itself. But its still very useful!
ri123 said:
I have heard a lot about people's phones not working and so on...
Why do people [especially noobs] root the Htc One X?
I know it must be easy to do, how fast can the HTC One X go with root?
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because we can.
and deleting bloat.
root doesn't increase the performance. it is overclocking the cpu/flashing custom roms and kernels that increase performance
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root doesn't increase the performance. it is overclocking the cpu/flashing custom roms and kernels that increase performance
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Sure mate but without root you cannot overclock our unlock for improve your battery. SetCPU for example request root.
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SferaDev said:
Sure mate but without root you cannot overclock our unlock for improve your battery. SetCPU for example request root.
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Most stock kernels dont support over clocking though
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gagdude said:
Apparently putting CM10 on the HOX makes it 60% faster than the S3 on CM10.
Rooting also allows you to delete bloat, backup apps/entire system, access system level files, flash ROMs, save battery with underclocking, and so much more.
Why root the HOX? Same reason as any other Android.
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SferaDev said:
As every Android the reasons for rooting is:
Performance, run shell, run ssh, customize, do complete backups, use other Roms, add users, enable adb by wifi...
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because we can.
and deleting bloat.
root doesn't increase the performance. it is overclocking the cpu/flashing custom roms and kernels that increase performance
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Root does not specifically grant you access to flashing other ROMs. Root grants you SU (super user) access to certain apps that call for it and allow you read/write access to more of the system and its files. With any HTC phone (not sure about Samsung and Motorola phones someone can correct me on this) made in the last year to be able to flash custom ROMs you had to be either s-off or at the very least have an unlocked boot loader which in turn granted you more access to where the Android system files are and access to memory blocks where the OS is installed.... But to this day if you are unlocked on well let's use my phone for example... I have the ATT HTC one X. When you unlock the phone through HTCDev.com website you have a grip more access to the phone and its files but the downside is voided warranty through the manufacture and HTC. While you have all the access you need to flash custom roms you still don't have access to flashing an engineering Hboot or an un secured Hboot ( you can flash you will get a signature error) both of which can give extra commands to the advanced user. Hope this helps
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Spankly said:
Root does not specifically grant you access to flashing other ROMs. Root grants you SU (super user) access to certain apps that call for it and allow you read/write access to more of the system and its files.
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You are right root just adds one binary, change the rw permissions in the system folder and the Superuser app grants access to the binary. But the benefits are those listed.
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Hello Devs & fellas,I'm from India,I want to root my cell and I know the process too...Also I'm aware of nullifying the warranty terms from HTC..But the question is what will I be able to do after I root my cell..Please don't say that I can install customizable roms..tell something interesting but in general user language...Seeking help from admins,friends?? Thankyou..
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Well, installing custom ROMs is just one option, and it usually needs a custom recovery too. But root allows you to have access to the whole system - this means that you can remove bloatware, change system values, overclock your phone; there are endless possibilities. You can even backup and restore the whole system (including your data!). And imagine ad-free apps. All these come from rooting. You don't NEED all of these, but if you're adventurous... You can search google or youtube for some food for thought I am rooted, and I find myself not being able to live without root; I use its functionality everyday. Make your own decision
Folks,
I just got a Galaxy Note 1717 the other day and i'm still learning. I'll probably root it once ICS comes out for it on AT&T, but i'm still a bit confused about what that *means*. The threads i've read on it here and there seem to make some assumptions that as a linux user i'm not making properly.
When you root an android phone what actually happens?
If i root an android phone does that mean:
a) I've allowed acess to the root user by either changing the sudo rules or setting home to /root instead of /bin/false or /bin/nologin?
b) when i'm using the phone i'm doing so as the root user instead of [whatver user i am when it's not rooted. I don't know what name user 1000 has becuase i can't find the passwd file and probably wouldn't have the rights to it even if i could]
or is it some other thing that's actually happening when you root a phone?
As a Gentoo linux user i find this a bit confusing, even if it is a linux/gnu based system.
A) would mean that various programs are able to acces the root user when they need to.
b) would mean that i'm essencially logged in as root all the time, which in the linux word is a THOU-SHALT-NOT.
Thanks,
Bearcat
From a practical point of view, when you root, you are able to give some apps superuser permissions.
Now this means
Apps like Titanium backup can remove vendor installed apps, which is otherwise not possible.
Phone locator kind of apps can turn on and turn off GPS radio. You do not have to manually enable it.
From a linux users perspective, you can fire up terminal and do a rm -rf / . But do not do that!
Thanks.
So, to clarify: if i root my Note and then fire up mxplayer and watch a movie ,then fire up pageonce to look at my bank accounts, does that mean that i've just done both of those things as the root user?
Here's a more technical explanation of how root works that answers some of your questions:
http://cjix.info/blog/misc/how-rooting-works-a-technical-explanation-of-the-android-rooting-process/
Quick answer to your question - no. things are only run as a su if they need to, or rather, if the app has some functions that need it. Eg - titaniums access to /system needs root access, so the app fires up with su permissions. Only apps that need root access get it, and you have to allow the app the access.
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Thanks for the link jr67, i'l read that over.
New Ion? thanks for the clarification. I understand it more now, and think i'll root my phone after ICS comes out for AT&T on the note.
Its very worth it, if even only for titanium. First thing you should do is backup everything.
Ooh and the paid version is the single most worth it app ever. Many apps ive paid for and havent touched really, TB's paid differences you use every time.
Edit - titanium, root explorer and wifi kill are the only apps I have that use root access. Just fyi
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Wow! Titanum back up looks fantastic! Granted, i don't know what all the terms mean (dalvik? Isn't that a Dr. Who thing? :") ). I grabbed ES File explorer but Root Explorer looks even better.
Side question: Is there any such thing as updating a rom once i have one installed, or do i have to backup, re-flash and restore with each update that comes out for a particular rom?
Android is programmed in Java. since Java cannot be run, but needs a virtual machine, we use the dalvik vm. When you install cwm, you will have the option to clear it, and you probably should, depending.
As for updates, it all depends on what the dev tells you to do. Example: cm9 nightlies only require cache and dalvik wipes, however the roms I run usually require a full wipe. It can suck, but there are ways to make it better.
Look into the advanced restore function of cwm. I've never used it, but I know done swear by it
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Thanks. I don't know what cwm is (at least anything more than it's some sort of rom). I'l look it up.
It replaces the stock recovery, and allows the user to interact with it. i think its hosted at clockworkmod.com as well
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Does anyone know if it is possible to have AOSP on the S3 but without root at all - i.e. so I can run all apps, even those that block usage owing to root? I know on sammy roms you can temporarily unroot, but some apps still manage to find root access.
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Tom
You mean root install rom then remove root .??
Root is /system/bin/su so yes, it can be removed
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Kinda. As in flash an AOSP ROM that doesn't have root by default? From experience, AOSP ROMS tend to handle root differently?
WTVTom said:
Kinda. As in flash an AOSP ROM that doesn't have root by default? From experience, AOSP ROMS tend to handle root differently?
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AFAIK all AOSP roms are rooted.
And handle differently as in ?
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Does anyone know if it is possible to have AOSP on the S3 but without root at all - i.e. so I can run all apps, even those that block usage owing to root? I know on sammy roms you can temporarily unroot, but some apps still manage to find root access.
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Tom
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You can build yourself a copy and not root it. That's always an option.
All hail Lucipurr!
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And handle differently as in ?
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As in root is baked directly into settings. I'm not sure what the result would be of removing it. Likewise if I remove it from the rom before installation
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As in root is baked directly into settings. I'm not sure what the result would be of removing it. Likewise if I remove it from the rom before installation
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No, thats SuperUser. Root itself is /system/bin/su and can be removed like any other binary in a directory can be (using an explorer with root permissions).
Super User in settings simply acts as a gatekeeper for the root binary (as the apk would if you had that) so it doesn't matter that it remains. Its only there to allow / deny applications root access and remember which you allow or deny. It doesn't actually "give" root.
Okay that makes sense. So if I remove that folder, root access will no longer function and likewise, no apps will be able to detect a rooted state? And the ROM itself won't consequentially malfunction?
The thing is I tried that before but the apps seemed nonetheless able to detect root previously etc. There's a thread that details this in the sense where it only works for about half of users?
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Okay that makes sense. So if I remove that folder, root access will no longer function and likewise, no apps will be able to detect a rooted state? And the ROM itself won't consequentially malfunction?
The thing is I tried that before but the apps seemed nonetheless able to detect root previously etc. There's a thread that details this in the sense where it only works for about half of users?
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I'm not sure. There's no reason really how it can detect root but all I can suggest is trying it. /system/bin/ is a folder. Do not delete that. delete the su binary inside.
Okay I'll post results I'm a bit
Does HTC really not have any official File Manager? It is quite stupid as this is Android. A File Manager is ESSENTIAL.
I know I can just download any File Manager like Astro, ES or FX but the update to 4.4 KK prohibits me from writing or deleting anything in my memory card.
I had a Note 3 and it had an official File Manager which, being officially made by Samsung, can freely access anything in the memory card even with 4.4.
Is there a workaround without having to root?
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Does HTC really not have any official File Manager? It is quite stupid as this is Android. A File Manager is ESSENTIAL.
I know I can just download any File Manager like Astro, ES or FX but the update to 4.4 KK prohibits me from writing or deleting anything in my memory card.
I had a Note 3 and it had an official File Manager which, being officially made by Samsung, can freely access anything in the memory card even with 4.4.
Is there a workaround without having to root?
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Currently no solution without root access because of the written permission in media. For now, must be rooted to edit those permission.
go old school, plug up the gadget to the computer and directly access the storage.. i know its a radical way of thinking but trust me it works.
im stock non rooted and i PREFER to connect to the computer when transferring large files, etc. YMMV of course...
I hate having to do that, the reason I do not have an iphone. Oh well. I guess I will just have to trade this with a Note 3. I stopped rooting after selling my S3 and realizing that onwards, processors dont need overclocking and undervolting anymore. It kinda sucks if I will have to root this phone and lose my warranty just for the sole sake of managing my files in the memory card.
Too cumbersome for a task I should have every right of doing.
HTC is too stupid to not have included it's own file manager. What the hell are they thinking?
I dont even see any apps in "HTC Apps". HTC developers are too damn lazy.
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I hate having to do that, the reason I do not have an iphone. Oh well. I guess I will just have to trade this with a Note 3. I stopped rooting after selling my S3 and realizing that onwards, processors dont need overclocking and undervolting anymore. It kinda sucks if I will have to root this phone and lose my warranty just for the sole sake of managing my files in the memory card.
Too cumbersome for a task I should have every right of doing.
HTC is too stupid to not have included it's own file manager. What the hell are they thinking?
I dont even see any apps in "HTC Apps". HTC developers are too damn lazy.
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So just root it anyway and if you need to send it back just RUU it back to stock or something. Problem solved. While I agree on the overclocking/undervolting, there are so many other reasons to root besides that.
For one, ViperMax rom comes pre-installed with viper's file manager right out the box.
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So just root it anyway and if you need to send it back just RUU it back to stock or something. Problem solved. While I agree on the overclocking/undervolting, there are so many other reasons to root besides that.
For one, ViperMax rom comes pre-installed with viper's file manager right out the box.
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I might root. I am finding it hard to let go of this beautiful device. Just to clarify some things, can I ask a few questions?
First thing I need to do is Unlock bootloader right? What's next? Root or S-Off? And when can I relock the bootloader to reactivate Fingerprint?
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If you're on the 4.4.2 update you need to use Weaksauce + Firewater to s-off the device (it also unlocks bootloader too).
There is a post telling how to set the bootloader flag to locked/unlocked. I locked mine after instally a custom recovery and ROM, but I had no problems installing roms while the bootloader was locked.
Just leave it S-Off and you should be good.
https://www.blackhat.com/us-15/briefings.html#ah-universal-android-rooting-is-back
Just two more weeks guys.
Man I hope so. I love this little cheap phone. I am limited by using Verizon for service but would like more than an unlocked bootloader for xposed, backup, and certain apps that require root. Sure I would love a unlocked bootloader for custom roms but root would be more than enough for a phone that I paid for in cash and use straight talk. Verizon is way to damn controlling.
This will be epic. Is someone actually doing this for our device?
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This is not device specific. It is a universal root method for Lollipop, including 64bit devices, which the xt1528 is, and (so far, AFAIK) were not able to be rooted on lollipop, unless they had already unlocked bootloader.
Has any work gone towards getting this phone rooted? I got it "rooted" with KingRoot but haven't been able to find a method to convert it to real (permanent) root since we can't remount /system as R/W. It also reverts when the system reboots. It sucks because I'd really love to unlock the full capabilities of this phone. My XT1528 and I are available to work with a dev to get this rooted.
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Has any work gone towards getting this phone rooted? I got it "rooted" with KingRoot but haven't been able to find a method to convert it to real (permanent) root since we can't remount /system as R/W. It also reverts when the system reboots. It sucks because I'd really love to unlock the full capabilities of this phone. My XT1528 and I are available to work with a dev to get this rooted.
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Same boat as you. Achieved root with Kingroot, but I'm unable to mount /system rw.
However, mine has survived multiple reboots and Kingroot managed to permanently write its apk to /system, as well as its su binary to /system/xbin. In fact, I can't actually unroot or remove Kingroot for that very reason...
I'm stuck with "hobbled root". The good news is that nothing is broken, and everything is stable, with no glitches.
THIS is interesting. The PDF if publicly available via Google search.
https://www.blackhat.com/us-15/speakers/Wen-Xu.html
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premnas10123 said:
Same boat as you. Achieved root with Kingroot, but I'm unable to mount /system rw.
However, mine has survived multiple reboots and Kingroot managed to permanently write its apk to /system, as well as its su binary to /system/xbin. In fact, I can't actually unroot or remove Kingroot for that very reason...
I'm stuck with "hobbled root". The good news is that nothing is broken, and everything is stable, with no glitches.
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Hey do you mind elaborating? Idk if what you're talking about (king root) will work on the cricket version of this phone but I want to try it if that's the module you have
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icu64 said:
Hey do you mind elaborating? Idk if what you're talking about (king root) will work on the cricket version of this phone but I want to try it if that's the module you have
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I have the XT1528-Verizon version of this phone, running Android 5.1. The bootloader is locked down tight by the carrier, Verizon. Currently, there is no known way to unlock the bootloader on this variant of the Moto E, 2nd generation.
Because the bootloader is locked, it isn't possible to install a custom recovery, and without a custom recovery, it isn't possible to flash a custom ROM, which overwrites the stock system partition.
Furthermore, the locked bootloader prevents the /system partition from being mounted as read/write, so any changes to /system will revert back to stock upon rebooting the device, as it is mounted at boot as read only.
Somehow, during the rooting process, Kingroot was able to mount the /system partition as rw, and wrote its apk to /system, as well as its su binary to /system/xbin. These changes do not revert back upon reboot, so "root" is permanent, however, /system remains read only, so I am still unable to install a custom recovery, remove system apps, flash custom ROMs, or modify /system partition in any way. I'm quite sure it can be done, as kingroot was able to during the rooting process, but since it searches for and downloads whatever exploit it uses to root, the actual method is unknown.
Again, because I can't modify /system, I am unable to unroot because I can't remove the kingroot apk or binary from /system. This is why I call it permanently hobbled root.
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poss root vulnerability
Only on moto devices... When using a launcher for example (nova launcher ) the commands bypass root security... Maybe a Dev can use this info or reverse engineer the launcher to see how it bypass root security... Maybe can be rooted from other side... But what do I know, I'm just a noob
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Only on moto devices... When using a launcher for example (nova launcher ) the commands bypass root security... Maybe a Dev can use this info or reverse engineer the launcher to see how it bypass root security... Maybe can be rooted from other side... But what do I know, I'm just a noob
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Where did you learn this? Launchers run just like your email app runs... It doesn't modify any /system partition parameters. If it did and since our BL is locked..every time you reboot the phone the launcher would be reset.
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Oh and also...our xt1528 passes the pretests when running the latest version of Sunshine. @jcase is now aware if this info as well. He seemed for lack of a better word...surprised.
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Where did you learn this? Launchers run just like your email app runs... It doesn't modify any /system partition parameters. If it did and since our BL is locked..every time you reboot the phone the launcher would be reset.
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Oh and also...our xt1528 passes the pretests when running the latest version of Sunshine. @jcase is now aware if this info as well. He seemed for lack of a better word...surprised.
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i would need to see this, as sunshine has no root exploit in it that should work
mattgmm said:
Only on moto devices... When using a launcher for example (nova launcher ) the commands bypass root security... Maybe a Dev can use this info or reverse engineer the launcher to see how it bypass root security... Maybe can be rooted from other side... But what do I know, I'm just a noob
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No it doesnt
Screen shot posted in the Sunshine thread.
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i would need to see this, as sunshine has no root exploit in it that should work
No it doesnt
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Yes it does.... Androidpit......but only on Motorola moto devices but,....don't know why... With nova launcher long press home screen,select shortcut or widget,then select activities,scroll down to qcom settings--(normally only accessible threw rooted phone)..... If untrue,contact androidpit
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Yes it does.... Androidpit......but only on Motorola moto devices but,....don't know why... With nova launcher long press home screen,select shortcut or widget,then select activities,scroll down to qcom settings--(normally only accessible threw rooted phone)..... If untrue,contact androidpit
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qcom settings isnt only accessible on rooted phones, I could care less about contacting some blog.
Firing off an intent, like nov does, is all that is needed to open the settings