[Q] Why root? - Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

My question is plain and simple. I mean, I do know the benefits of rooting like backing up apps, removing bloatware, over/underclocking and so on. But in my own experience rooting the device and putting a custom rom in it automatically made the device less stable and more battery hungry (for some weird reason) plus added many many bugs which made me question why did I do it in the first place. So I'm asking do you feel any improvement whatsoever while using any custom rom? Or do you use custom rom just because you can?

It has thousans of reasons.. For simple example while every unrooted users rumor "when will come jely bean? I'm tired of waiting!!" Etc.. i run 4.1.1 jely bean on my SGS3 for 3 months.. its enough.
If you like always research for better and better mobile experience, you have to root your phone. Or simply just say yes for your brand's supply.
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lolkoz said:
My question is plain and simple. I mean, I do know the benefits of rooting like backing up apps, removing bloatware, over/underclocking and so on. But in my own experience rooting the device and putting a custom rom in it automatically made the device less stable and more battery hungry (for some weird reason) plus added many many bugs which made me question why did I do it in the first place. So I'm asking do you feel any improvement whatsoever while using any custom rom? Or do you use custom rom just because you can?
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since everbody is aware that customization can happen better with a custom rom over and above the stock one.
and regarding improvement, well it all depends on what sort of customization u need and accordingly the Custom rom and kernel u choose. which do vary from person to person.
and nobody use custom rom because they can but because they need the same to customize the phone accordingly to there need.

lolkoz said:
My question is plain and simple. I mean, I do know the benefits of rooting like backing up apps, removing bloatware, over/underclocking and so on. But in my own experience rooting the device and putting a custom rom in it automatically made the device less stable and more battery hungry (for some weird reason) plus added many many bugs which made me question why did I do it in the first place. So I'm asking do you feel any improvement whatsoever while using any custom rom? Or do you use custom rom just because you can?
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From my experience with my HTC Desire on which I tried a lot of different ROMs you can either:
1) Flash a stable ROM, benefit is that most of the time its faster than stock & includes additional features and is 99% stable. In addition ROMs are improved all the time and new features added that you might not get on your stock ROM or only very late
2) Flash a ROM that is currently under development and not stable, e.g. earlier ICS ROMs for the HTC Desire had features missing and were not very stable
In my case I started with stable ROMs as I need my phone as daily driver, after I got more experienced I switched to (2) and tried the not so stable ROMs as I always like to try new things etc. and you will get all those new features and improvements (sometimes on the cost of stability and or speed).
Basically up to you what you want to do.
For my Galaxy S III I will also start with a rooted stock ROM as currently I do not see that much benefits in the custom ROMs yet (please correct me if I am wrong).

The answer is also plain and simple. Rooting is to unlock your phone for more customisation and some extra features.
Why we need more customisation and extra features? Because we get bored easily and because we can.
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There is a really good article you can read here.

You just get so much more with root. Without root i would have been stock with stock rom on my htc desire and my xoom. The brilliant roms that are on here have provided me with so much more and given me an amazing experience with android.

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Why use custom roms? [relatively] new to Droid

Hello!!
I have just purchased a Galaxy 2 and it should arrive Friday or Monday.
I have been using the N900 for around 18 months and absolutely love the FREEDOM of a full Linux stack (Maemo).
Got too old and slow.
Upgrade time. SGS2 time!
Now. Rooting looks relatively easy, but why do you guys install custom roms?
Also, if anyone here can help with a small side question, the N900 has a FULL xterm with all available commands (/bin).
How do I go about getting such commands under android?
On Maemo it was as easy as "apt-get install //missing-command//"
I installed bash on my NItdroid (android on n900) but there are a few commands not available. Nothing special, just things like "history" and Possibly "nano" etc.
I had virtually zero commands on my old Xperia X10 (rooted), which is why I went back to N900. I'm a terminal geek!
Im used to having full Linux repo's.
I can build custom kernels for N900 and other Omap 3 and Omap 4 devices, but they are u-boot kernels, so I have to start learning again!!
Also, is there a terminal program which is green text on black background?? I can only find white on blue! YUCK! not nearly nerdy enough!
More often than not custom ROM's offer much better battery life and are faster and have many many added features which stock ROM's do not have, also most custom ROM's will not have Samsung bloatware in them which again will save you much battery,you can if you wish apply some themes on custom ROM's,the list is endless.
kingoddball said:
Hello!!
I have just purchased a Galaxy 2 and it should arrive Friday or Monday.
I have been using the N900 for around 18 months and absolutely love the FREEDOM of a full Linux stack (Maemo).
Got too old and slow.
Upgrade time. SGS2 time!
Now. Rooting looks relatively easy, but why do you guys install custom roms?
Also, if anyone here can help with a small side question, the N900 has a FULL xterm with all available commands (/bin).
How do I go about getting such commands under android?
On Maemo it was as easy as "apt-get install //missing-command//"
I installed bash on my NItdroid (android on n900) but there are a few commands not available. Nothing special, just things like "history" and Possibly "nano" etc.
I had virtually zero commands on my old Xperia X10 (rooted), which is why I went back to N900. I'm a terminal geek!
Im used to having full Linux repo's.
I can build custom kernels for N900 and other Omap 3 and Omap 4 devices, but they are u-boot kernels, so I have to start learning again!!
Also, is there a terminal program which is green text on black background?? I can only find white on blue! YUCK! not nearly nerdy enough!
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How's it going? I was on the N900 as well (still use it as my music player) and have recently moved on to the SGS2. speed wise it is miles apart! even thouse the Maemo repos have excellent apps, you do notice the lack of commercial apps for Maemo when using Android
i'm not sure if i have all the answers you require... a simple way to compare custom and regular ROMs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1219612
Rooting your SGS2 isnt as easy as typing "root" on the N900... you'll have to use CF Root with CWM (i think):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1103399
and a list of useful Root/ROM links at Android Forums:
http://androidforums.com/galaxy-s2-...guide-updated-12-00-pm-bst-jul-03-2011-a.html
i hope this helps
Thank you both. I'm not really a commercial app/program person.
I'm an active open source user. I love to modify and help with programs. I don't really like apple style control over programs.
I'm going to check those links. Thanks!
I hope I can try bring some of the work I made for Maemo over to android.
Most (90%) is terminal based, seems like droid users love the GUI stuff. Hehehe!
Well I will differ from Post 2. A custom ROM will bring more juice from battery? I don't believe it. It can definitely fix some bugs what the Stock one has, but nothing more than that. Also keep in mind there will be some glitch here and there in a Custom ROM.
I, personally, will never use a Custom ROM.
Regards.
kingoddball said:
Also, if anyone here can help with a small side question, the N900 has a FULL xterm with all available commands (/bin).
How do I go about getting such commands under android?
On Maemo it was as easy as "apt-get install //missing-command//"
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nope, in general this doesn't exist. you have a linux kernel with busybox (assuming you install this along with su), but afaik, that is the limit of what you might expect from a distro. All the apps are running in the android environment, unless you wanted to chroot into something like ubuntu. Whilst I suspect there are some distros that are close to running on an android phone (or netbook, like the ac100) you're no longer running android then.
Try
SL4A (Scripting Layer for Android) as a terminal emulator (shell python etc) and it is fully open source.
ithehappy said:
Well I will differ from Post 2. A custom ROM will bring more juice from battery? I don't believe it. It can definitely fix some bugs what the Stock one has, but nothing more than that. Also keep in mind there will be some glitch here and there in a Custom ROM.
I, personally, will never use a Custom ROM.
Regards.
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so then you, personally, will never know the difference between custom and stock. and yes, you can get better battery life with a custom rom. even a customized stock rom. with my infuse on infused 1.5 i got about 10-15% better battery life over stock.
boondoc said:
so then you, personally, will never know the difference between custom and stock. and yes, you can get better battery life with a custom rom. even a customized stock rom. with my infuse on infused 1.5 i got about 10-15% better battery life over stock.
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You answered by yourself.
That's what I meant anyway.
Regards.
there wasn't a question at hand to be answered...
Bit like why do people buy different cars .
Custom rom may add something or remove something from the phone is the basics .
jje
I found from flashing HTC Desire, that the cries of better battery life and performance on custom ROM's were generally over exaggeration or complete nonsense, as I tried loads of custom roms and the battery and performance remained the same throughout.
For this phone, my battery life is awesome anyway, and performance is awesome also. I also seem to be pretty much bug free, also
As for the technical questions and what not in this thread it's also gone over my head lol!
I for one will vouch for better battery and performance for custom roms. It only takes one disabled service/application to improve both categories.
Custom ROM's also add features you won't find in stock ROM's and arguably enhance existing features.
For example there is no reboot function on a stock ROM, but this is just one example. CM7 has a plethora of enhancements that simply rock, on the flip side there is still a few kinks it needs to work out, but with Cyanogen joining the samsung team it wont be long until a production phone comes out with CMx running on it.
You can just install 'Advanced Power Menu' for Reboot feature on a Stock ROM.
Altimas said:
I for one will vouch for better battery and performance for custom roms. It only takes one disabled service/application to improve both categories.
Custom ROM's also add features you won't find in stock ROM's and arguably enhance existing features.
For example there is no reboot function on a stock ROM, but this is just one example. CM7 has a plethora of enhancements that simply rock, on the flip side there is still a few kinks it needs to work out, but with Cyanogen joining the samsung team it wont be long until a production phone comes out with CMx running on it.
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I am interested in all of the benefits of using a custom ROM (especially theming) but what about the drawbacks? Don't you lose the optimizations that take advantage of the CPU/GPU?
What else would I be missing out on? I've been trying to find a thread dealing with this topic but am still searching.
.Arkham said:
I am interested in all of the benefits of using a custom ROM (especially theming) but what about the drawbacks? Don't you lose the optimizations that take advantage of the CPU/GPU?
What else would I be missing out on? I've been trying to find a thread dealing with this topic but am still searching.
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Their is no thread as their is no custom rom but many custom roms all with different features .
Why would you lose optimizations unless the custom rom developer decided to remove them and that would not really make sense .
The benefits of using a custom rom are that you can choose one with the features you required .
jje
JJEgan said:
Their is no thread as their is no custom rom but many custom roms all with different features .
Why would you lose optimizations unless the custom rom developer decided to remove them and that would not really make sense .
The benefits of using a custom rom are that you can choose one with the features you required .
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I know there's no single thread, what I meant was that it was hard to get the info about what the tradeoffs are of using various ROMs.
E.g. some do not have hardware acceleration (browser, video), and others don't let you use the stock app, etc... I've seen that some of the ROMs have made headway and do have hardware acceleration, but that seems to be the exception to the rule.
The only real alternative ROM is Cyanogenmod anyway. Any other rom is just some settings changed with notepad and some icons changed with photoshop.
.Arkham said:
I know there's no single thread, what I meant was that it was hard to get the info about what the tradeoffs are of using various ROMs.
E.g. some do not have hardware acceleration (browser, video), and others don't let you use the stock app, etc... I've seen that some of the ROMs have made headway and do have hardware acceleration, but that seems to be the exception to the rule.
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Yeah you wont lose a thing, just gives you a chance to add more try leomars revolution rom, it got its own kitchen apo in market so you can install tweaks and themes from the app !
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You use custom roms if you think your cellphone isn't amazingly fast enough or if you think four buttons at the lower panel is to iPhone-ish. I personally love Samsung bloatware...

[Q] Is it worth rooting?

Hi all,
I am getting my brand new factory unlocked white GSII tomorrow in the mail! I am incredibly excited, and also slightly confused. If the GSII is such a great phone, why root it? Also, if you rooted it, how do you even begin to decide what mod to use for it or what kernel?
How did you decide what mod and kernel you wanted?
Thanks!
J
The GS2 is a great phone. You don't need to root it you it satisfies your needs right-out-of-the-box, which it likely will.
Don't get the idea that everybody roots their phone just from what you see here at XDA. This is a geek community, afterall. We're the minority.
That said, everybody has their own reasons for rooting. I personally, just wanted to mute the camera sounds and use MarketEnabler.
People also root to use custom ROMs (as I do). Are custom ROMs better than stock? Perhaps. Do you absolutely need a custom ROM if you find the stock ROM just fine? Probably not.
As for choosing mods, kernals, ROMs, etc...no one can answer that for you. You'll need to pick and choose based on your needs...
I think every phone is worth rooting so you can delete those stupid apps that run in the background, delete those apps that your carrier might have put on there.
Oh and double your battery life. Not to mention cool themes. The guys making these roms tweak the **** out of the Samsung stuff to make it even better.
Plus you get that feeling of superiority when you use it-ok maybe not but whatever.
If you don't need root then don't do it. Don't bother try fix what isn't broken.
How do you decide which rom to choose from when there are so many out there? All of the descriptions seem the same to me (more battery, faster, fewer apps from carriers etc...). Is there really any difference?
Only way to find out is by trying them
Each to their own.
I like hyperdroid by the way.
If you need to ask this question, you will not need root or flash a rom. You should read a lot about the benefits and disadvantages of rooting and flashing. But at this point, you are not ready to begin messing with your phone. See this as an advice to save you lot's of trouble.
jbarol said:
How do you decide which rom to choose from when there are so many out there? All of the descriptions seem the same to me (more battery, faster, fewer apps from carriers etc...). Is there really any difference?
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Try the simple roms with less bull**** first .
Selection should be what is taken off this rom that i require and can i put it back followed by do i want what's been added and then do i like the theme .
Ignore the faster smoother better battery life bits .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1317250&highlight=HyperDynamic+V+1.0
above customized is what i use until ICS
jje
Rooting isn't the same as flashing a custom ROM or kernel. I use the stock Samsung firmware on my SGS2 but have it rooted. This allowed me to run certain apps that require elevated access rights, such as Titanium Backup.
If you don't need to root it, don't do it.

whats better in custom rom from stock rom?

hey people whats up!!!
latelly i root my s3 and put custom rom,but when i had the stock rom i remember that it was smooth and fast.
so my question is what stuff you like lots more in the custom rom more then in the stock rom
now i have custom rom but it works same like the stock i cant remember somthing diffrent ,the op write lots change but i dont notice this in everyday use
can you tell me your opinion?
thxxxx
I have been playing around with the custom roms, but found that they were a little buggier than stock and most of the additions in them are available in stock anyway.
Foxhound Rising was my favourite, awesome black theme, and smooth and fast, but as it had no other advantages over stock, I have since put my phone completely back to stock and it's just as good.
All in all I think the custom roms for SGS3 are awesome and almost work perfectly so either way you'd be happy, for me personally, stock is good enough.
Sending out a hell yeah for the SGS3 Devs and their awesome work on this phone
I think it all depends on what features you want to be honest as I think they are both as quick as each other
Well... they do come with handy tweaks.
And many tweaks require deodexed roms so you would have to flash a new rom anyway. Might as well.
Some have cool themes or gives you vanilla ics experience (CM9/AOKP/AOSP).
But currently performance and feature wise... Not much at the moment.
One expects a six month old phone to have faster custom roms than stock but not after a month .
The other factor is that you can start to build the fastest rom on the planet and your thread will be flooded with i want themes i want this i want that posts . So many users want just a pretty rom and seem not to care about much else .
jje

[Q] Im new..

Hey guys. Im not trying to be that guy that bothers everyone Im just looking for a few simple answers and tips. I have always had iphones, I just switched to a S3 due to apple lack of changes. I have been debating on rooting in order to get the super necxus project rom(you can youtube it) What im looking for is good reason on why I should root my s3 and why I shouldnt. I know if I do it will void warrenty ect, That does not bother me. What iam worried about is the phone slowing down, Losing battery life, crashing, and bricking. And lastly whats nightly version mean?
Thanks guys.
BraeA said:
Hey guys. Im not trying to be that guy that bothers everyone Im just looking for a few simple answers and tips. I have always had iphones, I just switched to a S3 due to apple lack of changes. I have been debating on rooting in order to get the super necxus project rom(you can youtube it) What im looking for is good reason on why I should root my s3 and why I shouldnt. I know if I do it will void warrenty ect, That does not bother me. What iam worried about is the phone slowing down, Losing battery life, crashing, and bricking. And lastly whats nightly version mean?
Thanks guys.
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First of all welcome to the forums and we'll done for leaving Apple lol.
Nightly is a term given for a Rom that is released every night.mostly new mods and tweaks to improve or intend to improve on from the last nightly.these are seen as betas and every now and again a stable or milestone version will be released.
There is no real reason why you should root. It's whether you want to benefit from having full system control or not that you would do it. It's up to you.
Flashing roms such as super nexus does have its downside as it's built from open source. As Samsung do not release all of their sources some parts are taken from the open source project. This means they do not always take full advantage of the hardware. An example of this is the camera in aosp/aokp/cm roms is not as good as the stock camera in touch wiz roms.
Battery life is also reported to be better in stock Roms than on aokp/aosp/cm and from personal experience I'd have to agree.
Hope this helps a little.
There is a lot that can be done when rooted but if you're not fussed about messing with the system then dont do it.
Drew
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and questions go to the questions section
Glebun said:
and questions go to the questions section
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And I missed that fundamental point lol
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BraeA said:
Hey guys. Im not trying to be that guy that bothers everyone Im just looking for a few simple answers and tips. I have always had iphones, I just switched to a S3 due to apple lack of changes. I have been debating on rooting in order to get the super necxus project rom(you can youtube it) What im looking for is good reason on why I should root my s3 and why I shouldnt. I know if I do it will void warrenty ect, That does not bother me. What iam worried about is the phone slowing down, Losing battery life, crashing, and bricking. And lastly whats nightly version mean?
Thanks guys.
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Rooting on it's own will not brick, slow down or loose battery life etc, it's what you do with the phone after you root that can do this, things like overclocking will affect battery, undervolting and underclocking will affect performance, but what you can do after rooting is things like use faster fix to slightly increase gps fix time, you can block ads, you can modify any system file etc etc, you can essentially do anything.
Latest Nightly is a term used for the latest version of CyanogenMod, which is an aftermarket firmware (custom ROM) new versions are built on their servers every night hence the name Nightly.
drew071 said:
First of all welcome to the forums and we'll done for leaving Apple lol.
Nightly is a term given for a Rom that is released every night.mostly new mods and tweaks to improve or intend to improve on from the last nightly.these are seen as betas and every now and again a stable or milestone version will be released.
There is no real reason why you should root. It's whether you want to benefit from having full system control or not that you would do it. It's up to you.
Flashing roms such as super nexus does have its downside as it's built from open source. As Samsung do not release all of their sources some parts are taken from the open source project. This means they do not always take full advantage of the hardware. An example of this is the camera in aosp/aokp/cm roms is not as good as the stock camera in touch wiz roms.
Battery life is also reported to be better in stock Roms than on aokp/aosp/cm and from personal experience I'd have to agree.
Hope this helps a little.
There is a lot that can be done when rooted but if you're not fussed about messing with the system then dont do it.
Drew
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Tank you Drew, The CM10.1, How smooth is that compared to the stock os on my s3?
Aosp looks considerably better than the stock firmwares also known as TouchWiz (Samsung's ghastly user interface)
But aosp-based roms for this phone sucks plain abs simple because Samsung doesn't hand out the source code for their SoC (System on a chip)
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BraeA said:
Tank you Drew, The CM10.1, How smooth is that compared to the stock os on my s3?
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CM10.1 is very smooth and in my opinion even smoother compared to Stock TouchWiz. Just flash it and if you for some reason don`t like it, you can always go back to a Stock TouchWiz ROM. There are plenty to choose from here at XDA. Oh and don`t ask what`s the best ROM around here, just try them out yourself
Oh and if you deside to Root and to flash a ROM on your device then read every little detail on how to do it. I`ve seen plenty of cases here, where people screwed up their devices because they flashed wrong stuff on their phone.
BraeA said:
Tank you Drew, The CM10.1, How smooth is that compared to the stock os on my s3?
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Its considerably smoother! If CM10.1 is hot butter, then TouchWiz is cold syrup.
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BraeA said:
Tank you Drew, The CM10.1, How smooth is that compared to the stock os on my s3?
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Theshawty said:
Aosp looks considerably better than the stock firmwares also known as TouchWiz (Samsung's ghastly user interface)
But aosp-based roms for this phone sucks plain abs simple because Samsung doesn't hand out the source code for their SoC (System on a chip)
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It is smooth but as theshawty had pointed out it's not as good as it could be due to Sammy.
If you want a mix of both worlds you would do better looking for a stable stock based Rom and then theming it to suit. There isn't much to gain from flashing cm atm. If you want the launcher just download nova, apex or halo as these are the same as stock Google launcher used in cm builds.
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Rooting itself does not do much difference unless you flash roms. I suggest you try Cyanogenmod, AOKP for starters. Then you can go with others like RootBox, PAC man ROm or ParanoidKangdroid which for me are the best there are. Other ROMs like Carbon and Liquidsmooth are pretty good too.
I suggest you download Goomanager first and browse between compatible Roms. Also learn how to do Nandroid backups and regular. Trust me, you're gonna need them.
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As mentioned in previous posts cyanogen based roms FOR S3 in my opinion are not as smooth as expected. If u install a custom samsung based rom and a good kernel, i find that they are as smooth or sometimes smoother than cyanogen. Also the latest full stock samsung roms and kernels are really smooth and battery friendly.
As u dont have an issue in rooting. u should try all roms n decide.
And rooting does have many benefits. Especially the audio mods will completely change the audio quality of your phone. ACID with boeffla sound control is amazing. Get good quality earphones also to experience this.

Most stock ROM for D800?

Not really liking the features list on most of the custom ROMs and my phone is coming in a couple days. I see a lot of useless features added that appear to be the personal preference of the ROM creator.
Looking at reviews of the phone I'd much rather keep this phone close to stock than my crap Note II.
Is my best option to root stock, or are there some very slightly modified stock-based ROMs?
You mean aosp? Stock generally refers to the phone as it was shipped. So why not CM, it isn't far from aosp.
I don't know if the terminology here is different or what but on other devices stock modified is when someone takes the stock ROM and either modifies it at a basic level to improve performance and battery life, or takes it and makes a new ROM based off of it which is pretty different.
TheNetwork said:
I don't know if the terminology here is different or what but on other devices stock modified is when someone takes the stock ROM and either modifies it at a basic level to improve performance and battery life, or takes it and makes a new ROM based off of it which is pretty different.
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Your looking for something like cleanrom, but that guy jumped ship a while ago. XE 2.0 seems to be your only hope, until kitkat comes out then hope for a new ROM Dev.
Root and debloat.
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TheNetwork said:
I don't know if the terminology here is different or what but on other devices stock modified is when someone takes the stock ROM and either modifies it at a basic level to improve performance and battery life, or takes it and makes a new ROM based off of it which is pretty different.
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D800 here also. Can't say I have seen any stock rom worth bothering with. I was hoping for a deodexed stock rom, but I don't recall seeing any. I adjust my stock phone to my liking with xposed framework, G2 module and a couple other such as advanced power menu.
TheNetwork said:
Not really liking the features list on most of the custom ROMs and my phone is coming in a couple days. I see a lot of useless features added that appear to be the personal preference of the ROM creator.
Looking at reviews of the phone I'd much rather keep this phone close to stock than my crap Note II.
Is my best option to root stock, or are there some very slightly modified stock-based ROMs?
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OP we are not going there....you see a lot of "useless" features in the ROMs, from the Dev's because it is their ROM they are providing freely to the Community. Now I know you did not mean that, in being ungrateful, but statements like this bring unneeded attention.
But there is nothing wrong with Stock with root....so if that is what you need or desire then so be it.
And to keep the trolling/unneeded posting, Thread Closed.
Merry Christmas.

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