I tried looking around, but a lot of the posts were from mid/late 2011 about this.
Currently my EVO 3D is still on stock Gingerbread.
I tried to lookup a stock ICS rom, but almost all of them are custom roms based on the stock rom. Basically, ATM all I want to do is upgrade to a rooted version of the sprint ICS rom, not install a completely custom rom. Also, I have heard that with the official rom you can upgrade without losing any information. Is it possible to do that with ANY of the custom roms or would they all require me to backup my data because it will have to reformat my phone? ATM I am not looking for a custom rom and really, just want to be able to upgrade to the stock ICS while still having root purely so I can delete all those annoying preinstalled apps.
Will backing up data from a gingerbread rom and then restoring it to a ICS rom cause any problems?
And I have no idea how to go about doing it, I know I should at first use the temp root just to backup my information.... but I am lost on the whole S-OFF and flashing from past that point thing.
Cyber Akuma said:
I tried looking around, but a lot of the posts were from mid/late 2011 about this.
Currently my EVO 3D is still on stock Gingerbread.
I tried to lookup a stock ICS rom, but almost all of them are custom roms based on the stock rom. Basically, ATM all I want to do is upgrade to a rooted version of the sprint ICS rom, not install a completely custom rom. Also, I have heard that with the official rom you can upgrade without losing any information. Is it possible to do that with ANY of the custom roms or would they all require me to backup my data because it will have to reformat my phone? ATM I am not looking for a custom rom and really, just want to be able to upgrade to the stock ICS while still having root purely so I can delete all those annoying preinstalled apps.
Will backing up data from a gingerbread rom and then restoring it to a ICS rom cause any problems?
And I have no idea how to go about doing it, I know I should at first use the temp root just to backup my information.... but I am lost on the whole S-OFF and flashing from past that point thing.
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Virus has a thread with the stock rooted rom in the development form. As for restoring apps, you shouldn't have a problem, if you do clear caches and reboot
Sent from my EVO 3DMA with a little "Common Sense"
Thanks for the help
I'm guessing thats this one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808150
So, he mentioned I won't loose root if I am dev unlocked? What about if I use a 3rd party unlock method? I remember reading that HTC's unlock method still leaves some aspects unlocked while the 3rd party methods can fully unlock the device.
And can anyone help me with the other questions I asked?
Thanks
Cyber Akuma said:
Thanks for the help
I'm guessing thats this one?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808150
So, he mentioned I won't loose root if I am dev unlocked? What about if I use a 3rd party unlock method? I remember reading that HTC's unlock method still leaves some aspects unlocked while the 3rd party methods can fully unlock the device.
And can anyone help me with the other questions I asked?
Thanks
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The HTC method will leave you with unlocked, s-on. That is what some folks seem to to refer to as the partially still locked issue.
I would just use the HTC method, and then use the wire trick method to get s-off. Then you are unlocked and have control of what ever you want to do.
When it comes to the roms, you need to do a little research and make sure you have compatible components. If you upgrade to the latest H-boot, then certain roms will no longer run. Personally I am running the cool rom as of last night, but have been on mean rom for the last couple of weeks. I have been using the "other kernel" with hboot 1.58 and things have been pretty good.
The meanrom 2.6 is a good choice for you in my opinion as it will give you root access with as close to stock as you can get. It has the kernel and new hboot instructions in it also so I would consider it a good fit for what you are looking for. I do not believe you can overclock the kernel it comes with, but you did not request that.
As to backing up your data. Everyone will have their preferred program or method. I have purchased the rom tool box pro edition from market, I use it to back up apps and data. Regardless of what you use, be careful when restoring the backups. I restore data like wifi, messages, contacts. I do not restore the system data, especially if I am changing between roms as it is much easier to type in a little data than to figure out why the thing is unstable.
It just takes a bit of research, but all the information you need is available.
Have a good weekend.
sonza said:
The HTC method will leave you with unlocked, s-on. That is what some folks seem to to refer to as the partially still locked issue.
I would just use the HTC method, and then use the wire trick method to get s-off. Then you are unlocked and have control of what ever you want to do.
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But dosen't the HTC method force me to reformat my memory, thus requiring me to do the temporary root so I can run titanium backup before doing it?
On a related note, I am not sure just how I would restore my apps actually. I mean, the first thing my phone would ask me to do is to sign into my Gmail account, and when I do that, it will automatically attempt to re-download all of my apps wouldn't it? (And fail spectacularly since I don't have enough space, nearly all of my apps are on my SD card and my internal memory is still full, lousy preinstalled bloatware that you cannot remove...)
sonza said:
When it comes to the roms, you need to do a little research and make sure you have compatible components. If you upgrade to the latest H-boot, then certain roms will no longer run. Personally I am running the cool rom as of last night, but have been on mean rom for the last couple of weeks. I have been using the "other kernel" with hboot 1.58 and things have been pretty good.
It just takes a bit of research, but all the information you need is available.
Have a good weekend.
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Like I said, I just want a rooted stock rom for now, not a custom rom.
Cyber Akuma (is that a reference to "D.Gray.Man?)
Shameless self promoting here but, for some background info have a look at:
[Guide]My Hboot 1.5x HTC Unlock/recovery/rom/kernel flashing notes
Evo3d(CDMA)HBoot/S-off Differences & Rooting Background Info
I've been using MeanRom ICS since it came out. Very solid, very similar to stock, smooth, reliable, fast, but all the extras. S-Off is strongly recommended b/c HTC Unlocked (S-on) users are hit or miss on being able to install ICS Roms. If you are still on Hboot 1.50 you can get s-off by downgrading Hboot to 1.40 or the Jbear wire Trick. If you take the official ICS update Jbear is your only option at the moment.
You may be able to use EsFileExplorer to back up your user apps w/o rooting, but an option to consider is to HTC Unlock, install a recovery, flash SuperUser and have a full rooted stock (S-On) phone that you can backup with Ti Backup or the custom recovery (don't think you will lose anything in the process).
With HTC Unlock, you wont be able to update to ICS while rooted, you'd have to relock and flash the full RUU (erasing the phone) and unlock/root again.
Upgrading to ICS, you should be able to restore your user apps, but system settings/google accounts (especially GB backups) etc will cause issues so you will most likely need to just bite the bullet and plan on re-entering things the first time through. FYI, Virus's update thread only works for S-off users.
Wait, if I do S-OFF and then use an official rom, would I be stuck with S-ON again?
Cyber Akuma said:
Wait, if I do S-OFF and then use an official rom, would I be stuck with S-ON again?
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Not if it's a rooted version of the rom found in the Dev section.
Cyber Akuma said:
Wait, if I do S-OFF and then use an official rom, would I be stuck with S-ON again?
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Once s-Off, always s-Off. (unless u send the command via fastboot)
S-Off trumps unlocked bootloader (htc unlocked)
Running a full stock Ruu will not reset to S-on
Sent from my "Up all night, Sleep all day" EVO3D!
But when you htc unlock yes it will format the device, so temp root, titanium backup, htc unlock, jbear, then custom recovery and finally flash stock rooted....
Good luck its all not too complicated. Just allot of steps
J.eremy said:
But when you htc unlock yes it will format the device, so temp root, titanium backup, htc unlock, jbear, then custom recovery and finally flash stock rooted....
Good luck its all not too complicated. Just allot of steps
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A word of warning about temp rooting: it caused my phone to bootloop so I personally was unable to save my data. Hopefully you'll have better luck.
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Almost a month ago I bought an HTC Evo 3D (My first android phone) and I want to root it but I have a few questions before I do so.
1. Do I have to back up everything on my phone before I actually root the phone? I know it's always a good idea to back up before doing things like this but I really want to know is in the process of rooting my phone will I lose everything (Contacts or anything that's not on my SD card)?
2. What ROM should I use keeping in mind I want to retain the 3d functionality of my phone? Alls I really want right now is a ROM without CIQ but still has HTC Sense3.0.
Please note I have researched this online and came across a few articles on how to actually do the rooting (here and here). I am thinking I don't want to use HTC's method of unlocking the bootloader.
My phone's info:
Carrier: Sprint
Phone: HTC Evo 3D (duh)
Hboot version: 1.5
trm96 said:
Almost a month ago I bought an HTC Evo 3D (My first android phone) and I want to root it but I have a few questions before I do so.
1. Do I have to back up everything on my phone before I actually root the phone? I know it's always a good idea to back up before doing things like this but I really want to know is in the process of rooting my phone will I lose everything (Contacts or anything that's not on my SD card)?
2. What ROM should I use keeping in mind I want to retain the 3d functionality of my phone? Alls I really want right now is a ROM without CIQ but still has HTC Sense3.0.
Please note I have researched this online and came across a few articles on how to actually do the rooting (here and here). I am thinking I don't want to use HTC's method of unlocking the bootloader.
My phone's info:
Carrier: Sprint
Phone: HTC Evo 3D (duh)
Hboot version: 1.5
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Well if your Hboot 1.5 then your stuck with HTC dev method nothing you can do about it unless you wanna wait a year for another method.
I never backed any of my stuff up since after you root no point in it. If you wanna unroot you need to have the stock recovery zip which is easy also the stock PC86IMG.ZIP and fastboot oem lock and your unrooted
Not hard to do....
There is really no need to backup all of your stuff to root, as you will not lose anything. I recently rooted my 3d which is hboot 1.5 using the htc dev method, (which as said is the only method currently for hboot) and found it rather easy to follow. Although this doesnt give you the highly sought after "s-off" but it does give you complete root access to your phone, the ability to use apps that require root access and install custom roms/kernels Definitely install a custom recovery and go ahead and do a nandroid backup there, that will backup your entire phone. MAKE SURE you do that before flashing any custom roms/kernels.
As for suggesting a rom I can't really suggest one right now. I have only been researching/using evo3d roms for a few weeks now and to keep functionality the only way is to stay with a sense rom, as most aosp roms are not quite there in terms of wifi/4g/camera/3d capabilities etc. There are plenty of sense roms out there with removed bloatware, and custom themes. Just browse the appropriate development subtopic for your carrier and check out some of the threads listed, most of the devs will be there to answer any questions you may have. But just check a few out, and if you dont like them, no biggie just restore or move on to a different rom. happy rooting.
1. Do I have to back up everything on my phone before I actually root the phone? I know it's always a good idea to back up before doing things like this but I really want to know is in the process of rooting my phone will I lose everything (Contacts or anything that's not on my SD card)?
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If you are on hboot 1.5, the htcdev method WILL factory reset your phone, meaning you will lose everything. So only you can answer that question, if you dont want to backup your data, are you ok with losing everything?
2. What ROM should I use keeping in mind I want to retain the 3d functionality of my phone? Alls I really want right now is a ROM without CIQ but still has HTC Sense3.0.
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As you are new here, you might not know that you don't have to flash a rom when rooting. You can just stay on the stock rom if you want to, and enjoy the benefits of being rooted while on the stock rom. But if you want to flash a rom without CIQ, most of the roms in the dev section already removed it, and the ones with sense 3.0 are labeled so in the titles. As to which one, well that's the beauty of rooting, there is no "best rom" for anyone. Just make a backup of your current rom, and flash a new one. If you dont like it, restore your backup.
I am thinking I don't want to use HTC's method of unlocking the bootloader.
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Well there is no other way of rooting hboot 1.5.
Just do it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1239821
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1447839
Sent from my HTC EVO 3D via XDA Premium
Thank you
I want to thank all of you for your quick and meaningful responses!
i'm not sure how to root on hboot 1.5(if thats what you have) or how to flash with it. but personally, i like using mikrunney v1.06 as my daily rom. everything functions correctly (except 4g i think) but that's not big deal.
and with backing up, everyone else answered that already
jsmitty90 said:
i'm not sure how to root on hboot 1.5(if thats what you have) or how to flash with it. but personally, i like using mikrunney v1.06 as my daily rom. everything functions correctly (except 4g i think) but that's not big deal.
and with backing up, everyone else answered that already
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Thanks for the info, yes my hboot is indeed 1.5.
Hello all, I've been a long time lurker around here, and I first want to thank all the devs for all their hard work in making this such a great device. In anticipation of a fully working ICS build in the near future, is there anything I need to do before flashing an ICS ROM? I'm currently running CM7 with HBOOT 0.57 with S-On. Do I need to get S-off in order to flash ICS, or can I just flash it as I would any new Gingerbread ROM? Also, what other, if any, benefit is there to obtaining S-off?
you are using CM7 but with S-On? i thought before rooting the phone, we need to s-off the first?
lokodoe said:
you are using CM7 but with S-On? i thought before rooting the phone, we need to s-off the first?
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Rooting does not require to remove security (s-off).
S-off allows you to flash recoveries, hboots, radios via fastboot, which I think is classed as being safer than via recovery.
It also allows you write access to system while android is booted.
lokodoe said:
you are using CM7 but with S-On? i thought before rooting the phone, we need to s-off the first?
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I originally had the old version of Froyo (or was it Eclair?) that came with the phone. This was before an update that made S-on prevent the installation of CWM. Back then, I was able to use the Unrevoked method to root and install clockwork recovery. I can't remember all the details, but needless to say, S-on with HBOOT 0.57 back then did not prevent root, CWM, or the flashing of ROMs, and possibly kernels. I've flashed new CM7 ROMs up to one that was stable and after the gps was fixed, so everything works fine. I believe I'm running CM nightly 184.
This is why I'm wondering if the installation process if different for CM9 than for CM7. I don't know if S-On will interfere with the new version of android.
Edit: Here is the thread for unrevoked that I followed way back when. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788737
DanGeorges said:
Rooting does not require to remove security (s-off).
S-off allows you to flash recoveries, hboots, radios via fastboot, which I think is classed as being safer than via recovery.
It also allows you write access to system while android is booted.
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Sorry for my noobishness, but does this mean I can still flash an ICS ROM through my usual way in recovery? I remember reading somewhere that the flashing process for ICS is slightly different than Gingerbread ROMs. Also, I don't really care about being able to write to the system directory unless that has some advantage that I am unaware of.
Goodbye_Alltel said:
Sorry for my noobishness, but does this mean I can still flash an ICS ROM through my usual way in recovery? I remember reading somewhere that the flashing process for ICS is slightly different than Gingerbread ROMs. Also, I don't really care about being able to write to the system directory unless that has some advantage that I am unaware of.
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Yes - you should be able to flash ICS without s-off.
DanGeorges said:
Yes - you should be able to flash ICS without s-off.
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Alright. Thanks for clearing that up. I'll of course be sure to make a full backup and wipe everything before flashing ICS (I'm holding out until gps and camera are fixed because I use both quite freqently).
Forgive me for starting a new thread; I've utilized the search here and some Google-fu, but still have questions for the community.
I recently upgraded to an HTC Rezound from a Thunderbolt, and have accepted the stock OTA ICS update last weekend.
This has not stopped me from Rooting the device, however. Using an All-In-One Toolkit downloaded here, I was able to Unlock the Bootloader, Install custom Recovery (ClockWorkMod Touch), and have SU flashed. All signs point to root, but I would like to know a few things.
- Is there currently any method of acquiring S-OFF, other than the juopunutBear "Wire Trick"? It sounds incredibly risky, and I feel a bit hesitant to try it connecting pins on the back of my phone with insulated wire... I would like to have S-OFF, in case I want to roll back using a PH98IMG.zip
After rooting, I noticed that the text ****TAMPERED**** appears above the UNLOCKED line when I power on into HBOOT. Is this normal? Or have I messed things up? The best answer I have gleaned so far is from another device's forum, and that this simply indicates that I have root.
Would love to hear some feedback. This is my 5th Smartphone starting with the G1, and I have rooted every single one within days. Only the Rezound seems to be the trickiest for me.
Let me know your thoughts, thanks.
The hboot says tampered after you install a custom recovery so that's normal. I was the same way about s-off it seemed to risky and complicated but in all honesty it is very simple. It's our only way to get s-off and the main thing is getting the timing right for the wire trick. I got it on my second try. I would say just read up on it and gain as much info until you feel comfortable to do it.
Sent From My HTC Rezound
big_mike_2k6 said:
The hboot says tampered after you install a custom recovery so that's normal. I was the same way about s-off it seemed to risky and complicated but in all honesty it is very simple. It's our only way to get s-off and the main thing is getting the timing right for the wire trick. I got it on my second try. I would say just read up on it and gain as much info until you feel comfortable to do it.
Sent From My HTC Rezound
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Thanks, that confirms a number of suspicions. & As I understand it, I need to be S-OFF in order to flash a custom ROM, correct?
And this is due to the fact that I not only have to flash the ROM in recovery, but also flash a Kernel through HBOOT?
I want to start flashing custom ROMs, but in the meantime, I'm fairly happy with rooted ICS. Got Google Now working, removed 'App Associations' menu, and removed the VZW crapware, so root is working out rather well
deadsoulboy said:
Thanks, that confirms a number of suspicions. & As I understand it, I need to be S-OFF in order to flash a custom ROM, correct?
And this is due to the fact that I not only have to flash the ROM in recovery, but also flash a Kernel through HBOOT?
I want to start flashing custom ROMs, but in the meantime, I'm fairly happy with rooted ICS. Got Google Now working, removed 'App Associations' menu, and removed the VZW crapware, so root is working out rather well
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You don't need to be s-off to flash a Rom but you do need to flash the kernel separate in hboot when you're s-on. When you're s-off you don't have to. I myself usually stay fairly close to stock with a few tweaks here and there and of course Verizons crap long gone.
Sent From My HTC Rezound
One more thing... Given my software version, etc, if I S-OFF now, would I bork my device?
Also, it looks like at the unlimited.io site, there is only a Windows version of juopunutbear for Gingerbread, and early ICS versions. My phone's software is on version is 3.14.605.12; does this mean I should abandon attempting to S-OFF ?
deadsoulboy said:
One more thing... Given my software version, etc, if I S-OFF now, would I bork my device?
Also, it looks like at the unlimited.io site, there is only a Windows version of juopunutbear for Gingerbread, and early ICS versions. My phone's software is on version is 3.14.605.12; does this mean I should abandon attempting to S-OFF ?
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No you'll be fine doing it on your current version. You can use the file from the unlimited.io site for the 3.14.605.05 ics leak it works with the official ics update.
Sent From My HTC Rezound
i know clockwork will bork your device im not sure if the touch version does the same thing.
I recommend installing Amon Ra recovery or TWRP.
If i helped thanks me
Hi all! This is my first post and hope it's not too silly of a question. I am currently using a Thunderbolt but very likely will be upgrading to a Rezound (I have both phones now). I know the ICS OTA is out for Rezound. I want to get root and S-off on Rezound running the stock ICS OTA, but I am not sure about the order of events.
1. Should I get S-off and root on the stock Gingerbread rom per the instructions in this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1823362), and then upgrade to the ICS OTA? Or should I upgrade the stock Gingerbread to ICS OTA and then attempt to get S-off and root?
2. Is a confirmed s-off/root procedure out for the stock ICS OTA? sorry if I missed it - I promise I did my best searching through the forum before posting
I thought I'd start with the stock ICS OTA rom so I'll get a baseline for when I try out other roms down the road. And from what I've read here, the stock rom is probably a little bit more robust for day to day (correct me if I am wrong!). I hate the verizon bloatware and I think I'd be happy for a while if I can have S-off and root on the stock ICS.
thanks in advance for any help!
from scratch
Hiya, You're getting ready to become addicted to roms, by the way.
All your choices are kind of 'what do you want' things, but assuming you
receive it with stock Gingerbread, easiest thing would be to:
1 unlock by way of HTC Development instructions - lots of info here on xda
2 flash Cleanrom 175 a gingerbread stockish rooted rom
3 do the S-0ff thing with Juopunutbear, being careful not to amend or skip
any instructions in the S-0ff recipe (critical).
4 now your phone is s-0ff and locked. leave it just that way: no unlocks ever needed again and no pink warnings
5 flash Android police newest ICS RUU
6 flash amon ra as a PBIMG in recovery
7 use amon ra to wipe and install ANYTHING you want
haha Yeah roms are pretty addictive! So my background in rooting is limited to the Thunderbolt, which is my first smartphone. I used the Revolutionary IO method, which got me S-Off and root. But after reading through the Juopunutbear (Unlimited IO), I am slightly confused. I definitely did not do the wiring procedures involving the antennae contacts to get S-Off with the thunderbolt. I did more research and it sounds like the S-Off in thunderbolt is a "fake" S-off from a patched hboot?
That also leads to my next questions... up until now, I thought the following:
1. hboot = bootloader, which is the "BIOS" of the phone
2. In order to be rooted, S-off must happen first (this I guess is not true from your steps)
3. Recovery = part of hboot (from what I've read so far, this is incorrect too)
Also, would you elaborate on step #4? I thought unlocked is what I want, but instead I really want to have S-off and locked bootloader?
Thanks!
michaelbsheldon said:
Hiya, You're getting ready to become addicted to roms, by the way.
All your choices are kind of 'what do you want' things, but assuming you
receive it with stock Gingerbread, easiest thing would be to:
1 unlock by way of HTC Development instructions - lots of info here on xda
2 flash Cleanrom 175 a gingerbread stockish rooted rom
3 do the S-0ff thing with Juopunutbear, being careful not to amend or skip
any instructions in the S-0ff recipe (critical).
4 now your phone is s-0ff and locked. leave it just that way: no unlocks ever needed again and no pink warnings
5 flash Android police newest ICS RUU
6 flash amon ra as a PBIMG in recovery
7 use amon ra to wipe and install ANYTHING you want
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yep
yo!
hboot is bootloader alright: some folks like a modified hboot which lets you do more than stock hboot.
personally I keep the stock ICS hboot 2.25.
nope, you dont have to be s-0ff to be rooted, only unlocked.
You can do most all modifications with unlock EXCEPT go back to previous hboot & rom.
Recovery is separate from hboot. Recovery is a menu choice in hboot.
A new recovery can only be installed if unlocked or s-0ff.
There's ClockworkMod and AmonRa. You'll wanna check them out both, I like Amon Ra.
re: step #4.
I know it's counterintuitive, but if you unlock it again after s-0ff, even though it's s-0ff, you will
have a nasty PINK Tampered flag every time you boot to hboot/custom recovery. And that crappy reminder stays
even after you you relock. The Juopunutbear process relocks the phone, making it S-0ff, Locked. Perfect.
Now with S-0ff, locked or unlocked doesn't matter regarding any roms or radios you may install and No warning flags.
Dont be intimidated by the wire procedure for s-0ff, just read it so many times beforehand that you effen KNOW it.
Enjoy: my Zound is so fast cool and perfect now that ive customized it to my useage pattern - hoping for
same experience for you!.
dashbored said:
Hi all! This is my first post and hope it's not too silly of a question. I am currently using a Thunderbolt but very likely will be upgrading to a Rezound (I have both phones now). I know the ICS OTA is out for Rezound. I want to get root and S-off on Rezound running the stock ICS OTA, but I am not sure about the order of events.
1. Should I get S-off and root on the stock Gingerbread rom per the instructions in this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1823362), and then upgrade to the ICS OTA? Or should I upgrade the stock Gingerbread to ICS OTA and then attempt to get S-off and root?
2. Is a confirmed s-off/root procedure out for the stock ICS OTA? sorry if I missed it - I promise I did my best searching through the forum before posting
I thought I'd start with the stock ICS OTA rom so I'll get a baseline for when I try out other roms down the road. And from what I've read here, the stock rom is probably a little bit more robust for day to day (correct me if I am wrong!). I hate the verizon bloatware and I think I'd be happy for a while if I can have S-off and root on the stock ICS.
thanks in advance for any help!
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I basically had the exact same questions. Here's what I figured out:
S-Off, then Stock Recovery, then ICS OTA:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1821303
After post #6, go to the next link...
... Then flash AR Recovery 3.15:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1827263
I had to unlock my hboot again, which means I wiped my data... However, I've read that adding a custom hboot is very risky, since your phone can't run anything if this gets screwed up. I'm no expert, but this is what I've read. So re-unlocking felt safer to me, even if it was probably a little more hassle. Better than bricking, imo.
A word of caution about custom recovery: Clockwork Mod (CWM) has a serious bug that does not allow the Rezound to charge properly! When my battery died, I had to use my wife's Thunderbolt to charge the battery before I could turn my Rezound back on... A royal pain. I installed AR Recovery, and it's perfect.
... Then continue at the first link at post #7 for how to use AR Recovery to flash superSU to restore root.
I'm thinking about writing up a simple guide, since that was the hardest thing for me to find through this process.
Rezound
AR Recovery 3.15
Stock hboot
ICS OTA
Rooted
I sold the Thunderbolt today and so now I've officially transitioned over to the Rezound! The phone is the stock gingerbread. I am dying to root it if only just so I can use titanium back up to transfer my crap over.
Thanks guys for the helpful replies! I've decided that right now, what I want is to be on the ICS OTA but with S-off & root so I can remove the bloat and optimize it. I'll stay with that for a bit to get a baseline before trying out different ROMs
What kind of wires did you guys use for the S-off procedure? Do I need to go out and buy something specific, or is there something around the typical household setting that I can grab? Obviously, not frying the phone is top priority. I've read through too much posts in the past 48 hours and I've come across a few that mentioned fried USB ports and even dead phones that had to be returned, which's made me a bit tentative. But I want S-off, so any pointers/comments you may have that would help about this would be much appreciated!
michaelbsheldon - question about your steps #1 & #2. Aren't these extraneous steps, as in you could just do the S-off wire with the stock Gingerbread? I am kinda confused as to the purpose of unlocking it first via HTC Dev and flashing a stockish ROM before the wire trick.
bloodymurderlive said:
I basically had the exact same questions. Here's what I figured out:
S-Off, then Stock Recovery, then ICS OTA:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1821303
After post #6, go to the next link...
... Then flash AR Recovery 3.15:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1827263
I had to unlock my hboot again, which means I wiped my data... However, I've read that adding a custom hboot is very risky, since your phone can't run anything if this gets screwed up. I'm no expert, but this is what I've read. So re-unlocking felt safer to me, even if it was probably a little more hassle. Better than bricking, imo.
A word of caution about custom recovery: Clockwork Mod (CWM) has a serious bug that does not allow the Rezound to charge properly! When my battery died, I had to use my wife's Thunderbolt to charge the battery before I could turn my Rezound back on... A royal pain. I installed AR Recovery, and it's perfect.
... Then continue at the first link at post #7 for how to use AR Recovery to flash superSU to restore root.
I'm thinking about writing up a simple guide, since that was the hardest thing for me to find through this process.
Rezound
AR Recovery 3.15
Stock hboot
ICS OTA
Rooted
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Thanks for the tip about the CWM recovery! As I no longer have a thunderbolt, I would've been totally screwed. Question though - it sounds like you did what michaelbsheldon said not to do, re-unlock after you're S-off. Do you have the pink flag that he mentioned?
So here's my plan to get my Rezound into a S-off, rooted ICS OTA - please let me know if it's valid:
1a (waiting for michaelbsheldon reply if truly necessary, or if can proceed on stock GB) - HTC Dev unlock and flash Cleanrom 175
1. S-off wire procedure
2. Apply ICS OTA update
3. Apply global roaming update (if available? read about this in the past few days)
4. Since no need to unlock, flash appropriate Superuser for ICS OTA (will google, or if anyone would like to help make sure I find the right one, please feel free to link )
5. flash Amonra recovery. Keep stock hboot.
6. Install root explorer to delete VZ bloatware and titanium backup to restore apps and data from Thunderbolt
dashbored said:
Thanks for the tip about the CWM recovery! As I no longer have a thunderbolt, I would've been totally screwed. Question though - it sounds like you did what michaelbsheldon said not to do, re-unlock after you're S-off. Do you have the pink flag that he mentioned?
So here's my plan to get my Rezound into a S-off, rooted ICS OTA - please let me know if it's valid:
1a (waiting for michaelbsheldon reply if truly necessary, or if can proceed on stock GB) - HTC Dev unlock and flash Cleanrom 175
1. S-off wire procedure
2. Apply ICS OTA update
3. Apply global roaming update (if available? read about this in the past few days)
4. Since no need to unlock, flash appropriate Superuser for ICS OTA (will google, or if anyone would like to help make sure I find the right one, please feel free to link )
5. flash Amonra recovery. Keep stock hboot.
6. Install root explorer to delete VZ bloatware and titanium backup to restore apps and data from Thunderbolt
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I'm going to give you a response this afternooon... I recommend that you don't do anything until I can clarify some things. brt...
dashbored said:
Thanks for the tip about the CWM recovery! As I no longer have a thunderbolt, I would've been totally screwed. Question though - it sounds like you did what michaelbsheldon said not to do, re-unlock after you're S-off. Do you have the pink flag that he mentioned?
So here's my plan to get my Rezound into a S-off, rooted ICS OTA - please let me know if it's valid:
1a (waiting for michaelbsheldon reply if truly necessary, or if can proceed on stock GB) - HTC Dev unlock and flash Cleanrom 175
1. S-off wire procedure
2. Apply ICS OTA update
3. Apply global roaming update (if available? read about this in the past few days)
4. Since no need to unlock, flash appropriate Superuser for ICS OTA (will google, or if anyone would like to help make sure I find the right one, please feel free to link )
5. flash Amonra recovery. Keep stock hboot.
6. Install root explorer to delete VZ bloatware and titanium backup to restore apps and data from Thunderbolt
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It doesn't matter much if you do the OTA update before or after s-off. If it were me, I would do the OTA update first, especially if you are still locked....then unlock and do s-off using the proper ICS (for .5) jounuputbear. You can keep the stock hboot. NO NEED to unlock after s-off! AFter s-off, flash your Amonra recovery and then flash your SU...or just flash a rooted ROM. I haven't looked a lot, but I bet there is a stock, rooted, debloated ROM based on this OTA...just flash that and you'll be all set! ....
dashbored said:
Thanks for the tip about the CWM recovery! As I no longer have a thunderbolt, I would've been totally screwed. Question though - it sounds like you did what michaelbsheldon said not to do, re-unlock after you're S-off. Do you have the pink flag that he mentioned?
So here's my plan to get my Rezound into a S-off, rooted ICS OTA - please let me know if it's valid:
1a (waiting for michaelbsheldon reply if truly necessary, or if can proceed on stock GB) - HTC Dev unlock and flash Cleanrom 175
1. S-off wire procedure
2. Apply ICS OTA update
3. Apply global roaming update (if available? read about this in the past few days)
4. Since no need to unlock, flash appropriate Superuser for ICS OTA (will google, or if anyone would like to help make sure I find the right one, please feel free to link )
5. flash Amonra recovery. Keep stock hboot.
6. Install root explorer to delete VZ bloatware and titanium backup to restore apps and data from Thunderbolt
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dashbored... The thing you need to understand is that everyone has their own way of doing things. You need to either (a) study everything everyone says until you understand everything well enough to create your own process, or (b) follow somebody else's process. I will provide you with one below.
In regards to the latest comments...
Flash CleanROM?
I see very little point in flashing a ROM, if you're trying to get the official ICS, root, and S-OFF. I believe the purpose of flashing the ROM is that the ROM is already rooted for you. However, you will need to re-root after you install the OTA, so why not do the same process twice (flash superSU) rather than two different processes (flash ROM, flash superSU)? Seems to me that flashing CleanROM introduces more variables than necessary.
MOST IMPORTANTLY: Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I wouldn't try to install the OTA unless you are running stock Gingerbread. Alternatively, you could try to find a ROM based on the official ICS OTA, but the OTA is still very new... I would just do it the "proper" way (install through Gingerbread) and let those ROMs cook a little more before playing with them.
S-OFF before or after OTA?
I recommend achieving S-OFF before installing the OTA. The S-OFF procedure may very well work with the OTA, but it is guaranteed to work with stock Gingerbread. There is an ICS option in hansoon2000's all-in-one toolkit, but this is based on a leak... Which again is probably very similar (if not identical) to the OTA. But the official OTA is very new, so... In my opinion, the surest thing is to achieve S-OFF before installing the OTA.
Unlock after S-OFF?
My bootloader was locked after I installed the OTA update. What I discovered was that I was unable to flash any custom recoveries (AR Recovery 3.15). Even though I was S-OFF, I still needed to unlock before it would let me flash a recovery.
What I think some people do after achieving S-OFF is install a custom bootloader, and this is why they're able to install custom recoveries without having to unlock again. This is risky. As I understand it, nothing can run on your Rezound if your bootloader has a problem. So if you happen to install a corrupt bootloader, you could brick your Rezound.
It is kind of a pain to go through the HTC unlock process twice, but hey... It's up to you how much risk you're willing to take with your brand new Rezound. I took the safe route. It took maybe a little more time, and I had to do some steps twice (achieving root for GB, then for ICS... unlocking before and after ICS...), but since you only have to go through this whole process once, I recommend playing it safe.
PINK Tampered flag?
I unlocked again after achieving S-OFF. I just double-checked, and I do not see any pink "Tampered" flag anywhere in my bootloader. If you follow my instructions below, this shouldn't happen.
My start-to-finish recommendation:
If the end result you're looking for is ICS OTA, rooted, S-OFF, then I recommend you follow these guides, in the following order:
1: Scotty's noob-friendly guide to root Rezound:
http://androidforums.com/rezound-al...ys-noob-friendly-root-guide-start-finish.html
One thing to note: Scotty gives instructions both for temporary and permanent flashing of custom recovery. In your case, I would recommend doing the temporary flash. This will allow you to flash superSU (achieve root) - which you need to do in order to achieve S-OFF - but it will also save you the hassle of later having to flash the stock recovery back - which you need to have in order to install the OTA.
2: My guide to achieve S-OFF:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_kRxD5LtazP7vEnr9cDb3iHwWB1ZfJD_yn6xXo7d1bo/edit
3: My guide to install the OTA after rooting and S-OFF:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tmlh4OnplVfBNSjSyXfTYIVGfyb9lgI6ABpfg7gHY44/edit
If you flashed a temporary recovery, then you can skip to step 7 in this guide to verify that you have stock recovery on your device. If you do, then you should be able to initiate the OTA from within Gingerbread, and successfully install. In other words: If you flashed a temporary recovery, you can follow steps 7 to the end in this guide.
These three guides together, in the order that I listed them, are the exact steps I followed to achieve the same thing that you say you're shooting for: official ICS, rooted, S-OFF. I think these steps are the least risky steps you can take to achieve these things.
Keep us posted on how it goes!
bloodymurderlive said:
dashbored
Unlock after S-OFF?
My bootloader was locked after I installed the OTA update. What I discovered was that I was unable to flash any custom recoveries (AR Recovery 3.15). Even though I was S-OFF, I still needed to unlock before it would let me flash a recovery.
What I think some people do after achieving S-OFF is install a custom bootloader, and this is why they're able to install custom recoveries without having to unlock again. This is risky. As I understand it, nothing can run on your Rezound if your bootloader has a problem. So if you happen to install a corrupt bootloader, you could brick your Rezound.
Keep us posted on how it goes!
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FYI: AFter you s-off you can not use fastboot flash commands unless you install the JB Hboot at the end of the S-off process (it should offer you the option) That is the custom hboot you refer to. All flashers are encouraged to check MD5 sum of the files they download before flashing (primarily RUU, hboot/radios..not so much roms). This will guard against corrupted files, making the process less risky.
If you have the ph98img.zip file version of amonra, it will flash just fine in the stock hboot. Hboot picks it up when it scans for ph98img.zip files and you select yes to install.
Personally, I've kept the stock hboot because there are ph98img.zip files of anything I've needed to flash so I don't have a need to be using a lot of fastboot commands.
topgun1953 said:
Personally, I've kept the stock hboot because there are ph98img.zip files of anything I've needed to flash so I don't have a need to be using a lot of fastboot commands.
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Exactly... I prefer that my Rezound is self-sufficient, without needing a PC to mess with it.
Good note on fast boot!
stock or rooted
Dashboard:
Juopunutbear instructions require a rooted rom.
So if you wanna go S-0ff, you CAN use a stock rom, but it must
be rooted (SU and Busybox) for the S-0ff process to work.
michaelbsheldon said:
Hiya, You're getting ready to become addicted to roms, by the way.
All your choices are kind of 'what do you want' things, but assuming you
receive it with stock Gingerbread, easiest thing would be to:
1 unlock by way of HTC Development instructions - lots of info here on xda
2 flash Cleanrom 175 a gingerbread stockish rooted rom
3 do the S-0ff thing with Juopunutbear, being careful not to amend or skip
any instructions in the S-0ff recipe (critical).
4 now your phone is s-0ff and locked. leave it just that way: no unlocks ever needed again and no pink warnings
5 flash Android police newest ICS RUU
6 flash amon ra as a PBIMG in recovery
7 use amon ra to wipe and install ANYTHING you want
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I am new to this and need help when performing a wipe with amon ra there are a lot of options in recovery for the wipe, and I am not sure which option to do. Can you help.
Thanks
flspanky said:
I am new to this and need help when performing a wipe with amon ra there are a lot of options in recovery for the wipe, and I am not sure which option to do. Can you help.
Thanks
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What are you trying to accomplish? Root? In that case, I believe you need to use amon ra to Wipe cache, then Wipe dalvik cache. Then.com use it to flash superSU.
bloodymurderlive said:
dashbored... The thing you need to understand is that everyone has their own way of doing things. You need to either (a) study everything everyone says until you understand everything well enough to create your own process, or (b) follow somebody else's process. I will provide you with one below.
In regards to the latest comments...
Keep us posted on how it goes!
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Wow thank you for that informative reply! That really cleared up all of my questions. I now have two new, minor questions.
1. The audio clip for the S-off wire trick has two distinct tones. From watching the video, it looks like the different tones don't matter. Basically just hit tap and release as the metronome hits the first beat, and then again on the second beat. Correct?
2. This is probably a silly question, but what are the advantages of Amon Ra recovery over the stock?
I am too tired tonight, but I think I am going to give this a go this weekend...
michaelbsheldon said:
Dashboard:
Juopunutbear instructions require a rooted rom.
So if you wanna go S-0ff, you CAN use a stock rom, but it must
be rooted (SU and Busybox) for the S-0ff process to work.
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Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up for me!
bloodymurderlive said:
What are you trying to accomplish? Root? In that case, I believe you need to use amon ra to Wipe cache, then Wipe dalvik cache. Then.com use it to flash superSU.
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Thanks. I was installing the ICS Global root and ROM and the instructions said to wipe all, and I was not sure how many areas under the wiping options I should perform.
Quick update - I've rooted my Rezound. Have not done the S-off wire trick yet. Still on stock GB.
Question - none of the wifi tether app seems to be working! Open garden was working perfectly for me with my old rooted Thunderbolt. A quick search seems to show that Rezound has issues with wifi tethering?! This was one of the main motivations behind rooting, so I am a feeling a bit underwhelmed right now with my new Rezound...
Newest wifi tether works fine...even has Rezound settings. Since you are still on GB search for sirgatez mod. Worked great for me when I was still on GB.
Sent from my HTC Rezound / ADR6425LVW using Tapatalk v2.2.7
Ok, so I have been looking for days on what to do, I want to make sure I don't screw up.
I have been reading this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1817513
When I press Power + VolDown I can see it say "H-Boot 1.5.0000" so I assume this means I have 1.5 and not 1.58 or whatever right?
So then according to that, I can only use a ICS rom if I have hboot 1.58 right? And the only exploit that turns Hboot to fully S-OFF so I can flash both custom roms AND radios runs on 1.40 right?
So basically,... I need to purposely make my phone fail a flash and brick it on PURPOSE (I am really REALLY worried about this) and make it kick into an emergency boot flash mode, use a specially designed Linux BootCD to flash hboot 1.40, hack 1.40 after installing it to turn S-OFF, and then upgrade to hboot 1.58, keeping S-OFF that way, right?
Is there any way some app or update or whatever can turn S-ON back again? Or will it be permanently S-OFF once I do this?
Will any of the internal or SD memory be wiped if I do this? Can I do the temp-root method first to use titanium backup just in case it wipes my data before I try to brick it?
I know bricking is a pretty nasty thing, have there been people who permanently bricked it like this? How will I know when to fail the flashing process?
And I am assuming that since this entails flashing an upgrade then making it fail, I am only going to have one shot at this aren't I?
I wish this wasn't so risky...
Cyber Akuma said:
I wish this wasn't so risky...
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If the downgrade method seems risky, you could try the JuopunutBear (wire trick) method to gain S-OFF. I have a guide thread here that outlines a pretty simple process to get root and S-OFF.
If you are concerned about the wire trick, read through the tips and references for Step3 of that guide. Many people have used that method to gain S-OFF on the Evo 3D and other phones, and I have yet to hear of a confirmed report that it damaged a phone. It may corrupt the SD card used during the process, but that can easily be restored.
ramjet73
I looked into that, but it says flashing a stock hboot would re-lock it, plus it needs me to do the HTC Unlock first meaning i would lose the information on my phone.
I used the wire trick. Easiest thing in the world. I personally used the wires in a USB cable and it worked fine. it took only 3 or 4 tries and BAMN! your s-off.
But will I be able to upgrade to hboot 1.58 while keeping s-off with the wire trick? And will it work for radios too?
Cyber Akuma said:
I looked into that, but it says flashing a stock hboot would re-lock it, plus it needs me to do the HTC Unlock first meaning i would lose the information on my phone.
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Actually, flashing the RUU (Step1) requires relocking the bootloader if it's currently unlocked (which it sounds like you are not), and the wire trick (Step3) requires being HTC unlocked, which you need for rooting (Step2) as well.
Just backup the information on your phone using MyBackup or an equivalent app and restore it after you have S-OFF. I believe that was mentioned in the guide.
There is currently no way to get root or S-OFF on the Evo 3D without resetting your phone, since the HTC unlock does that and the hboot downgrade requires flashing an RUU that will reset everything to stock. If backing up and restoring your apps and data seems difficult to you then you are probably better off staying with a stock configuration and hope you don't damage or lose your phone.
Cyber Akuma said:
But will I be able to upgrade to hboot 1.58 while keeping s-off with the wire trick? And will it work for radios too?
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If you follow the guide exactly as it is written you will wind up with the current Sprint ICS (2.89.651.2) firmware, and the JuopunutBear 1.58.5858 bootloader which is a modified version of the 1.58 hboot that allows more fastboot commands. You will be rooted with a radio S-OFF status, and can flash whatever hboot, recovery, ROM and kernel you want.
It's really pretty easy, and you are making it more complicated than it needs to be. If you want to do it, backup your phone and SD card and follow the guide. If not, just be happy that the Evo 3D is a pretty nice phone in its stock configuration.
ramjey73
My ultimate goal is to have this thing fully S-OFF and running a rooted stock Sprint ICS firmware (At least for now, I will use a custom rom someday down the road), is that stock rom you mentioned rooted?
And I never heard of that backup app, pretty sure you need root access in order to backup everything, I want all of my apps and their settings backed up too, not just stuff like my contacts (useless since gmail syncs them anyway) and texts.
Cyber Akuma said:
My ultimate goal is to have this thing fully S-OFF and running a rooted stock Sprint ICS firmware (At least for now, I will use a custom rom someday down the road), is that stock rom you mentioned rooted?
And I never heard of that backup app, pretty sure you need root access in order to backup everything, I want all of my apps and their settings backed up too, not just stuff like my contacts (useless since gmail syncs them anyway) and texts.
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You can check the backup apps, including MyBackup, on the Google Play Store. Like I said, you might be better off just staying with a stock configuration since my guide does exactly what you are asking for via a procedure that is as simpified as I can make it. Maybe someone else can offer you what you are looking for, but there is no "one click" root and S-OFF for the Evo 3D that maintains all your data, apps and settings, so you may be searching for a long time.
Good luck!
ramjet73
One-click isn't what I'm looking for, its not that the procedure is complicated to me so much as I have a choice between either a very risky method or a method that is safe but will make me lose data and corrupt my SD. I mean, I can backup my SD, but I also want to backup my internal memory too.
I remember hearing that there was a method to gain temporary root without erasing anything, it would go away on the next reboot. if I can do that I can at least back up the data first.
Cyber Akuma said:
One-click isn't what I'm looking for, its not that the procedure is complicated to me so much as I have a choice between either a very risky method or a method that is safe but will make me lose data and corrupt my SD. I mean, I can backup my SD, but I also want to backup my internal memory too.
I remember hearing that there was a method to gain temporary root without erasing anything, it would go away on the next reboot. if I can do that I can at least back up the data first.
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AFAIK, there's no temporary root that works on the Evo 3D. Someone posted one here that works on the Sensation, but it was tested and didn't work on the Evo 3D. Apparently you can only run ADB commands with that even on the Sensation, so that wouldn't help you much.
It's really not a big deal to restore your apps and contacts from Google if you choose that option in the privacy settings, and you shouldn't have to worry about email. In the worst case you might lose some text messages if you are not using Google Voice, but there are non-rooted apps that will back those up as well. You will have to reconfigure your home screens and enter a few userid's and passwords, but that doesn't take much effort.
I really don't understand what is holding you back, but that's your choice. I'm not going to try to convince you anymore given the type of reservations you are expressing.
Edit1: Just out of curiosity, how do you backup your phone now? How would you recover your data, apps and settings if your phone got lost, stolen or had to be replaced? If you can answer that, it may be the solution to how you can approach getting root and S-OFF.
Edit2: Here's a temp root procedure that might work with the hboot 1.5 (assuming you are on GB build 2.17.651.5) that you have now. I've never used it myself so if you have questions or problems you will need to contact the OP of that thread. I know this and other temp root procedures have not worked with the Sprint ICS build (2.89.651.2) because the exploit used has been patched.
ramjet73
Ramjet is the master, google is your friend but with 40 different explanations you are going to get confused with google, If your have any reservations do not unlock nor root your phone. Ramjet has been around for a very long time, he absolutely knows all the ins an outs in regards to the evo, android and rooting. With any new process there's always a learning curve and always the possibility of bricking your phone. The decision must be yours , good luck.
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
I DON'T have a current backup method (other than what Google syncs) that's why I want to do a backup first. I know my purchases are stored on my Google account, but I have multiple Android devices and my apps are split between them, if I just hit download all it would fill myemory with junk apps. There are many apps on my phone and I doubt I would remember them all. However, the main reason is that I want to backup their data and settings, that's more important than backing up the apps themselves for me.
My phone is thankfully still on stock Gingerbread.
Cyber Akuma said:
I DON'T have a current backup method (other than what Google syncs) that's why I want to do a backup first. I know my purchases are stored on my Google account, but I have multiple Android devices and my apps are split between them, if I just hit download all it would fill myemory with junk apps. There are many apps on my phone and I doubt I would remember them all. However, the main reason is that I want to backup their data and settings, that's more important than backing up the apps themselves for me.
My phone is thankfully still on stock Gingerbread.
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If you are going to try the "tacoroot" temp root method, you should be aware of this post by coal686 in response to my posting possible temp root methods in my root and S-OFF guide thread.
Good luck!
ramjet73