Please help developers how to avoid infringe any patent and copyright, for both software app and hardware developers and manufacturers.
Google, please help.
We are sitting here. Everything stopped. Waiting for your response. We do not wish to be cross fire victims of this vicious war. This is our livelihood and we want to depend on your action and protection.
As developer, I want to avoid this patent & copyright fight on both hardware and app.
Please help us to find the safe ground to stand on? So that months & years of development efforts are not going wasted.
Please tell us what is the hardware and Android OS platform to start our work.
Why is Google so quiet? This is the critical time we need assurance and confidence that Android is solid ground to build our work.
Google is the skilled hunter laying in wait for his prey. His silence hides his presence until the opportune moment arises.
Actually Motorola Mobility files several patent infringement cases against Apple a few days ago.
And we all know who bought Motorola Mobility back in May
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Actually Motorola Mobility files several patent infringement cases against Apple a few days ago.
And we all know who bought Motorola Mobility back in May
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Trust me...as an avid Apple hater I've been following Apple/Android since day one. Smart move on googles part with that purchase
Watched local bay area TV interviewed several jury. Immediately, you can tell these are barely / minimal educated / grade school janitor type. No wonder they admitted made up their mind in few hours at the beginning of the trial and decided the entire case in half a day. I also sense they spoke with the attitude of American vs Korean / to teach them guys something of us vs them.
We think the problems are the American patent system. How they justify granting frivolous sense of look and feed, square / round corner; scroll scan, zoom, are patented innovative created property? What was really created, but rather, has been in used by everybody else in control system, touch screen, human interface for years? Well there are over 300+ countries around the world. I am sure everybody nowl know how and when and where to pick a fight with the biggest pocket.
We work on VoIP hardware + software applications using Android tablets. So want to be sure what stock Android platform so weak attacked by Apple. Now, if uncertain, may have to switch to Window 8 platform, just be on the safe side.
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Just curious what you feel... multiple answers are allowed.
I put them in no particular order.
I'm going to hold off on giving my opinion, just to not curb anything... but I really appreciate the feedback. Likely will use the data to write an article. Thanks!
Good feedback may be quoted, unless objected
Didn't I see an article on here about a malware creating app that's on the market? With opensource, you will have a lot of people trying to attack peoples phones and with everyone thinking a phone isn't a computer and can't be attacked, everyone still downloads things without reading permissions and other important info regarding the app... I vote for malware being the biggest threat!
No zombie apocalypse?
Zombies... Can't believe I neglected that, ha.
Malware is definitely 1st long-term as Android grows, but the use and abuse of the flawed patent system is fairly troublesome. I feel like I should patent the process by which one files suit for patent infringement...
Have you tried using the Forms feature in GoogleDocs? I have been using it with great success for polls like this a small non-profit I am president of. It dumps the results into a spreadsheet automatically for you for more in-depth analysis...
That is a great idea. I've only used Google Docs a handful of times, the most prominent when I was getting people into G+ with the backdoor... every time I leave away impressed. I need to look into that more, thanks man.
Apple Patents and Fragmentation would be the #1 problem in my eyes.
Apple has been trying to take down Samsung products, if you guys know... Samsung sells most of the Android phones. Apple is targeting ONLY Samsung right now and that's because Samsung has the best sales in Android. If Apple is able to take Samsung down - they've basically won the fight. I think it was yesterday I saw on Engadget a article that said that Samsung Galaxy Tabs were not allowed to be sold in Germany (http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/09/german-apple-suit-ruling-blocks-samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-sale-in/)
#2 Fragmentation
Apple is taking Android from the outside.
Fragmentation is eating Android from the inside out. There are simply TOO many Android phones out there and that's not exactly the main problem. The main problem is updates- Some phones are STILL on 2.1 and developers from that phones have said multiple times that their phone is ready for 2.2/2.3 because they've ported it through leaks and whatnot.
The new agreement that google made with the "other companies" may slowly remove fragmentation - 18 months (?) and the phone must have atleast 2 updates (i think) That, I think is a good time to drop the phone, I mean seriously, There's like 10 new Android phones out every week....
Apple is a poor loser in this game. Your mad bc samsung simply makes a better product? Pffff. Go get on ur mac and hit up ur starbucks. Save some trees too.
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Oracle and apple are both hostile players so they are a threat....... the second os the threat of fragmentation ............. this will be an issue if they do not resolve NOW !!!
Biggest threat is apple with all that suing cuz they can't compete an fragmentation will not be a problem once ics comes out if they keep promises an should run great on old devices since Linux is famous for running on old devices
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/20/apple-awarded-a-patent-for-in-call-app-switching-starts-draftin/
-_- you fcking kidding me -_-
Whats next a patent on buttons... On the battery icon...
Apple = SUPER troll
But it's already being done. And they weren't even able to multitask at all for a while after Android was.
This is Jobs' obsession. He said he would go "thermonuclear" to ruin Android.
They really need to overhaul the patent office and get some people in there who have a clue about technology.
I want to know who are the idiots sitting behind a desk mindlessly stamping "Approved" on these patents. Do they not look into these claims and see if its even particle to give one company ownership on a function that has become common practice.
Looks like it's multitasking in general.. Which apple phones are incapable of derp?
Copyright WinMo?
But reading into it (not too far...) it seems mostly about using specific buttons or such to bring up an app list during a call... with android you just hit the home button, which is not part of the GUI of the phone "app"
anywho, read into the actual patent application and it doesn't specifically apply due to some wording and regarding the "menu button" they mention over and over again.
Apple needs to be destroyed.
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Apple needs to be destroyed.
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Agreed!!
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Lulz Apple invented UNIX?? Besides isn't it easier for them now with an Android styled Notifications system?? What about what they borrowed from Blackberry and WP7? Messaging system and system form links... Copied.
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How can the concept of multtasking be patentable?
That makes no sense. Does iOS really multitask anyway?
So Apple wants every other OS to pay them royalties to multitask?
This is going to come back to haunt them. Corporate greed and naivete on designs that are either common domain or have prior art are things that won't sit well with the hipster/occupy/disenfranchised generation of iSheep.
+1 on the dimwitted patent clerks stamping these patents. Apple patents hyperlinking, essentially, in the patent that recognizes (oh boy!) a telephone number and turns it into a hyperlink that brings you directly to the dialer. It looks like hTC will find a different way to recognize text as a phone number and circumvent this patent, so who wins? Lawyers get paid. hTC has to pay software engineers to rewrite code. Functionality remains the same for the customers. The cost gets passed on to... who? Owners of both Apple and hTC phones. We all lose.
Apple is loosing ground to Android and windows phone... They know it only a matter off time before their last years news so their trying to stay relevant and patent anything and everything to have some form off profit once iDevice sales go down.
Apple got a head start since they released a phone that called the attention of the masses, but that fad is dieing. Only thing the iphone has is ease of use and windows phone hit that head on, Android still working on that.
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Soooo how long till someone from this generation gets into the patent office. I feel that would be a major hit to apple. As the rules would change and ambiguous patents that cover broad portions of tech will no longer be valid. What a good day that will be.
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I don't know if anyone has seen the new post made on portal but I intend to send this to all the Apple Exec's and relevant people I can find.
We should all send this to the same people to let them know what we think.
Dear Apple,
Your ENTIRE organization lacks morals and free market competition basics, and as such, you are not worthy of having the glory that you now posses. While you may have revolutionized the world as we know it with very well crafted marketing campaigns and some good ideas, you are far from being a true innovator in the field of… anything. Just think for one second about the LEAPS in technology that you would have accomplished, should you have invested in R&D a quarter of the money you spend into advertising and marketing. Then, you would have something worth portraying as a technological wonder, something that would likely be untouchable by others. Something truly genuine that you can call your own, and at the end of the day you could look at with pride. What you have right now is a bunch of reinvented wheels, most of which don’t do much more than other wheels out there.
Redefining concepts and ideas is not what makes a company great; coming up with new concepts is. HTC and other major OEMS have often been in the vanguard by innovating with their products, adding new features, rethinking, and just putting concepts out there to imagine their possibilities. Your last innovations and only major contributions to the world of mobile technology were the inclusion of capacitive multi-touch gestures and an accelerometer in mobile devices, and these were with the original iPhone back in 2007. For that and only that, I give you credit. All the newer models of virtually every product you sell have been remakes of previous technology—perhaps a little thinner and a little faster, but all in all, minor changes.
It is because of companies like yours that technology is not further today than where it currently is. You are so adamant in protecting something that you didn’t even invent that you are holding back future innovation. The spirit and basic concepts of engineering are completely missing from your business models. Courtesy of the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology:
Engineering is the profession in which a knowledge of the mathematical and natural sciences gained by experience, study, and practice is applied with judgement to develop ways to utilize economically, the materials and forces of nature for the benefit of mankind.
Notice the importance of the concept that you are no longer following. Engineering practices are used for the betterment of mankind. What have you done for this purpose? Rebrand an existing technology (MP3 players) and sell them for twice the price? Trying to cripple your competitors by claiming that you invented something that was previously invented, when you simply adapted the technology and closed off any other use of this by others? This can be compared to using a Linux kernel (if it weren’t under GPL license), patenting it, and closing it off so that no one else can use it.
Apple, you are simply a disgrace to the world of technology and to engineering in general. I feel ashamed of being called an engineer in a world where your company roams around freely without even following the most basic of the field’s concepts—a world where the law and justice are blind to the fact that your actions are hindering humanity’s advancement. While I understand that there is nothing wrong with making money, there is something very wrong with replacing engineering with greed.
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Does anyone know some definite e-mail addresses to Apple execs and relevant people?
E-mail Addresses found so far:
Tim Cook [email protected]
How about sending it to one infinite loop,Cupertino CA
At least spam filters won't get it...
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I went to their site earlier today and when on chat to let them know my anger. Click thru their Google ad first
Nice! Even though i dont have any email addresses, i think this should be posted to any and every response to or from a crapple fan or employee.
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This is silly.
I mean, heck. If I were company A who invented idea X and company B came along with idea X, I would not be so different from Apple.
And, Apple employees are not the ones hording our EVOs. Its the government.
What we need is a "Free EVO" campaign
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And, Apple employees are not the ones hording our EVOs. Its the government.
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Ah, didn't realize the Customs office is holding HTC products for ****s and giggles.
Doesn't matter. Voices need to be heard.
I sent one too!
Steve Jobs would sometimes personally answer emails, but I doubt Tim Cook would. Honestly at this point it's out of Apple's hands as it's US Customs who are enforcing it and controlling the process of holding the phones so a mass email to them would be more effective.
typhoonikan said:
This is silly.
I mean, heck. If I were company A who invented idea X and company B came along with idea X, I would not be so different from Apple.
And, Apple employees are not the ones hording our EVOs. Its the government.
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Therein lies the biggest issue, Apple didn't invent a lot of the stuff they have patents for. They are just the first ones to try and patent something so ridiculous.
coolblue830 said:
Steve Jobs would sometimes personally answer emails, but I doubt Tim Cook would. Honestly at this point it's out of Apple's hands as it's US Customs who are enforcing it and controlling the process of holding the phones so a mass email to them would be more effective.
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Tell my why the HTC One on T-Moblie is being held? You know, the network without the iphoney...
Pure thuggery by apple
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shook187 said:
What we need is a "Free EVO" campaign
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As in "free" beer, or "free" willy?
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All sprint and other cellular phone salesman should advise customers against buying the iPhone. Recommend a Nexus or EVO LTE instead.
Peace All,
Where is ANONYMOUS when we need them? They would be the best at doing this--hey they might even be able to shut down some of Apple's infrastructure
phatmanxxl said:
All sprint and other cellular phone salesman should advise customers against buying the iPhone. Recommend a Nexus or EVO LTE instead.
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I sell phones and already do this! B-)
Apple doesn't care what non-customers think of them.
Apple's action is anti-consumer, it's time to awaken the government's consumer protection arms to take action against Apple. Write to your Attorney Generals, write to the Federal Trade Commission. Make Apple listen.
The U.S. International Trade Commission today ordered an import ban on Motorola Mobility Android products, agreeing with Microsoft that the devices infringe a Microsoft patent on 'generating meeting requests' from a mobile device. The import ban stems from a December ruling that the Motorola Atrix, Droid, and Xoom (among 18 total devices) infringed the patent, which Microsoft says is related to Exchange ActiveSync technology.
Today, the ITC said in a 'final determination of violation' (PDF) that 'the appropriate form of relief in this investigation is a limited exclusion order prohibiting the unlicensed entry for consumption of mobile devices, associated software and components thereof covered by ... United States Patent No. 6,370,566 and that are manufactured abroad by or on behalf of, or imported by or on behalf of, Motorola.' Motorola (which is being acquired by Google) was the last major Android device maker not to pay off Microsoft in a patent licensing deal. Microsoft has already responded to the decision, saying it hopes Motorola will now reconsider."
Ha
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Roflmao. It's too bad Microsoft doesn't have a patent on locked bootloaders. :-D
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They'll pay.
Or, hey, how about this? Since this is a corporate thing that somebody like me will never use, why not only put it on a few business-class phones, and push the cost onto the consumer? Or, take it out of the phone, and sell it as an app? That way, those who want it can pay Motorola for the software and Microsoft for being a patent troll.
Also interesting to note that Microsoft now, as well as Apple, has sent a message to Android users that they are unable to openly compete (since they aren't giving away the software, they can't sell the same hardware as cheaply). That tells me that WP7 (as well as iOS) isn't a sustainable platform as long as Android is around. And I wouldn't bet against Google. I'd think it less wise to bet against Apple and Microsoft, but Google's got them in a panic.
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Roflmao. It's too bad Microsoft doesn't have a patent on locked bootloaders. :-D
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Thanks for the laugh haha.
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Kind of reminds me of the days when RedHat 5.1 was makin it big. At that time MS had like 93% of the OS market. I think they tried something similar against Linux. I remember by the time it was all over with Linux had like 6 or 7% of the OS market.
Some said 7%, what l's the big deal? Think about it. All those millions of PC's that were lost to Linux. It's about money and control and Gates was losing some. Same thing with Android phones. I think the "infringement" on activesync is bull. It's just another attempt by a greedy company not wanting to loose money.
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
Seem Apple and Microsoft have team up to try and crush Android
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for what it is worth, googles purchase of Motorola was approved by chineese regulators with the requirement that Android stay open for at least 5yrs. That was the last remaining hurdle for purchase.
Hopefully google will improve motorola as well as the photon.
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It's about money and control and Gates was losing some. Same
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Well, can you tell me someone that has spent more money for the society than Gates (Roughly half of his fortune is in his foundation) and is still quite modest and down-to-earth?
(Just sayin that it's not fair to bash Gates)
Anyway, I hate those legal battles, too. I'd say stop crying and start developing innovative stuff to be competitive!!
Technology can't advance if ****ty companies like MS and Appple continue to claim every little thingy as theirs.
Android on the other hand continues to grow in popularity, because of its openness.
And it's getting better every day because users&devs can improve every aspect of it.
If you have iOS though, you're left at the mercy of apple. Nothing you can do 'bout that
I'd choose open source over proprietary bs any time
Dear Microsoft,
Please make Motorola release official kernel sources, drivers and other BS stuff.
And not to forget make them unlock the bootloders.
Getting things sorted out for couple of million $$$ isn't going to be a fair deal.
Make them pay for their evil work
Your's truly
Proud WinUbuntu User
iONEx said:
Technology can't advance if ****ty companies like MS and Appple continue to claim every little thingy as theirs.
Android on the other hand continues to grow in popularity, because of its openness.
And it's getting better every day because users&devs can improve every aspect of it.
If you have iOS though, you're left at the mercy of apple. Nothing you can do 'bout that
I'd choose open source over proprietary bs any time
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Because Android is of course completely open source and there is nothing proprietary about it, right?
Newsflash, buddy. Android as XDA knows it is not Android as the rest of the world knows it. As much as you'd love to think the world of smartphones revolves around XDA and it's open to everyone and it's amazing and beautiful and so simple, people who root and reflash are the minority and always will be. Android is not growing because of it's openness. It's growing because it doesn't cost anything and anyone can slap it on a ridiculously crappy phone and call it a "smartphone" and sell it on a high margin.
Please don't be fooled for one second into thinking that the use of Android outside of high-end devices is anything more than businesses trying to efficiently make money.
This is exactly the sort of arrogance from Android users that piss me off and sometimes make me a shamed to be a fan of Android. Microsoft and Google aren't doing anything less than what Google would do, but I have no doubt you people would all bow down to Google if Google attacked Microsoft or Apple, because of course that's ok.
You can sit there for ages smack-talking Apple and Microsoft as much as you want, but the truth is simple; as awesome as Android is, it's full of patent-infringing stuff, and will continue to be for a long time. The only reason it doesn't bother you is because you're all Android fans.
Microsoft had every right to do what they did, for the longest time they were perfectly content with just taking license fees on every Android device made. Was it a bit slimy for them to do it recently instead of much earlier? Obviously, but then again, Google pushed out an operating system without full understanding what they were creating.
I'm thankful for Android, but Android is not god. Google is not perfect. They infringed and they got burned for it. This is what happens in the business world. The way IP works does not change just because you are a fan of the "victim" company.
I came into this thread hoping for mature conversation about what happened, but it seems everyone has decided they're industry experts and that Android's quality as an operating system has anything to do with its status as patent-infringing or not.
Sad.
I agree with you, except one thing.
There are many nonsense patents, all these companies got patented for some reason, I do not understand.
Maybe one day, you won't be able to plant some kind of a flower, because it's growing too fast and someone has patent, that this kind of flower cannot grow faster, because he has patent, that only his way is the right way and you will pay for it, that you know it.
Just a symbolic example. ;-)
peetr_ said:
I agree with you, except one thing.
There are many nonsense patents, all these companies got patented for some reason, I do not understand.
Maybe one day, you won't be able to plant some kind of a flower, because it's growing too fast and someone has patent, that this kind of flower cannot grow faster, because he has patent, that only his way is the right way and you will pay for it, that you know it.
Just a symbolic example. ;-)
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Monsanto?
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Lol...
No.
All,
As we know, the big M generally supports '1 (big) software update' when it comes to Android.
They have not yet launched ICs in europe officially, because the MAXX is yet to be released fully.
If Microsoft has managed to get a ban on the import of M products, do you think this will have a knock on effect on them releasing ICS?
Maybe
Omg... I don't care about their patent wars....
What they think will happen?- all people decided to buy an android phone will go and buy wp7 phone because of the ban or what?
If only they invest such an afford to developing new technologies and improvements instead of these nonsense legal wars leading nowhere...
30 years ago I read a scifi novel that painted the scenario of a world controlled by just a few giant multinational corporations waging constant legal wars with each other. when the corps lost badly in court they would have puppet governments bomb the other corp. i thought it was over the top too far fetched.
hee hee haw haw
iolinux333 said:
30 years ago I read a scifi novel that painted the scenario of a world controlled by just a few giant multinational corporations waging constant legal wars with each other. when the corps lost badly in court they would have puppet governments bomb the other corp. i thought it was over the top too far fetched.
hee hee haw haw
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I just watched 1984 on demand.... a lot of the technology described (tvs, monitoring devices, and audio projection) during the making of that book didn't exist but is all too real today. Worse even...
Science "fiction" eh...
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maarawoe said:
Omg... I don't care about their patent wars....
What they think will happen?- all people decided to buy an android phone will go and buy wp7 phone because of the ban or what?
If only they invest such an afford to developing new technologies and improvements instead of these nonsense legal wars leading nowhere...
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They don't lead nowhere.
They lead to more money in the huge corporations' pockets.
And in their lawyers'.
I know of a company near here that has sued a number of companies for using a bootloader, claiming that any company that uses a bootloader is infringing on their intellectual property rights.
After years of delays and hundreds of thousands of dollars in the pockets of the lawyers on both sides, the company agrees to a settlement to the tune of a few hundred thousand, plus their legal fees of course, and moves on to its next lawsuit.
Populist corporation-bashing aside, these suits are something we're going to have to get used to. The smart phone market is highly competitive and every manufacturer is looking at every patent they control to see if a competitor might be infringing. Apple and Samsung are the worst offenders, although they're now in settlement talks. Entire companies are bought and sold not because of any market value, but for the patents they own.
All we can really hope for are some judges to throw out frivolous nonsense like "patent for device vaguely rectangular in shape that requires fingers to operate" and deal with legitimate cases such as Google V. Oracle.
But, will this effect the ICS rollout? Doubt it. They'll likely not admit it if it is the case, anyway. But regardless, Microsoft won a judgment. There is no ban in effect, yet. It is highly improbable that there will be one. Right now, the case is under a 60 day "presidential review" period where Obama could personally overturn the ruling. What is key is Motorola must now put $0.33 in a fund for every Android handset it sells. If upheld, this will go to MS. Now, Motorola must either remove the offending code, or pay a license fee to Microsoft. Either way, don't expect huge bonded customs warehouses with stacks of Razrs.