This might be a silly question, but what exactly are the differences between the three Jellybean ROMs I see in the dev section (Paranoid, CM10, AOKP)?
None of these seem to have any kind of "feature log" or changelog.
Anyone have any insights?
tehkingo said:
This might be a silly question, but what exactly are the differences between the three Jellybean ROMs I see in the dev section (Paranoid, CM10, AOKP)?
None of these seem to have any kind of "feature log" or changelog.
Anyone have any insights?
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Paranoid Android Is Jellybean
AOKP....not going there with that one
CMX, Pure build from code. Great rom.
differences, not exactly sure, but most will have a twitter to keep up with changes if possible
leo72793 said:
Paranoid Android Is Jellybean
AOKP....not going there with that one
CMX, Pure build from code. Great rom.
differences, not exactly sure, but most will have a twitter to keep up with changes if possible
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I'm not trying to be a ****, but you kind of didn't answer my question in any way.
a) What's wrong with AOKP?
b) I know Paranoid is JB, that's why I mentioned it. Are you saying it's stock JB? Kinda confused on the wording here.
c) Obviously, you're a fan of CM10 (aka CMX). What makes it so good compared to the other two? I see the thread for it has more posts (and thus seems to be more popular), but why?
Again, I'm not trying to be difficult. Just hoping to get an answer without having to flash 3 different ROMs.
Each ROM has different features.
CM isnt just straight AOSP
Rxpert said:
Each ROM has different features.
CM isnt just straight AOSP
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As much as I am grateful that people are paying attention to this thread and attempting to answer, this is the 2nd non-answer I've received so far.
I know each ROM has different features, that's why I made this thread.
I know CM isn't just straight AOSP.
My issue is that unlike most of the Sense ROMs, these JB ROMs have no feature list at all, and don't even cite any sort of changelog. Thus, I can't make an informed decision on which ROM to flash.
leo72793 said:
Paranoid Android Is Jellybean
AOKP....not going there with that one
CMX, Pure build from code. Great rom.
differences, not exactly sure, but most will have a twitter to keep up with changes if possible
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That's like.. not even fully correct.
Please make sure you know what you're talking about before you answer questions, as not knowing the answer will only cause more confusion.
To OP,
Paranoid: Paranoid Android is an AOSP JB ROM that focuses on the fusion of phone mode and tablet mode. Typically putting a phone into tablet mode would be cool, but some features of tablet mode just don't work that well on a phone. So they've worked on making the tablet mode experience work better on a phone. You can read more about it here.
AOKP: AOKP (Android Open Kang Project) is a highly customized AOSP build that is somewhat similar to CM in that it has a lot of tweaks available to it. AOKP actually has a bit more customization than CM, allowing you to center the clock, add the day of the week to the clock, weather in your notification menu, and a few other neat tricks. You can read more about it here.
CM10: CyanogenMod is the most popular custom Android ROM around, with a very large user base. It supports many different devices. We just recently received official support, meaning we will get official releases and nightlies on a daily basis. This is a plus for CM, because we don't have official support for AOKP and Paranoid, which means we might not always get the newest updates. While it has less ability for customization than AOKP, CM is still a very solid AOSP ROM. You can read more about it here.
All three are great ROMs, and at this point they have mostly the same bugs. I would personally suggest CM10 because the development for it is a bit more active and I've noticed better battery life and less buggyness while running that over AOKP.
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That's like.. not even fully correct.
Please make sure you know what you're talking about before you answer questions, as not knowing the answer will only cause more confusion.
To OP,
Paranoid: Paranoid Android is an AOSP JB ROM that focuses on the fusion of phone mode and tablet mode. Typically putting a phone into tablet mode would be cool, but some features of tablet mode just don't work that well on a phone. So they've worked on making the tablet mode experience work better on a phone. You can read more about it here.
AOKP: AOKP (Android Open Kang Project) is a highly customized AOSP build that is somewhat similar to CM in that it has a lot of tweaks available to it. AOKP actually has a bit more customization than CM, allowing you to center the clock, add the day of the week to the clock, weather in your notification menu, and a few other neat tricks. You can read more about it here.
CM10: CyanogenMod is the most popular custom Android ROM around, with a very large user base. It supports many different devices. We just recently received official support, meaning we will get official releases and nightlies on a daily basis. This is a plus for CM, because we don't have official support for AOKP and Paranoid, which means we might not always get the newest updates. While it has less ability for customization than AOKP, CM is still a very solid AOSP ROM. You can read more about it here.
All three are great ROMs, and at this point they have mostly the same bugs. I would personally suggest CM10 because the development for it is a bit more active and I've noticed better battery life and less buggyness while running that over AOKP.
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Thanks you so much for your in-depth answer.
I'll do some more research with the provided links, and will probably flash something tonight.
Thanks again.
tehkingo said:
Thanks you so much for your in-depth answer.
I'll do some more research with the provided links, and will probably flash something tonight.
Thanks again.
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No problem. I would suggest trying them all, since there are differences between each of them.
tehkingo said:
As much as I am grateful that people are paying attention to this thread and attempting to answer, this is the 2nd non-answer I've received so far.
I know each ROM has different features, that's why I made this thread.
I know CM isn't just straight AOSP.
My issue is that unlike most of the Sense ROMs, these JB ROMs have no feature list at all, and don't even cite any sort of changelog. Thus, I can't make an informed decision on which ROM to flash.
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It was directed more twards the poster above me. My pizza got delivered in the middle of typing so I had to go let the guy in. Sorry my post was so short and abrupt.
SoraX did a great job of explaining the main goals/differences between the ROMS>
The reason there isnt a changelog is because at this point the developers are more focused on getting things working 100%. Its the nature of the beast.
Rxpert said:
It was directed more twards the poster above me. My pizza got delivered in the middle of typing so I had to go let the guy in. Sorry my post was so short and abrupt.
SoraX did a great job of explaining the main goals/differences between the ROMS>
The reason there isnt a changelog is because at this point the developers are more focused on getting things working 100%. Its the nature of the beast.
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Ah, gotcha. Sorry for the attitude.
Related
This is not a thread for "which one is better."
I've not found anywhere in the i777 forums a description of how the two AOSP roms relate in similarities and differences, something I believe would be a common question.
From my googling, it appears that AOKP has all of the same features as CM9, just with a different interface.
Those of you who know best: care to share your wisdom of other differences?
From what I've seen, AOKP is kind of a smaller project than CM in terms of device coverage, but that allows them to implement more features it seems. I found a pretty quick and simple write-up here: http://knowmydroid.com/blog/what-is-aokp-rom-how-is-it-different-from-cm9
I tried them both, I'm staying with AOKP
tysj said:
From what I've seen, AOKP is kind of a smaller project than CM in terms of device coverage, but that allows them to implement more features it seems. I found a pretty quick and simple write-up here: http://knowmydroid.com/blog/what-is-aokp-rom-how-is-it-different-from-cm9
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Great article!
Thanks for the thread, OP. I had been wondering this myself. I would like to use stock ICS (a la Galaxy Nexus) on my gs2, but CM9 and AOKP seem as close as I'm going to get for now (unless it's out there and I'm just not seeing it). Regardless, CM9 was giving me fits with a couple of games that I like to play and I used AOKP for a couple of hours, but that's about it. I'm not sure which is closer to stock ICS, but I'm told that CM9 is.
College kids nowadays, are so smart. Good for them.
Great read. Im leaning more towards AOKP. Been running Tasks rom for a few days and im loving it.
I did use cm9 for a while but now on AOKP and just loving it
It's really very snappy and great battery life
Task did a wonderful job
I've leaned more towards using AOKP, it's speedy, feature packed and more stable in comparison to the CM9 Nightlies. Until there's a stable release, I'm sticking with AOKP.
AOKP is really amazing, it's a great work put by people that care a lot about quality.
CM9 is breakthrough, it's the base pillar of several roms and it has really talented people contributing to it. Without CM support many devices wouldn't have AOSP ICS.
Both are great choices no matter which one you pick.
Fortunately we have great guys like atinm, codeworkx, Entropy and task (among others) that make this happen.
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Thanks for the thread, OP. I had been wondering this myself. I would like to use stock ICS (a la Galaxy Nexus) on my gs2, but CM9 and AOKP seem as close as I'm going to get for now (unless it's out there and I'm just not seeing it). Regardless, CM9 was giving me fits with a couple of games that I like to play and I used AOKP for a couple of hours, but that's about it. I'm not sure which is closer to stock ICS, but I'm told that CM9 is.
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I also had this need and came across this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1601518
This was my first flashed ROM so have nothing to compare to other than stock Sammy Touchwiz'd ICS but it is great. Might just be what you're looking for.
tysj said:
From what I've seen, AOKP is kind of a smaller project than CM in terms of device coverage, but that allows them to implement more features it seems. I found a pretty quick and simple write-up here: http://knowmydroid.com/blog/what-is-aokp-rom-how-is-it-different-from-cm9
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Excellent report, thanks for sharing bro
skblr said:
I did use cm9 for a while but now on AOKP and just loving it
It's really very snappy and great battery life
Task did a wonderful job
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x2.
Why isnt i777 supported directly by AOKP? Is it because they are on a much smaller scale compared to CM? Will the i777 ever get AOKP direct support at some point? Not that it matters, Task650's Roms is badass as it is but I still wonder why it isnt supported.
I also have used both and I was a huge supporter of CM. I like AOKP better. As it stands right now I think AOKP is more polished and has more features currently. When CM9 comes more along I'm sure it will be equally as good. I flashed CM9 the day before yesterday just to see what progress has been made. I see they merged the custom lockscreen stuff and some other things, but I still found there were some things in AOKP that I missed so I flashed right back to AOKP. The good thing I must say is that both are AOSP and can usually go between the two without wiping data. I went from AOKP, to CM9, back to AOKP without doing a data wipe (just wiped the caches) and everything worked fine
tysj said:
From what I've seen, AOKP is kind of a smaller project than CM in terms of device coverage, but that allows them to implement more features it seems. I found a pretty quick and simple write-up here: http://knowmydroid.com/blog/what-is-aokp-rom-how-is-it-different-from-cm9
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It's a good article but it's quite dated given the number of nightly updates since it was written. CM9 has come a long way in terms of features that have been added:
- Theme manager
- Profiles, which allow you to control features available in the power saver option
- Lock screen shortcut configuration
- Galaxy SII specific advanced features
- Performance options OC, governor, etc.
Right now, other than the weather on the notification bar, you can get pretty much get in CM9 the same features in AOKP.
One thing that AOKP doesn't have is the ability to update to the latest nightly through ROM Manager in a few (4) clicks. That's is a big plus if you are an update junkie.
In any case my recommendation is that you try them both. It's all a matter of personal choice.
projekt1 said:
Why isnt i777 supported directly by AOKP? Is it because they are on a much smaller scale compared to CM? Will the i777 ever get AOKP direct support at some point? Not that it matters, Task650's Roms is badass as it is but I still wonder why it isnt supported.
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It's all about kernel sources. The ICS kernel sources have not been released for the i777, so the AOKP team won't touch it.
I had started a thread I just got the official ICS Upgrade
In that thread some had indicated that a custom ROM should
be used and not the the official ICS Upgrade from AT&T.
In an effort to not get that thread of track i will ask here:
What is the real difference with the AT&T Official ICS ROM and the Custom ROMs?
I am fully aware AT&T has loaded a bunch of junk in,
and I went through and disables and deleted much of it.
But what truly is so awful about it?
And if it truly is so bad, what is the "Correct" ROM to use?
Thank you
No such thing as correct or incorrect, it is all personal taste. Some might like one ROM over another. Does that make it better than another? Nope.
Take cars for example. Some people like to leave it stock. Some might like to increase its performance and add engine modifications. Some might like it to handle the roads better so they might upgrade its suspension. Others might like to change its appearance and paint it and add body-kits. Is one car better than the other? Depends on who you ask.
Harry_Y said:
I had started a thread I just got the official ICS Upgrade
In that thread some had indicated that a custom ROM should
be used and not the the official ICS Upgrade from AT&T.
In an effort to not get that thread of track i will ask here:
What is the real difference with the AT&T Official ICS ROM and the Custom ROMs?
I am fully aware AT&T has loaded a bunch of junk in,
and I went through and disables and deleted much of it.
But what truly is so awful about it?
And if it truly is so bad, what is the "Correct" ROM to use?
Thank you
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This thread will get real out of hand.
But before it dissapears. the main reason most of us say its bad, is with the history of At&t's releases. They mess stuff up, have issues within the kernals, and a big BIG issue with them right now that w/o source, we dont know if its fixed.
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gsrrr said:
No such thing as correct or incorrect, it is all personal taste. Some might like one ROM over another. Does that make it better than another? Nope. .
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not taste/opinion in the fact(from their history) that the coding is a mess. and broken everywhere.
You come to a developer forum to run fully stock?
That's what goes through my head when I see people afraid of flashing.
If you want the AT&T firmware at least wait for somebody to post a debloated version since your going to disable them anyways or actually learn how to do it yourself. Since you have access to the forum with so much information.
Maybe take it 1 step further and grab the AT&T firmware and customize it to your liking, you don't even have to post it just use it.
This isn't a great thread cause Versus threads go nowhere...
MotoMudder77 said:
This thread will get real out of hand.
But before it dissapears. the main reason most of us say its bad, is with the history of At&t's releases.
They mess stuff up, have issues within the kernals, and a big BIG issue with them right now that w/o source, we dont know if its fixed.
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Thank you
Harry_Y said:
I had started a thread I just got the official ICS Upgrade
In that thread some had indicated that a custom ROM should
be used and not the the official ICS Upgrade from AT&T.
In an effort to not get that thread of track i will ask here:
What is the real difference with the AT&T Official ICS ROM and the Custom ROMs?
I am fully aware AT&T has loaded a bunch of junk in,
and I went through and disables and deleted much of it.
But what truly is so awful about it?
And if it truly is so bad, what is the "Correct" ROM to use?
Thank you
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Dude. Do the math. You're posting in a development forum that strives on customizing, building, and creating custom sh$t for our devices. Why would you think that 90% of the people here are looking for and using custom roms?
gsrrr said:
No such thing as correct or incorrect, it is all personal taste.
Some might like one ROM over another. Does that make it better than another? Nope.
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I can appreciate people wanting to customize their devices.
That being said customizing just for the sake of customizing is not really
of interest to me; Increased functionality or an issue being corrected is.
So the real question for me would be what real issues with the
Stock ROM get corrected? and what Real features get added.
Thank you
task650 said:
Dude. Do the math. You're posting in a development forum that strives on customizing, building, and creating custom sh$t for our devices. Why would you think that 90% of the people here are looking for and using custom roms?
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I fully understand that, I also realize people get emotionally attached to things.
What I'm trying to learn is what is the Real advantage with the custom ROM.
Thank you
Harry_Y said:
I fully understand that, I also realize people get emotionally attached to things.
What I'm trying to learn is what is the Real advantage with the custom ROM.
Thank you
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Go to the dev section, pick a random rom thread and look at the features.
That is just an example of what is beneficial.
Harry_Y said:
I fully understand that, I also realize people get emotionally attached to things.
What I'm trying to learn is what is the Real advantage with the custom ROM.
Thank you
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There are many different things. Mods add to the functionality of the phone. Take the 14 toggle mod for instance, no need to enter settings to change common things. Skip tracks with volume buttons. You can also increase battery life with various kernels by UV/uc. It allows you to make your phone function and do what you want it to. The stock firmware is too limiting in this ability
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Harry_Y said:
I can appreciate people wanting to customize their devices.
That being said customizing just for the sake of customizing is not really
of interest to me; Increased functionality or an issue being corrected is.
So the real question for me would be what real issues with the
Stock ROM get corrected? and what Real features get added.
Thank you
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Of course there is an increase in functionality or else why would devs create custom ROMs. What each ROM has that differs from others are listed in their respective threads. Check it out and see if any interest you. If you are satisfied with stock, stay stock. Not a big deal.
LiLChris06 said:
You come to a developer forum to run fully stock?
That's what goes through my head when I see people afraid of flashing.
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Honestly, I used to hang around here for the community - but that's quickly turning me into a simple lurker.
I'm extremely interested in the developers work. However, I find that the stock factory firmwares are every bit as good or stable as anything that gets turned out in the dev areas. The stock ROMs also do everything I need and want. Plus, I don't like AOSP Android, and that seems to be what everybody is focusing on these days. Also, the 3rd party roms generally have too much changed, removed or added for my tastes.
Edit: Oh, and while I generally like the OEMs code, I have no problem using a good 3rd party kernel.
AT&T releases are typically buggy. The developers here either fix those bugs, or use firmware bases from the international version that are more robust and stable. It is too early to know what bugs this UCLE5 release may contain, but the original AT&T UCKH7 firmware had lockscreen security issues, the official AT&T update UCKK6 broken bluetooth hid and serious power management issues. The AT&T ICS leaks leading up to this version, UCLD3 and UCLD4 had a very serious flaw in the kernel which caused several people with the I777 to lose their device due to eMMC chip damage. Since the kernel source code for the current official AT&T UCLE5 has not been released yet, it is not possible to confirm that the kernel supplied with the UCLE5 release is free of this serious issue. Therefore, it would be advisable to either not run this firmware, or use a modified rooted version in which the kernel is replaced with a known safe kernel.
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AT&T releases are typically buggy. The developers here either fix those bugs, or use firmware bases from the international version that are more robust and stable. It is too early to know what bugs this UCLE5 release may contain, but the original AT&T UCKH7 firmware had lockscreen security issues, the official AT&T update UCKK6 broken bluetooth hid and serious power management issues. The AT&T ICS leaks leading up to this version, UCLD3 and UCLD4 had a very serious flaw in the kernel which caused several people with the I777 to lose their device due to eMMC chip damage. Since the kernel source code for the current official AT&T UCLE5 has not been released yet, it is not possible to confirm that the kernel supplied with the UCLE5 release is free of this serious issue. Therefore, it would be advisable to either not run this firmware, or use a modified rooted version in which the kernel is replaced with a known safe kernel.
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Thank you for a very clear explanation.
raduque said:
Honestly, I used to hang around here for the community - but that's quickly turning me into a simple lurker.
I'm extremely interested in the developers work. However, I find that the stock factory firmwares are every bit as good or stable as anything that gets turned out in the dev areas. The stock ROMs also do everything I need and want. Plus, I don't like AOSP Android, and that seems to be what everybody is focusing on these days. Also, the 3rd party roms generally have too much changed, removed or added for my tastes.
Edit: Oh, and while I generally like the OEMs code, I have no problem using a good 3rd party kernel.
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you definitely haven't been running an android device if you say this (marked in BOLD). Considering the fact that for our device in particular, they have released BS that is not only buggy as hell, but has bricked a ton of devices. I think you should probably do a little research before making such bold comments. :laugh:
I got board enough to try the full LE5 including kernel. So far better than D4 and previous ics. Tegrak works as it does on the 9100 base kernels so that tells me i777 is catching up or has caught up. Could be just odex, but all benchmarks higher than on any of the aokp or 9100 sammy roms I've tried.
I'd like to see someone customize this if it remains stable. I've added 15 toggle from other roms, but I jusy like having firmware meant for device.
I-777 UCLE5
Tegrak oc/uv 1.452 ghz
Stable & Fast
task650 said:
you definitely haven't been running an android device if you say this (marked in BOLD). Considering the fact that for our device in particular, they have released BS that is not only buggy as hell, but has bricked a ton of devices. I think you should probably do a little research before making such bold comments. :laugh:
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lol
I've been running Android devices and flashing firmwares since 2009.
I also haven't seen any of the bugs or issues mentioned on this forum. Doesn't mean they don't exist. The stock 2.3 rom that came with my GS2 from AT&T was amazingly, impressively stable compared to what came with my Vibrant, or even ANY of the community roms for it.
UCLE5 bug:
unable to use wide image for wallpaper, so you can only get a fixed wallpaper, not a scrolling wallpaper. This bug was present in the leaks, and has not been fixed in the official release.
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UCLE5 bug:
unable to use wide image for wallpaper, so you can only get a fixed wallpaper, not a scrolling wallpaper. This bug was present in the leaks, and has not been fixed in the official release.
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IMO, non issue.
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IMO, non issue.
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Yes, many would not care. Many would. Ask AT&T or Samsung, and they will probably say it is a feature.
Does anyone know if Team Synergy will be making a rom for the Vzw Note 2??
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I loved Synergy on GS3, was my daily driver. Would love to see it here but I doubt it
I wish...
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lol you guys...how many stock based touchwiz roms do we need? you guys realize all these roms are completely stock that have been themed and modded. with a little intuition, those mods can be done yourself. take a stock odin image, place it in dsixdas kitchen, add your mods, package it up, and you now have the same thing posted in 90% of the sgs3 forum.
What is dsixdas???
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Just Googled it.... Now I want to build Roms..... Gonna have to try this.
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Team Synergy put out some sick tweaks for my old HTC devices (sprint). Haven't used them in over a year but would love to see some more action over here whether its "stock" based tweaks or not. They may even dabble in some AOSP. Not sure.
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As droidstyle said, customized stock roms are basically, well - stock based roms with build.prop/init.d tweaks. I like to go back to stock deodexed Verizon rom and debloat/tweak the rom myself because that's where I find the most fun. Custom Touchwiz roms seem to take that fun away from me
Also, search the internet, there's plenty of info on lists of build.prop and init.d tweaks that boost performance and save battery on your phone.
droidstyle said:
lol you guys...how many stock based touchwiz roms do we need? you guys realize all these roms are completely stock that have been themed and modded. with a little intuition, those mods can be done yourself. take a stock odin image, place it in dsixdas kitchen, add your mods, package it up, and you now have the same thing posted in 90% of the sgs3 forum.
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Oh my. A voice of reason!!!!
DroidOnRoids said:
As droidstyle said, customized stock roms are basically, well - stock based roms with build.prop/init.d tweaks. I like to go back to stock deodexed Verizon rom and debloat/tweak the rom myself because that's where I find the most fun. Custom Touchwiz roms seem to take that fun away from me
Also, search the internet, there's plenty of info on lists of build.prop and init.d tweaks that boost performance and save battery on your phone.
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Most of which are snake oil, like a lot of performance tweaks devs claim to put in.
I say we open up a donation thread so we can get Team Synergy on board!! Their roms are sooo bad ass!! LOL Just kidding guys! :silly:
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lol you guys...how many stock based touchwiz roms do we need? you guys realize all these roms are completely stock that have been themed and modded. with a little intuition, those mods can be done yourself. take a stock odin image, place it in dsixdas kitchen, add your mods, package it up, and you now have the same thing posted in 90% of the sgs3 forum.
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As many as possible, it's called variety. I'm busy and I don't want to do the mods myself.... I like donating to devs to do it for me...that's why most of us are here.
Also one of the great things about Synergy for the GS3 was the nightly builds. Again, I didn't have to do the work myself, received nightly updates/tweaks and simply donated to compensate for their time and work.
Personally, I figure the more devs working on the Verizon Note 2 the better regardless of what they use as a base for their ROM.
You can only do so much with a zip rom. Nightly builds are pretty ridiculous for zip roms. If nightly builds actually did something notable, the rom would be completely rewritten from scratch within a month.
It simply doesn't happen and is misleading.
Here is what I have seen from nightly builds of zip roms:
1. Nothing changes from one build to the next.
2. Things are broken, then fixed, broken, then fixed. However, nothing is actually accomplished.
3. Why are we calling them builds? They aren't building crap except maybe an apk or two.
adrynalyne said:
You can only do so much with a zip rom. Nightly builds are pretty ridiculous for zip roms. If nightly builds actually did something notable, the rom would be completely rewritten from scratch within a month.
It simply doesn't happen and is misleading.
Here is what I have seen from nightly builds of zip roms:
1. Nothing changes from one build to the next.
2. Things are broken, then fixed, broken, then fixed. However, nothing is actually accomplished.
3. Why are we calling them builds? They aren't building crap except maybe an apk or two.
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I totally agree with you. I had the GS3 and ran pretty much every ROM available for it while I had it. Nothing against Team Synergy, but their ROM always had some type of issue or another. Which I thought was insane for a stock based ROM.
And then the nightlies started happening and like you said, things would break and then be fixed, etc. I finally just gave up and started running CleanROM and Beans. Both were more stable and to be honest, performed better.
I never got the lovefest for the Synergy ROM on the GS3, but that's just me.
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I also don't have the time to do this myself either. I work 50 odd hours a week and have two kiddos. I also have no idea what I am doing. I would love to learn more about all of this. If someone can put up a link for a good starting point to learn that would be awesome.
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You can only do so much with a zip rom. Nightly builds are pretty ridiculous for zip roms. If nightly builds actually did something notable, the rom would be completely rewritten from scratch within a month.
It simply doesn't happen and is misleading.
Here is what I have seen from nightly builds of zip roms:
1. Nothing changes from one build to the next.
2. Things are broken, then fixed, broken, then fixed. However, nothing is actually accomplished.
3. Why are we calling them builds? They aren't building crap except maybe an apk or two.
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Nobody forces you to download nightlies. I do agree that at some point the nightlies can start doing more harm than good but it's up to the end user to know when it's time to get off the train. I've only ever had good experiences with devs who produce nightlies. If I felt like I was getting a service from nightlies, I donated, if not, I didn't. Simple as that.
Whether you feel forced to download them or not is irrelevant. They are quite pointless.
So if these arguments hold up, there should only be two or three roms per device. Touchwiz (or whatever ui is used by the manufacturer), AOSP or AOKP. Everything else is just tweaks and build prop edits. Not understanding the arguments here. Especially from other devs.
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So if these arguments hold up, there should only be two or three roms per device. Touchwiz (or whatever ui is used by the manufacturer), AOSP or AOKP. Everything else is just tweaks and build prop edits. Not understanding the arguments here. Especially from other devs.
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I haven't looked to see what other devs are saying, but the only thing I said was that nightlies for a zip rom are 100% pointless.
Source built roms are different.
adrynalyne said:
Whether you feel forced to download them or not is irrelevant. They are quite pointless.
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Maybe to you, but they were far from pointless to myself and many others.
Guys, I've lost touch with this thread since I've gone to the Note II on Verizon. I am wanting to give my brother my old Note since he has AT&T and the phone is just sitting unused, but I left my previous Note being a mess with force closes and all and he is not good with technology so I want the most stable ROM for him that I can overclock too. Any recommendations on ROM's and Kernels? I would like Jelly Bean if possible. Suggestions would be appreciated and then I'll check them out. Thanks.
Just return it to stock.
Does this mean there's nothing stable but stock!
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caaznkid said:
Does this mean there's nothing stable but stock!
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No, but it does mean that if you ask the question of 10 people, you'll get 10 different answers back. Some people will flash a new ROM, not have a reboot in 24 hours, and consider that "stable". It doesn't sound like the OP's brother will care about a rooted phone or running custom ROMs, so reverting it back to stock will probably be best for him.
Agreed.....
Stock phone would likely be best in this application...g
BUMP.
I haven't had time but am on a week long vacation and really want to do this now. Stock is not really the answer I want. I would like to know the most stable ROM made that keeps all the Samsung apps and S Pen usability, but even more than that is running Jelly Bean. Can anyone point me to which posts to look at and decide, or just give me their opinion on them if they use them. And what is the best kernel for that, cause I would like to overclock. I will start looking myself, but would love to hear some opinions, not just "stick to stock". I have ran many, many ROMs over the years that were pretty stable without being stock. I am just out of touch with the Note 1 as I have had the Note 2 for awhile and hadn't done anything to my Note 1 in quite some time. I believe I was running Paranoid Android (charging it now) but would prefer a closer to stock based ROM. Thanks. I would rather have Jelly Bean over the Samsung apps and S Pen apps, so the most stable or Jelly Bean ROMs would be good to know.
DavidT909 said:
BUMP.
I haven't had time but am on a week long vacation and really want to do this now. Stock is not really the answer I want. I would like to know the most stable ROM made that keeps all the Samsung apps and S Pen usability, but even more than that is running Jelly Bean. Can anyone point me to which posts to look at and decide, or just give me their opinion on them if they use them. And what is the best kernel for that, cause I would like to overclock. I will start looking myself, but would love to hear some opinions, not just "stick to stock". I have ran many, many ROMs over the years that were pretty stable without being stock. I am just out of touch with the Note 1 as I have had the Note 2 for awhile and hadn't done anything to my Note 1 in quite some time. I believe I was running Paranoid Android (charging it now) but would prefer a closer to stock based ROM. Thanks. I would rather have Jelly Bean over the Samsung apps and S Pen apps, so the most stable or Jelly Bean ROMs would be good to know.
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I cant offer you a JB stock build for our note 1, because that build does not exist.
Since kernel source for JB has not been released, we are forced to use the JB framework blobs, combined with a modified ICS kernel.
This leaves us a broken rom, that has many working features, and is for the most part stable. But like all custom builds, leaves us with some bugs.
The "leave it stock" statement is not meant to be offensive. It simply is the truth at this point, as we have no official, "stable" JB builds. Although this site does offer many high quality JB variant builds. And no one person can tell you the best one, as our usage habits differ so greatly. You simply need to read the threads, and base your opinion on the user reports from the threads.
It is our hope that Samsung will release an update for us, and open the door on some amazing JB work. but until that happens, we will have bugs, and broken functionality.
I use a very nice ICS build on occasion, as I feel that it offers the best performance, balanced with a feature rich rom.
FlappJaxxx UCLF6 build #12 is my top pick at the moment.
Unfortunately, the rules prevent my linking the rom directly for you, as the developer is no longer on XDA. but his works can be found at rootdev.org in it's complete form. and I for one feel that until we see an official update, no better ICS/ JB variant work can be found than his.
and I'm sure that if/when the update comes, the same will be said for his quality of builds in the JB framework and beyond.
He has true talent for building outstanding code. And you are well served using his wares. I hold much respect for Flappjaxxx, despite his leaving XDA. And I'm greatful to have his work at my disposal.
Good luck in your search, and happy flashing.....g
gregsarg said:
I cant offer you a JB stock build for our note 1, because that build does not exist.
Since kernel source for JB has not been released, we are forced to use the JB framework blobs, combined with a modified ICS kernel.
This leaves us a broken rom, that has many working features, and is for the most part stable. But like all custom builds, leaves us with some bugs.
The "leave it stock" statement is not meant to be offensive. It simply is the truth at this point, as we have no official, "stable" JB builds. Although this site does offer many high quality JB variant builds. And no one person can tell you the best one, as our usage habits differ so greatly. You simply need to read the threads, and base your opinion on the user reports from the threads.
It is our hope that Samsung will release an update for us, and open the door on some amazing JB work. but until that happens, we will have bugs, and broken functionality.
I use a very nice ICS build on occasion, as I feel that it offers the best performance, balanced with a feature rich rom.
FlappJaxxx UCLF6 build #12 is my top pick at the moment.
Unfortunately, the rules prevent my linking the rom directly for you, as the developer is no longer on XDA. but his works can be found at rootdev.org in it's complete form. and I for one feel that until we see an official update, no better ICS/ JB variant work can be found than his.
and I'm sure that if/when the update comes, the same will be said for his quality of builds in the JB framework and beyond.
He has true talent for building outstanding code. And you are well served using his wares. I hold much respect for Flappjaxxx, despite his leaving XDA. And I'm greatful to have his work at my disposal.
Good luck in your search, and happy flashing.....g
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Thanks for the reply. I remember Flappjaxxx. I will definitely take a look at this. I know all ROMs have problems. Just looking for a more stable than others one that is more up to date than just stock. Thanks, will give it a try.
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Thanks for the reply. I remember Flappjaxxx. I will definitely take a look at this. I know all ROMs have problems. Just looking for a more stable than others one that is more up to date than just stock. Thanks, will give it a try.
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Always welcome....g
Found the ROM. Which kernel and modem are you using?
DavidT909 said:
Found the ROM. Which kernel and modem are you using?
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Use the kernel already present in the rom...
And use the UCLF6 modem.....g
I'd recommend ptmr3's Padawan V8 7005 Base OR Padawan 5.1 UCLF6 . I've been running Padawan ROMs for 5 months and they all have been pretty stable. Take a look! :good:
Flapjaxxxx's FJKang is really stable, along with his h0tcakez kernel. It's 4.2.2 JB, too.
One of my favorite roms is definitely AOCP 4.1.2. Not the latest jb but by far one of the most stable roms I've ever used.
jibjab90 said:
One of my favorite roms is definitely AOCP 4.1.2. Not the latest jb but by far one of the most stable roms I've ever used.
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Do you mean this one?
[ROM/MOD]*TheCollective*[02-26-13] AoCP - CP5<VBTE> {4.2.2} for i717
lolTrout said:
Flapjaxxxx's FJKang is really stable, along with his h0tcakez kernel. It's 4.2.2 JB, too.
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I was searching for stable as well. This one seems to be a good choice.
So is jelly beer.
Zeddock.
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DavidT909 said:
Do you mean this one?
[ROM/MOD]*TheCollective*[02-26-13] AoCP - CP5<VBTE> {4.2.2} for i717
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Yes, but the 4.1.2 build. That one is 4.2.2 and while it is pretty stable I still find the 4.1.2 version to be a bit more solid. There's a link to older builds in that thread I believe.
I am not an expert. I know very little about these ROMs.
I AM A USER.
I always look for a stable but capable, and fast ROM. I love some of the freedoms these flashes give to me, and some of the "flow" of using my phone is better when stupid stuff is turned off and productive stuff is turned on and preinstalled.
Everyone is different and that is why many EXPERTS here will suggest trying each one.
For me, I do NOT like flashing. I do it when I feel there is a reasonable step forward or I hit issues and support dwindles for my current ROM.
All that said... Today...
I am pretty happy with flapp jaxxx and jellybeer.
Good luck. Hope this helps! Just my simple perspective... From a USER.
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Hey everyone,
the idea of this thread is to see which ROMS are people using the most. Feel free to post your opinions, always with respect to others.
Greetings.
lKBZl said:
Hey everyone,
the idea of this thread is to see which ROMS are people using the most. Feel free to post your opinions, always with respect to others.
Greetings.
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Surely AOKP won't be the winner by a longshot.
The list should probably be condensed a bit. Like including both paranoid android rom's into the same category, maybe merging the ones that build from the CM10.1 source into a single category.
EniGmA1987 said:
The list should probably be condensed a bit. Like including both paranoid android rom's into the same category, maybe merging the ones that build from the CM10.1 source into a single category.
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At the beggining I just made an option for paranoid, but then I checked both threads and there were a couple of ppl using each one, so I though, why not separate them. In order to include the changes you said, I think it must be a moderator who does that, i'm not sure but I can't find how to edit the poll (never made one...). Thanks.
I was thinking of a poll to see one option you're missing is 'Stock Rom' Would be nice to also graph users that aren't using a custom rom and are instead just using google's official one.
And there should be a 'Other - please list your rom' option as a good chunk of people won't vote without 2 options if there not applicable to them so its going to be skewed for stats without them.
I think CleanROM should be included in the poll, as it's a quite popular ROM.
brGabriel said:
I think CleanROM should be included in the poll, as it's a quite popular ROM.
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In theory it was there, i'm not sure why it isn't. Totally failed doing my first poll lol. Any clue if I can edit the poll or it must be an admin?
I use Pac on my nexus 10 and also on my sgs2, because i think PA is very useful especially on the nexus, but it´s nut enough customisation, so the mixture between PA and AOKP is great.
So i only can advise you to give PACman a try
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In theory it was there, i'm not sure why it isn't. Totally failed doing my first poll lol. Any clue if I can edit the poll or it must be an admin?
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Think the admins/mods need to edit the poll hopefully they will be nice enough to do so as this poll would be worthwhile for all of us here with nexus 10's
I sent a non urgent report so the mods can see it and hopefully be nice enough to update the thread.
I use AOKP with KTManta... AOKP Milestone, official download.
updated to Kaos Droid's new ROM, so far seems good
MrRobinson's AOKP PUB with KTManta kernel here.
Carbon Nightly!!
I must say, I'm pretty stoked with 2nd place so far!!
Been testing different ROMs like Roobox, Tasker, Liquidsmooth, I am using Carbon for now. I like AOKP too will try Sentinel next. So many ROMs to try too much fun.
Don't forget kaos droid... Awesome rom and the dev is very willing to add custom features
I've tried nearly everyone on the list. But I always end up going back to the AOKP PUB builds. I fluctuate between the builds by Bigxie and Mr. Robinson - depending on who has a more recent build. No other ROM I've used has all the customization options I'm looking for (including my #1 must-have Tablet UI) as well as including the increased speed and fluidness. With that said, it's great they there's so many options for the device. It's one of the reason I love Nexus devices.
I liked pacrom but had to switch back to paranoid android because ps3 controller wouldn't connect to sixaxis
*edit ps3 controller now connecting since flashing the newest pacrom.
Just got my N10 a couple of days ago and I'm looking for a ROM. Which one of the AOKP custom roms are the best?
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Just got my N10 a couple of days ago and I'm looking for a ROM. Which one of the AOKP custom roms are the best?
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Start off with aokp pub build or task650 both are smooth but try them all and see which one is to your liking
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