So Im a closeted webos lover, its true. Had hp not fouled things up worse I would be on a HP Pre whatever this very moment. Open WebOS has hit, is any devs at all interested? Anyone care?
I would definitely run a webos ROM!
Me too
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Same here!!
Not sure what it would take to get webos up and runnin, but god I hope someone decided to make it happen. I too would still be on webos if HP wouldn't have screwed up so hard. Its wishful thinking that we will ever see webos on our Photon, but one can dream.
Well, crossing my fingers in hopes of someone picking up this type of project. Ran across some new palm pres on ebay for under 50. Almost bit "still might" just as a backup phone to play with every so often.
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If someone had a way to run android apps on webos it would be back on my tp
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Didn't they do this with the evo 3d a long time ago?
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edozier said:
If someone had a way to run android apps on webos it would be back on my tp
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Check the link
http://m.webosnation.com/openmobile-working-hp-make-android-apps-webos-reality
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I don't miss my Pre, but I miss WebOS!
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Multitasking was the best on webos.
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I will pay the first dev to get it up
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I'll try and do something with it. I'm busy as all hell with work/class/study, but I've been wanting WebOS on an Android phone since my HTC Hero (lol, I actually had a dev team trying to port WebOS from the Pre to the Hero). Not promising anything since I'm not like an uber dev, but I'll try.
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Check the link
http://m.webosnation.com/openmobile-working-hp-make-android-apps-webos-reality
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Saw it a while back but never saw a working copy.
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its cool
This was a post I replied to a couple of months ago.
This is an actual "Long Answer" as to why webos ported to android would be harder than thought , found this post on the 'WebOSnation.com' forums
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A lot for the following depends on the device in question. If it's older and shares a LOT of components and the chipset as an existing webOS device, this will be far less painful. If it's a current device or something in the future, this is gonna get VERY costly and painful.
1. Time. Unless you aren't married and have no children, you probably don't have enough. Exceptions apply.
2. Money. To buy devices to test from, with knowledge you'll brick many along the way.
3. Intimate knowledge of the OS being ported.
4. Intimate knowledge of the various hardware architectures being ported to.
5. The know-how to port webOS to entirely new CPU/GPU chipsets as necessary.
6. Intimate knowledge of UX/Interaction Design to change interface metaphors if the target device(s) don't support it.
7. Hardware device driver development knowledge to support novel hardware components.
8. The ability to get spec sheets directly from the manufacturer (often from China) if they don't exist online.
9. The ability to execute on all of the above in a near-flawless manner.
10. Further time to ensure all of the above are updated as necessary.
A person that can do this as a career can make around $250,000-$350,000 a year if they can do it single-handedly, and I know of no-one who can in a vacuum. It takes an entire team with their own specializations working in tandem to do it unless you want the first release on the initial device target to fall somewhere in 2018.
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I've just been watching loads of YouTube videos about people trying to install android on iPhones. My question is why?? Android is open source and iOS is closed source. Android users don't see developers porting iOS to android devices do we? Because its pointless and its never going to work. If they want android....buy an android device....simples
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1, to do what is unconventional
2, to bring it to an apple store and piss off the apple fanboys
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Android was designed so that it could be installed on any device. It's up to the developers to fix the drivers to work. Practical? No. Do it because we can? Hell yea!
Edit: for Yall that didn't know.. we got android on microwaves and washing machines now. Seriously. Look it up.
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Android was designed so that it could be installed on any device. It's up to the developers to fix the drivers to work. Practical? No. Do it because we can? Hell yea!
Edit: for Yall that didn't know.. we got android on microwaves and washing machines now. Seriously. Look it up.
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I just don't get it because nothing works on the iPhone version. So then its pretty much pointless. That's like me having iOS on my i9000 but nothing working within lol waste of space and pointless in my opinion
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- as a challenge, to see if it's possible and if they'll get it working
- as a hobby
And last but not least:
- because they can
Or to say it completely freely:
- for the lulz
There doesn't need to be a deeper meaning behind such endeavors. They're geeks. Let them be geeks. Different people do all sorts of different stuff, these people port their favorite OS to every device they can get their hands on.
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Because they thought the iPhone was better than android and when they bought it and used an android phone they were pissed they got such a crappy phone.
Plain and simple.
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+1 its just ridiculous, want android?? Get an android phone right? Lol
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This is great news! Maybe we could finally see the os ported to Android after all. In the mean time a webOS developer has already installed it on his EVO 3D. I'd love to see this project take off in the Android community its a long time coming....
http://mobile.theverge.com/2011/12/...r-htcs-evo-3d-a-proof-of-concept-for-the-time
http://m.bgr.com/2011/12/09/hp-cuts-its-losses-makes-webos-open-source/
This is just what WebOS needed, its a great operating system just didn't have any good devices. Hope to see it on the mopho.
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This is just what WebOS needed, its a great operating system just didn't have any good devices. Hope to see it on the mopho.
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Its already on the 3D I don't see why not. I'm sure whatever dev takes on porting it to whatever phone is going to have their hands full but still cool proof of concept.
Wasn't rinehart thinking of doing it for the Hero a long time ago?
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Wasn't rinehart thinking of doing it for the Hero a long time ago?
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Yup lol. I was around when that was going down!
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Yup lol. I was around when that was going down!
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Same here! We're old school like that
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And everyone got mad when it didn't happen now it's even more possible......
Off topic I still have my hero just loaded ics on it to play.....can't wait to see aosp on the photon
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And everyone got mad when it didn't happen now it's even more possible......
Off topic I still have my hero just loaded ics on it to play.....can't wait to see aosp on the photon
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How is it? Is it stable? I gave my hero to my mom. She hates it with a passion! It's been acting up a bit. Plus the battery isn't holding much of a charge. Guess the trusty hero will finally come to a rest :sad:
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I'm glad it's open source, I own a touchpad and I've still yet to put Android on it. I love Android but I find WebOS to be a pretty great OS as well, the card multi-tasking is just unparalleled on any other OS.
I'm hoping we get to see custom WebOS roms for both WebOS devices and Android devices, how awesome would that be?
Don't see the point in using webOS now. It has very little app support (nothing near android) and as far as I know, everything WebOS can do, Android can do too.
Its an abandoned OS from a practically non-existent company (Palm, though HP is around, they aren't exactly bolstering it in the same that Apple does for iOS, Google does for Android and Microsoft for WP7).
I see this development as mainly a curiosity. I can see the touchpad crowd interested, but I'd much rather use Android on my Android devices (e.g. Photon).
Its dead jim, put a fork in it...
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Don't see the point in using webOS now. It has very little app support (nothing near android) and as far as I know, everything WebOS can do, Android can do too.
Its an abandoned OS from a practically non-existent company (Palm, though HP is around, they aren't exactly bolstering it in the same that Apple does for iOS, Google does for Android and Microsoft for WP7).
I see this development as mainly a curiosity. I can see the touchpad crowd interested, but I'd much rather use Android on my Android devices (e.g. Photon).
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you guys are missing the point, its a matter of because we can. why does anyone want cm7? this phone is plenty fast enough?.. why do people want miui? this phone is plenty pretty enough...
sides who knows perhaps one day there will be a merging of webos features with android features
imagine the good parts of webos being compiled into android. CM9 w/ card support. its like even wrapped in ice cream sandwhiches plated on webos cards!
If I can get my card multitasking back, I may just cry tears of joy.
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If I can get my card multitasking back, I may just cry tears of joy.
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WebOS card multitasking is better than any OS on the market (I've owned every mobile OS out there). Imagine the CM team or even Google taking bits and pieces from webos and cramming them in Android.
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WebOS card multitasking is better than any OS on the market (I've owned every mobile OS out there). Imagine the CM team or even Google taking bits and pieces from webos and cramming them in Android.
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Hasn't that already happened to a pretty big degree with ICS?
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Hasn't that already happened to a pretty big degree with ICS?
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Lmfao @ this guy ^^^^^ long time no see kid. Im not sure man I haven't ran an ics build yet but that would be nice.
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Lmfao @ this guy ^^^^^ long time no see kid. Im not sure man I haven't ran an ics build yet but that would be nice.
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I don't own a photon," kennypowders" or else I'd make sure you'd be graced with my presence on a daily basis.
It is what they've done.
More polished, apps button allows you to select which app quicker and more like webos and also the ability to swipe away apps to close them via that same menu.
Also, the removal of hardware buttons.
I have ICS running on the EVO, and while multitasking is certainly improved and in some ways similar to WebOS, the multitasking in WebOS is still superior.
However, Android does other things better than WebOS, and WebOS does some things better than Android. I enjoy both.
A merging of certain feature sets due to the open-source code would be pretty great.
I know it is very early.....but I was who seeing whether it was possible to port jellybean on HP touchpad via SDK....devs at Acer A500 have done it...
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I know it is very early.....but I was who seeing whether it was possible to port jellybean on HP touchpad via SDK....devs at Acer A500 have done it...
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it is possible... theres somebody on the evo 3D doing it, same chipset so its not a far fetched idea.....whether we get a working version, who knows, we'll have to wait for the cm team like last time and they never do things without source, and if anybody wants to port it via SDK, good luck i guess cuz i dont think anybody tried SDK ports for ICS on the touchpad
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it is possible... theres somebody on the evo 3D doing it, same chipset so its not a far fetched idea.....whether we get a working version, who knows, we'll have to wait for the cm team like last time and they never do things without source, and if anybody wants to port it via SDK, good luck i guess cuz i dont think anybody tried SDK ports for ICS on the touchpad
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And since Jelly Bean is just like a small step from ICS.... It shouldn't be that hard.... Only project butter stands in our way...
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I know it is very early.....but I was who seeing whether it was possible to port jellybean on HP touchpad via SDK....devs at Acer A500 have done it...
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They use unmodified cm9 kernel
So we just need someone to compile the sdk
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They use unmodified cm9 kernel
So we just need someone to compile the sdk
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And since Jelly Bean is just like a small step from ICS.... It shouldn't be that hard.... Only project butter stands in our way...
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don't be saying things down that road lol...you'll get alot of backlash like the e3d forums.....froyo to gingerbread wasn't a huge step but it took people a very long time. Lets just wait for source to be out next month it isnt a very long time. Then since the base framework is similar, it won't take that much longer then it should. I'm more interested in the PDK feature which gives basic source codes for the hardware side of things, exciting times
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don't be saying things down that road lol...you'll get alot of backlash like the e3d forums.....froyo to gingerbread wasn't a huge step but it took people a very long time. Lets just wait for source to be out next month it isnt a very long time. Then since the base framework is similar, it won't take that much longer then it should. I'm more interested in the PDK feature which gives basic source codes for the hardware side of things, exciting times
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U don't understand small step...the base is the same...the framework has been tweaked and the system has been made more fluid due to project butter so.....it should not be took hard to port from the sdk
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U don't understand small step...the base is the same...the framework has been tweaked and the system has been made more fluid due to project butter so.....it should not be took hard to port from the sdk
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Porting anything from the SDK has always been horrible, its not that easy and even if it were that isn't to say it'll be any good.
Remember those SDK ports of Honeycomb...horrendous. There's a reason nobody bothered with an SDK port of ICS for the Touchpad...there terrible.
I'm fine with just waiting until source code is ready. Unlike the switch from GB to ICS on a tablet which was huge, JB isn't really groundbreaking. It has some nice new features but after playing around in the SDK for a while I didn't really see anything that I couldn't wait a few months for.
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U don't understand small step...the base is the same...the framework has been tweaked and the system has been made more fluid due to project butter so.....it should not be took hard to port from the sdk
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I understand it perfectly......it is a small step yes, but in the grand scheme of things when you get an SDK port, when has it always worked perfectly?? If we're testing proof of concept here i can understand but you people want jelly bean to use straight away and to tinker with it. Devs I think have lives and if someone wanted to do it, they would've done it by now cuz its already being booted (albeit black screen) on the one x. Instead of the frustration of porting something using SDK they'd rather wait for source, because then people will start complaining that "this doesn't work, that doesn't work" so on and so forth
Anyone else think it's weird how they went back to the phone layout for the nexus 7? Will it be that way on larger tablets? I'm not a huge fan of how notifications work on my touchpad but the controls may be hard to reach if they go with a phone layout.
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I'd like to mess with SDK port. If a dev would do it. The port for one x has already been updated. They are really going at it...even if they know it wont ever fully work. Maybe they are just getting head start on development.
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its a waste of time. why would any dev spend their time on it,just to have to start over when the real source
comes out.
Why don't you ask the one x dev working on SDK port why he is deving it? Jb source will be out in 2 weeks.
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People do it because they want to. Why should that affect others?
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Anyone else think it's weird how they went back to the phone layout for the nexus 7? Will it be that way on larger tablets? I'm not a huge fan of how notifications work on my touchpad but the controls may be hard to reach if they go with a phone layout.
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while the current tablet ui layout is mostly functional, its not very pretty and a bit disjointed when coming from a phone version of android. it also doesnt allow manufacturers to put physical buttons on a tablet without them being redundant, and is called fragmented when compared to the ios on the iphone to ipad. it wouldnt surprise me if they went with this design as their new tablet layout. and it probably wouldnt be as bad as you think. with future cm9 or aokp customizations, youll probably be able to adjust the positions of the nav bar however you want.
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while the current tablet ui layout is mostly functional, its not very pretty and a bit disjointed when coming from a phone version of android. it also doesnt allow manufacturers to put physical buttons on a tablet without them being redundant, and is called fragmented when compared to the ios on the iphone to ipad. it wouldnt surprise me if they went with this design as their new tablet layout. and it probably wouldnt be as bad as you think. with future cm9 or aokp customizations, youll probably be able to adjust the positions of the nav bar however you want.
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I've long thought that the tablet UI for large tablets makes a lot of sense as if straddles the ground between desktop and phone quite nicely. Google aren't making the Nexus 7 UI default for these tablets either, if you emulate a touchpad withe the sdk then you get the UI we have now. On my small A100 the layout is pretty poor, and of course the resolution isn't all that great either but it's so crowded. The Nexus 7 UI works out nicely for smaller screens I think
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Yeah I tried a Galaxy tab 7 at the store yesterday and the ics tablet mode is a little tight. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing for a 7" tablet.
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Does that mean that all the work that has been done so far to get a working camera and microphone on ICS for the TP will go to waste with a new firmware?
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Does that mean that all the work that has been done so far to get a working camera and microphone on ICS for the TP will go to waste with a new firmware?
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No, it shouldn't be a waste. ICS is 4.0.x, JB is 4.1.x and is a refined ICS. So all the progress should be able to migrate over.
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Hi gang.
Here is an idea brewing in my head. I know it will spin your head. I am embarking on a mission to bring AOSP to this forsaken land... Fair warning. As you see, there is no "recognized developer" tag underneath my name and for a good reason, I am not one! An average newb here as far as AOSP deving is concerned. I do know the very basics, I did build a couple AOSP builds for the Dinc2 and Transformer prime, but that was trivial as those devices were already supported. This device is not. So, I'll need to figure out how to first setup the environment for this and then learn to make a kernel from the source HTC has (if they released it that is).
So, anyone here who can point me to the right direction to kick this off!?
This thread is intended to be a platform for all those interested in helping bring AOSP to our device. Any and all helpful suggestions in this regard will be appreciated!
Hell yeah! I'm pretty sure if we all pull together we can get something cooking. I was wondering though obviously we aren't on jelly bean. Would it be easier to build an ics cm9 and then add select features like the lock screen, camera, animations etc?
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Hell yeah! I'm pretty sure if we all pull together we can get something cooking. I was wondering though obviously we aren't on jelly bean. Would it be easier to build an ics cm9 and then add select features like the lock screen, camera, animations etc?
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Dunno. I was actually thinking if it is better to build Jellybean 4.1 rather than the latest and greatest 4.2.1. But if there aren't significant changes, may be we can pull off a 4.2 build. I just want to first learn to compile AOSP so that it even boots. I believe I need to mod files to build it for our environment... I wonder where I can learn this stuff..
Nits, Andy, help please!
My new laptop is running Windows 8 and I believe it will be a PITA to get Linux running natively on that due to the UEFI fiasco... I wonder if VM linux will be as fast as native... If not, I'll use my current machine to build and use the new one to due my regular stuff...
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Dunno. I was actually thinking if it is better to build Jellybean 4.1 rather than the latest and greatest 4.2.1. But if there aren't significant changes, may be we can pull off a 4.2 build. I just want to first learn to compile AOSP so that it even boots. I believe I need to mod files to build it for our environment... I wonder where I can learn this stuff..
Nits, Andy, help please!
My new laptop is running Windows 8 and I believe it will be a PITA to get Linux running natively on that due to the UEFI fiasco... I wonder if VM linux will be as fast as native... If not, I'll use my current machine to build and use the new one to due my regular stuff...
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I don't know as there are significant changes but most of the changes are with the lock screen and launcher.
Im up my incredible comes friday
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Im up my incredible comes friday
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My new laptop has just arrived. I wanna ask, will building android be significantly hampered on a virtual machine instead of natively? This new machine comes with windows 8 and potentially will be a pain to load Linux on it. Plus this laptop is meant for someone else and I dont think they will be pleased with Linux on their PC...
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My new laptop has just arrived. I wanna ask, will building android be significantly hampered on a virtual machine instead of natively? This new machine comes with windows 8 and potentially will be a pain to load Linux on it. Plus this laptop is meant for someone else and I dont think they will be pleased with Linux on their PC...
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its always better to have full ubuntu, personally i have win8 too but i installed wubi for ubuntu and everything looks fine(for being a pentium) ubuntu doesnt take much
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its always better to have full ubuntu, personally i have win8 too but i installed wubi for ubuntu and everything looks fine(for being a pentium) ubuntu doesnt take much
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OMG! First build in progress. The damn thing is ACTUALLY building, I think! But still, if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath. 99.9% sure the end result will most likely not boot!
EDIT: Of course, all that I said before is of any value only if this thing finishes compiling without errors. And I already had a few errors (which I was able to fix). God, I hope this thing compiles! :fingers-crossed:
Update: Several compilation errors. Failure guys :/ Will retry tomorrow...
Hey litetaker, just wanna say thanks so much for doing this I really appreciate it and I'm sure many others do too!
Ill work with him today on my free time, also welcome the new team fireballas member litetaker
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Ill work with him today on my free time, also welcome the new team fireballas member litetaker
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Thanks buddy! Let's do this!
Watching you guys closely love what your doing for this community so for this and all future projects you may have plesse know I'm always willing to load up (Flash) any software you create no matter what beta stage it may be in, it is the least I can do for you and the rest of this great community since I can't develop which I wish I could oh do I wish but seriously keep that in mind my friends.
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Watching you guys closely love what your doing for this community so for this and all future projects you may have plesse know I'm always willing to load up (Flash) any software you create no matter what beta stage it may be in, it is the least I can do for you and the rest of this great community since I can't develop which I wish I could oh do I wish but seriously keep that in mind my friends.
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Great to have volunteers, but by now we are just getting close to get a booteable cm10, will tell you when it boots
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Great to have volunteers, but by now we are just getting close to get a booteable cm10, will tell you when it boots
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Awesome, just awesome.
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I've been informed that AOSP has booted on our phone..
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I've been informed that AOSP has booted on our phone..
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First, news of s-off. Now, AOSP has booted. I don't know how this day can get any better.
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Like I said I'm really starting to love this phone very happy with all the activity in this forum.
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I've been informed that AOSP has booted on our phone..
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Do you know who else is working with this?(only if you can tell)
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Aosp booted
Heres a video of my progress on aosp on this device(never developed a rom without proper files so this is new to me)
will put right here when it uploads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ_AmZJ5Fu4
The evo 4g lte seems similar in specs to our phone in some regards and it has aosp. Could any of their work help us?
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With ubuntu released, is it possible to take it from the nexus devices over to here?
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No, its gsm based at the moment. So until its cdma. We can't use it
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They have it ported on sprint gnex but I believe no data or something like that
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They have it ported on sprint gnex but I believe no data or something like that
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I really want to test it I kinda want it as a daily driver looks awesome plus ubuntu is amazing.
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Once the cdma issue is fixed it should be rather easy porting since it uses cm10.1 as a base...
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I must say, having tested it first hand that it is very ... interesting. I do like the OS itself, it's fluid and the best part is the pulldown settings (view video here if you don't know what I'm talking about) makes things much faster.
All that being said, it's clearly a very early build. There are a lot of bugs and it's clearly targeted towards developers and geeks like us. It is not ready for use as a daily driver (unless you like that sort of adventure). Also the lacks of apps at the moment really hurts it. I can't live without my basic apps (titanium backup and tasker).
Racer Of All said:
I must say, having tested it first hand that it is very ... interesting. I do like the OS itself, it's fluid and the best part is the pulldown settings (view video here if you don't know what I'm talking about) makes things much faster.
All that being said, it's clearly a very early build. There are a lot of bugs and it's clearly targeted towards developers and geeks like us. It is not ready for use as a daily driver (unless you like that sort of adventure). Also the lacks of apps at the moment really hurts it. I can't live without my basic apps (titanium backup and tasker).
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Like ubuntu for pc's then. More geared towards geeks like us v
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polar2792 said:
Like ubuntu for pc's then. More geared towards geeks like us v
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Ubuntu for pcs is aimed more towards your average Joe. The real geeky Linux is something like arch or slackware lol
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Yes it is as it takes cm as a base however they currently do not support cdma function as of right now but that will change. So the answer is yes it can be ported but u will not have any cellphone usuage which is y no-one is porting it here yet. I think Leo might be the only one but Idk if he has started yet or if he will port it hopefully he does since I wana try it
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I really hope that we can get ubuntu working, it is way better than android for sure