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I am not looking to be flamed my rabid fanboys please if thats all you have to say just keep it to yourself. I am an avid android fan i wont own anything else but I was wondering if its posable and if it is if anyone is working on iOS or winmo that can be booted for the Vibrant. Like how the HD2 can boot into android. My reasoning is that there are certian iphone apps and a couple for winmo that I wish I could run but I cant afford to buy an itouch or a second phone.
zDisturbed1 said:
I am not looking to be flamed my rabid fanboys please if thats all you have to say just keep it to yourself. I am an avid android fan i wont own anything else but I was wondering if its posable and if it is if anyone is working on iOS or winmo that can be booted for the Vibrant. Like how the HD2 can boot into android. My reasoning is that there are certian iphone apps and a couple for winmo that I wish I could run but I cant afford to buy an itouch or a second phone.
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unfortunately neither windows Mobile or I Phone OS are open source.
so while android can feasibly be made compatible with other phones hardware, the opposite happening is extremely unlikely without an open source.
firefly6240 said:
unfortunately neither windows Mobile or I Phone OS are open source.
so while android can feasibly be made compatible with other phones hardware, the opposite happening is extremely unlikely without an open source.
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^ what he said.
firefly6240 said:
unfortunately neither windows Mobile or I Phone OS are open source.
so while android can feasibly be made compatible with other phones hardware, the opposite happening is extremely unlikely without an open source.
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Duh I should have thought of that about the ios part I know its not publicly open source but I thought there might be enough out there for the winmom part I dont know a lot about winmo but I know there is enough out there for custom rom building
Ever since I switched form windows mobile to android 2 years ago I never looked back, but found this thread interesting and thought...
would it be possible to create an emulator type thing for .cab files to run on android?
Unfortunately, like they said above, because they are not open source, there's not much we can do right now.
It would be pretty cool to have the option to switch back and for though; I used to do it all the time when I had the HD2.
Hey guys, So I made an attempt to port 3.2 sdk to nook and i had a minor success with it.
Basically i have used Divine-Madcat's modifications from 3.0 sdk with 3.2 sdk image from Google, and after a very few changes it worked!!
But there are a lot of problems right now, for ex-
It takes a lot of time to load up and screen remains blank unless i use power button,
Display just goes blank randomly but comes back on using power button,
Android seems to take touch input as a mouse input and displays a round pointer,
laggy as hell(sometimes, randomly it goes smooth), probably displays one frame per second, and usually hangs up after a minute of use.
Wifi-not working
sd-card- not working
This is in no way usable right now, but i am posting the zip file anyway, hoping that someone will come out of no-where and help me fix this(thinking of this as an opportunity to learn)
So try it if you are feeling adventurous and want to fix things up.
Format data before u proceed.
DO NOT FORMAT BOOT.
MEDIAFIRE LINK
Disclaimer: I am not responsible for what happens to your nook, if you decide to flash this zip(though it likely won't do any damage).
reserved for future
Good luck to you, kind sir.
Looks good, but not even close to daily driver. Screenies?
None of the SDKs, including my own, are daily drivers. Until we can compile code, they will never be daily drivers.
Well, your SDK 11 port is pretty functional, just a little graphics lag.
ikingblack said:
Well, your SDK 11 port is pretty functional, just a little graphics lag.
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Yes, it booted, but by no means was it a driver. It wasn't just graphics lag, it was overall lag. hardware acceleration was a no go... Look, it was fun to play with, but never a driver.
Unless deeper blue comes in with something (not saying he can), these will always be experiments; there is just too much code that needs to be compiled for our device for it to really work...
If you say so.
ikingblack said:
If you say so.
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Given our respective success in porting things, i think i will value my opinion just a bit more, sorry.
Divine_Madcat said:
Yes, it booted, but by no means was it a driver. It wasn't just graphics lag, it was overall lag. hardware acceleration was a no go... Look, it was fun to play with, but never a driver.
Unless deeper blue comes in with something (not saying he can), these will always be experiments; there is just too much code that needs to be compiled for our device for it to really work...
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Well you are right, this pretty much is an experiment and its a good way for me to learn things, but u never know maybe someone will get their hands on that latest driver, or maybe someone will figure a workaround, those guys at notion ink Adam have a very good honeycomb port which people use as a daily driver.
Progress is progress. At the same time, I'm starting to feel like we're hitting a brick wall without any type of hardware acceleration. The SDK ports themselves usually run next to fine functionality wise, but the lack of hardware acceleration means that virtually all of honeycomb is unstable without massive tweaking.
rigy73 said:
Well you are right, this pretty much is an experiment and its a good way for me to learn things, but u never know maybe someone will get their hands on that latest driver, or maybe someone will figure a workaround, those guys at notion ink Adam have a very good honeycomb port which people use as a daily driver.
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That isn't too surprising, since the hardware is the same as every other tablet (Tegra2), and most of the acceleration should work without needing a recompile. On the other hand, we have to use the SDK code, which is compiled very generically, and we don't have that luxury.
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Given our respective success in porting things, i think i will value my opinion just a bit more, sorry.
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Of course.
I still really appreciate the random efforts at a Honeycomb ports - it's unfortunate there isn't a larger Honeycomb dev community looking at this device, but at the same time completely understandable when you read the struggles of DB, DMC, etc., and the relatively dim outlook without a proper 3.0/.1/.2 source release.
For a long time I just thought it'd be a matter of time and folks would be right back at it - but now that it's taking a long while, there's real concern that if/when a proper source is released, will people still be interested in developing for the NC?
So yeah - I appreciate seeing any efforts pop up. It reminds me people are trying, and that's awesome.
CM based roms work just fine - but there's something decidedly underwhelming about the 2.x experience on a tablet.
arrjaytea -
I could guarantee, with the AOSP code, the nook would be an even neater device. Frankly, assuming we dont lose a dev base, i see great things for our device when ICS hits. As it is, from everything i have heard form our CM7 brethren, CM7's efforts are not for waste; many lessons and fixes learned here will help future efforts..
Assuming el goog keeps their word, the nook is still living the high life.
I really hope the current devs stick around long enough to dev a great ICS rom. I cannot wait for that at all. Finally, a proper HC-"based" rom for it.
In my opinion we let Google get to big by adopting their "free" services. They are as evil as Microsoft was/is in my eyes now. Not releasing code that they basically said would be open and public until it is "end of life" goes against the foundation of what android was supposed to be about. They are like Walmart in that they undercut the little guy to drive them under and then piss on us. Had it not been for android, alot of us would probably be running Openmoko on our phones and maybe tablets. Flames away
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In my opinion we let Google get to big by adopting their "free" services. They are as evil as Microsoft was/is in my eyes now. Not releasing code that they basically said would be open and public until it is "end of life" goes against the foundation of what android was supposed to be about. They are like Walmart in that they undercut the little guy to drive them under and then piss on us. Had it not been for android, alot of us would probably be running Openmoko on our phones and maybe tablets. Flames away
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If they release the code, there's a chance that the Android brand will be further fragmented and destroyed by improper use of it. Blame the Chineese tablet makers for stuffing 1.6 on tablets, that's what this is a result of.
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I still really appreciate the random efforts at a Honeycomb ports - it's unfortunate there isn't a larger Honeycomb dev community looking at this device, but at the same time completely understandable when you read the struggles of DB, DMC, etc., and the relatively dim outlook without a proper 3.0/.1/.2 source release.
For a long time I just thought it'd be a matter of time and folks would be right back at it - but now that it's taking a long while, there's real concern that if/when a proper source is released, will people still be interested in developing for the NC?
So yeah - I appreciate seeing any efforts pop up. It reminds me people are trying, and that's awesome.
CM based roms work just fine - but there's something decidedly underwhelming about the 2.x experience on a tablet.
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After working a lot more with honeycomb port, i think i am happy that a lot more developers are actually working on cm7 than on honeycomb ports, these ports are a good way to try honeycomb on nook and have a little fun but, i don't think that even if we solve the video drivers issue honeycomb sdk could be used as a daily driver. The problems are just too much and the amount of tweaking it would require to get a good usable rom would not be worth it. Even functionality wise, sdk's have lots of problem. As for when source it released i think we will get at least one more CM port simply because the no of nook owners is just a lot right now.
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If they release the code, there's a chance that the Android brand will be further fragmented and destroyed by improper use of it. Blame the Chineese tablet makers for stuffing 1.6 on tablets, that's what this is a result of.
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That's the inherent risk involved in adopting the open source model. You have a chance of fragmentation because you have so many manufacturers developing device or brand specific code and you have many developers developing codes specific to their roms, but what some see as fragmentation others see as variety, accessibility, and community driven problem solving. Android is probably on twice as many devices as Apples iOS. In my opinion a little fragmentation is worth the price.
I am disappointed that Google didn't release the source code. Anybody who has the ability to do some crazy like run honeycomb on their G1 phone or any other phone for that matter should be prepared for an experimental experience.
As for manufactures the Chinese putting Donut on their tablets--perhaps would have been easier for them to put Honeycomb on it if Google would have released the source codes. A lot of us are running phone OSes on our tablet albeit most of us are running Gingerbread on our Nook colors, but it would be nice to get a tablet OS like Honeycomb. Ice Cream Sandwich is suppose to be a Q4 release, but we'll see if that still happens. At least their is some hope. Just my humble 2 cents.
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/111209xa.html?mtxs=rss-corp-news
If a webos port was made for your Galaxy SII, would you at try it out? Whats everyone's thoughts?
I don't know about others but I, for me will be excited and undoubtedly I'll want this on my GSII, it will be a pleasure.
Thanks for the link anyway.
Sure
Would be cool to try WebOS at SGS II =)
I think it doesn't have much chance against Android.
ithehappy said:
I don't know about others but I, for me will be excited and undoubtedly I'll want this on my GSII, it will be a pleasure.
Thanks for the link anyway.
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Yeah definitely the same here! I'd love to be able to dualboot both OS' on my phone. Plus all the power the GSII is packing compared to that of the touchpad. It would be insane!
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I think it doesn't have much chance against Android.
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I see it not so much as a competition, but more as something that would compliment my phone. Primarily android, with webos on the side.
But I agree that it would be cool to try it nonetheless.
I would probably flash it out of curiosity but ultimately ill no doubt always stick with Android unless they do the unthinkable and become "closed" like IOS but i cant see that ever happening.
of course I want it in my phone. Also, could the devs port the code to android to make it faster/better/whatever?
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http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2011/111209xa.html?mtxs=rss-corp-news
If a webos port was made for your Galaxy SII, would you at try it out? Whats everyone's thoughts?
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Didn't HTC or Samsung (can't remember who) get full licensing permissions on WebOS? lol well that's useful now.
If it was me, yes I definitely would! Like with the HD2, I tried WM 6.5, WP7 and Android, but ultimately had to go back to Android.
= What are you even doing asking whether or not you should root your phone on XDA?! =
What we have here is HP finding a cheap way to support it's WebOS devices.
I'd sure as hell try it out. The UI is fantastic and would probably fly on the SGS2. Probably would have to steal some drivers from Android but since they're both linux-based it shouldn't be too difficult.
Although I'm guessing most of the devs are involved with ics at the moment...
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Didn't HTC or Samsung (can't remember who) get full licensing permissions on WebOS? lol well that's useful now.
If it was me, yes I definitely would! Like with the HD2, I tried WM 6.5, WP7 and Android, but ultimately had to go back to Android.
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Hey Skellyyy, just out of curiosity, what made you stick with Android over WP7? I have not had any WP7 device yet, but it looks attracting.
I would LOVE this...i got a Pre on day one and loved WebOS...i would have stayed, but lack of solid hardware and an extremely small dev crew to get things going. if we could even get a WebOS launcher on top of android, that would be amazing!
i truly hope they get this going on our SGSII's.....i'd pay good cash for this!!
EDit - Any dev who decides to take this on, consider my SGSII a test device for you....
WebOS all the way!
For those who haven't tried it, here are some hints:
-butter smooth (when fresh)
-TRUE and exceptional multitasking
-great UI
The thing with HP is that they bought Palm for a hefty sum but never had any idea how to make it better. For now, they only got two WebOS devices that can not be called ancient: Pre3 and Veer- both fabulous phones ( Veer is quire popular among ladies, even @ Google HQ ). This is the bottle neck for their market. If they will get it running on other devices it will surely change the game more than WP7 did.
HP will nail it if they choose to go open source and get some devs involved, though this OS is maybe the best so far, it's still full of bugs and flaws, looks like a beta release.
... Another one. Is open sourcing now the dumping ground for dead projects?
came back from a party some minutes ago and read that webos is now open sorce on pocketnow.
it would really be great to be able to dualboot webos and android on the s2. hope somebody will do this and bring us this great os.
htc9420 said:
WebOS all the way!
For those who haven't tried it, here are some hints:
-butter smooth (when fresh)
-TRUE and exceptional multitasking
-great UI
The thing with HP is that they bought Palm for a hefty sum but never had any idea how to make it better. For now, they only got two WebOS devices that can not be called ancient: Pre3 and Veer- both fabulous phones ( Veer is quire popular among ladies, even @ Google HQ ). This is the bottle neck for their market. If they will get it running on other devices it will surely change the game more than WP7 did.
HP will nail it if they choose to go open source and get some devs involved, though this OS is maybe the best so far, it's still full of bugs and flaws, looks like a beta release.
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i have a touchpad,laggy as hell,specially reading a pdf
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adem_7 said:
Hey Skellyyy, just out of curiosity, what made you stick with Android over WP7? I have not had any WP7 device yet, but it looks attracting.
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Hi, I don't really know tbh, android just felt like my home that I couldn't leave. Although I really want a WP7 device to give it another try. I feel like it could be good for me, everything I basically need and it just works. Without any distractions. Social integration is a major plus now too, I never really went on social networks when I tried it out, might get another cheap HD2 and have fun with it.
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Hi there. Well I'm a little confuse, because I read in somewhere that CMods doesn't have support for Webtop OS, but it have Lapdock support, so my question here is, what does the phone when you put it in the Lapdock? I mean, what works? It's just Android working on a 11" HD screen? (sweet) or it's the Webtop by default without any mods?
I have a strong feeling it is the first choice since the Lap dock software was made by Motorola is not open source. I am not entirely sure though.
You should also check out the full Linux via web top mod, it might need to be a blur based ROM though for it to work
You have mirrored android (the screen you see on the phone) with the ability to use the keyboard and the trackpad for mouse.
The problem is that the mirror mode has the same resolution as the phone so the things are quite pixelated.
Overall the lapdock experience is much better on the CM9 ROMs mostly due to the different approach to UI and better mouse control.
Good luck
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I have a strong feeling it is the first choice since the Lap dock software was made by Motorola is not open source. I am not entirely sure though.
You should also check out the full Linux via web top mod, it might need to be a blur based ROM though for it to work
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Just to confirm Webtop is actually a closed-source project based on open-source project so they released the open-source part but the closed-source part is still missing, that's why Android ROM Devs have many trouble with this because Motorola doesn't provide any support... And I personally find it stupid because it could sell the last Lapdocks on the market...
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Just to confirm Webtop is actually a closed-source project based on open-source project so they released the open-source part but the closed-source part is still missing, that's why Android ROM Devs have many trouble with this because Motorola doesn't provide any support... And I personally find it stupid because it could sell the last Lapdocks on the market...
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That's interesting. I would say why not just build a custom webtop but now that I think about it, it will be pretty hard. Maybe the reason Motorola won't provide any support is to try and keep more people on their ROM, or at least a blur based ROM? Still pretty stupid; like you said, it will help them sell more lapdocks.
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That's interesting. I would say why not just build a custom webtop but now that I think about it, it will be pretty hard. Maybe the reason Motorola won't provide any support is to try and keep more people on their ROM, or at least a blur based ROM? Still pretty stupid; like you said, it will help them sell more lapdocks.
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Well, that would be possible to make a webtop-like program that would detect the Webtop (HDMI + Keyboard + Trackpad) and switch on Ubuntu automatically. But now the problem is the development which needs talented Linux/Android developers and this is not so easy to find, especially talented Android devs who would take a whole month to make us happy. The easiest way is still installing a Blur ROM or just use VNC. I will receive my Webtop in 2-3 days, I don't even know which way to use it...
web OS
https://developer.palm.com/
if any dev is willing to try, good luck
and here
http://www.openwebosproject.org/
I could have a look after I finished iOS xTreme and it works perfectly. I know that it is not the same as Android, but as it's open-source...
well gnex people got it working...
it takes some skilled developers to port it. its not just editing a few framework files adding a few apks and downloading a nightly for it to be based. imagine it like porting AOSP 4.2 the day the source code comes out
you have no prior sources or work of anykind. just source code
-DarkKnight- said:
well gnex people got it working...
it takes some skilled developers to port it. its not just editing a few framework files adding a few apks and downloading a nightly for it to be based. imagine it like porting AOSP 4.2 the day the source code comes out
you have no prior sources or work of anykind. just source code
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Yes, I know. I said I‘ll have a LOOK and may try that, so I can not guarantee that it works.
I know what it is. I know that‘s hard. But if we have their code...
DarkCoding said:
Yes, I know. I said I‘ll have a LOOK and may try that, so I can not guarantee that it works.
I know what it is. I know that‘s hard. But if we have their code...
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well good luck
too bad I won't be able to use it
I hope nexusone people port it
So can we expect WebOS port for Optimus one?
I don't know who started porting WebOS for GalaxyNexus but check that out: http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Main_Page
And webOS was running perfect on such low level devices like optimus one, so i hope that webOS will run smooth and fast. Can someone port it?
It's opened, just like android. If someone try, i will test it
And btw what happened to B2G (boot to gecko os) OS port, will someone port it too?
So...at last can we expect webos or b2g?
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So can we expect WebOS port for Optimus one?
I don't know who started porting WebOS for GalaxyNexus but check that out: http://www.webos-ports.org/wiki/Main_Page
And webOS was running perfect on such low level devices like optimus one, so i hope that webOS will run smooth and fast. Can someone port it?
It's opened, just like android. If someone try, i will test it
And btw what happened to B2G (boot to gecko os) OS port, will someone port it too?
So...at last can we expect webos or b2g?
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As I said, I‘ll try to port that.
adfad666 is working on B2G.
Edit: Yes, you can expect webOS for O1 by me But I must hold on the iOS xTreme development (okay, it‘s modding ) to do that. And in 2 days I‘ll write a test :banghead:
That's amazing! WebOS on Optimus One! Finally another OS for my device! )
(Not that i don't like Android, it's just..i'm using it for more than year and half and i would like to try something else)
insitex said:
That's amazing! WebOS on Optimus One! Finally another OS for my device! )
(Not that i don't like Android, it's just..i'm using it for more than year and half and i would like to try something else)
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I, too
Btw now updating Ubuntu and configuring everything, then learn for the English-test D) in 2 days and at the end webOS
DarkCoding said:
I, too
Btw now updating Ubuntu and configuring everything, then learn for the English-test D) in 2 days and at the end webOS
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Updating ubuntu is pain is the arse... at least the system updates... if you forget it for a month, you get a half-day update... eventually you get bored and turn it off.. which corrupted my ubuntu installation (1st no more wifi, had to connect via ethernet cable, then no more sudo, password prompt in a loop)
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Updating ubuntu is pain is the arse... at least the system updates... if you forget it for a month, you get a half-day update... eventually you get bored and turn it off.. which corrupted my ubuntu installation (1st no more wifi, had to connect via ethernet cable, then no more sudo, password prompt in a loop)
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No, I can leave my PC for max. 8 hours on. What do you think, does it is enough?
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No, I can leave my PC for max. 8 hours on. What do you think, does it is enough?
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Update in steps, you can do selective update
Now I have my own thread
In general section
And no, I can not post link. I'm too lazy