Anyone using Juice Defender on their Galaxy Tab 10.1?
I've been using it ever since I bought mine, but I honestly don't get much more battery life...
Anyone has a nice improvement using Juice Defender or any other battery life improver app?
(I don't know what happened to the search function after the changes to the xda forum but it's really confusing now and I'm sorry if this has already been posted. i'm too dumb for this.)
I always use either go task manager or smart ram booster ..........these are only which effectively closes tasks and also uses less ram ......also u can try ram manager which is similar to juice defender
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I always use either go task manager or smart ram booster ..........these are only which effectively closes tasks and also uses less ram ......also u can try ram manager which is similar to juice defender
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But everyone says that using task managers/killers isn't a good idea since Android manages memory in a "smart" way and interfering might result in issues after some time. Do you actually notice a battery life improvement using Go Task Manager? Maybe I should give it a try..
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flasozzi said:
But everyone says that using task managers/killers isn't a good idea since Android manages memory in a "smart" way and interfering might result in issues after some time. Do you actually notice a battery life improvement using Go Task Manager? Maybe I should give it a try..
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I never felt much difference in the battery but I use only to speed up my tab .........frequently if u clear u will not experience any lag ...........for me it is must
I use JD on my phone, there it is great because it manages 2G/3G/WiFi, AirplaneMode over night etc....
On my tab it isn't installed because I always turn WiFi on when I need it, I do not use 3G (or just few times)... so with my behavior JD is useless...
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Hello, I have been searching for app killer information. I see that some people don't think is necessary and some say it is. What's the verdict on this topic? Thx
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dont use it, unless you know what your looking for. if you do use one look for one that displays processor cycles or how long the app uses the processor. if a rogue app is uses more than it should you kill it. other than that use. do not use them.
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if an app uses excessive processor time, i just straight up delete it. unless i need it then i kill it.
At the Android BBQ, Cyanogen stated that there is absolutely no need for task killers. Granted this is the same thing he has been saying for some time now but misinformation is a hard thing to overcome.
I am sick of App killers, they may have had a place pre Froyo but any recent android build will not benefit from them. Most of the time quite the opposite of what is expected including but not limited to Higher battery drain, background services not syncing, or Force Close issues. In general if an android phone comes into the store I work at with a task killer it will leave with it uninstalled. If you need something to conserve battery I recommend adjusting your sync settings, brightness/timout, and installed apps settings. If you are running out of memory due to too many programs running you can either buy a new phone that has more memory or uninstall some of said programs.
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I am sick of App killers, they may have had a place pre Froyo but any recent android build will not benefit from them. Most of the time quite the opposite of what is expected including but not limited to Higher battery drain, background services not syncing, or Force Close issues. In general if an android phone comes into the store I work at with a task killer it will leave with it uninstalled. If you need something to conserve battery I recommend adjusting your sync settings, brightness/timout, and installed apps settings. If you are running out of memory due to too many programs running you can either buy a new phone that has more memory or uninstall some of said programs.
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So if the photon ran out of memory you would recommend buying the latest and greatest? And delete customers info?
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So if the photon ran out of memory you would recommend buying the latest and greatest? And delete customers info?
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Yes and No. A few years ago, 128Mb or even 512Mb on these phone were common. Yes it was nice to have 2Million apps on your phone and 1/2 of them running. It was easy to jam up your phone, so short of a reboot, an app killer was a nice tool.
This has 16Gb (Not Mb) and some space to play on the chip. I work in IT, been doing it for MANY years. Look at the size of these apps in Market Place. If you have THAT many apps, all running at the same time, You need a new phone when available.
BTW: Photon comes with Task Manager out the box, it willdo the same thing.
Just my $0.02!
Thx for the info.. I currently do not have one installed. I never have problems with my photon. Just wondering if it was something I needed.
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So if the photon ran out of memory you would recommend buying the latest and greatest? And delete customers info?
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My point is that it is an app that adds no value to the device.
An example would be a customer with an LG Optimus (140 MB of onboard memory) that has installed every version of angry birds and now wonders why their phone is slow and unresponsive. A task killer will not fix this, they either need to remove some apps or buy a phone that better suits their needs.
That being said I'm not really worried about the photon running out of memory (either the 3GB allocated to app storage or the 1GB of RAM) I'm not saying it's impossible but for the average user, heck even the average power user it is highly unlikely.
So people still don't realize this is Linux. Unused ram is useless ram. Fill it to the brim, it's there to be used 100%.
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My point is that it is an app that adds no value to the device.
An example would be a customer with an LG Optimus (140 MB of onboard memory) that has installed every version of angry birds and now wonders why their phone is slow and unresponsive. A task killer will not fix this, they either need to remove some apps or buy a phone that better suits their needs.
That being said I'm not really worried about the photon running out of memory (either the 3GB allocated to app storage or the 1GB of RAM) I'm not saying it's impossible but for the average user, heck even the average power user it is highly unlikely.
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memory is different from ram. i have 1.6 gigs of apps(240) my phone doesnt run slow at all. i had 200 plus on my galaxy s and my g1(apps2sd). never slowed down any of my phones as long as you dont download poorly coded apps or use 500 widgets/app killers/bad live wallpapers/crappy home replacements. you can use as much storage as you want and never slow down the phone. its the active apps that are running that slow down the phone, not the inactive ones simply stored in memory for quick access. when android needs memory it kills off inactive apps. simple.
Turbo Droid app out the market
3VO 4Life
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Turbo Droid app out the market
3VO 4Life
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Definitely not.
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Thx for the info.. I currently do not have one installed. I never have problems with my photon. Just wondering if it was something I needed.
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Good choice! On both phone and not needing this!
I have my phone and dont have any issues with it. I installed an advanced task killer and thats when I started having problems once I uninstalled it I was good. No problems whats so ever. Another thing I noticed is with the extra task killer when would dock my photon into the hdmi station I would get low memory pop ups since I uninstalled it no more low memory popups.
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Question for all GB users, which is a pretty high number here. I ran MIUI Lithium and loved it except the battery was pathetic. I can deal with generally bad battery life since i came from an HD7 but it got out of hand. Anyway since there are a lot of GB roms out there and pretty active i suppose a lot of u found a way to handle it better. How do you u GB users get the most out of battery on a GB ROM? (ROM, Kernel, tweaks, etc.)
please share your setup since it can help a lot of others that want to manage battery better
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Try using the Bali-CM (For CM7/MIUI/OMFGB) kernel. It was designed around improving battery. I'm currently not using it however when I did I had much better battery life when I was... Also remember to undervolt, as that should further increase battery life without loss of performance. "Screen off" profiles in overclock apps like SetCPU also help in battery conservation.
An app that really helps battery life is called Juice Defender Plus. You should try it out! Here's an overview of the app posted by "Woodrube" that should help you get started...
This is how the JD Plus works (no need for JD Ultimate b/c we don't have many of the functions it supports. I just copied this from another thread the OP started awhile ago and I was trying to helps him out there.
If you set it to custom, the go into the settings tab on the right and then all the way at the bottom, there is two buttons to push, The first in Interactive which will pull up Juice Defender for up for any app that isn't already configured and the other is Configure Apps. This is the one that you can customize on an app-to-app basis where if you are no using an app and the screen is locked, it kills the radio/data traffic for that app.
Say you are listening to IHeartRadio, this you would want either Enable or Enable/off (which means the screen will be locked but the radio/data will be working). Now take the browser. It you are not using the browser, then you don't need it transmitting data right? So you would set that one to Enable (which means that it will only enable data traffic when that app is being used).
Juice Defender only works when the screen is locked, don't forget and all widgets are battery drains b/c all they really are is a monitoring app and if it is tied to something like FB or G+, then that data will be running constantly.
Examples:
Gmail = Enable (not enable/off b/c then it will keep your radio/data open)
Beautiful Widgets = Enable/off
mClock/Clockr = Enable/off
Angry Birds = Disable (with this and something like Adfree, no more ads in Angry Birds even though the ads are embedded in the .apk)
SMS/MMS = Enable or Do Nothing (why would you push disable)
Enable = Radio/data on when app is in use (front)
Enable/off = Radio/data on for background apps (when screen is locked)
Disable = Disables radio/data traffic completely when that app is running
Do Nothing = What is says.
I have been using JD+ for over a year on 3 different phones and have noticed a considerable difference in battery life, even on a crappy Motorola phone. Just takes some time to figure out YOUR settings and what YOU like. I have also used it on Stock kernel and had no problems either.
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Under status I have Profile>Customize (this one lets you configure your apps) Notification> Text
Under settings I have
Mobile and Wifi are both set to Enable,
Options>Auto Disable,
Location>disable,
Schedule>Enable:frequency>1h,
Night>Enable :12am6am (b/c I am asleep but if I am on, user takes priority),
Apps>Enable;
Configure>Interactive.
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Also, don't forget that our Vibrant's screens are huge power drainers. Keeping it on a lower brightness level helps save a lot of battery. Hope this helps!
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By the way, whenever you flash a new rom you are going to want to do a battery re-calibration. This will help excessive battery drain. However you only need to do it once when you flash a new rom! Use this app to easily do a re-calibration.... http://www.google.com/search?gcx=c&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=battery+calibration+nema
Here are some screenies to give you an idea of how JD+ can be set up. Noob, thanks for the tag, buddy.
+1 on the screen settings too. Plus when you are pulling on-line music for extended time and notice the phone getting hot, it isn't all the processor, it is the screen that is causing some of the heat. Hence my enable/off for MLB or Tune-in in the shots below.
Noob, thanks for the tag, buddy.
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No problem, bro.
Which version of Lithium were you running? Try Prime 360 (Miui 2.3.7). With heavy usage, I usually get around 16-20 hrs. With light usage, I had 29hrs with it. Let your battery drain, fully recharge and you should have remarkable results.
I tried NB-360 ROM, it had decent battery life, with many battery saving features included, but it didn't compare to Prime if you need longevity out of your battery. It currently uses the Neo R18 Kernel.
Let me know how it goes.
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Question for all GB users, which is a pretty high number here. I ran MIUI Lithium and loved it except the battery was pathetic. I can deal with generally bad battery life since i came from an HD7 but it got out of hand. Anyway since there are a lot of GB roms out there and pretty active i suppose a lot of u found a way to handle it better. How do you u GB users get the most out of battery on a GB ROM? (ROM, Kernel, tweaks, etc.)
please share your setup since it can help a lot of others that want to manage battery better
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So my Setup is basically running CM7 (with 2.3.7), and having a kernel which supports something called "undervolting"
right now, I have a kernel called glitch kernel.. which basically gives me an app where i can set my own custom voltages (like undervolting it -50 mv from the original voltage). THis can help save TONS of battery, but always refer to your kernel guide on how low to set the voltage.
We don't want any bootloops or bricks now do we
I also use an app (in conjunction with my kernel) called screen filter. This dims the LEDS inside youe phone individually so it saves a ton of battery.
i get 1.5 days on full charge listening to music and going on the internet constantly
thanks a million guys. im currently running cm7 stable and flashed glitch v13 kernel. set leakage to medium (honestly still dont understand the difference very well) and undervolted like you guys recommended. ill see how battery treats me.
^^ BTW i had Lithium 11/11/11 update with default kernel
If i see a significant increase in battery, ill give MIUI a go again with Prime since it seems to have good battery. Ill keep u updated, thanks again
Edit: quick question. is it true that the solid white colors still kill much more battery with our screens? or was it mostly a first gen amoled issue?
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update: glitch v13 with undervolting really did the trick!!! after a full work day on which on a GB rom my phone would be begging for mercy with about 20% remaining more or less, today i finished with just over 70%, and that was after i realized that the undervolting settings did not stick after boot when i unplugged it and i applied it again (my phone was at 90% when i did this)
speechless...
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How much of your RAM is consumed ?
Mine is always over 600 out of the 780mb. Even after a ram clear ?
Is this normal ?
Where exactly do you see the ram?
Does it bother you ? mine is smooth as butter, stock everything
Unused ram is just going to waste.
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Unused ram is just going to waste.
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I have read this before, but I wonder if more memory is used then more battery is consumed. Isn't that right?
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Loading and unloading apps all the time needs a lot more battery that keeping the RAM filled up. Both performance and battery life would suffer if the RAM would be kept empty.
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i have this problem as well.. and when too much ram is consumed around 650mb on average for me.. my s3 will starts to lag sometimes when exiting from an app to the home screen. anyone has solution to this ? clearing the memory dosen't help much. memory still fluctuates around 600+ mb
Install a task manager with listing capability, e.g. Houmiak Taskmanager and check which process(es) cause the high usage.
It should not lag, usually that's caused by app service processes not terminating correctly when exiting/closing the app and filling up memory to the brink.
If you got such apps you might want to try 'Fast Reboot' which usually gets rid of them very fast with (imho) less performance impact than most other 'memory cleaners'
thanks.. i have thus far downloaded ram booster.. works great for me .. free up lotsa memory and now it fluatueting around 400 :good: now my s3 is running at the speed it should be
Im at 600/780Mb.
No apps running under active apps.
Yet if i hit clear memory, it says 21 apps closed and drops down to 530
I get high RAM usage too , sometimes can reach up to 680 but the odd thing is that I don't see any difference in terms of performance. It is still fast as ever.
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Im at 600/780Mb.
No apps running under active apps.
Yet if i hit clear memory, it says 21 apps closed and drops down to 530
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And how long does it stay that way?
Tip: stop looking at ram usage, stop killing apps and stop creating duplicate threads of the same subject
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Solution?
First off these forums are here for people to ask for help. Old threads have no new interest.
I stumbled across this in hope of a permeant fix as mine too is around 650mb and phone starts to lag. Only quick solution I have is to go into developer options and click background processes and limit the amount that can occur. I turned mine to 0. Don't know the effect on battery yet but its around 500mb now and the phone is now back to its smooth self.
Wont that stop software such as weather to update in the background?
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First off these forums are here for people to ask for help. Old threads have no new interest.
I stumbled across this in hope of a permeant fix as mine too is around 650mb and phone starts to lag. Only quick solution I have is to go into developer options and click background processes and limit the amount that can occur. I turned mine to 0. Don't know the effect on battery yet but its around 500mb now and the phone is now back to its smooth self.
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Best way to preserve ram is to switch off your phone..that way it will have 1 gb ram..
[Off topic] killing background processes will make your phone like my Nokia 1100..with no multitasking..all the apps will close once you exit..and all the data will be loaded up when you restart again..taking up more cpu time and battery..
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Best way to preserve ram is to switch off your phone..that way it will have 1 gb ram..
[Off topic] killing background processes will make your phone like my Nokia 1100..with no multitasking..all the apps will close once you exit..and all the data will be loaded up when you restart again..taking up more cpu time and battery..
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Quoted for truth.
No multitasking = slower phone, worse battery.
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I was having the same problem with my S3 the first week I bought it. I switched it off and on again and it was back to normal
Just my point of view using a comparison :
On the computer when I installed more RAM it's to have more apps load in it instead of waiting for them to be loaded... Not just to have more RAM unused...
On the phone it's the same.
Android seems to handle ram usage very well, killing apps on it self when ram is required...
Reason I did it was when my ram was going above 600mb upon exiting apps my home screen would hang with no icons for a few seconds. Task manager, clear process and it return to normal. Limiting the process somehow worked. It's not logical but these are phones not computers.
There's no software trick on my mac that can increase ram like jelly beans has done so who knows.
Plus most apps apart from weather etc store their last state and resume where you left off so doing what I says does not affect me.
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I too have this ram problem. I like that the phone is doing its best to keep the ram full for multitasking purposes but i hate when it lags when i go back to the home screen. Also sometimes i close an app to do something else, say texting, then go back and it has to re-open the app because android killed it to free up space. Couldnt it just cache it if it needs space instead of fully closing it?
I heard there was an update that fixed this ram issue but its not showing up for my phone.
In some ways i miss my galaxy s2 :/
As the days go on I feel like I'm using more RAM doing the same tasks. I haven't changed anything really and I went from having 1.03 free to now having 900ish free. What's up with that? And what's the point of 2GB if 1 of it will be used almost all the time. I know this is stock and rooting and removing bloatware will help, but this is crazy for stock isn't it?
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Unused ram is wasted ram.
Android does a fine job with ram utilization. That's why most of the veterans of Android device will always tell you that Task Killers are a big no-no. There are very good articles regarding this, sorry don't have a link but try to do a google search.
the purpose of having additional RAM is so that i can be used.
I'm running the Base v.5 and often have around 850M to 1G free.
Don't worry about it. Android OS is based on Linux, and as such it's very efficient in memory utilization, unlike Windows.
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Ok, I've just never understood how unused RAM is a bad thing. I always thought having free RAM was what you wanted. So should I even bother occasionally clearing RAM through the built in task manager? Won't these things drain my battery if I don't?
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they shouldn't have any noticeable impact. they should go into a very low usage mode...kinda like a sleep. if needed the app can resume quickly...if more RAM is needed, then the system will close these "sleeping" apps. i'd allow the system to manage your RAM.
back in the early days of Android there was a good reason to use task killers, but that is not the case in the newer devices. you can use the task manager to kill an app that's hung up or whatnot, but i'd suggest trying to break yourself of that habit....let the system do it's thing for a week or so and see how it goes.
btw...you want enough memory so that apps can do what they need to do when you want them to do it. so yeah, having a lil extra is a good thing but that's only because of "burst usage". if you run at 95% utilization most of the time, then when you have a sudden burst of activity your device may not have enough spare memory to use. but if your at 50% utilization you're fine.
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they shouldn't have any noticeable impact. they should go into a very low usage mode...kinda like a sleep. if needed the app can resume quickly...if more RAM is needed, then the system will close these "sleeping" apps. i'd allow the system to manage your RAM.
back in the early days of Android there was a good reason to use task killers, but that is not the case in the newer devices. you can use the task manager to kill an app that's hung up or whatnot, but i'd suggest trying to break yourself of that habit....let the system do it's thing for a week or so and see how it goes.
btw...you want enough memory so that apps can do what they need to do when you want them to do it. so yeah, having a lil extra is a good thing but that's only because of "burst usage". if you run at 95% utilization most of the time, then when you have a sudden burst of activity your device may not have enough spare memory to use. but if your at 50% utilization you're fine.
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Thanks that cleared it up for me.
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I currently have a ASUS Transformer TF101 and am soon to get a Samsung Galaxy Note 8.0. I have rooted the TF101 and am running a custom ROM and Kernel (TEAMEOS 4 and KAT Kernel) and will be rooting the Note once it is in my hands.
My question is regarding the apps I use to improve the Android experience and whether I'm using the right tools for the job or if there is something I could be doing better or in addition?
Overclocking.
I'm using SetCPU. Overclocking the general usage a little, with 3 profiles. standard clock speed at 25% (priority 80). underclock at 15% (priority 90). and minum CPU speed with screen off (priority 100). SmartAssV2 Governor and noop scheduler.
RAM managment
I'm just leaving that to do its own thing as I dont think any additional app I add will improve performance.
Back up
Titanium Backup
Recovery
Currently using TWRP with my TF101
Storage
Both of my devices only have 16GB internal storage. I still wish to be able to hot swap my microSD cards though so am planning on using FolderMount in order to do this and making sure I dont access the mounted apps while an alternate microSD card is inserted.
Im also using DiskUsage to help identify and delete files on my device that arent required.
To explore and move my files I'm using ES File explorer.
Battery Saving
As I've already set the CPU speeds with SetCPU, the only additional app im using to help reduce battery usage is Auto Airplane mode.
I'm still quite the android novice so any suggestions of things I can do to improve my experience are welcomed.
Thanks
No takers on this then?
Any advice on battery saving apps and if they are worth it. The guy next to me at work swears by juice defender, but im skeptical that it would give me any benefits
in my opinion i dont think juice defender saves that much of batter , it just turns wifi and other things automatically which u can do manually..
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in my opinion i dont think juice defender saves that much of batter , it just turns wifi and other things automatically which u can do manually..
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Thats what I thought.. Appreciate the second opinion though. I'm always looking for things to tweek and improve
after a little more research, it seems wakelock and greenify might give me genuine battery life increase...