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Hi Folks,
I've a problem and I hope some of you guys can help me. I tried to install the latest nightly build of CyanogenMod on my SGS2 and unfortunally, my phone won't boot anymore.
I've got several backups from my phone I made using CWM Backup on my Harddrive but I am just able to copy them to my external SD card. However, CWM only finds backups on the internal SD card.
My question now is: How can I make CWM to look for backups on the external card or else: Is it possible to move to backups to the internal card (Keep in mind: I'm unable to boot).
I didn't find related issues on the board, so any help is appreciated!
Regards,
Manuel
i dont have the answer to your question but i'll share my similar experience of trying to flash cm rom.After unsuccesfully flashing cm rom (device wont boot anymore) i've downloaded a stock rom on my pc and flash it thru odin (entering downloading mode HOME + VOL- + POWER ).Once the device came back to life i just go on and continued experiencing
Hi Guys,
I'm sorry, I really did not want to bother you. However, I solved the problem by myself. The hint that helped me out can be found on androidforums.com.
I did not know that you are able to connect your pc to your phone (as a mass storage device) from CWM Recovery itself (see linked post). After copying the backup to my internal storage via USB, I was able to restore it using CWM Recovery.
Nevertheless, thanks for all the other useful tipps on this forum, I'm so glad to have my phone back! Amazing...
Greets,
Manuel
PS: I'm not yet allowed to post links here, but the post mentioned can be found on androidforums.com under "> Android Phones > Samsung Galaxy S2 > Galaxy S2 - All Things Root > Semi Bricked Help!" Post #9: "Boot into recovery, connect to the PC via USB, go to "mounts and storage" and select "mount USB storage"." After that your device is recognized by your os as a mass storage device.
Boot into CWM, Mount & Storage, Mount USBStorage, plug phone into PC, copy files to internal SD, unplug, flash, voila.
edit: seems im too late x)
Late or not, thanks a lot, mate! ;-)
You see, I'm happy...
BTW: Can I edit the title to prepend a [SOLVED´]?
now that you are back on the road i can reccomand you a CyMode rom tested by me and is the fastest and simplest rom ,worth trying without warrying :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1170249 . good luck
i think there is not possible
vazovskiiii said:
i think there is not possible
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Hi,
I have a similar problem but mine isn't solved - not realising the SGS2 has internal SD storage I've stupidly managed to do a nandroid backup and then format the internal SD. Have tried to mount the storage as mentioned above but the PC doesn't see the internal SD.
Help!!
George
So, first of all, a big hello to the community! Spent the last 2 hours digging around the forum, as I'm a new user and I'm amazed with this big things Galaxy has to add! I came from a Symbyan platform, and the only thing I done was Flash my Nokia 5800 with a C6 FW by PHNT.
Few days ago, I moved to this awsome Android world, where I see alot fo stuff new to my eyes, and that I wish some replys from you guys.
You all gonna say this questions are answered elsewhere, but I digged the forum, and I find the most various kind of answers for the same questions, which I'm now pretty much confused.
The thing is, I want to apply this CM7.1(or , dunno which is better), from what I see, it improves greatly our Galaxy Ace, but on the other hand, I saw a post that says taht this is simple as Root(Which I've done already), and apply a CWM or something, and apply the CM7.1 same way as Rooting.
The fulcral questions is which is the safest(and noobier-frindly) way to apply that CM 7.1?
Also if someone can aid me, what CWM does exactly? Its a backup app like TitaniumBackup?
I think you did not read This my friend.
And CWM is a custom recovery which has a lot more features than stock recovery.
CWM5 can be found Here
The tutorial is at the first link I gave you. But if you didn't understand,
I'll tell you step-by-step
1. Download the rom and CWM and put it in your phone.
2. Enter recovery and choose install zip from SD then choose CWM.
3. Reboot and enter recovery again.
4. Your now in CWM Recovery, before flashing any rom, doa wipe data.
5. Choose install zip fom SD card and choose CM7.1/2
reboot then voila
Hited Thanks for you!
Really helpfull thread! How did I missed it lol!
So the thing taht really caught my attention was the option to don't waste internal memory, which is exactly the only reason I wanted to Cyan Mod.
If it's not a hassle to you, can you pinpoint me the EXACT file to run from CWM? I really don't wanna mess up my phone(though I will only apply it after I buy my 16GB SDcard soon).
Here's where I stand:
1-> I rooted my device with some root I found over youtube, worked fine, then google play said me to update the superuser app, so I did. I guess it's updated, no problems there.
2-> Now I need CWM(I got a file named "recovery-clockwork-5.0.2.6-galaxyace-fix.zip", should I use that one or try to find the v4 one?
3-> Then I need to run on Home Button+Power to install that mod, but here comes 4 questions:
"You need to extend the internal app storage to the sd card. The FIRST thing you need to do is go back to Clockworkmod recovery mode and partition your sdcard so that it has a ext4 extension. Then update from ketut.kumajaya's post with cf-rootdtapps2sd???.zip(forgot the full name). That defaults all downloaded apps to run from the sd card."
3.1-> Does CWM have the partition option already? And does it formats the SDcard?
3.2-> Can u direct me the EXACT file so I don't mess this up?
3.3-> This doesn't wipes any data from the phone right?
3.3.3-> And what about the apps alraedy installed and using the internal memory even though they are "in SD card, as phone shows", i need to reinstall them right?
Ty again for any hassle done! And I will thank you agani, just for wasting the time here with me
2. Ok flash that. Some roms are compatible with that but not on v4
3. No. Don't use CFRoot. It's for stock roms only.
3.1 Yes, you can partitition SD card on CWM.
And yes, it wipes everything in your SD
and after you have partitioned it, download Link2sd from the market, choose ext4 then link every app (except system apps of course)
I guess that answers all, just didn't get what u meant by that, do i use taht version 5 or the v4 of CWM? And what is a stock rom? I never changed nothing on my phone except the Rooting.
NunoPitbull said:
I guess that answers all, just didn't get what u meant by that, do i use taht version 5 or the v4 of CWM? And what is a stock rom? I never changed nothing on my phone except the Rooting.
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stock roms are roms made by samsung. Your currently in a stock rom but you are going to CM7 so don't use it anymore. Use v5
Wait, can't I have that Mod to save all in SDcard and save internt memory? I just want that thing, I dont have Cyan mod if I can do that without it
Can u pinpoint me to the correct file please?
NunoPitbull said:
Wait, can't I have that Mod to save all in SDcard and save internt memory? I just want that thing, I dont have Cyan mod if I can do that without it
Can u pinpoint me to the correct file please?
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After you partition your sd card thorough cwm recovery, do a factory reset and then install cm7.2. Then you can use either s2e or link2sd or a2sd to free up your internal memory.
If you are asking for exact cm7.2 file, there are many of them. Try cm7.2 by vo1 first. Thread will be in development section created by Lovetz.
It seems your not really getting what I mean
First I wanted the CM7 mod, BUT after reading that thread you showed me, I saw its possible to free up internal memory WITHOUT the need of installing CM7, and installing that other file right?
I just wanted to know which is the right file so I don't mess up. I just want to have the option to save all to SDcard, and not to use Internal memory. That was the reason I wanted CM7. Understand now?
use minitool partition wizard to repartition your sdcard. create two partition, both as primary, first partition as fat32 and second partition as ext2/ext3/ext4
http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html
then flash this from clockworkmod recovery. before flashing do mount system and data manually
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715940
then install this
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.elgubbo.a2sdGUI&hl=en
NunoPitbull said:
It seems your not really getting what I mean
First I wanted the CM7 mod, BUT after reading that thread you showed me, I saw its possible to free up internal memory WITHOUT the need of installing CM7, and installing that other file right?
I just wanted to know which is the right file so I don't mess up. I just want to have the option to save all to SDcard, and not to use Internal memory. That was the reason I wanted CM7. Understand now?
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I FULLY understand what you want And I am telling you that you do not need those files to transfer apps to sd. ust partition your SD via CWM, doanload Link2sd choose ext4 then link all of them
an0nym0us_ said:
use minitool partition wizard to repartition your sdcard. create two partition, both as primary, first partition as fat32 and second partition as ext2/ext3/ext4
http://www.partitionwizard.com/free-partition-manager.html
then flash this from clockworkmod recovery. before flashing do mount system and data manually
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715940
then install this
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.elgubbo.a2sdGUI&hl=en
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Doo:DAce said:
I FULLY understand what you want And I am telling you that you do not need those files to transfer apps to sd. ust partition your SD via CWM, doanload Link2sd choose ext4 then link all of them
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See what I mean? One guy tells me totally different apps to download + a PC program and to flash another app then you say, and you say with only 1 app + the Link2SD I can do it That's why I get confused ;p I guess both apps are good, which one the safest and best?
Doo:DAce said:
I FULLY understand what you want And I am telling you that you do not need those files to transfer apps to sd. ust partition your SD via CWM, doanload Link2sd choose ext4 then link all of them
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So it's only that? No need for that "update from ketut.kumajaya's post with cf-rootdtapps2sd???.zip(forgot the full name)" zip?
Also which CWM I use, v4 or the one I have?("recovery-clockwork-5.0.2.6-galaxyace-fix")
Lol they are many ways to partition your SD card ...cwm recovery eliminates the need of a PC but Mini tool partition wizard is recommended ( though I trust cwm recovery blindly )
Dragonoid said:
Lol they are many ways to partition your SD card ...cwm recovery eliminates the need of a PC but Mini tool partition wizard is recommended ( though I trust cwm recovery blindly )
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Can you tell me how is it partitioned?
First partition will be for photos etc, the 2nd will be for apps?
Can you pinpoint me the .apk file for CWM you use?
Also, what should I expect when doing the partition trought CMW? Its just an option saying to do the partition? I read taht is needed to mount/unmount things,I have NO IDEA on how to achieve that.
If u got access to pc, better do it on pc with minitool after making backup of your whole sdcard. Yes cwm can do it but who know when disaster strike u'll lose all your sdcard data. Better to be safe than sorry mate.
NunoPitbull said:
Can you tell me how is it partitioned?
First partition will be for photos etc, the 2nd will be for apps?
Can you pinpoint me the .apk file for CWM you use?
Also, what should I expect when doing the partition trought CMW? Its just an option saying to do the partition? I read taht is needed to mount/unmount things,I have NO IDEA on how to achieve that.
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Well cwm 5 can be found by Googling ( cwm 5 for Samsung galaxy ace)
2. It's not how you think ..once you partition your SD card the partition is inaccessible to you ..example if on a 2 gb card if u create a partition of 512mb when u go to settings the phone will read your SD card as 1.5 gb
3. Cwm guides are readily available on you tube
4. As the other guys have said b4 u need to use apps like link2sd to be able to use the partition ..entirely for apps alone ...s2e is the best but works ONLY on cm7
5. During the partition process your SD card will be formatted !!!
Backup your Data first! !!!!
6. Anything else???
P.S. I can't provide links as I m on my phone and even on a PC I would have advised u to Google
So, in your example, on a 2GB card, the phone will read only 1,5GB, so what will be that 1,5GB for? And the 512MB what will they be for?
Thanks for the reply
NunoPitbull said:
So, in your example, on a 2GB card, the phone will read only 1,5GB, so what will be that 1,5GB for? And the 512MB what will they be for?
Thanks for the reply
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1.5 gb will be for your media -photos videos files etc that 512 MB is accessible only through s2e,link2sd and other such apps( u see I know only these 2 ) this 512 MB can be used to store your apps ---I.e. move the dalvik cache to the SD card which in turn results in a lot of free internal space....
Once upon a time I had 120 apps on my phone and 50 MB was still remaining.
P.S. please don't ask what dalvik cache is ...Google it instead ..ull get better info
Dragonoid said:
1.5 gb will be for your media -photos videos files etc that 512 MB is accessible only through s2e,link2sd and other such apps( u see I know only these 2 ) this 512 MB can be used to store your apps ---I.e. move the dalvik cache to the SD card which in turn results in a lot of free internal space....
Once upon a time I had 120 apps on my phone and 50 MB was still remaining.
P.S. please don't ask what dalvik cache is ...Google it instead ..ull get better info
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So u still loose internal space even after this patchs?
I apologize if this has been answered somewhere else here before. I have been searching for days and have not found the full answers to my questions anywhere.
Recently I updated my GT-P7510 CM9 to an experimental CM10 from by pershoot. After getting it up and running I was looking at my internal storage usage and numbers didn't seem to add up (must have done a dirty flash at some point in the past to cause this). My internal storage in root explorer showed 8.93gb in use and 28.01 total storage. I copied everything to a USB drive to back it up and noticed there was only 7.45gb actually on the internal storage. I have seen this problem before on my S2, and I always just reformat the internal SD card (emmc) to regain the missing space. However, since the tab does not have a micro SD slot, I have no way of wiping the internal sdcard (data/media) without wiping out the rom too from how I understand it. Somebody correct me if I am wrong...
So, does anybody know of a way to successfully wipe/format the sdcard (data/media directory) in CWM or other method that will not wipe out the rom and send the device straight to cwm with no way to install a new rom? Or do I have to revert back to stock to accomplish the format of sdcard like I have read for a few other similar situations? Everything works fine (CM10 & CM9 both run awesome), I just want that extra 1.48gb of missing/phantom storage back. And, without mass storage mode, I cannot perform a disk check in win7. This has really got me frustrated to find a solution without having to start over. I wish this tab had a micro SD slot!
Currently I am running CM9 nightlies (7-31) for p4wifi (gt-p7510). My cwm recovery is version 6.0.1.0. Any help is greatly appreciated, and I do apologize if this has been covered before. Thanks in advance to those of you smarter than I.
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Ok, I seemed to have figured this one out and now feel pretty stupid for not digging a bit further before asking.
After I decided to go ahead with the sdcard format using CWM, I noticed that the space was still being used somewhere. After I started to dig a bit, I noticed that all of my apps still worked after the format. Basically, the extra space is being consumed by the /data/app folder housing all user apps. CWM must be designed to ignore this directory when formatting the internal sdcard which is why there was still some storage being used.
I feel like an ubernoob for asking this, but my S2's internal sdcard is not mapped to data/media, so I had to learn a bit better about how this thing works I suppose. Anyways, I hope this information can be useful to someone out there having similar questions.
bkress said:
I apologize if this has been answered somewhere else here before. I have been searching for days and have not found the full answers to my questions anywhere.
Recently I updated my GT-P7510 CM9 to an experimental CM10 from by pershoot. After getting it up and running I was looking at my internal storage usage and numbers didn't seem to add up (must have done a dirty flash at some point in the past to cause this). My internal storage in root explorer showed 8.93gb in use and 28.01 total storage. I copied everything to a USB drive to back it up and noticed there was only 7.45gb actually on the internal storage. I have seen this problem before on my S2, and I always just reformat the internal SD card (emmc) to regain the missing space. However, since the tab does not have a micro SD slot, I have no way of wiping the internal sdcard (data/media) without wiping out the rom too from how I understand it. Somebody correct me if I am wrong...
So, does anybody know of a way to successfully wipe/format the sdcard (data/media directory) in CWM or other method that will not wipe out the rom and send the device straight to cwm with no way to install a new rom? Or do I have to revert back to stock to accomplish the format of sdcard like I have read for a few other similar situations? Everything works fine (CM10 & CM9 both run awesome), I just want that extra 1.48gb of missing/phantom storage back. And, without mass storage mode, I cannot perform a disk check in win7. This has really got me frustrated to find a solution without having to start over. I wish this tab had a micro SD slot!
Currently I am running CM9 nightlies (7-31) for p4wifi (gt-p7510). My cwm recovery is version 6.0.1.0. Any help is greatly appreciated, and I do apologize if this has been covered before. Thanks in advance to those of you smarter than I.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1804824 Here's a topic about same problem,could say,U'll finde in replays all the information u need!
Vinchenzo13 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1804824 Here's a topic about same problem,could say,U'll finde in replays all the information u need!
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Although that is a similar problem, I asked if there is a way to fix it without going that route? I appreciate your reply, but I already knew it could be resolved by going back to stock (2nd paragraph of my post).
bkress said:
Although that is a similar problem, I asked if there is a way to fix it without going that route? I appreciate your reply, but I already knew it could be resolved by going back to stock (2nd paragraph of my post).
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Ow sorry didnt notice few words,i think u could just flash a cwm via odin wich can wipe/reset all data if im not mistaking,
I'll chek this out is there any cwm'ds who can do that,coz i rememba reading one forum where guy was complaining that he did wipe and everything was formated!
Vinchenzo13 said:
Ow sorry didnt notice few words,i think u could just flash a cwm via odin wich can wipe/reset all data if im not mistaking,
I'll chek this out is there any cwm'ds who can do that,coz i rememba reading one forum where guy was complaining that he did wipe and everything was formated!
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I can accomplish a full format of the internal sdcard on my galaxy s2 without it affecting the rom in any way whatsoever and it is running cwm 6.0.1.0 also. From how I understand it, the partitions are set up differently on the s2 and this device. The s2 has a separate partition for the internal sdcard making it possible to format via cwm. On this device, the sdcard is part of the data partition meaning wiping it will leave you with no rom installed and no storage on the sdcard. I think all versions of cwm can wipe the slate clean, it is just a matter of everything else being wiped clean also. But, if you are aware of a cwm that let's me accomplish this, I would love to find it. Thanks again.
galaxy s2
bkress said:
I can accomplish a full format of the internal sdcard on my galaxy s2 without it affecting the rom in any way whatsoever and it is running cwm 6.0.1.0 also. From how I understand it, the partitions are set up differently on the s2 and this device. The s2 has a separate partition for the internal sdcard making it possible to format via cwm. On this device, the sdcard is part of the data partition meaning wiping it will leave you with no rom installed and no storage on the sdcard. I think all versions of cwm can wipe the slate clean, it is just a matter of everything else being wiped clean also. But, if you are aware of a cwm that let's me accomplish this, I would love to find it. Thanks again.
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I have the same issue .. I was manually formatted using my windows 7 laptop.. flash back to old stock samsung firmware.. still 4.11 GB internal USb storage instead of 11.8 GB.. Any help please..
I think it's possible with adb shell (the android sdk for Windows)
Have you seen that : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1003645
Sent with my GT-P7500 CM10
Hi there
I am not very tech savy and I managed yesterday to install cyanogenmod on my i9100. The problem was that specific nightly I installed had a issue with not mounting the sd card. I read on the forum that this would be fixed in today's update.
So I loaded the new update of cyanogenmod on my sd card like I did yesterday thinking that the mount issue would be resolved if I boot into CWM wipe factory data and cache and the install the new ROM from the SD CARD. Basically do exactly what I did yesterday just with the new rom.
Alas the sd card would not mount. The only thing that could mount was internal sd storage. I did not save the ROM there so now my phone does not switch on when I press the power button but is does switch on when I want go into recovery and dowload mode.
This is what I did today
I installed siyah-v3.2b8 via odin
Then I did the same with CWM recovery
After this I booted into recovery mode and wiped factory data and cache.
My intention was to next install(or flash not sure what the right word is) CM10.1
Any help please. I have been looking around on the forums for solutions, but none are so similar to this. As I am just starting to learn how all of this works, I am not sure wether other solutions apply.
I am worried that I bricked the phone.
Thank you so much for any help. I will continue to look for a solution until I get a response.
BOOTLOOP
mattslbbr said:
Hi there
I am not very tech savy and I managed yesterday to install cyanogenmod on my i9100. The problem was that specific nightly I installed had a issue with not mounting the sd card. I read on the forum that this would be fixed in today's update.
So I loaded the new update of cyanogenmod on my sd card like I did yesterday thinking that the mount issue would be resolved if I boot into CWM wipe factory data and cache and the install the new ROM from the SD CARD. Basically do exactly what I did yesterday just with the new rom.
Alas the sd card would not mount. The only thing that could mount was internal sd storage. I did not save the ROM there so now my phone does not switch on when I press the power button but is does switch on when I want go into recovery and dowload mode.
This is what I did today
I installed siyah-v3.2b8 via odin
Then I did the same with CWM recovery
After this I booted into recovery mode and wiped factory data and cache.
My intention was to next install(or flash not sure what the right word is) CM10.1
Any help please. I have been looking around on the forums for solutions, but none are so similar to this. As I am just starting to learn how all of this works, I am not sure wether other solutions apply.
I am worried that I bricked the phone.
Thank you so much for any help. I will continue to look for a solution until I get a response.
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I get that I am in a boot loop.
Any ideas anybody. Most thankfull.
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mattslbbr said:
I get that I am in a boot loop.
Any ideas anybody. Most thankfull.
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I went into cwm ( think it comes with Siyah.)
I went to the following setting on the list after plugging the phone in the PC in recovery mode
- mounts and storage
then
- mount from usb storage
The internal SD was recognized and I just copied Cyanogenmod zip file over.
I then installed zip from internal sdcard.
and voila....it booted right in and the new nightly build sorted out the SD card problem. So far no further issues.
Thank you for the admin moving my post to the correct place. And I hope this helps.
Hi there,
I have the following issue and hope to find somebody with a solution here in the XDA-world...would be great.
Of course I did some searching before I post here, but the results are not sufficient for me...
I am using a 64 GB external SD card in my Samsung Galaxy S III since a few days. Before I put data to the card, I performed a format via the phone itself. The access works great - I can use all my files when I use the phone in normal operation. (with Ultima Rom).
Today I downloaded the latest ROM release and wanted to flash it via CWM 6.0.2.7 and I encountered a problem - I cannot access the external SD card in CWM recovery. It simply say´s "Can´t mount external SD".
Why is it? Any solution proposals? I used to have a 2GB card and the installations worked fine with CWM here....
Is it a wrong formatting probably? Or the size?
Thanks for any suggestions!!!
You should do some search before post, but since you are here, I give you some briefly information, but you have to search more details yourself.
1. 64 GB sdcard is formated in exFAT file system which CWM recovery doesn't support it, that's why you have problem with 64 , but OK with 2GB sdcard. (Some latest recovery has now support exFAT I think )
2. Solution, format your sdcard into FAT32 file system, or change to 32 GB sdcard because unless you have countless files or blue ray movies otherwise you won't need 64GB at all, that's what I did, I had 64 and change to 32 to avoid any kinda potential problem
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Dotterdroid said:
Hi there,
I have the following issue and hope to find somebody with a solution here in the XDA-world...would be great.
Of course I did some searching before I post here, but the results are not sufficient for me...
I am using a 64 GB external SD card in my Samsung Galaxy S III since a few days. Before I put data to the card, I performed a format via the phone itself. The access works great - I can use all my files when I use the phone in normal operation. (with Ultima Rom).
Today I downloaded the latest ROM release and wanted to flash it via CWM 6.0.2.7 and I encountered a problem - I cannot access the external SD card in CWM recovery. It simply say´s "Can´t mount external SD".
Why is it? Any solution proposals? I used to have a 2GB card and the installations worked fine with CWM here....
Is it a wrong formatting probably? Or the size?
Thanks for any suggestions!!!
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1. Use PhilZ Touch recovery (based on 6.0.2.8 - I think 6.0.2.7 was also very buggy - and with a new Samsung kernel supporting exFAT).
2. Format as FAT32.
I am currently using the 1st approach, but keep in mind that many ROMs (mostly based on CM10 stuff) still have a huge bug where the exFAT partition is not recognized but instead some stuff is written to the first sector - when that takes place just put the exFAT card in a SD-reader in Win7/8, reject any suggestion to format it and then from the command line run CHKDSK /F Letter:
Thank you!!!
Thanks a lot to both of you!!! It worked out! :highfive:
I also managed to search for "how to format an SDCard to FAT32", no problem.
To be honest I also had a look for a possible solution like you suggested prior to my post --> I just was not confident that these suggestions will solve the issue since I read many times "tried - but no success"...
I just wanted to be sure, coming back from work, not to spend hours to solve it, if you already have "the one working" solution available. Once again many thanks - I really appreciate this community, even if its my 2nd active post...