Hi,
Where I charge my TF300T, the cable is too short... and when I plug a usb cable extension, no charge. A friend tell me it's possible that if I want to extend the cable, I need a USB3.0 extension...
So? What cable I need to extend the lenght of the charging cable?
Thanks!
Same. Tried multiple extention cables (though no specific USB 3.0 extenders) and no dice. It will not charge, even though other devices charge flawlessly even when I plug them into a USB extention cable (iPhone, Samsung Galaxy's, PS3 controllers, camera's, etc.)
However, the Power output of the AC adaptor for the TF300 is either 5V - 2A, or 15V - 1.2A (in contrast to the power requirements of the above mentioned devices, which are tailored to comply with USB 2.0 standards). Default power draw on USB 2.0 on Battery Charging Spec 1.1 is 100mA (1A), so that would definitely seem to be the problem. I however haven't yet had the opportunity to test a USB 3.0 extention cable, but I would assume these would do the trick, since USB 3.0 (or Battery Charging Specification 1.2) should be able to go up to 1.5A with a 5A max draw.
This thread for the TF101 shows why USB 2 extension cables don't work, and how to mod one to make it work.
A USB 3 extension cable would work too.
Consider getting the usb cable extender
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I have used the Monoprice USB 3.0 cable extender mentioned in the thread for the TF101.
I also bought an after market longer cable from Amazon that works great. Link here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007EIZ9B6/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00
i can confirm that the blue monoprice usb 3.0 extension works perfectly. i originally got it for my tf101 and am glad that its still useable on my tf300.
Here is a solution...
http://www.amazon.com/PWR-Charging-...36150&sr=1-1&keywords=asus+tf300+charge+cable
Just got this one on Ebay. Looks good and the price wasn't bad at all.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320954533106?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2648
if you are just looking to wall charge it, get an extension cord at the dollar store
thats what i use
extention cord will be best.
thanks for the links. have been wondering about cable length and didn't want to add another cord to plug into the wall.
does the cable change when plugged into a PC? wife took off with laptop and didn't notice when I rooted.
macgyver40 said:
thanks for the links. have been wondering about cable length and didn't want to add another cord to plug into the wall.
does the cable change when plugged into a PC? wife took off with laptop and didn't notice when I rooted.
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Did you mean me does it charge? If so then the answer is yes but not fast. It is pretty much a trickle charge when plugged in to a PC. A pc does not put out a large enough charge via USB for the tf300 to charge properly. It would take forever for the tablet to charge.
You need a 15v plug like the one that comes stock with the Transformer.
Pretty much the only thing the USB cable is good for with a pc is to transfer data.
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wetbiker7 said:
Did you mean me does it charge? If so then the answer is yes but not fast. It is pretty much a trickle charge when plugged in to a PC. A pc does not put out a large enough charge via USB for the tf300 to charge properly. It would take forever for the tablet to charge.
You need a 15v plug like the one that comes stock with the Transformer.
Pretty much the only thing the USB cable is good for with a pc is to transfer data.
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thanks for all the info and yes I was talking about charging. Was working on a phone and my tablet when I was leaving the post.
Rambytes said:
Hi,
Where I charge my TF300T, the cable is too short... and when I plug a usb cable extension, no charge. A friend tell me it's possible that if I want to extend the cable, I need a USB3.0 extension...
So? What cable I need to extend the lenght of the charging cable?
Thanks!
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Hey,
I had this similar problem with my asus TF300T, I used to have a cable +-1.5m long or longer, then I had to send it back for repair.
Couple of days later I received a new charging cable, though it was 1.30m long or less. Which is very uncomfortable when using the tablet at the same time as it is charging. So I phoned Asus Support. They told me that it is indeed possible that some tablets are sold with a smaller cable. These are most likely the newer ones.
I asked if I could send back the shorter cable (which was broken upon delivery) and receive a longer one as the one I used to own.
They told me that Asus has stopped making cables any longer then 1.30m. Though costumer service had no clue why.
They suggested me to send the cable back and to include a note in the package that I used to have a longer cable and I would like to have a similar one back. Of course I was very polite etc, and it worked!
So as Asus' costumer service says : "Asus themselves owns very few longer cables, they don't produce the longer ones anymore and moved to a shorter standard cable. Only if you are lucky you can get your hands on an older long cable".
Of course this doesn't stop you from looking for other third party cables.
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i bought two extra usb cables from amazon, i can't link to them since i don't have enough posts yet, but they're the "EMPIRE USB Data Cable for Verizon HTC ThunderBolt" from amazon
i intentionally looked for some that said for use with thunderbolt in case there was something different than just a micro-usb cable; however, it does not seem that these cables charge as well as the cable that ships. it takes several hours even when trying to charge with the original AC adapter using one of these cables vs the ~1.5-2 hours with the cable that comes with. When trying to use a computer or a car adapter it just holds the charge steady, if using navigation it actually drops battery while plugged in!
is there something i'm missing here? they should all be the same right? can anyone point me to some that actually work? (preferably from amazon since i have gift cards there)
I've had the same problem.
Make sure you are getting the correct voltage. I think my issues are that USB is a slower charge than outlets and the "extra" charger I had was for my bluetooth which had a lower voltage.
strobieone said:
I've had the same problem.
Make sure you are getting the correct voltage. I think my issues are that USB is a slower charge than outlets and the "extra" charger I had was for my bluetooth which had a lower voltage.
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yeah, i understand that usb from the computer will be a lower voltage, which is what i thought the issue was at first. but then i tried using the original AC adapter with the replacement usb cable and it was slower than the original cable. i don't see why the cable would make a difference, but it definitely appears to.
i downloaded the current widget and can see that just swapping between the OEM cable and the aftermarket cable the charging current is quite different. ~+600ma with the OEM and -100ma to +300ma with the aftermarket (yes at times it was LOSING charge while plugged in using the aftermarket)
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yeah, i understand that usb from the computer will be a lower voltage, which is what i thought the issue was at first. but then i tried using the original AC adapter with the replacement usb cable and it was slower than the original cable. i don't see why the cable would make a difference, but it definitely appears to.
i downloaded the current widget and can see that just swapping between the OEM cable and the aftermarket cable the charging current is quite different. ~+600ma with the OEM and -100ma to +300ma with the aftermarket (yes at times it was LOSING charge while plugged in using the aftermarket)
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You should never use any other cable than the one provided with your Thunderbolt. On the site it may say that it "Works" with the Thunderbolt but that doesn't mean you are going to get the performance you need out of it. I have had that problem plenty of times with older cables and sadly it keeps me buying the slightly overpriced cables from Verizon so I know that I get what I need.
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yeah, i understand that usb from the computer will be a lower voltage, which is what i thought the issue was at first. but then i tried using the original AC adapter with the replacement usb cable and it was slower than the original cable. i don't see why the cable would make a difference, but it definitely appears to.
i downloaded the current widget and can see that just swapping between the OEM cable and the aftermarket cable the charging current is quite different. ~+600ma with the OEM and -100ma to +300ma with the aftermarket (yes at times it was LOSING charge while plugged in using the aftermarket)
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It sounds like a defective cable. Check to see how it's charging (AC or USB). If it says USB when connected to the HTC charger, the cable is bad.
I use micro-USB cables I got from Monoprice, no problems.
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It sounds like a defective cable. Check to see how it's charging (AC or USB). If it says USB when connected to the HTC charger, the cable is bad.
I use micro-USB cables I got from Monoprice, no problems.
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It's not defective, it's just not designed for charging. OP, always make sure it says it is a charger cable, not a data cable, when you buy one.
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It's not defective, it's just not designed for charging.
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BS. You have no clue what you're talking about. The TB follows the USB charging specification.
The thing about USB (Universal serial bus) cables is that they are UNIVERSAL. It doesn't matter where you get them from, what they say, or what they are branded. They have to meet certain specs (including materials and current capacity) in order to get the USB label.
If you're having a problem, I am 99% sure the cable is not the issue.
Try out monoprice.com. I've used them for years. You can get 3 wall chargers, 5 USB cables and 2 car chargers (all 1A) for like $25, shipped.
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BS. You have no clue what you're talking about. The TB follows the USB charging specification.
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The thing about USB (Universal serial bus) cables is that they are UNIVERSAL. It doesn't matter where you get them from, what they say, or what they are branded. They have to meet certain specs (including materials and current capacity) in order to get the USB label.
If you're having a problem, I am 99% sure the cable is not the issue.
Try out monoprice.com. I've used them for years. You can get 3 wall chargers, 5 USB cables and 2 car chargers (all 1A) for like $25, shipped.
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yeah, i'm with you, that's why i posed to see if there was something i'm missing and didn't know about. i'm a computer engineer so i know a cable is a cable is a cable, which is why i was like wtf when these didn't work the same.
thanks all, at least i know i didn't miss something and these should work the same.
ive had this problem on every phone. takes forever to charge through usb.
A USB cable is a USB cable is a USB cable is a USB cable.
If you are doing seat of your pants checks on charging, etc, they are never going to be accurate. CPU usage, network usage, etc while the phone is charging will affect how quickly it does charge. The stock charger provides 1000mA to charge the device, if you are using it, or another app is doing something (downloading data, using cpu, etc) it will not charge as quickly because power is being drained as it is being charged.
There is too much that would cause a slower charge state that you can't compensate for by a seat of the pants judgement on charging.
Its all about the mA.
No, thats not a storm. Its just my Thunderbolt layin down this post.
I have the same issue. I have tried four different usb cables with the oem charger and only two charge normally, the oem and one that I had with an old phone that I put a mini to micro adapter on to fit. The other two, one actually micro one mini to micro adapted, charge extremely slow. Yes a cable is a cable, but given I use the oem charger, the only differing things are the cables.
For what it's worth, I hate to burst your bubbles but not all USB cables are equal. And, in fact, not all phones are optimized for USB cables. Just because a cable looks like a USB cable and works as a USB cable doesn't mean that it is ONLY a USB cable. There are quite a few devices out there that can be charged (albeit slowly) with a USB cable but can be charged quickly with a cable that you only think is a USB cable. Take the Nook Color, for instance. The cable that it comes with looks like a USB cable on all accounts, but it's not. I forget which (both are techniques currently used) but either it has extra pins or has a data pin repurposed to provide additional power so it can charge faster. There are quite a few devices out there that are like this, and it seems like the number of these devices just keep growing and growing.
Now these "non-USB" devices still support USB standards, and can be charged via USB standard cables. However, they are optimized for non-USB standards and charge faster with these non-USB cables.
I'm honestly not sure if our Thunderbolts are such a device or not, and if the cables that they come with are such cables. They very well could be, and what the OP claims goes along with that theory. But honestly, I simply do not know.
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Oh, and one more example. Go take a look at the custom "USB" cables that Team Blackhat had made that can power Motorola devices in CWM without a battery in the device. This is yet another example of where a USB cable isn't a USB cable.
Having the data pins connected to 5v sources is part of the charger itself; it has nothing to do with the cable.
Every USB cable has 4 pins: two 5v+, a gnd and a 5v- if the second + and - aren't connected to a source in the charger, you will only get a 0.5A charge, and it will go slow. If the charger DOES have them connected, you get the full 1A, and a much faster charge.
If the charger or cable is anything different then it is not USB. End of story. I know some phones have extra pins in the USB location for video out, for example, but those don't interfere with the standard USB pins.
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Every USB cable has 4 pins: two 5v+, a gnd and a 5v-
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Wrong, kinda. Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nook_Color#USB_port
The Nook Color uses a modified connector with two depths. The first depth is compatible with micro-usb (5-conductor), while the second depth has 12 conductors. This change was made to increase the amount of power available to charge the larger battery of the Nook Color when using the included cable.
Because of this, the USB cable included with the Nook Color is physically incompatible with other devices employing standard micro-usb connectors. However, the Nook Color itself is physically compatible with standard micro-usb cords.
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Now I realize that calling this a "USB Cable" might be stretching the definition of "USB Cable" (hence the "wrong, kinda" comment) but more than likely, most people have no clue that one cable is different than another, so the end result is that, for all practical purposes, we DO have different types of USB cables.
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Every USB cable has 4 pins: two 5v+, a gnd and a 5v- if the second + and - aren't connected to a source in the charger, you will only get a 0.5A charge, and it will go slow. If the charger DOES have them connected, you get the full 1A, and a much faster charge.
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Close, but not quite.
The pins are +5, Ground, +D and -D. All power is drawn through the +5 and Ground lines. The D lines are used for data transfer.
Per the USB specifications, a device can only draw 100 mA without enumerating (negotiating via USB, implies both ends have "intelligence"). If it can enumerate, it can negotiate for up to 500 mA (e.g. plugged into a PC which has a "driver" which recognizes the phone).
There are also specifications for DCPs (Dedicated Charging Ports). For these, the D+ and D- pins (the center two in a full sized USB connector) on the charger must be connected together with no more than 200 Ohms. These ports must provide at least 500 mA, but can provide more (micro-USB connectors are rated to 1.8 A). That's how the phone knows it can draw more than 100 mA from a "dumb" power adapter.
The TB follows the USB charging spec. Here are some things that can happen.
If it's plugged into a charger which doesn't follow the USB spec (D+ and D- not connected together, these are fairly common), it can only draw 100 mA. It doesn't matter if you bought a "2.5 Amp USB charger," if the charger doesn't follow the spec, a device which does isn't supposed to draw more than 100 mA. That's enough to charge it very slowly when the screen is off and it's idling. If the phone is doing anything, the battery will actually be discharging. This is a problem which seems to be common with many car chargers. A lot of device will ignore the 100 mA spec limit, and draw whatever they can, which is why they will charge from an improper adapter.
It's plugged into a PC with no driver - same thing.
It's plugged into a PC with a driver - it can negotiate and pull 500 mA. This is enough to charge while running in almost all cases (it might be on the edge if streaming video via 4G with GPS on, etc.) It will charge, but not as fast as it could.
For all of the above, a TB will show "USB" as the charging type.
It's plugged into a USB DCP. By spec, these must be able to deliver at least 500 mA. The AC adapter shipped with the TB is marked 1.0 A, and the phone won't draw more than 1.0 A (the most I've seen it use to charge the battery is ~800 mA). This will allows the fastest charging. With a DCP, the TB will show "AC" as the charging type.
Cables can have the same effect - all USB cables are supposed to be basically the same. But, some manufacturer's play loose with the spec. They may have "USB" cables with resistors or other changes inside which signal different things to a device. They may not have proper gauge wiring. It may just be a bad cable. Etc.
I've charged the TB with the stock AC charger using both the stock cable, and one I got from Monoprice. Works fine. I've also got a USB hub I converted to a charging station (follows the spec for USB dedicated charging ports), and that works fine with both the original and the Monoprice cables.
I have run into "flaky" cables, where they only work right if jiggled around a bit. Maybe they've been flexed too much, and have an intermittent connection. Maybe the contacts have gotten dirty. I don't worry about it, I just throw those away, you can get new ones from Monoprice for less than a buck.
Thanks Mike S (Also my initials, lol) That's what I get for posting after staying up a bit too late.
well i just ordered two micro usb cables from monoprice. we'll see if those fare any better.
the only thing i can guess is the power wires are a small gauge in the cables i bought from amazon. monoprice has two different kinds, some use 28awg for both data/power and then they have some that have 24awg for power and 28awg for data. i'm hoping that getting the bigger wire for the power will solve the issue.
also, i've been using juiceplotter and you can visibly see the slope of the charge change when switching just between these cables i bought vs the stock one when using the HTC charger so i'm pretty certain it's the cable.
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i've been using juiceplotter
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Battery Monitor Widget will do that, and more, including telling you whether it's charging AC or USB.
You can also check the charging type from Home Settings/About Phone/Battery/Battery Status.
I have noticed the NT only charges when using the AC charger and not when connected to a PC like phones. It even has to use the cable it came with as normal micro usb cables do not work (not for charging anway). Is this right or is this posdibly a hidden setting somewhere I have missed?
romified said:
I have noticed the NT only charges when using the AC charger and not when connected to a PC like phones. It even has to use the cable it came with as normal micro usb cables do not work (not for charging anway). Is this right or is this posdibly a hidden setting somewhere I have missed?
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The computer does not provide enough amps to charge it. The first day I got mine I plugged the usb into a phone wall charger and it indicated it was charging but didnt seem to be increasing charge. I left it overnight and when I woke up i checked the charge...it didnt budge. I looked at the two wall chargers. The phone charger is a 1 amp charger while the nook charger is 1.9amp. Considering a usb from the computer only provides .5 amps there is no way it will charge.
This is the same as the nookcolor. They use the same charger and have the same limitations.
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In addition to the current difference, the cable that comes with the NC or NT has a different MicroUSB end. It is a little longer to reach the higher current pins. There are several discussions in the NC Accessories forum that go into the details.
The NC can charge via pc, as long as the usb hub is powered, or the usb ports are powered, with the provided cable micro usb cable.
Other tablets can charge over .5amp USB so it should work on the NT unless they intentionally designed it to be limited. The Lenovo ThinkPad tablet and iPad both worked via .5amp USB. Just very slowly (had to put iPad in sleep mode).
EDIT: iPad 1 for clarification, never owned the second.
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I have a newer motherboard (Gigabyte Z68XP-UD4)
when I plug my Nook Tablet into the front USB, it doesn't charge. But I just plugged it in at about 80% power into the rear USB that was red and labelled "3x USB Power" and it charged WHILE I was transferring files.
I didn't know it was charging until I plugged it into the AC and it showed 100%.
I can confirm it with video evidence if you need it because I'm not one to spread misinformation.
My Giga X58A-UD7 will charge mine too. The option must be enabled in The BIOS in order for the additional Amps to be dispensed. And, it will only work on the onboard (rear) USB ports.
Am I correct in thinking that the USB Standard must include a provision for optional high power pins that may not be present in all USB cables - or chargers?
If I have a standard microUSB cable, can I use my 3x port to charge my NT or do I need to use the special longer connector cable that came with the NT?
Another poster said the Nook USB connector was actually longer, so the high power pins would reach the recessed ones.
Bottom line - don't assume just any cable will work.
Are thenook color and tablet chargers the same? im looking to pick up a spare on ebay,
It's the same thing as the ipad. It will say not charging but it actually does just reaaaaaaaaaaally slow.
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Are thenook color and tablet chargers the same? im looking to pick up a spare on ebay,
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They appear to be the same or at least work the same. I have one charger downstairs and one upstairs and the tablet and color charge fine on either one. Just make sure to use the B&N cable, unless you want to wait a while.
So does anybody know where we can pick up chargers cheap? I already have like 5 micro usb chargers and it sucks I cant use them.
AFAIK the NT and NC use the same power supply. My NC with CM 7.1 draws about 600-700 milliamps (according to the Battery Monitor Widget). I have successfully charged it from a PC using a standard micro USB cable. Here's the catch:
- when you connect the tablet to the charger it will turn on. Power down the tablet completely. It will then charge, but takes about 12 hours.
NT uses a 12pin micro USB cable as NC, it seems a special standard, if we use standard 5pin micro USB, only connect to computer is OK, but seems have some trouble to charge, could we find any replacement one?
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NT uses a 12pin micro USB cable as NC, it seems a special standard, if we use standard 5pin micro USB, only connect to computer is OK, but seems have some trouble to charge, could we find any replacement one?
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You'll need to purchase from B&N (unless somebody else can find another source). It is unique. If you look at it, the connector not only has 12 pins, but is longer. The extra length is what initiates contact for charging.
Although its slower to charge attached to the PC (500mA instead of 2A), it does charge. I left mine overnight and it was fully charged using a standard micro-usb cable.
My Samsung Galaxy Tab is like this. There is a software work around that makes it charge faster over USB (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1323957). This gives hope that someday we get similar functionality.
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Although its slower to charge attached to the PC (500mA instead of 2A), it does charge. I left mine overnight and it was fully charged using a standard micro-usb cable.
My Samsung Galaxy Tab is like this. There is a software work around that makes it charge faster over USB (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1323957). This gives hope that someday we get similar functionality.
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I have heard it will only charge on PC via USB if the screen is off. Otherwise, it uses too much power to really charge it.
What would happen if I put the USB port into a power adapter? I use them to charge my phones when I don't have access to my laptop's USB ports.
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What would happen if I put the USB port into a power adapter? I use them to charge my phones when I don't have access to my laptop's USB ports.
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Make sure it provides the correct amount of power first.
donbowman said:
Although its slower to charge attached to the PC (500mA instead of 2A), it does charge. I left mine overnight and it was fully charged using a standard micro-usb cable.
My Samsung Galaxy Tab is like this. There is a software work around that makes it charge faster over USB (see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1323957). This gives hope that someday we get similar functionality.
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only the output will affect? if i found a charge head that provides 2A output will it work?
FWIW...
I tried using the official Nook cord with an Apple iPad (2 amp) usb charger. The NT never indicated that it was charging.
I tried using a quality micro USB cord with an iPad charger and with the official Nook charger, but it never indicated that it was charging.
I haven't tried a standard micro USB cord to a PC (yet).
So far, only official Nook cord and official Nook charger work for me. Alas.
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FWIW...
I tried using the official Nook cord with an Apple iPad (2 amp) usb charger. The NT never indicated that it was charging.
I tried using a quality micro USB cord with an iPad charger and with the official Nook charger, but it never indicated that it was charging.
I haven't tried a standard micro USB cord to a PC (yet).
So far, only official Nook cord and official Nook charger work for me. Alas.
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using the nook cord here with my htc phone charger. all works well
None of my generic USB cords work.
USB Extension cables appear to work with charger
I tried a USB extension cable with the Nook charger and it does work. That means, I think, that the A end of the USB is standard.
I know nobody wants to sacrifice the Nook cable but I'm surprised no one has done this yet. I thought at least the Nook Color cable would be cross-compatible with the NT and someone would have buzzed out the Color cable by now.
There's the bi-color charge LED, but I can't see how they could put a charge chip in there; no room.
This cable is unique....and poorly constructed/misaligned to the 2 prong AC adapter. The USB does not fully insert into the AC Adapter. If not perfectly placed/propped while plugged in to charge, the NT does not charge or charges slowly.
My remedy has been to move the NT closer to the plug so that there is little to no bend in the cable leading to NT.
Will B&N send another if I request online/call? Or, must I unroot and go to a B&N?
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FWIW...
I tried using the official Nook cord with an Apple iPad (2 amp) usb charger. The NT never indicated that it was charging.
I tried using a quality micro USB cord with an iPad charger and with the official Nook charger, but it never indicated that it was charging.
I haven't tried a standard micro USB cord to a PC (yet).
So far, only official Nook cord and official Nook charger work for me. Alas.
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I have an Apple USB extender between the Nook wall plug and USB cable. Charges fine.
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This cable is unique....and poorly constructed/misaligned to the 2 prong AC adapter. The USB does not fully insert into the AC Adapter.
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Yeah, it's terrible. I don't have any charging issues, but the misalignment causes a ton of electricity to leak, so don't leave it on a couch or a fuzzy blanket unless you want (shockingly) pleasant surprises for hours. I wish they would make an all-in-one-piece as well (do they? would be a good add-on). Sheesh, poor design.
With the billions and billions of 3rd party cords out there, it seems amazing that none exist for the nook tablet. I don't really wanna pay 30 bucks for a backup charger.
2mA too much?
I noticed that the official Nook charger output is rated at 1.9mA - I've just bought a generic 2.0mA USB plug adapter and am hoping that it will work with the existing Nook USB cable. I'm hoping the extra 100mA won't fry the thing...
The extra pins in the Micro end of the Nook USB cable are used to support the higher power draw of the Nook when charging at full rate (2.0A) since the max rated current of a Micro-USB connector is only 1.8A. I am sure they also use the additional pins to make the cable proprietary and possibly also control the bi-color LED. The extra pins are set further into the connector so that they do not cause compatibility problems with standard Micro-USB cables.
In addition to this, the charger brick that comes with the Nook has its Data lines shorted, to each other I believe, to indicate to the Nook that it is plugged into an adapter and not a computer.
The combination of those two things is what is needed for the Nook to charge at its full charge rate. Since the USB A end of the cable is a standard 4-pin design, extension cables that offer all 4 pins/wires will work fine.
The Apple adapter (even the 2.0A version) will not work because it uses a voltage divider (couple of resistors) on the data lines to indicate to the iPod/iPhone what style charger it is (1.0A or 2.0A). One of the data lines is held at 2.1V and the other at 2.7V. Depending on which one (D+ or D-) is at what voltage determines what style charger it is. So the Nook does not recognize the "non-zero" voltage values on the data lines and assumes it is a PC, so it will only charge at 500mA.
Other vendors power bricks use the same "short the data lines" trick as the Nook adapter so several others will work. I believe as mentioned already in this post that HTC uses this same method.
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Be careful though because if the adapter is rated at less than 2.0A (e.g. 1.0A) you could cause damage or fire. I am not sure if the Nook will slow down charging if it detects the charge voltage dropping if it is trying to pull too much power out of an underrated supply.
If you really want to use your Apple IPad adapter with your Nook Color/Tablet cable you could modify a USB A/A extension cable to disconnect the Data lines and then tie together only the data lines on the side of the cable that will go to the Nook. Again, this can be dangerous, I can not take any responsibility if you attempt to do this.
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USB A/A Extension Cable
[ ] GND ----------------------------------------------------- GND [ ]
[ ] D+ ------} <-tied to D- cut and taped-> D+ [ ]
[ Nook ] D- ------} <-tied to D+ cut and taped-> D- [ Adapter ]
[ ] +5V ----------------------------------------------------- +5V [ ]
AdamOutler has confirmed that it will charge on any usb cable, but the tab must be off and it will not show signs of charging. I'm pretty sure that this was charging from the computer.
My device battery is way low.. I'm charging on normal USB so it's trickling up at a rate of about 0x0010 per 2 minutes. At this rate, the device will be ready to use in aproximately 1.5 hours... And until then i'm sure nothing will show on the screen.
This may or may not apply to using the Barnes and Nobel cable. I do not have one available though.
So, if you ever come across a situation where the device won't turn on even after being plugged in, leave it plugged in for a few hours. It could have a case of the "sleeping death".
Also, I'm able to verify that the device... even when totally powered off will charge on a standard USB cable.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20905962&postcount=190
Has anyone else had issues with the end that plugs into the nook bending out of place and preventing the cable from working? Since its the cable that is not working and since the tab is still under warranty can I take it back and get the cable replaced for free?
bscythe said:
the charger brick that comes with the Nook has its Data lines shorted, to each other I believe, to indicate to the Nook that it is plugged into an adapter and not a computer.
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Ahhh... So we can't use a generic power brick or car charger and have the NT charge at full rate (unless we also muck with the USB cable). Thanks for this info!
Just looking to confirm what I think I've deduced from the forum.
I can't charge my transformer when it's on or asleep with a standard USB charger, correct? I've invested in 2 different 2.0+ Amp 5V USB supplies and none seem to get the charge going on the Transformer. It sounds like I could turn OFF the unit and trickle charge it (by the way would the 2.0A charger be of any benefit in this circumstance?). It also sounds like the ASUS charger gives off 12V and that's what the Tranformer is expecting to get the charge going, right? If so, I'm definately dissappointed that ASUS went this approach- non-standard. I always like extra chargers for traveling and throughout the house and this has limited me. Anyway, if someone would be so kind as to reply to this and confirm I've read the threads correctly, I'd appreciate it.
The ASUS charger is 15V.
5V isnt nearly enough. If you got it powered OFF, you might be able to get it to full (from empty) in a few days (yes, days).
The TF can be charged normally with 10-15V.
I suggest you read this thread to get some other ideas.
Yea you need a 2 plus amp carger which also is 15 plus volts, and if you want to make your stock charge cable longer you have to use a male+female 3.0 usb cable... a 2.0 usb cant transfer enough power quick enouqh
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nbgorman said:
Yea you need a 2 plus amp carger which also is 15 plus volts, and if you want to make your stock charge cable longer you have to use a male+female 3.0 usb cable... a 2.0 usb cant transfer enough power quick enouqh
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So much misinformation in this post...
First... The real wall charger is 15v 1.2A. So the 2 amp is just bs...
Second... A usb 2.0 cable transfer power just as "quick" (wut?) as a usb 3.0.
The reason you need a 3.0 cable is because the charger is looking for connection on a pin only present on a usb 3.0 cable. If you dont use a usb 3.0 cable the wall charger will only send 5V.
This is done this way so you can use the wall charger for other devices apart from the TF.
You can open the charger up and bridge 2 connections to make it send 15v all the time. Then you can use a usb 2.0 cable just fine.
Please, try not to spread false information.
Goatshocker said:
So much misinformation in this post...
First... The real wall charger is 15v 1.2A. So the 2 amp is just bs...
Second... A usb 2.0 cable transfer power just as "quick" (wut?) as a usb 3.0.
The reason you need a 3.0 cable is because the charger is looking for connection on a pin only present on a usb 3.0 cable. If you dont use a usb 3.0 cable the wall charger will only send 5V.
This is done this way so you can use the wall charger for other devices apart from the TF.
You can open the charger up and bridge 2 connections to make it send 15v all the time. Then you can use a usb 2.0 cable just fine.
Please, try not to spread false information.
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Ahhh i see i read on the android forums that it was because the usb 2 didnt "move enough energy" i didnt realize it was because of a pin in the actual wall charger thanks for clearing that up
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Goatshocker said:
Please, try not to spread false information.
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I appreciate your knowledge- but please, try not to be a condescending jerk. They obviously didn't KNOW the information was false.
Goatshocker said:
So much misinformation in this post...
First... The real wall charger is 15v 1.2A. So the 2 amp is just bs...
Second... A usb 2.0 cable transfer power just as "quick" (wut?) as a usb 3.0.
The reason you need a 3.0 cable is because the charger is looking for connection on a pin only present on a usb 3.0 cable. If you dont use a usb 3.0 cable the wall charger will only send 5V.
This is done this way so you can use the wall charger for other devices apart from the TF.
You can open the charger up and bridge 2 connections to make it send 15v all the time. Then you can use a usb 2.0 cable just fine.
Please, try not to spread false information.
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Before you correct people how about you do your research first.
Actually if you read the wall plug it is a 15v 2-1.2A. You can DIY a charger as long as it can produce 11v+ at 1.2A-2A and will trigger the charge functions within the tab. USB 3.0 is only required with the stock charger.
Dynex sold "The Ultimate Charger DX-UA" that had a MAX setting of 11v but when tested actually produced 11.7v at 1.7A. I was able to find one but they are rare now bc they haven't been making them for over a year now. It comes with aton of adapters one being a USB. I use it often without issue.
Also they sell on Ebay USB car charger adapters rated at 12v at 2.0A I own one of these also and it works great with the stock cable.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087321
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zedorda said:
Before you correct people how about you do your research first.
Actually if you read the wall plug it is a 15v 2-1.2A. You can DIY a charger as long as it can produce 11v+ at 1.2A-2A and will trigger the charge functions within the tab. USB 3.0 is only required with the stock charger.
Dynex sold "The Ultimate Charger DX-UA" that had a MAX setting of 11v but when tested actually produced 11.7v at 1.7A. I was able to find one but they are rare now bc they haven't been making them for over a year now. It comes with aton of adapters one being a USB. I use it often without issue.
Also they sell on Ebay USB car charger adapters rated at 12v at 2.0A I own one of these also and it works great with the stock cable.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087321
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+1, I've been using the same charger for about a year myself. Also without any issues whatsover.
You can still find them on eBay occasionally.
Regards.
zedorda said:
Before you correct people how about you do your research first.
Actually if you read the wall plug it is a 15v 2-1.2A.
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Actually I think youre the one who should read the text on the wall plug.
It clearly says "15v - 1.2A". the 2A is for 5v. Not 15. 5.
digibucc said:
I appreciate your knowledge- but please, try not to be a condescending jerk. They obviously didn't KNOW the information was false.
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If they don't KNOW whether the information they are posting is true or false, then they shouldn't be posting it at all. That's just common sense.
I just hooked up my new Plugable 7 port USB 3.0 switch and although the speed is fine I noticed that the N3 still only charges at a lowly 450mA. Knowing that it should be capable of more, up to 4A in total, I decided to try a trick I'd been using for my Galaxy Tablets. These tablets won't normally charge from a non Samsung charger but with an inline dongle they will.
So I put the inline dongle between the switch and the USB 3.0 cable and presto, 1800mA charging current to my N3. Of course there is no data connection at that point but it's one less samsung adapter I need to keep around.
You can find the dongles here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190677630730?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
CraigAmey said:
I just hooked up my new Plugable 7 port USB 3.0 switch and although the speed is fine I noticed that the N3 still only charges at a lowly 450mA. Knowing that it should be capable of more, up to 4A in total, I decided to try a trick I'd been using for my Galaxy Tablets. These tablets won't normally charge from a non Samsung charger but with an inline dongle they will.
So I put the inline dongle between the switch and the USB 3.0 cable and presto, 1800mA charging current to my N3. Of course there is no data connection at that point but it's one less samsung adapter I need to keep around.
You can find the dongles here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190677630730?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
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Umm dude use a normal charger oh i don't know the one it came with lol. I have no issue charging at 1800 mAh with standard charger. I understand you're using a port to connect other various devices but reason it's charging at that low rate is because it's USB and not seeing as AC. Just charge your phone in a wall socket and use your port for your other devices.
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how do you guys get 1800mAh on a USB port?
i can't get more than 450mAh from the USB port
It only goes above 1000+ from the wall
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CraigAmey said:
I just hooked up my new Plugable 7 port USB 3.0 switch and although the speed is fine I noticed that the N3 still only charges at a lowly 450mA. Knowing that it should be capable of more, up to 4A in total, I decided to try a trick I'd been using for my Galaxy Tablets. These tablets won't normally charge from a non Samsung charger but with an inline dongle they will.
So I put the inline dongle between the switch and the USB 3.0 cable and presto, 1800mA charging current to my N3. Of course there is no data connection at that point but it's one less samsung adapter I need to keep around.
You can find the dongles here.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190677630730?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
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I just ordered two of those. Thanks...for a really good idea.
XxLostSoulxX said:
Umm dude use a normal charger oh i don't know the one it came with lol. I have no issue charging at 1800 mAh with standard charger. I understand you're using a port to connect other various devices but reason it's charging at that low rate is because it's USB and not seeing as AC. Just charge your phone in a wall socket and use your port for your other devices.
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AllGamer said:
how do you guys get 1800mAh on a USB port?
i can't get more than 450mAh from the USB port
It only goes above 1000+ from the wall
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What are these people above talking about?
Their response is irrelevant to the OP's post.
Why not try to READ the entire post FIRST, stop wasting our time reading your irrelevant BS.
CraigAmey said:
So I put the inline dongle between the switch and the USB 3.0 cable and presto, 1800mA charging current to my N3. Of course there is no data connection at that point but it's one less samsung adapter I need to keep around.
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interestingly enough, it seems to only work on USB 3.0 ports
i have the cable version of that dongle you are using
on USB 2.0 ports still doesn't go over 1000 mAh, but it does double the usual rate of 450 mAh
cable quality seems to make a difference too
klau1 said:
What are these people above talking about?
Their response is irrelevant to the OP's post.
Why not try to READ the entire post FIRST, stop wasting our time reading your irrelevant BS.
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i did if you read my post you'd understand he did a trick to where it charges @ 1800mA in the usb 3.0 port which is essentially a wall socket. he uses a port for several devices, if he didnt care that he cant access usb then whats the point in wasting a space on a port and just use the wall socket.
What if you don't have a wall socket or forget to bring your AC adapter?
klau1 said:
What if you don't have a wall socket or forget to bring your AC adapter?
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Were are plugging in that usb port?
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A Laptop
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A Laptop
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maybe you but the OP stated a 7 Port which means most likely it needs a power source i.e wall charger.
1. Even with an available wall power source, a USB Hub next to your keyboard is more convenient than the wall socket charger behind the computer.
2. A $5 adapter is cheaper than the original AC transformer.
3. You might not have the AC adapter with you when you're away from home but closer to another computer
4. A coin sized adapter is much easier to pack than an AC adapter
I'll be honest, I find myself in NUMEROUS situations where I have plenty of spare USB(3) ports but no spare wall plugs. My office is a prime example of this, from a 2-gang wall socket, we have 2x 8-socket extensions and those are all full. Some of those have another 4-gang extension coming from them, again full (mostly bloody adapters, so power draw isn't actually that higher - and yes we know it's a safety risk).
My computer, on the other hand, has something like 12 USB ports, of which about 8 are in use. Makes sense to me.
As someone pointed out the 7 port USB switch does have an AC adapter that provides 4A total. It's not that I don't have AC outlets at my desk, I have 10, but they're hidden behind a 400lb desk and not the easiest to get to whereas the USB switch sits within arms reach and is always on and available.
I also have several AC outlets around the house that have integrated USB charge ports. Given the number of devices that charge from USB these days these are very convenient but won't charge a Galaxy Tablet at all without the adapter. If you travel you will also find these at a lot of airports now too, usually located on the pillars in the waiting area.
In my experience at least it's a lot easier to find a spare USB port than an AC outlet, and that's assuming you have your charger with you. The adapter plug just helps you extract more charging current from what's available.