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I'm on my 2nd refurb in a week..the 1st ,the proximity sensor did not work..and now..using aokp my quadrant scores are like 2100..thats not any faster than the wife's Droid 2..that being said on orig rezound I was scoring around 3200..if any 1 can turn me onto a way of checking my 2nd core I would be plzed
System tuner from the app store. Although the second core only comes online when it's needed. You can force it online but all that will do is shorten your battery life.
Never trust benchmarks, especially when your wife's phone is different. My wife's phone has a higher score for graphics than my rezound, but that's because the Rezound has a lot more pixels to draw on account of its 720p screen
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You need to be careful which app you use with the stock kernel, they can cause issues with perflock just trying to monitor the cores.
Took your 2advice..ran system tuner and turned off pre flock with from rom toolbox..my score are back 2norm..just didn't want a burned up rez that Verizon flashed and sent like the 2nd one I had
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I am really wondering if the photon is running at 30 or less FPS. I notice a bad slow down even in the boot up sprint 4g animation. I also notice that the homescreen seems to lag pretty bad sometimes. Swiping through screens should produce no lag and with comparing models such as the Epic4g touch and Evo they don't suffer from this at all.
I know when the Evo, the original one was first released, that was a initial problem. I don't personally use what they call blur but even with 3rd party launchers I am noticing slow downs that shouldn't be happening on a phone with a dual core processor.
Don't get me wrong, I like the phone but it just doesn't seem to be as fast as other phones when it comes to day to day use. I'm watching videos from the Epic4g touch and it's buttery smooth. The Evo 3d was very smooth too. I retired that though.
Anybody else wondering the reason for the slow downs on this phone?
How many apps do you have installed, what mods if any are you running, we need details.
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45 apps and mods or root at the moment.
I was having this problem. Then I realized it was juice defender that was making this happen. I suspect that switching the radios on and off is what causes it to lag.
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I downloaded Fps test from the market, now im not sure how accurate it is but I get 59-60 fps
The results show that but the problem is lag is prevalent in some parts of the phone. For instance the camera app lags right after taking a pic. Watch how the pic shrinks right after the pic is snapped. Then go into the gallery and try to pinch to make the pic zoom in. Its horribly laggy and choppy. Also swiping homescreens it will lag sometimes. I have replaced it with quickpic and the launcher with go launcher. Just really wish I could just keep using the stock apps
I agree, the Photon seems to be very choppy with scrolling through home pages. But i don't notice it when I'm scrolling on web pages, and switching between apps is still very fast. Not to mention Google maps flies on this thing. Id love to hear some suggestions as well. BTW, I'm using LP+
I read an article the other day that stated that the Tegra 2 has a secondary arm 7 core that is low clocked and takes care of background syncing and audio and things like that especially when the device is asleep it allows the Tegra main cores to go into deep sleep saving battery. This combined with the radio saver which puts the radio to sleep, I think is causing the startup lag and other lag, the only time I ever get lag is when I turn the screen on, I used to noticed this same type of lag on my epic when I used set CPU and would set an alternate power setting when the screen would be off and I would lock it at 200 or 400 mhz and the lag would appear upon turning the screen on, then it would clear up when full power was restored. Im assuming the hand off is the problem from the slower core to the normal cores.
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I definitely agree that it is dual core related. These new dual core phones aren't being used fully due to battery savings. It makes me wonder why we need the dual core if one is dormant most of the time.
I think blur needs some serious optimization to make it run smoother. I was thinking about switching to the epic touch 4g but it looks like they are having all types of issues. The sad thing is I could get the phone for less than 100 on upgrade.
I hope Motorola starts really focusing on the updates to make the phone run smoother.
Couple build.prop tweaks and activating the second core to run all the time will speed things up
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jokersax11 said:
Couple build.prop tweaks and activating the second core to run all the time will speed things up
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I just loaded the newest unreleased build 198_6 and the phone seems to run a little less laggy. This helped with wifi and the homescreen scrolling. I still see slight lag but I guess I will have to live with that. The phone seems a little more snappy.
I do agree some tweaks are needed. We really need a fully unlocked bootloader so the Rome will come. Losing 4g with root right now is a hurdle that most wont mess with.
Try this open terminal app
Type su
Hit enter
Type echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/online
Hit enter
Reboot to undo.
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Ran a Nenamarks2 today and got 24.5 FPS.
I just switched over to the atrix from the infuse.. I have it unlocked and rooted.. Wanting to oc but not fully understanding so I'm taking it slow lol.. But i was wondering. How does the power of the 'FIRST' dual core stack up to compared to todays dual core phones?? Is this still a good phone (Since I just got it) and will it continue to be a good phone?
With a custom kernel, most benchmarks are placing it right under or even with SGSII... not bad considering that phone comes stock with 1.5 GHz dual core.
1.2 you mean?
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here's the thing for me, though: you're installing custom kernels and doing this and that to a phone to get it to perform at max capability.
but, to me, that's slightly artificial considering that if you did the same to another phone, then that phone's benchmarks would also be increased, therefore not really providing any gain for the original device.
that's how I currently see it. is that... correct? or... am I not understanding something...?
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here's the thing for me, though: you're installing custom kernels and doing this and that to a phone to get it to perform at max capability.
but, to me, that's slightly artificial considering that if you did the same to another phone, then that phone's benchmarks would also be increased, therefore not really providing any gain for the original device.
that's how I currently see it. is that... correct? or... am I not understanding something...?
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I'm not running a OC kernel, but Faux's enhanced kernel @ 1 GHz. The main thing was getting rid of motoblur, and freeing up the ram. My benchmarks aren't as fast as the SGSII, but they aren't miles behind either.... not bad considering it's half a year older. I happen to like Nivida's technology too, but that's just a personal preference.
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ifalldownalot said:
here's the thing for me, though: you're installing custom kernels and doing this and that to a phone to get it to perform at max capability.
but, to me, that's slightly artificial considering that if you did the same to another phone, then that phone's benchmarks would also be increased, therefore not really providing any gain for the original device.
that's how I currently see it. is that... correct? or... am I not understanding something...?
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That's correct. Right now, though, the difference is negligible. So negligible that only benchmarks will show the real difference. Now, there's several games that will work only on the Tegra platform because the other CPUs don't have the same capabilities in the graphics department.... though it's not like everyone writes games based on these settings or even optimize other games for them.
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I just switched over to the atrix from the infuse.. I have it unlocked and rooted.. Wanting to oc but not fully understanding so I'm taking it slow lol.. But i was wondering. How does the power of the 'FIRST' dual core stack up to compared to todays dual core phones?? Is this still a good phone (Since I just got it) and will it continue to be a good phone?
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Ahem... Optimus 2X claims the first prize
Anyway I don't have an Atrix 4G, I have an Optimus 2x, same CPU. In my opinion the Tegra seems on-par with the Galaxy S2.
I'm not sure if there is a CM7 for the Atrix, but on my Optimus it is at least 2x faster than the stock rom, benchmarks reflect that too.
SunSpider is a benchmark which basically tests various web rendering tasks and gives a total score at the end
On MIUI / 1.5GHZ the Galaxy S2 scored 1600 or so. On 1GHZ, my Tegra 2 scores 1800! A lot of it appears to be down to software though, rather than raw performance, for reference, an iPhone 4 using Safari gets 4700, an Acer Liquid Metal Black which has some sort of 800MHZ snapdragon (I think?) CPU gets 3800.
The iPhone 3GS on iOS 4.1 got 16,000 or some stupid figure, well below 10,000 on iOS 5 though. In short, I guess what I'm saying is it's more down to your software setup than the hardware, obviously any phone is going to run like crap on a stock rom with 100,000 facebook and twitter apps.
Ok so im rooted and overclocked and was using setcpu then decided i wanna try something different so i tried system tuner! When i checked the cpu it said that one of the processors are off line! Then i pressed the info button and sure enough it says only reading one! So i went through the settings and found force both cores online!
Since then i have no lag and virtually no checkerboarding on the web! Anyway i was just wondering if im the only one who noticed this and maybe it could help those who say that they are still getting lag on they're roms using dag's kernel!
Also i hope devs will notice this thread since i can't post there yet and take advantage of this how ever they can!
Now don't quote me on this but most likely the second core only turns on for processor intensive activities such as high graphics games or multiple programs running at once. I do find it hard to believe that it would be totally disabled. Most likely this is done to conserve battery.
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Now don't quote me on this but most likely the second core only turns on for processor intensive activities such as high graphics games or multiple programs running at once. I do find it hard to believe that it would be totally disabled. Most likely this is done to conserve battery.
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Nope i checked that i had 10 apps open two were games (dead space and gta III) One cpu online even on performance! I see 50 views i hope others chime in and let us know what you are thinking
Btw they Did this i heard to the galaxy nexus with the tiomap 1.2 so we'll see what others find
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Nope i checked that i had 10 apps open two were games (dead space and gta III) One cpu online even on performance! I see 50 views i hope others chime in and let us know what you are thinking
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Okay if this really is the case I could also see at&t disabling the second core totally to save battery because of lte but i guess it will take a dev that has more experience with how qualcomm's multicore cpus work in android. report back with differences in battery life like how much faster does it drain now that both cores are forced on.
if you want both cores on click on boot settings and enable force all cpus online. that heats up your phone and eats more battery though+I do not see any benefits doing that.
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Okay if this really is the case I could also see at&t disabling the second core totally to save battery because of lte but i guess it will take a dev that has more experience with how qualcomm's multicore cpus work in android. report back with differences in battery life like how much faster does it drain now that both cores are forced on.
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I've had it like this for 4 days on average i will take of the charger at 8am now is 8:30pm and i have 27% but i use my navigation for my Job! By 10:30 or so ill have 15% and recharge!
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1836 max
192 min
Governer
Smartassv2
Both cores pushing
Screen off
192 max
In call
384 max
Tomorrow ill post some pics of battery life usage!
And my phone doesn't get any hotter than normal not even while using my navi! Mostly it just gives no lag and better rendering in the browser/maps/etc!!
I was under the impression that Gingerbread didn't fully utilize multiple cores. Need HC or ICS...
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I was under the impression that Gingerbread didn't fully utilize multiple cores. Need HC or ICS...
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Same, but having a better processor helps. Like exynos. I bet once we update to ics if it ever happens, the differences will be only minor between processors, as it runs so nice.
Got system tuner pro, and it shows speed bars on both cpus running? I didn't change a thing?
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Got system tuner pro, and it shows speed bars on both cpus running? I didn't change a thing?
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Really? I switched Roms twice today and had to reset that each time! Cpu.0 online Cpu.1 offline! Like i said am i the only one? Lets hear from more people and let us know of any lag or rendering changes after turning on both cpu's! Battery too, i'll post mine tomorrow.
I thought I'd play and I have CPU0 running and CPU1 running.
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Btw they Did this i heard to the galaxy nexus with the tiomap 1.2 so we'll see what others find
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Not entirely true.. the Galaxy Nexus has a kernel governor that turns one core off when the SCREEN IS OFF, but not when the phone is being used. Multiple kernel creators have since implemented this into their kernels. It is called "hot plugging" and it just turns CPU 1 offline when the screen is off and turns it back on when the screen is on
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Just checked mine, rooted and OC with DaG's 0.1 version (first version). When I looked, it said the second CPU was offline. Changed it to online, we'll see how that impacts battery life.
How much of an advantage is smartassv2 anyway?
I just tried this with system tuner and both cpus were working but wone was of and on and zero was always on.
I am running stock rooted. If you just sit yhere and watch it you will see tje sevond core fires and shuts down alot.
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Really? I switched Roms twice today and had to reset that each time! Cpu.0 online Cpu.1 offline! Like i said am i the only one? Lets hear from more people and let us know of any lag or rendering changes after turning on both cpu's! Battery too, i'll post mine tomorrow.
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Same for me (CPU 0 on, CPU1 off, most times) and I'll say I have noticed no real changes in functionality (speed, rendering, etc) or battery life...
I guess jury is still out or is this a YMMV kind of thing?
I installed system runner and watched the cpus. One was on and the other kicked in periodically
Mine said it was offline as well. Forced it on and am not noticing any difference in speed or temp.
Ill leave it like this to test it further.
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Do you have to be rooted to force both cores on?
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Do you have to be rooted to force both cores on?
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As far as I know yes you must have super user permission to alter such system activities
I don't know why everyone is in such a rush to force the second core online, it turns on and off when it needs to.
Just ran system tune in my phone and it had one processor offline.. I've tried like all the uclf6 roms and they all ran laggy.... I used system tune to bring the one processor back on but why would it start offline???... Any sudgestions?
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I am running Milestone 6 . And to see what you were talking about I downloaded system tuner and low and behold mine says that CPU01 (or something) is offline. And then it would bounce to 384mhz and then offline again. That's weird. But just wanted to show that you're not the only one but that's kinda the only way I can help you. Best of luck
As means of reducing battery consumption, it'll kill off and re-enable the second core as needed for the load.
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Don't worry, it's working. The core is turned off and on depending on the load.
The best way to confirm this is to run Linpack for Android. If you run the single threaded and the multithreaded tested, you'll see almost double the score in the multithreaded version.
Thnx for the replys just wanted to know if i was the only one... I forced it to keep both on the phone ran super smooth for like half a day but battery life sucked. ... Took it back offline to let android control it. ...
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I've been playing around with System Tuner since it came installed on Flappajaxx stock rom. Just noticed that in the CPU section, it shows CPU0 and CPU1. CPU1 is showing as offline though. Does that mean one of the cores isn't being used?
Yes. It comes online when needed.
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Agreed...and "do not" force both cores online...
As mentioned above, the Second core will come online as needed under high load conditions.
If you force both cores online, your battery will evaporate, and your CPU temps will increase by nearly 30%...
I went down this road a week or so ago, and it didnt end well...LOL
Gotcha...good to know.
It does come on as need but it also depends on the users phone and what's running on the phone. I've had both cpus running non stop through system tuner and had no problem with heat and little drain. Again its the user and their phone so best bet is to leave the other one off until needed.
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