Releasing so many phones they cant keep up with the update process. They continue to release phones on outdated firmware it's absolutely ridiculous. Why the hell are they even releasing THAT many phones? Seems like sony must beat samsung in the no. of phones made. Nobody learned from apple it seems, keep it simple, keep it organised and have an uncluttered portfolio of products that you have the resources to support in a timely and efficient manner.
At this rate sony may not exist 5 years down the road, they can only bear the losses for that long and with such poor management I dont have much hope to be honest.
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Releasing so many phones they cant keep up with the update process. They continue to release phones on outdated firmware it's absolutely ridiculous. Why the hell are they even releasing THAT many phones? Seems like sony must beat samsung in the no. of phones made. Nobody learned from apple it seems, keep it simple, keep it organised and have an uncluttered portfolio of products that you have the resources to support in a timely and efficient manner.
At this rate sony may not exist 5 years down the road, they can only bear the losses for that long and with such poor management I dont have much hope to be honest.
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Whos lost it
Seems we ha e a resident business expert.
I will send your details to Howard stringer.
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I totally agree with him. It's pointless, they're doing the same mistake as HTC. You should learn from other people's mistake, not repeat them.
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I totally agree with him. It's pointless, they're doing the same mistake as HTC. You should learn from other people's mistake, not repeat them.
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They are learning. The new Sony devices are T, TX, V, J. The only difference between T and TX is LTE, so it's basically one flagship, V is midrange, J is low end. Three devices, end of story. The older devices (fujis, montblancs) were designed before the Sony merger and the strategy change. Of course, they could just scrap the devices they spent time and effort designing, but that would be a bit insane huh.
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They are learning. The new Sony devices are T, TX, V, J. The only difference between T and TX is LTE, so it's basically one flagship, V is midrange, J is low end. Three devices, end of story. The older devices (fujis, montblancs) were designed before the Sony merger and the strategy change. Of course, they could just scrap the devices they spent time and effort designing, but that would be a bit insane huh.
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K900 said:
They are learning. The new Sony devices are T, TX, V, J. The only difference between T and TX is LTE, so it's basically one flagship, V is midrange, J is low end. Three devices, end of story. The older devices (fujis, montblancs) were designed before the Sony merger and the strategy change. Of course, they could just scrap the devices they spent time and effort designing, but that would be a bit insane huh.
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Companies regularly scrap designs with a startegy change, this is only hurting sony and diluting the brand. Nobody said they should scrap all designs but atleast stop releasing duplicated phones.
Tell me again what is the purpose for the existence of the xperia sola AND xperia U? You dont just make devices with a price difference of $20 in the name of choice, that strategy just brings more problems than good.
Why on earth did they release they xperia neo L??
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony-phones-7.php
And xperia V isnt a mid range phone, there is simply not enough differentiation between the T and V, one of them shouldnt exist most certainly the V since it is high end phone with gimped internal memory.
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Tell me again what is the purpose for the existence of the xperia sola AND xperia U? You dont just make devices with a price difference of $20 in the name of choice, that strategy just brings more problems than good.
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How? If they only release the Sola and no-one likes it, they don't get any money. If they release the U too and people like that, they atleast get money from that.
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Companies regularly scrap designs with a startegy change, this is only hurting sony and diluting the brand. Nobody said they should scrap all designs but atleast stop releasing duplicated phones.
Tell me again what is the purpose for the existence of the xperia sola AND xperia U? You dont just make devices with a price difference of $20 in the name of choice, that strategy just brings more problems than good.
Why on earth did they release they xperia neo L??
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony-phones-7.php
And xperia V isnt a mid range phone, there is simply not enough differentiation between the T and V, one of them shouldnt exist most certainly the V since it is high end phone with gimped internal memory.
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Xperia sola is, in my opinion, more like a mid range phone, whereas U is a mid low one. (At least from what I can see). And both have different publics. The XU is more for people who wants a good phone, but not big and not so expensive. I didn't saw Sola here in Brazil yet, but U was released with S, on June.
Xperia neo L is meant for the chinese public, mostly.
V has a somewhat smaller screen, with water proof, and a different design. But both are high end. See the T/TX as the Galaxy Note and the V as the S2.
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Companies regularly scrap designs with a startegy change, this is only hurting sony and diluting the brand. Nobody said they should scrap all designs but atleast stop releasing duplicated phones.
Tell me again what is the purpose for the existence of the xperia sola AND xperia U? You dont just make devices with a price difference of $20 in the name of choice, that strategy just brings more problems than good.
Why on earth did they release they xperia neo L??
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony-phones-7.php
And xperia V isnt a mid range phone, there is simply not enough differentiation between the T and V, one of them shouldnt exist most certainly the V since it is high end phone with gimped internal memory.
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Still, it's three devices, no more. Also, Sony's 'low end' phones are not really that low end, they're somewhere in 'just about midrange' category.
Maybe sony is trying to increase its products under "SONY" and not under "SONY ERICSSON "...?
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Maybe sony is trying to increase its products under "SONY" and not under "SONY ERICSSON "...?
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No. Under the 'Sony' branding they're going to be releasing way less devices than they did before.
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Releasing so many phones they cant keep up with the update process. They continue to release phones on outdated firmware it's absolutely ridiculous. Why the hell are they even releasing THAT many phones? Seems like sony must beat samsung in the no. of phones made. Nobody learned from apple it seems, keep it simple, keep it organised and have an uncluttered portfolio of products that you have the resources to support in a timely and efficient manner.
At this rate sony may not exist 5 years down the road, they can only bear the losses for that long and with such poor management I dont have much hope to be honest.
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Agree
Plus since the had do many devices to update the officials firmware releases had many bugs
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Sony thinks they are Apple... New model everybody goes like crazy buying new models.
This is Android, no one cares about new phones, just Good ones.
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Sony thinks they are Apple... New model everybody goes like crazy buying new models.
This is Android, no one cares about new phones, just Good ones.
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Do you realize that not everyone has money to buy the high end phones, right? There is a need for low and mid end phones.
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Sony thinks they are Apple... New model everybody goes like crazy buying new models.
This is Android, no one cares about new phones, just Good ones.
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They don't think they are Apple. They tried to get their target audience as wide as possible, but failed, just like HTC did before them. Now they're recovering, and IMO they caught up now.
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They don't think they are Apple. They tried to get their target audience as wide as possible, but failed, just like HTC did before them. Now they're recovering, and IMO they caught up now.
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That is true I think.
And there is no Android manufacturer which could be really successful in delivering best updates
to all of their phones.
Sadly.
doministry said:
That is true I think.
And there is no Android manufacturer which could be really successful in delivering best updates
to all of their phones.
Sadly.
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There is a way... It's called AOSP. But I don't think most vendors are ready to kill custom skins yet.
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The evidence points to the contrary. Already in 2012 "sony" has released more phones than "sony ericsson" did in entire 2011.
We heard the same thing about HTC sticking to one X, S and V but then they released loads of other crap as well.
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I was just reading this article and wanted to see what our community thinks about it...
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247
With them unlocking the newer phones seems like a way to try to keep alive...
Meh. They've been in trouble for a while now in my opinion. Their phones have been alright but none of them really stand out anymore. Even the Play fell far short of what it could have been (seriously, all they needed to do was release with ff7 on there and they would have killed it ).
It'll be a shame if it happens but it's possible if things don't pick up for them .
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Xperia arc - best single core phone that money can buy.
Well thats the sad part. Play was supposed to be like their ACE under the hand but... Just fell short... I hope they REALLY start listening to us and it looks like they are starting like rolling out the X10 update. If they want to survive there ginna have to adapt...
that would be sad =( hopefully this doesn't happen. SE deserves much more than this.
Just crap xD
Its funny how you can see a video to compare xperia arc and the super duper trooper SGS2 and the experia Arc with single core its basically the same phone xD
SE always got phones that looks at least 1 year older than competence (hardware) but they always do the same and sometimes do better that some ultra super duper phones.
I dont think SE will come down that way =P
Sorry for my bad english! _o/
I think they're wrong...
If you go by handset numbers then yes, they're selling fewer. But Q4 in 2008 they had a 184 million euro loss. Just to compare, SE had an 8 million euro profit in Q4 2010.
Yeah, not much but a huge change and profitable. If it wasn't for Android, I don't think there would be an SE anymore :O
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i think they're wrong...
If you go by handset numbers then yes, they're selling fewer. But q4 in 2008 they had a 184 million euro loss. Just to compare, se had an 8 million euro profit in q4 2010.
Yeah, not much but a huge change and profitable. If it wasn't for android, i don't think there would be an se anymore
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yup... That symbian os was holding them back...
read the article more carefully people, they'll drop the Ericsson name and call it just Sony, they're not going out of business yet.
It won´t happen so many time hearing this rummors i think that SE is upgrading the strategy they went through a very bad year in 2010 but now it seems to be different they are giving the costomers a very good catalog in phones and with verry good quality a little more time and SE will be at the top again you´ll see that
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I was just reading this article and wanted to see what our community thinks about it...
http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112989/brands-disappear-2012-247
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I wouldn't put that much stock into these yearly articles released by 24/7 Wall St. More than half the time they are completely wrong, and the times they are 'right' are because of predictions based on corporate events that will lead to inevitable happenings anyway.
I think they are totally off the mark regarding Sony Pictures. Sony would never give up Sony Pictures. They wanted in the motion picture and television businesses so they could be deeper in the entertainment industry ecosystem beyond just technology.
24/7 Wall St.'s prediction for Sony Ericsson most likely came from analyst articles like this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110524/tc_nm/us_sony_ericsson
SE is, at least, making money again, and they are releasing more and more Android products. As long as they continue cover the entire spectrum of high- to mid- to low-end Android phones, people will buy. I don't think they will ever be #1 in market share or even close to it. But I doubt Sony Ericsson would ever be absorbed into the main Sony brand. As long as they are in the top ten and profitable (like the VAIO line which is forever in the bottom-five of the top ten PC brands and usually eeks out smallish profits), they will be around.
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I wouldn't put that much stock into these yearly articles released by 24/7 Wall St. More than half the time they are completely wrong, and the times they are 'right' are because of predictions based on corporate events that will lead to inevitable happenings anyway.
I think they are totally off the mark regarding Sony Pictures. Sony would never give up Sony Pictures. They wanted in the motion picture and television businesses so they could be deeper in the entertainment industry ecosystem beyond just technology.
24/7 Wall St.'s prediction for Sony Ericsson most likely came from analyst articles like this one:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110524/tc_nm/us_sony_ericsson
SE is, at least, making money again, and they are releasing more and more Android products. As long as they continue cover the entire spectrum of high- to mid- to low-end Android phones, people will buy. I don't think they will ever be #1 in market share or even close to it. But I doubt Sony Ericsson would ever be absorbed into the main Sony brand. As long as they are in the top ten and profitable (like the VAIO line which is forever in the bottom-five of the top ten PC brands and usually eeks out smallish profits), they will be around.
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I think when SE will get a lil more profit, they will start releasing better phones. But I don't care anymore I'm moving to HTC/Samsung for my next phone.
I was just reading this and I'm like wtf?
If only HTC makes a better camera and Samsung not mimicking the iOS..
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Xperia arc - best single core phone that money can buy.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up. regarding the article, I don't think it would be such a bad idea for SE to take total control of things. ericsson in my opinion are just holding them back.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up.
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agreed looks wise there nice but in terms of performance i can name a few that are better.
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that would be sad =( hopefully this doesn't happen. SE deserves much more than this.
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They say you get what you deserve in life. They have themselves completely to blame for all their troubles.
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no one wants a single core phone in an age of dual cores. Only the style over substance crowd will buy the arc but they are not enough to generate large enough sales. Plus apple have that segment of the market pretty much sealed up. regarding the article, I don't think it would be such a bad idea for SE to take total control of things. ericsson in my opinion are just holding them back.
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A dual core phone is nothing unless the software is designed to take advantage of it, which is currently the case. Google has stated that Honeycomb is the only version of Android that supports multiple threads/CPUs.
So until Google updates the phone OS to support it don't buy into the gimmick.
SE phones are usually Expensive with Not lastest hardwares.watch price of Xperia arc and SG2 .... samsung is much cheaper and have last hardwares.definitely my next phone will be HTC/samsung
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with my heart yes, but with my head NO.
so I guess i'm begging to be a guy with a " head on his shoulders"
Maybe...
I really like the Sony hardware, but the slow update cycles (Jellybean March 2013 - Really?) are making we regret buying the Xperia S. I am seriously thinking of selling it and buying a Nexus 4 instead.
The only thing that might change that decision right now, is an official ASOP Jellybean release by Sony/Google. However the ASOP tree looks dead, with no activity for ages.
Thinking that Sony have thrown in the towel with the XPeria S.
Only if it is a Sony Nexus device as it would probably be the best looking device with fastest and most up to date software.
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No never
Sony stops updates for older devices and expects us to purchase their new models
My xu 2012 released has no announcements regarding jelly bean
Bt that crap Xperia j will b updated
Why? Bcoz it was released recently
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No never
Sony stops updates for older devices and expects us to purchase their new models
My xu 2012 released has no announcements regarding jelly bean
Bt that crap Xperia j will b updated
Why? Bcoz it was released recently
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That's life. Xperia U is an entry level phone, it was released with Gingerbread, and got an ICS update. Show me another manufacturer that bothers to update the base OS on their entry level phones.
I dun consider a phone priced at 16000 to b entry level
Its a mid range
And it was released in may 2012 when all other major manufacturers were shipping wid ics on board
So getting released wid 2.3 was a negative aspect of SONY as this phone was considered to b a NXT phone
So ics was mandatory for it
Bt it got just a single official update ( which logically it should have been shipped wod)
U can call galaxy mini, htc explorer, sony xperia tipo to b entry level as they are priced below 10000INR
@the admins,
When I can't have my Sony love thread due to possible flaming then this thread might not be a good idea either.
@the thread,
My heart is with Sony. My ICS is perfect and when I get JB in the same quality I will buy again.
Another important point for me stays the support of CM. actually that's more important to me than official JB.
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No. This phone has good ideas, but fails in the execution.
ICS for Sola in September 2012. Really? When I brought a new phone, I expected an upgrade, or at least ICS --> ICS. Not ICS --> GB.
Floating touch is, again, a good idea. But it is fairly useless and is impossible to type with.
Given the price of the Nexus 4, not a chance of me buying Sony again.
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Maybe...
I really like the Sony hardware, but the slow update cycles (Jellybean March 2013 - Really?) are making we regret buying the Xperia S. I am seriously thinking of selling it and buying a Nexus 4 instead.
The only thing that might change that decision right now, is an official ASOP Jellybean release by Sony/Google. However the ASOP tree looks dead, with no activity for ages.
Thinking that Sony have thrown in the towel with the XPeria S.
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who said that the JB will appear in march ?
MrBelter said:
Given the price of the Nexus 4, not a chance of me buying Sony again.
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Yes, how much will it cost?
"The 8GB version (unlocked) is priced at $299, while the 16GB version is $349. T-Mobile USA will carry the 16GB LG Nexus 4, though with a price of $199 and a 2-year contract, it doesn't sound like much of a deal.
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Not a chance. I told myself the same thing after my X10 but was foolishly drawn in by the XS (no patience). I will never buy another Sony phone again. Apart from the awful update cycle this phone has become utterly boring and ICS has made it very buggy. You should be able to get £150-200 for this phone so only pay ~£100 on top for the 16Gb Nexus. Can't wait!
Sony always stays a generation behind.
When others release quad core phones it releases dual core.
Besides the buttons if my neo v worn off within three months
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only if they start sticking bigger batteries on their phones.
Sony used to pride itself on battery performance on their portable devices in the 90s, now their phones can hardly match the Battery longevity of a cheapo Chinese brand phone.
They also need to do something about their updates, the galaxy s3 and HTC one x both launched after the s and both are already officially running jelly bean.
They should release 1 or 2 flagships per year and put all their resources to make sure they are kept up to date for at least 1.5 years with no delays pushing out updates.
I think I might get the n4 and see if Sony get their shtt together before supporting them again.
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UK is £239 for 8GB and £279 for 16GB. My Xperia S cost me £420.
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Given the price of the Nexus 4, not a chance of me buying Sony again.
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Same here
Nexus 4 will beat the hell out of all
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who said that the JB will appear in march ?
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I was being conservative, it may be later.
The 2012 phones are all still 6 months away from getting Jellybean on them, according to Sony.
For now, AOKP on my S is fine but as soon as the Nexus 4 lands here in Germany, I'll leave Sony for good.
Sony Xperia phones now 3rd highest seller internationally
http://tinyurl.com/ae3adwb (Wall Street Journal)
Sony is 2nd highest in the United Kingdom
http://tinyurl.com/co6wcep (Talk Android)
I guess Sony is back with a vengeance. I like many things that Apple and Samsung bring to the mobile market, but I'm tired of watching this duopoly develop, so I'm glad to see more competition and a disruption to that dupoply. I don't know where all you guys live, but where I live, almost ALL of the Samsung phones are almost as expensive as the Apple ones and at that they are all black retangular boring objects with NO differentiation. I'm glad to see NEW price points, COLOUR and CHOICE. Sadly, HTC, Sharp and others seem to have been falling apart in the last couple of years so any more competition is good.
(As for the resources, if you Google the stories you'll find a resource that you may prefer, these two were more credible for me.)
They are beautiful devices, I'm now on my third and my next Phone no doubt will be one.
That's me too, I own products from all of the major companies and really enjoy them, but I think Sony's on to something with these phones, and the sales stats. suggest the same too.
Love the Sony phones (have four of them). Never been a fan of HTC and Samsung just feels cheap (though they have nice software additions). Next years Sony devices are going to kick ass too.
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next year I may purchase a sony nexus
If a Sony nexus comes.. It will be a no-brainer for me....i love Sony products... This is my 4th phone 4m Sony.. Never been disappointed....
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This is very good news indeed. I've always felt that Sony and the Xperia range have never received the recognition they deserve like the way Apple and Samsung do. Some people buy iPhones and S3s and Note 2s just because of the name. Good to see people finally coming to their senses. Xperias ftw
yeaaahhh... This is real story, my friend sold his Galaxy W and he asked me which Sony phone is the best with a budget around Rp 3 million
and I suggest him to buy Xperia P..
It's a prove that Sony is back and I proud have my Sola... :highfive:
Yeah xperias become really popular,no one wants Samsung becuase their phones are ugly and expensive (not Apple expensive) but still my country goes two Europe lower midlle part so price is really important (i cant understand how americans could be poor when everything is much cheaper is their country and still have much bigger pay) for example my cousing who never had Smartphone (of ANY kind) want to buy Xperia Miro so he asked me is it good,well I told him to go with Xperia Mini or Live but he insisted,not sure why.This is just proof that their sales are going up because good design and cheap prices.Just to warn I see many Samsugn-Apple fanboys not reccomending Sony because of 2010 Xperia fiasco but they never had any Sony phone.I cant understand who could buy Samsung phones,they are ugly and have problems+one of worst update support,but it looks they are upgrading Novathor devices to JB so Sony must to then because that could really get effect to their sales.
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I agree with all of you.
I had an Xperia S, and now i have an Xperia P.....is the sexiest smartphone on the market IMHO. I selled XS just because was too big and heavy for my pockets....just the battery is less durable....but overall i like more than XS.
Another good thing from Sony are the updates that generally are quite frequent and good instead of other brands (who said LG ? ).
How exciting. I can't wait to see what Sony offers in the future.
Yeah, lots of tech. sites are speculating that Sony is ramping up it's software and updates now that it's getting so much positive media attention. I cannot believe how popular the latest Bond phone is...
p.s. I put this in the general news section of Android on XDA. This is news of a major Android OEM. But it was stuffed in this corner. That p**** me off sometimes.
Thats what they call as categorisation
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Well,everybody that are not Sony user keep complaining that Sony doesn't use quad core device and says dual core device is low end devices....and I was like "Dafuq dude..."...Smartphone is a phone,not a computer...
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Well,everybody that are not Sony user keep complaining that Sony doesn't use quad core device and says dual core device is low end devices....and I was like "Dafuq dude..."...Smartphone is a phone,not a computer...
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Sony has a long way to go...hope we get a Sony Nexus NXT year!!!
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Yeah, initially Sony made some public comments that they were not rushing into multiple cores (over a year ago) because smartphones 'had no use for them'. Now, if they perform well with fewer or a single core, I agree. Many cores to me is like too many megapixels, there is more to a good camera than megapixels, no?
To be honest, I do not see any performance boost on my dual core Sola than any of my previous single core phones. And yes, I would *love* to see a Sony Nexus. It should have been the Bond phone! Imagine the Bond phone which is so popular getting Nexus status? Actually, if you Google this, Sony Ericsson declined Google's invitation to be an early Nexus device OEM. Bert Norberg said something about 'we're not that kind of OEM', right before sales and profits tanked.
I know Sony has said there are no plans for a Tablet S upgrade, but I was wondering on your thoughts about if they might change their mind. Really hoping on it, personally. I'll keep my fingers crossed; all this tab needs is JB.
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There wont be JB update for Tablet S. Sony are so lazy, it took them almost a year to release 4.1.1, i doubt they will work on JB for the S (although its generally the same)...
As ubichon said, I highly doubt there'll be a JB update for Tablet S. Not only did it take almost a year for the Xperia Tab S, but the fact that TS was a 2011 device makes it even less feasible. No Xperia device from 2011 got JB
If they would open up the dang bootloader then devs would prob do it. I mean there's ICS and JB roms for the xplay even though Sony never updated anything since GB
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Someone know why sony dont unleash the s1 ?
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Someone know why sony dont unleash the s1 ?
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Too much effort. Porting JB to S1 can be seen as 'waste of time and resources' when the xperia tablet z is almost out, and maintenance of an old tablet by VAIO isn't high on the priority list for their department (and understandably so, since VAIO doesn't specialise in tabs but rather computers, and S1 is 2 years old)
Simply business
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Too much effort. Porting JB to S1 can be seen as 'waste of time and resources' when the xperia tablet z is almost out, and maintenance of an old tablet by VAIO isn't high on the priority list for their department (and understandably so, since VAIO doesn't specialise in tabs but rather computers, and S1 is 2 years old)
Simply business
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Unlocking the bootloader would surely not take much effort...would be a proper sendoff for the original Tablet S anyways. Not really a sendoff because it would only be the beginning...
I'm not buying another Sony phone or tablet ever again!
jiggykilla said:
I'm not buying another Sony phone or tablet ever again!
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You sir, are an imbecile, if this is simply based off of your experience with either of the Tablet S's. No offense.
Sony phones have always been made by the Ericsson/Sony Mobile team, which has been very speedy with updates (as of last year and this year) and has always supported the Android community wholeheartedly. In fact, Sony was named OEM of the year by this very site. The reason the Tablet S's have had horrible support is due to the fact that they are managed by an understaffed VAIO team that never was focusing on Android products in the first place.
But wait! There is good news! The Xperia Tablet Z, which is set to be Sony's next flagship tablet, is being developed by the Mobile team! So we can expect awesome support, unlocked bootloaders, etc.
Don't hate on Sony on the Android front; they've been quite amazing at supporting the community since last year-ish (maybe longer).
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You sir, are an imbecile, if this is simply based off of your experience with either of the Tablet S's. No offense.
Sony phones have always been made by the Ericsson/Sony Mobile team, which has been very speedy with updates (as of last year and this year) and has always supported the Android community wholeheartedly. In fact, Sony was named OEM of the year by this very site. The reason the Tablet S's have had horrible support is due to the fact that they are managed by an understaffed VAIO team that never was focusing on Android products in the first place.
But wait! There is good news! The Xperia Tablet Z, which is set to be Sony's next flagship tablet, is being developed by the Mobile team! So we can expect awesome support, unlocked bootloaders, etc.
Don't hate on Sony on the Android front; they've been quite amazing at supporting the community since last year-ish (maybe longer).
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It's a shame people are too daft to realize this, especially with the whole Xperia S JB update drama. Sony is kind enough to create a update, they could just not update it at all.
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I disagree with you! I'm entitled to my opinion! if i spend my hard-earned cash on a product, should i not expect the makers of that product to put any issues right? you are talking as if money grows on trees! Sony should take some responsibilities and stop making excuses!
You can have an opinion, but you shouldn't expect a company to do what you want. They are at least doing something to get the updates to the consumer, why would they want to spend money developing updates for a device you already paid for. You have to remember too that Sony is going under a huge financial crisis, the mobile division has a budget and limited people.
Excluding the tablets, Sony easily allows you to flash different roms and root, you could easily have a custom JB build on the Xperia S right now hell I just checked there's a 4.2.2 rom.
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You can have an opinion, but you shouldn't expect a company to do what you want. They are at least doing something to get the updates to the consumer, why would they want to spend money developing updates for a device you already paid for. You have to remember too that Sony is going under a huge financial crisis, the mobile division has a budget and limited people.
Excluding the tablets, Sony easily allows you to flash different roms and root, you could easily have a custom JB build on the Xperia S right now hell I just checked there's a 4.2.2 rom.
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Sony mobile allow us to do stuff to xperia phones. It's Sony VAIO that don't Allow us for the sts and xts
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jumper62 said:
Sony mobile allow us to do stuff to xperia phones. It's Sony VAIO that don't Allow us for the sts and xts
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Exactly. Sony Mobile is full of open minden people, who even release their own flash tools, their own instructions how to unlock bootloader, they release kernel sources etc. etc. etc.
If you look at the Xperia Z - there are already Custom Roms for it, including AOSP and CM. Phones like Xperia S or the Xperia ARC S also have tons of mods and roms....
ty for the answers !
i really really really regrets my purchase when i see my girlfriend's touchpad Cm 10.1 !
i have many stuff by sony, but my last smartphone is not sony,
too afraid they will not unlock the phone.
edit : customers dont have to give a f** if its sony mobile or sony vaio or what u want, they just see SONY
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edit : customers dont have to give a f** if its sony mobile or sony vaio or what u want, they just see SONY
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Yeah, totally agree on that. I was just making a point, that the Sony phones have nothing in common with the tablets
It don't matter which department makes what it's all part of the same company and it's SONY's LOGO on the products, therefore its the SONY Brand which is getting the stick, and consumers will feel let down by this, it's not a point of updating to JB it's about fixing the issues with the Tablet, and as a whole SONY have let some customers down badly, we don't really care which department made the dame thing,
If you went to Mac D's and your burger was raw and you took it back to the counter and the person said to you sorry there's nothing i can do because i don't normaly make burgers i normaly fry chips you would say thats stupid i just want what i ordered, well the same applies here i just want a fully working product. I don't care who's job it is. I paid £359 only 14 months ago for a product with flaws.
See what i'm saying the fries have nothing to do with the burgers but it's still Mac D's
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It don't matter which department makes what it's all part of the same company and it's SONY's LOGO on the products, therefore its the SONY Brand which is getting the stick, and consumers will feel let down by this, it's not a point of updating to JB it's about fixing the issues with the Tablet, and as a whole SONY have let some customers down badly, we don't really care which department made the dame thing,
If you went to Mac D's and your burger was raw and you took it back to the counter and the person said to you sorry there's nothing i can do because i don't normaly make burgers i normaly fry chips you would say thats stupid i just want what i ordered, well the same applies here i just want a fully working product. I don't care who's job it is. I paid £359 only 14 months ago for a product with flaws.
See what i'm saying the fries have nothing to do with the burgers but it's still Mac D's
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Does that mean you wouldn't buy a Sony tv or camera?
No it doesn't I was just making the point of it doesn't matter which department made it, the support should be there to fix problems that affect functionality and stop the device from not doing what it was intended to do.
What it does mean though is I prefer Burger King to Mac D's
Well said! Its not too much to ask sony to fix the issues, if not unlock the bootloader and let the devs solve the issues.
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Hello,
I sold my Xperia after some time and I can tell you the Bravia Engine and little customisation from Sony is great. The feel of phone in your hand is also good. Also, the xperia U/P/Go/Sola/ other devices are very good gadgets and they have enough support from developers.The LED bar in Xperia U is truely awesome and it could change colours just made it epic. If you are go for looks and beauty, certainly these devices are for you. Performance is good usually but not good enough in some case. (the price is not too high)
What are the factors that disappoint you ?
I will tell you mine what I can think of:
*Usually no expandable memory and in some case, battery is fixed.
*Bugs in ICS with no real support from Sony on these devices
*Bad battery life although I turned off the LED bar and used it with zero brightness. Still couldnot last more than a day on average use.
*My charger started to take long time to charge and it was quicker to charge via USB cable. In the beginning the charge time was epic. Just about an hour to charge it fully.
*NO SUPPORT FROM SONY AND UPDATES COME VERY VERY LATE AND DEVICES ARE ONLY SUPPORTED FOR MONTHS.
*NOT REAL LOUD SOUND
UPDATE :
I bought another Xperia
You forgot Xperia sola
Because of ICS laggy update, no support of Sony, no jelly bean update for Sony xperia u and poor service
im currently using xperia sola for about a year. ive tried a couple other xperia phones '12 like u, p, s, j and sony didnt good that much of a work. this mid price range devices dont have great potential (using sony's stock os). that unfortunate thing is that if you want to make your devices OK you have to do lots of stuff(root unlock bl etc etc you get the idea). but most of the people dont know about xda-flashing rom etc.they just stay at gb or stock ics and complain,or choose to buy a more mainstream devices and this results to not jave that great potential from xperia mid price range device community.
Sorry for my bad english. :angel:
No, I have all my phones still
Ericsson T68m
2x Sony Ericsson T68i (one brand new in box)
2x Sony Ericsson T230
Sony Ericsson T610
Sony Ericsson T630
Sony Ericsson K510
2x Sony Ericsson W810 (Black + White)
Sony Ericsson C905
Sony Ericsson Elm (J10i2).
Did have another T230 and two K550's but lost track of them).
I hate my Xperia U, performance sucks (on stock and CM9), if I see a good deal I'll replace it, but still wouldn't sell the U.
I would sell Xperia U because of inadequate RAM and unavailability of separate recovery partition.
I'd be lucky to get anything for an Xperia P, after having this device a year I hate it, looking forward to a new phone at the end of this month, probably won't be a Sony due to my Xperia p experience
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I am so regretful for having sold my xperia active. Now I have an Xperia Go, is not as powerful as I wish but it is ok. I change my rom once in a while and I am so happy with it.
I was so scared to unlock the bootloader of my X.Active and never did. I guess if I had, I still would have my old phone and never bought another one. Bricking and unbricking your phone and change roms from XDA devs is so funny that you will forget about all the new phones coming out every day.
as for myself, maybe i'd only sell my X-Sola if it's decommissioned, forced to retire, or got a rival phone in my pocket.. it's quite great actually, after tampering with it a lot of customization..
overall, i'm lucky to choose this one..
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You forgot Xperia sola
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I was talking about midrange phones, Sola is surely covered
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I would prolly only sell it for money. Pretty happy with my XP now.
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In a way I regret selling it as i didnot want to spend too much on a phone now so I bought HTC Incredible S which I changed to HTC chacha. I am not happy with both either but atleast the small screen on my HTC chacha doesnot distract me too much from playing games, reading forums, news etc. The main reason I sold it was that I couldnot concentrate much on anything really. Just me and my phone. I am not sure what will happen when I get the New nexus 7
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Because of ICS laggy update, no support of Sony, no jelly bean update for Sony xperia u and poor service
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TRUE, I just hate that they didnot update it to JB when they could. They talked about the hardware support on NovaThor but I guess they could have ported JB easily on all devices which were only few months old.
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Who the heck cares! THIS IS XDA. Flash custom roms, kernels, scripts, etc everyday and feel the performace. Like other companies provide better support for their budget phones...
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I agree. Xda is amazing. Really I have found so many helpful developers who are working on it without really getting paid. You should always be thankful to developers and those who are helping you out. Trust me, I find almost everything here. I usually do not need to programme at all to do whatever I want to do with my device. Thanks Xda
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im currently using xperia sola for about a year. ive tried a couple other xperia phones '12 like u, p, s, j and sony didnt good that much of a work. this mid price range devices dont have great potential (using sony's stock os). that unfortunate thing is that if you want to make your devices OK you have to do lots of stuff(root unlock bl etc etc you get the idea). but most of the people dont know about xda-flashing rom etc.they just stay at gb or stock ics and complain,or choose to buy a more mainstream devices and this results to not jave that great potential from xperia mid price range device community.
Sorry for my bad english. :angel:
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To be honest really, the devices are monsters. Many of the apps that are written wouldnot work with your device in google play, I have managed to play them really smooth. However, I have noticed that some games/apps won't work on ICS latest build but run very smoothly on GB and Custom roms. I guess ICS was complete failure in terms of its potential.
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I would sell Xperia U because of inadequate RAM and unavailability of separate recovery partition.
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Well, ram is an issue. If Xperia U had 1 Gb ram and Sd card, this device would be epic but manufacturers always keep something to themselves so a person changes his phone often and they get more profit
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I'd be lucky to get anything for an Xperia P, after having this device a year I hate it, looking forward to a new phone at the end of this month, probably won't be a Sony due to my Xperia p experience
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I agree, I am also thinking of not going for Sony for atleast next 3 to 5 years looking at my experience. I prefer Nexus more with more freedom. HTC on the other hand is more complicated to unlock, Root, Get S off etc before you can flash roms. Plus, it is a pain to flash official Stock Rom for HTC which was much easier with Sony. So for the moment, these both companies are out of my league!
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I am so regretful for having sold my xperia active. Now I have an Xperia Go, is not as powerful as I wish but it is ok. I change my rom once in a while and I am so happy with it.
I was so scared to unlock the bootloader of my X.Active and never did. I guess if I had, I still would have my old phone and never bought another one. Bricking and unbricking your phone and change roms from XDA devs is so funny that you will forget about all the new phones coming out every day.
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I remember rooting and unlocking my first device. I was scared and only think I had in my mind were thoughts of it getting bricked, damaged, burnt, short circuited and what not. Tell you from experience, for all the years I am doing it, I had so many bricks and every device came back to life in the end. However, I am yet to see a hardware issue!
Yeah definitely thinking of an android vanilla device, HTC comes with way to much crap and is not fun to root.
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i would sell my Xperia Device in order to buy an other one! :good:
Would sell my Xperia sola soon and buy Xperia SP...
Also planning to get Xperia SP and sell of my pee only because of ST Ericsson Chipset and a big size screen..
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To be honest really, the devices are monsters. Many of the apps that are written wouldnot work with your device in google play, I have managed to play them really smooth. However, I have noticed that some games/apps won't work on ICS latest build but run very smoothly on GB and Custom roms. I guess ICS was complete failure in terms of its potential.
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well i think that everyone would get a better devices for a little small amount of money.for instance i bought sola for 280 euros and that price was the same month that it came on market.now xperia sola cost 160-180 tops and with 300 euros now i would get htc dezire x. which is a pretty good phone.my point is that sony is awful and maybe ill never get a sony phone again:angel:
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well i think that everyone would get a better devices for a little small amount of money.for instance i bought sola for 280 euros and that price was the same month that it came on market.now xperia sola cost 160-180 tops and with 300 euros now i would get htc dezire x. which is a pretty good phone.my point is that sony is awful and maybe ill never get a sony phone again:angel:
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Well, if you wait a bit more and you will get nexus 4 for around 320 Euros or less or maybe even Galaxy S3.
It is always like that. Once the technology gets older, its price drops really quickly. Just think how much Nokia E72 costs now ?
when my dad contracts end or mine i will get his s4
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Well, if you wait a bit more and you will get nexus 4 for around 320 Euros or less or maybe even Galaxy S3.
It is always like that. Once the technology gets older, its price drops really quickly. Just think how much Nokia E72 costs now ?
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nexus 4 already is 320 euros.my point is that if u wait a little bit longer and still use an old device you can get a better one.and also you may get caught like me and think that the device you pick was the best casue.companies first release mid range devices and not the biggest ones..and i was a fool to believe that sola, u, p with the exeption of acro s that they where good...
you forgot to write down sola ?
To less RAM
I would sell it because the Sola has to less Ram for smooth using, and the Display is to small for me :/