Does anyone know if the computer spoken about here http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...a-supercomputer-for-everyone?ref=home_popular would be able to compile android if it were running linux??
You would need to get all the tools for teh build system running for arm. I'm pretty sure most of it has been done (gcc, python, bash) because there is a ubuntu built for the arm cpu. The specs on that thing even say it will come with ubuntu on it,. I'm not sure if the jdk is done yet for arm.
I think you're gonna hit a wall with 1GB of ram easily. The operating system youre using will probably take up 1/4 to 1/3 of it. Go around and look at the requirements to build projects like firefox and openoffice. Last time I saw it, firefox needed like 3GB of ram for the linker. You can get a huge SD card and use it as swap space, but thats gonna slow down all those 64 cores. Next up is the disk interface. It has usb2, which is capped at 480MB/s [citation needed]. It doesn't benefit you at all that your cpu can build a bunch of source files at once if it gets bottlenecked at reading those source files from and writing the object files to the hard drive.
I say you probably will be able to get it to build android, but it wont be lightning fast, or really even remarkably fast. By the time you buy that thing for $99, and a keyboard, mouse, usb HDD, SD card, HDMI monitor, and whatever else you need to actually use it, you could have bought a "traditional" computer that has SATA and > 1GB of ram.
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Does anyone know if the computer spoken about here http://www.kickstarter.com/projects...a-supercomputer-for-everyone?ref=home_popular would be able to compile android if it were running linux??
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No, it will not.
Compiling isn't a task suitable for such a parallel computer. Compiling is mostly I/O intense, not CPU intense, hence you would not gain anything here, even if you'd be able to distribute the compiling task to multiple cores, which is by itself not a trivial task if we are talking about more than a handful of cores.
Also, you don't need a project like this to run a parallel super computer. You can run in parallel on modern graphics cards today. E.g. get a NVIDIA GPU and start using CUDA, and you'll get the idea what it's all about.
Parallel supercomputing is more suitable for specific CPU intense task such as FFT, flow analysis, brute forcing crypto, neural nets and such, where you've got a relative limited amount of data in comparison to the amount CPU needed.
As has been said, much return (financial and performance) and less work to implement with CUDA.
example of the outrageous performance of a system CUDA:
with a password cracking software, with a core i5 was 125 000 operations / s ... to enable support Cuda software, has become more than 8 million / s
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My G Tablet which I have had since December 2010 and which has been running Froyo 2.2.1 since then respoinds incredibly sluggishly to touch input (or virtual keyboard input) when certain applications are running and using the WiFi connection.. These applications are: K-9 Mail, NewsRob and particularly Astrid.
My G Tablet runs Android 2.2.1 and Quadrant Standard tells me the ARM v7 processor has 1 Core (it should have 2, or??). and gives me a score of 1812.
First, I am confused by Quadrant finding only 1 core since I thought the Tegra 2 processor had 2 cores.
Second, how can the three applications above hog the processor core(s) to the extent they do? Don't the developers use the applications themselves and find this unacceptable? When multithreaded applications were first properly designed on the PC the rule of thumb was that the UI thread should always return in less than 1/10 second. Granted, many applications developed for Windows and by developers who lacked development skills broke that rule and the solution pushed by Microsoft and the hardware manufacturers were to sell faster PC whereas this could have been avoided by proper application design in the first place.
Bringing this back to the Android platform on the G Tablet, is this a system failing or are the three applications above so poorly designed?
Inquiring minds want to know.
When I was on froyo I put a weather widget on and it bogged everything down just as you explained. I removed the widget and pow back to normal.
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First, I am confused by Quadrant finding only 1 core since I thought the Tegra 2 processor had 2 cores.
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It has, but, depending on load and usage, only one of them may be active to save on power. See this thread.
Second, how can the three applications above hog the processor core(s) to the extent they do?
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Bringing this back to the Android platform on the G Tablet, is this a system failing or are the three applications above so poorly designed?
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Do you know that the system is slow because those 3 apps are hogging the CPU? It is best to find out for sure. Again, see my posts in the thread linked above. The top command should tell you how much CPU is being used by which programs.
Just a quick question from someone who is new to this kinda scene, just curious if anyone knows if its possible to run LoL on my eee pad prime (not using a remote rdc though) if i installed linux and used wine would this work? (or are there any other possibilities)
Looking at the minimum system requirements:
Minimum System Requirements
2 GHz processor
1 GB RAM (Windows Vista and 7 users will want 2 GB of RAM or more)
750 MB available hard disk space
Shader version 2.0 capable video card
Support for DirectX v9.0c or better
Windows XP, Windows Vista, or Windows 7 (Mac OS is currently not supported)
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I really don't see being able to play this game on the Prime, especially via Wine.
Only processor speed will be questionable. We do have quad core though. Once we overclock even higher, 2ghz will be easily obtained, it will be possible. That will be dependent of how well a dual boot of Ubuntu will be. Right now it runs alongside android so it shares CPU power etc...Once we dual boot, then ubuntu will have full access to whatever CPU/gpu power it needs. Then it'll just be a manner of getting LoL to load/install on it. Those other specs prime already has or better. PRIME is a beast. Alot more powerful than people may realize. Especially now that we already overclocked to 1.6ghz without even a custom rom or bootloader unlocked. It'll only get better from here. I'd say we doing great, developement wise, in Prime first month of usage. OVERCLOCK, root, ICS, Ubuntu, Fedora, Linux(Backtrk5), added drivers, themes, n so on.
The problem here is you will be trying to run an x86 game on ARM. I'm not sure if x86 emulators even exist to the required standard to even attempt this, but even if they do then you'll likely need a machine with way more power than the prime. Probably 3-5 times at least.
Emulating is very resource demanding.
Thanks for the replies everyone im looking forward to seeing what the prime can do in the near future, i do really enjoy having one, i cant wait untill everything runs perfect with it (rdcs with keyboard bindings for the dock, alt/esc and left/right click working properly) thanks again everyone
Here's my question. I want to start with an app or two, but ultimately want to make it to roms, themes, etc. My computer however is a bit on the low end. 1ghz dual core, 1gb ram. Decent storage though 250gb. Is this not enough, sufficient, or great. Thanks in advance
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when your phone has a faster clockspeed than your desktop, it is time for an upgrade.
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when your phone has a faster clockspeed than your desktop, it is time for an upgrade.
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Except clockspeed is not the almighty determinant of cpu power that years of marketing would lead you to believe. That CPU could still run circles around the phone CPU for various architectural reason I won't get into because it's too much to explain and no one will likely be interested. However, 1ghz is slow, especially if you're going to be using a Java based (that is, built on Java) IDE like Eclispe or Intellij IDEA. I've used Intellij IDEA on my 2 core Atom netbook when I'm not around my desktop and it's just painful (and Intellij is faster than Eclipse). Java anything eats RAM like a fat kid eats skittles and drags your CPU like you're running a race with him on your shoulders. Intellij IDEA eats up around 600mb of RAM being open and Eclipse is around the same.
That amount of RAM is also low as well. Your system is already using at least 50% of that + whatever more for your GPU if you do not have a separate GPU.
Can you use that computer to do some basic application tutorials, theme and do small mods? Yeah sure. Will it be annoying to do so? A little, as things lag and you probably don't realize it as you're used to that system.
If you're going to compile Android from the source, then that computer will never work out. Android source needs around 8-16gb of RAM for 2.3.x and 16-24gb for ICS. A 4 core CPU such as an i5 or i7 is also recommended.
You could build a decent computer from parts made for compiling for probably 700-900 excluding a monitor. One for just apps and anything else for probably 500-600.
Yeah definitely time for an upgrade.
I dev on my laptop. It's a Toshiba Satellite L675D-7104:
AMD Turion II Dual Core 2.5GHz cpu, 4GB RAM, 500GB HD, ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4200, dual booting Windows 7 Home Premium and Fedora 16.
It's a decent mid-range computer, nothing too special. It does the job as far as building ROMs. It can build from source, but takes a pretty long time.
Thanks folks. I will be dispatching my computer promptly, office space style
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Thanks folks. I will be dispatching my computer promptly, office space style
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No need for that, I use old computers for linux test boxes quite a bit as you don't need that much to run it with just the command line. I'm sure someone will take it off your hands if you put it on Craigslist or give it to the thrift store.
So this might night be possible, but....
Gaming was basically dominantly windows. Now, with windows 8, which is less focused on gaming, is probably going to be the end of windows gaming and the start of linux gaming. Even Gabe Newell, head of the company Valve, started focusing on ditching windows, porting games to linux, and encouraging developers to dev for linux. They've also found that games run better on OpenGL than DirectX.
So then that made me think... Android is based off of linux, right? So would it be possible for a dev to make something like Wine that would allow linux programs to run on Android?
It sounds very possible since the games would use OpenGL instead of the windows-only closed source DirectX. And preformance probably won't be an issue if you keep the settings low since we have such advanced mobile GPUs and processors.
This would open a whole new gaming window for Android - We'd be able to play any linux game. That means Mass Effect, Half Life, Assassin's Creed, and all the other top games on our devices.
So is this possible? Could a future update add the ability to use linux programs on android? Is this not plausible because of ARM processors? Would it be too slow?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL_ES
Who needs to port anything?
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There is the whole x86 vs ARM issue. If the game is open source it could be compiled for ARM android, but a closed source x86 Linux game is useless on ARM.
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So this might night be possible, but....
Gaming was basically dominantly windows. Now, with windows 8, which is less focused on gaming, is probably going to be the end of windows gaming and the start of linux gaming. Even Gabe Newell, head of the company Valve, started focusing on ditching windows, porting games to linux, and encouraging developers to dev for linux. They've also found that games run better on OpenGL than DirectX.
So then that made me think... Android is based off of linux, right? So would it be possible for a dev to make something like Wine that would allow linux programs to run on Android?
It sounds very possible since the games would use OpenGL instead of the windows-only closed source DirectX. And preformance probably won't be an issue if you keep the settings low since we have such advanced mobile GPUs and processors.
This would open a whole new gaming window for Android - We'd be able to play any linux game. That means Mass Effect, Half Life, Assassin's Creed, and all the other top games on our devices.
So is this possible? Could a future update add the ability to use linux programs on android? Is this not plausible because of ARM processors? Would it be too slow?
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A few misconceptions here in need of clarification.
Android is a Linux system.
Android runs OpenGL.
The games to Android are Android/Linux OpenGL games.
A program compiled for the standard PC x86 platform can not run on the Android ARM CPU because the CPUs are not compatible.
The standard Android device does not have enough processor/memory/gpu capacity for PC Crysis 2 etc, even if it was compiled for the ARM CPU.
The Android device definitely isn't fast enough to emulate the x86 CPU with the speed needed for game performance.
Wine emulates the OS API, but the processor architecture must be the same.
So yes, you can run Half Life on Android, but only if Valve makes a port to Android of it first.
I am currently running Remix OS for PC Hacked Edition 2.0.205 on a Toshiba Satellite Radius 12 (P25W-2300C-4k) 2 in 1 notebook. When booted into Remix the fans are generally running all the time. I though reducing the CPU would help with the heat and therefor reduce the fan use. I did something similar in Windows 10 and Ubuntu 16.04 and it works perfect. The notebook has a Core I7 Dual core 6th gen CPU so I should be able to reduce my clock by half without any problem. When I downloaded an oveerclocking app from the play store my only options were 400Mhz and 3.0GHz, there were no speeds in between. I tried another app and found the same thing. Has anyone else tried to under or over clock their CPU in Remix and found the same issue, only seeing two possible clock speeds?
Thanks
After testing out a bunch of the overclock apps in the play store I found one that seems to work. For anyone interested it is called 3C CPU Manager. I am only able to underclock my CPU because the kernel of Remix OS doesn't seem to support overclocking.
This is a fairly major issue with RemixOS and the myriad of hardware running it currently. With such a small team working on it, I imagine it's impossible to enumerate all the hardware configurations out there, especially legacy. Personally, I just fried another chip on RemixOS, a Nvidia quadro fx 3600m, out of a dell precision m6300 (rather upsetting), tinkering around and running the hacked edition as well. These cards were suspect due to solder issues anyway, but I believe it had a lot more life left in it. I never noticed until it was to late in my case, the fan's on my system weren't enumerated/activated whatsoever, until a hard shutdown-reboot, and the fabled blue lines of death it has now. I'd be especially careful with watching your cpu/gpu temps, and doubly cautious on which programs/games you decide to run through remixOS, as I have no doubt with the plethora of apps available, there are many floating around that can run your card in way's it was never intended.
Thanks for the info, I am only interested in underclocking my notebook rather than overclocking it. It just happens that the apps used are typically called overclocking apps. With how hot Remix runs on my notebook I wouldn't even consider overclocking. Remix currently runs at 1 GHz max (CPU capable of 3.1GHz) using the app I listed above and my fans come on far less than they were before. I am fairly certain underclocking worked for a few reasons, my computer doesn't run as hot, the fans are not running 24/7 and validated the clock speed using ZCPU and cpuinfo in /proc. In addition to the extra power draw from the fans, I was also worried about the fans failing from running so much. Replacing a fan in a desktop is one thing, replacing a fan in a compact notebook like mine is well, not so easy. Sorry to hear about your card, I would be quite upset if my notebook/graphics chip fried. Hope yu don't mind i'm going to use your info to update my article. Will give credit due
I saw my notebook CPU running most of the time >80 C in Remix OS. It never happens in Windows or Linux. Isn't that it is related to the underlying structure of Android on x86?