as the title says im having trouble with battery drain due to AudioOut_2 wakelocks but im not sure if this is really whats causing my drain. il upload my logs from betterbatterystats since im not an expert on really understanding the logs it generates. hope somebody can give me a clear explanation on my problem. because im getting paranoid over this. lol
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as the title says im having trouble with battery drain due to AudioOut_2 wakelocks but im not sure if this is really whats causing my drain. il upload my logs from betterbatterystats since im not an expert on really understanding the logs it generates. hope somebody can give me a clear explanation on my problem. because im getting paranoid over this. lol
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Do you have touch sounds enabled? I noticed when I have them enabled I get more of an audioout wake lock. I also get it while I play music on my phone.
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Do you have touch sounds enabled? I noticed when I have them enabled I get more of an audioout wake lock. I also get it while I play music on my phone.
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Yes i have it enabled. in fact all the sound settings i have under settings-sound-system are all enabled. il try disabling them all. its just so weird why its having sound wakelocks even if the phone is not being used or the screen off. thanks for your reply.
have same problem too...
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Same problem here, and I don't have the sound enabled.
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Ausboy 2011 said:
have same problem too...
Sent from my checkrom jellybean powered sgs 3
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Im aware your using checkrom from your signature but its on jb..i am running omega 27.1 JB..on the nexus 7 forums some guys are having the same problem too..is it because we are all running JB?
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same problem here using omega 27 with all system sounds off
Anyone track down a solution to this yet?
seems to be a jb thing and I spent a bit of time trying to pin down what caused it, but each time I drew a blank, but I got rid of it.....and I have kept my eyes open but I remember GM starting in his kernel thread that even he couldn't pin down what it was.
Apologies for not having a solution, but you can get rid of it
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seems to be a jb thing and I spent a bit of time trying to pin down what caused it, but each time I drew a blank, but I got rid of it.....and I have kept my eyes open but I remember GM starting in his kernel thread that even he couldn't pin down what it was.
Apologies for not having a solution, but you can get rid of it
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Might I inquire as to how you ended up getting rid of it in the end? :fingers-crossed:
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Might I inquire as to how you ended up getting rid of it in the end? :fingers-crossed:
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that's the thing.....I'm really not sure at all, something in my set up, something I froze with titanium, some sound setting, I really don't know,, I don't use haptic or touch sounds, so that might be linked, but beating in mind if I had tried one thing at a time, then used bbs and let it idle for two hours each time I tried something,I would be at it forever,
I'm dual booting slim and wanamlite, so even more complicated
Sorry to be so vague but I really can't pin it down!
skylinerr34j said:
as the title says im having trouble with battery drain due to AudioOut_2 wakelocks but im not sure if this is really whats causing my drain. il upload my logs from betterbatterystats since im not an expert on really understanding the logs it generates. hope somebody can give me a clear explanation on my problem. because im getting paranoid over this. lol
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From my testing with my stock rom and communicating with the Dev from Better Battery Stats a month ago or so, I don't believe the statistic AudioOut_1 or AudioOut_2 is the cause for any battery drain. (at least not for me) You see them listed under Partial Wakelocks but the "count" increases every time certain UI sounds are triggered even with the screen ON! So it's a bit misleading...because the OS implies that the counts are increasing during standby.....hence the term Partial Wakelock.
And YES...by disabling Keytones and Touch Sounds etc., the statistic is eliminated and BBS will not show an increase. So basically...I IGNORE THIS STATISTIC...and keep my sounds turned ON!
As a test, I suggest you to disable this feature of the phone (go to Settings - Manage Applications and disavle apps Google Text to Speech and Samsung TTS).
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As a test, I suggest you to disable this feature of the phone (go to Settings - Manage Applications and disavle apps Google Text to Speech and Samsung TTS).
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Did this work for anyone?
themadproducer said:
From my testing with my stock rom and communicating with the Dev from Better Battery Stats a month ago or so, I don't believe the statistic AudioOut_1 or AudioOut_2 is the cause for any battery drain. (at least not for me) You see them listed under Partial Wakelocks but the "count" increases every time certain UI sounds are triggered even with the screen ON! So it's a bit misleading...because the OS implies that the counts are increasing during standby.....hence the term Partial Wakelock.
And YES...by disabling Keytones and Touch Sounds etc., the statistic is eliminated and BBS will not show an increase. So basically...I IGNORE THIS STATISTIC...and keep my sounds turned ON!
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See I would agree with you but when you turn and disable everything you have to your phone should be allowed to enter deep sleep. under the partial wakelock the audioOut_2 is the only thing not allowing it to enter thus if you look at all the all the apps you have running and some apps run like the sound is on even with the screen off. My problem was puzzle and dragons would run the sound and drain my battery and when i exit it the audio problem stops. So to answer your question tony just empty your running apps when you get ready to turn your screen off and see if that helps.
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See I would agree with you but when you turn and disable everything you have to your phone should be allowed to enter deep sleep. under the partial wakelock the audioOut_2 is the only thing not allowing it to enter thus if you look at all the all the apps you have running and some apps run like the sound is on even with the screen off. My problem was puzzle and dragons would run the sound and drain my battery and when i exit it the audio problem stops. So to answer your question tony just empty your running apps when you get ready to turn your screen off and see if that helps.
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Same for me. Normally my tablet eats 1 percent of battery max for a screen off hour. Today, I restarted, done a backup, booted the system and then I turned the screen off and went about my bussiness. Now, according to BBS, I have 3,5 percent down per hour. And the only "huge" wakelock is Audioout_2.
michalurban said:
Same for me. Normally my tablet eats 1 percent of battery max for a screen off hour. Today, I restarted, done a backup, booted the system and then I turned the screen off and went about my bussiness. Now, according to BBS, I have 3,5 percent down per hour. And the only "huge" wakelock is Audioout_2.
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Same problem here on my note 2... last night before sleep time i killed all apps by holding down the home button.BBS clearly showed audio_out2 as the one which has the partial wakelocks... sigh... no solution yet?
on a side note in sound settings im not using sound and vibration. just keyones. screen lock sound and haptic fb.
Same problem here
All touchsounds disabled and AudioOut_2 did not stop to drain my battery. Maybe it's time to switch to BlackBerry Z10.
for those who are having problems with phone not going to sleep, just go to settings - manage apps - and disable the Samsung TTS app (or freeze it with Titanium Backup). At least this fixed the problem here.
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Hello to all and thanks for your time.
First of all i did search about such a thread and could not find any which seemed to help including the stickies.
My problem is something on my room is misbehaving and chews trough the battery like hell.i need help identifying it.
To id my system :I'm on 9100xxlpw stock rooted no additional battery managers.
to describe the problem. I charged the phone to 100% and 5 hours later it was 50%.(i was sleeping so they're was no usage)
CPU spy reports 30 min of deep sleep rest 200mghz.
I'll add battery stats later.but basically Android system is chewing the batt. System appears to sleep but doesn't go deep sleep
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Install BetterBatteryStats. That should give you some clues as to what's causing the drain.
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Install BetterBatteryStats. That should give you some clues as to what's causing the drain.
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Added Screen shots, please ignore media player and usb. I took screen shots as soon as I notice strange stuff but somehow system showed the screen shots duplicated so I deleted duplicates. Later I noticed I deleted the originals (most probably there was one c to begin with but gallery showed me duplicates, which is strange ).
New ones are taken after apprx. 1 hour of XDA browsing & listening to music.
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Added Screen shots, please ignore media player and usb. I took screen shots as soon as I notice strange stuff but somehow system showed the screen shots duplicated so I deleted duplicates. Later I noticed I deleted the originals (most probably there was one c to begin with but gallery showed me duplicates, which is strange ).
New ones are taken after apprx. 1 hour of XDA browsing & listening to music.
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open BBS app then press soft menu key ones then select more and in that press Dump to file
then u see the log file in ur internal sdcard, post the same so that it can be checked to determine the wakelocks causing batt drain
Sun90 said:
open BBS app then press soft menu key ones then select more and in that press Dump to file
then u see the log file in ur internal sdcard, post the same so that it can be checked to determine the wakelocks causing batt drain
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Gladly....
I think I have a possible culprit while searching for suspend_backoff
I found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1697899 the phone model is different but I decided to turn wifi off to test and my battery consumption is almost like flat line when I'm not using the phone now (Data & synch is still enabled ). I do not know what causes this but I am not trough yet. I'd appreciate anyone to ID the source of the problem and how to overcome it (other than keeping wifi off) or should I switch to another rom
I have the same problem as you, but I think it is related to the (known and not yet solved) problem of the "dirty WiFi network", as it happens only with my office WiFi and not with my home one...
However in my case the problem is intermittent, while I always have the same high drain under the office WiFi, the major source of drainage changes, sometimes is suspend_backoff, other times it's deleted_wake_locks...
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I have the same problem as you, but I think it is related to the (known and not yet solved) problem of the "dirty WiFi network", as it happens only with my office WiFi and not with my home one...
However in my case the problem is intermittent, while I always have the same high drain under the office WiFi, the major source of drainage changes, sometimes is suspend_backoff, other times it's deleted_wake_locks...
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I also had a feeling it might be wifi. I'm not sure what you mean by dirty wifi but. My home network seems to be suffering from dns problems. Also when I go to work one of my customers has a proxy while other has a unprotected wifi with web login. in both cases phone is able to connect to wifi but not to internet.
I also considered this might create some drain but it is too severe. I even thought my phone battery to be dead.
When i fall asleep i just place my phone nearby the bed and its on airplane mode,wifi closed,data closed and generally no apps running(i think so).The battery is level (ex)50% and when i wake up,about 7 hours later its always about 15-20%.why this happen?
I checked the battery manager just after i waked up and the first was screen(56%) and after that adobe reader(10%)
Start with Better Battery Stats and read the ten million battery posts on XDA .
jje
chaos748 said:
When i fall asleep i just place my phone nearby the bed and its on airplane mode,wifi closed,data closed and generally no apps running(i think so).The battery is level (ex)50% and when i wake up,about 7 hours later its always about 15-20%.why this happen?
I checked the battery manager just after i waked up and the first was screen(56%) and after that adobe reader(10%)
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Mine drops about 1.5% every hour whenever it's on standby.
JJEgan said:
Start with Better Battery Stats and read the ten million battery posts on XDA .
jje
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Better battery stats does not work.dont know why.and i made my own post cause i cannot find the solution of the problem on other posts.try to be more polite to your answers
have you tried downloading the xda version of the better battery stats? if not here it is
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
Is your phone rooted? Like others said, try to install the xda-forum version of BBS but it's weird because I did install the one from GPlay.
One of the first lead is the WiFi? Is it always turned on? There's a bug with it. Go into the advanced WiFi settings and set it to 'only if activated' (I don't know the exact spell in English but it's something like that).
But you better have to dl BBS & check the wakelocks.
Sent from my Galaxy S3 with Omega ROM v27.2 / Phenomenal Extreme 4.0 kernel
which rom are you using?
that should be solved flashing another kernel, try it.
dont use a rom...my phone is just rooted
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what?
Underclock when you're not using your phone.
That will save battery.
If ur using stock TW. Put on power saving mode
PM Me if u want to know more.
Try using an app called easy battery saver and only use the cable and plug that came with your galaxy s3 it works for me, today I had eight hours after charge and using internet with 3g nearly continuously.
You would get much more by leaving it on standby.
Also restrict your background data, turn off your automatic updates at play store andturn off WiFi while screen is asleep.
Follow all these for better battery.
Use any battery investigation apk/widget (I'd recommend battery monitor widget) and look what is causing the drain...
may I guess: cell standby or gpsd?
guys i remember you that the cell phone is on flight mode with wifi,gps and data turned off
and, if you have a soft which contains a bug - you'll have such processes running.
It is up to you to install any apk which will contain more detailed statistics what actually is consuming so much juice.
If you do not want - no one would force you.
chaos748 said:
When i fall asleep i just place my phone nearby the bed and its on airplane mode,wifi closed,data closed and generally no apps running(i think so).The battery is level (ex)50% and when i wake up,about 7 hours later its always about 15-20%.why this happen?
I checked the battery manager just after i waked up and the first was screen(56%) and after that adobe reader(10%)
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I have the exactly same problem,30% drain overnight.That happens after updating to 4.1.1 JellyBean.With ICS never happened.
Go into the battery page, click on the graph and then post a screenshot of the detailed graph here. It is usually an app or process not letting the phone go into standby. Happened to me when I had my phone on ICS out of the box. I fixed that all up through the individual app settings and all was sweet. Then when I went from ICS to JB, the issue came up again and I had to go through the apps again to change the settings back. It seems that by updating from ICS to JB, certain settings get set back to default, which then does not allow the phone to go into standby.
Culprits that I have found are:
Facebook - set to manual refresh interval
Weather (or any weather widget) - manual refresh interval
Google play store - Turn off Google AdMob Ads
Any form of newsreader (I was using Pulse) - Turn off notification when there are new stories
Wifi advanced settings - Set Keep Wifi on during sleep to "Always"
Samsung account - Turn off sync
Samsung app store - Turn off Update Notification, turn off push notification, turn off ad preferences.
chaos748 said:
When i fall asleep i just place my phone nearby the bed and its on airplane mode,wifi closed,data closed and generally no apps running(i think so).The battery is level (ex)50% and when i wake up,about 7 hours later its always about 15-20%.why this happen?
I checked the battery manager just after i waked up and the first was screen(56%) and after that adobe reader(10%)
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Maybe some apps running in background if you are using *viber* delete it
It makes proximity sensor always on.
Try delete apps like that
Thanks
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Guys please keep in mind that keeping the stock os without any custom kernel might be not as effective than using an adequate custom rom...
In addition remember, cooler temperatures cause ur battery to lose its charge faster...
So if ur phone is placed on the window shelf and its getting cold during the night it might cause ur battery to drop fast..
I made this observation with my sgs plus....
Hope i helped.
Hey everyone,
Has anyone else been experiencing lag on their Optimus G when they scroll through settings, contacts, messages, or apps? On my phone i consistenly get some stutter when I scroll through the settings menus and I wanted to know if this was normal. I am on my second Optimus G after my first one had overheating issues and this one now seems to have some lag issues for some reason. Is this even possible? or am I being overly obsessive over this? I love the phone and if i do take it back it would be for another Optimus G I am just wondering if what I am experiencing is normal.
Thanks for the replies,
yidavs
I do see this once in a while.
Sent from my Nocturnal'd LGOG!
Me too.. Alot when I'm charging actually
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Already discussed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2089649
Thrown up by my LG Optimus G, why you jelly at my superior phone?
But this isnt a lag per se I guess, its a stutter, I dont notice it when opening things up, it just when i scroll through screen, especially settings, its stutters a bit. I think I am just being paranoid.
yidavs2010 said:
But this isnt a lag per se I guess, its a stutter, I dont notice it when opening things up, it just when i scroll through screen, especially settings, its stutters a bit. I think I am just being paranoid.
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That's called ICS. Mine does it too. Haha.
If the phone is charging it tends to act strange. So if it is charging try getting a multitouch visualizer and try using more than one finger, it doesn't like to recognize some taps and multiple fingers. (The best way to reduce this is to use the stock LG cord and plug, I was using an older one and the phone was almost unusable, still sneaks in on the LG ones though).
If this is happening off the charger... I am sorry to hear that, I haven't noticed anything of the sort.
But I am on The Base with Nocturnal Mods (not sure if there are any performance tweaks in here or more just audio/visual candy) and am using a third party launcher.
Well firstly, I am using stock software, so ICS with LG's UI over it with no mods. Secondly, I was able to find a place where it lags every time: when I scroll between the sound and display settings. This makes me think it may only be a software issue and should be fixed with Jelly Bean when we do get it eventually. Although strangely enough, now my battery life is really bad, like it wont even last me a day where as a week ago it would last me a day and a half
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Well firstly, I am using stock software, so ICS with LG's UI over it with no mods. Secondly, I was able to find a place where it lags every time: when I scroll between the sound and display settings. This makes me think it may only be a software issue and should be fixed with Jelly Bean when we do get it eventually. Although strangely enough, now my battery life is really bad, like it wont even last me a day where as a week ago it would last me a day and a half
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Are you using the tabbed settings (I'm not sure, but I think AT&T made this... may explain why it doesn't work as well, you can get the default settings menu by just pressing the menu button in the main menu screen and selecting list view (or whatever the only option there is called).
Also, Are you getting wake locks or anything?
I just today had mediaserver DESTROY my battery (like 20% in an hour) and it was second only to android OS in my battery usage info.
I seem to have fixed it though (it didn't go away with a reboot). I had to freeze media storage, boot into recovery and clear my caches, reboot and restart media storage.
I also deleted a song I had downloaded from a youtube video (it was the only new thing I had downloaded it a day or so and thought the conversion may have corrupted the file which is a suspected culprit of media storage rescanning forever).
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Are you using the tabbed settings (I'm not sure, but I think AT&T made this... may explain why it doesn't work as well, you can get the default settings menu by just pressing the menu button in the main menu screen and selecting list view (or whatever the only option there is called).
Also, Are you getting wake locks or anything?
I just today had mediaserver DESTROY my battery (like 20% in an hour) and it was second only to android OS in my battery usage info.
I seem to have fixed it though (it didn't go away with a reboot). I had to freeze media storage, boot into recovery and clear my caches, reboot and restart media storage.
I also deleted a song I had downloaded from a youtube video (it was the only new thing I had downloaded it a day or so and thought the conversion may have corrupted the file which is a suspected culprit of media storage rescanning forever).
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Thanks for the settings advise, i did it and now it doesnt stutter when i scroll through it. As for the battery life, I am not sure how to do any of what you suggested. Are you asking whether i am getting any lag when waking up? is that what you mean by wake locks?
yidavs2010 said:
Thanks for the settings advise, i did it and now it doesnt stutter when i scroll through it. As for the battery life, I am not sure how to do any of what you suggested. Are you asking whether i am getting any lag when waking up? is that what you mean by wake locks?
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I'm glad the settings thing worked.
And for the other things, you would have to be rooted and unlocked with an app manager program like titanium backup pro or ultimate backup pro.
Pretty much, a wake lock is an app or process that keeps the phone awake even when the screen is off, using the battery when it should be sleeping.
If you go into settings>power saver>battery use you can see what is using your battery.
Android OS is high on this phone, then next should probably be screen and so on by what uses the most resources on your phone.
One of the big culprits (at least for me) was mediaserver, it was using a lot of power.
Another possible cause for battery drain on this phone is the way AT&T and this phone handles a data connection called fast dormancy (I believe this is for if you have 3G, not sure tough). There is an app that can fix that, but you have to be rooted for that to work I believe.
And you could have installed another app that is keeping the phone on, even if the screen is off.
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I'm glad the settings thing worked.
And for the other things, you would have to be rooted and unlocked with an app manager program like titanium backup pro or ultimate backup pro.
Pretty much, a wake lock is an app or process that keeps the phone awake even when the screen is off, using the battery when it should be sleeping.
If you go into settings>power saver>battery use you can see what is using your battery.
Android OS is high on this phone, then next should probably be screen and so on by what uses the most resources on your phone.
One of the big culprits (at least for me) was mediaserver, it was using a lot of power.
Another possible cause for battery drain on this phone is the way AT&T and this phone handles a data connection called fast dormancy (I believe this is for if you have 3G, not sure tough). There is an app that can fix that, but you have to be rooted for that to work I believe.
And you could have installed another app that is keeping the phone on, even if the screen is off.
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Thank you for the advice, today my battery life was better, but looking at the battery use break down my "google services" was the highest. I mean it was higher than Android OS which i have never seen before. Wifi was second which is understandable since I was on my college campus all day and then came Android OS. What does this include and is there anyway to reduce this?
Hi!
I have a Google Nexus phone on Verizon and it has recently begun waking up on it's own with no apparent reason. It keeps doing this and kills the battery within an hour or so. It only seems to do this when running on battery. It does not happen while charging.
I wanted to know if there is a way to monitor what process/application is waking the phone up.
I have uninstalled the two apps that I remember installing since the problem began and I'd rather not go through having to uninstall every app to figure out what is causing it!
TIA!
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Hi!
I have a Google Nexus phone on Verizon and it has recently begun waking up on it's own with no apparent reason. It keeps doing this and kills the battery within an hour or so. It only seems to do this when running on battery. It does not happen while charging.
I wanted to know if there is a way to monitor what process/application is waking the phone up.
I have uninstalled the two apps that I remember installing since the problem began and I'd rather not go through having to uninstall every app to figure out what is causing it!
TIA!
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Yep, there is. Just try wakelock detector.
Other people use also betterbattery stats, but I can't read it.
Thanks for the suggestion!
I've installed WLD but I'm a bit confused by what I should be looking at to see what app is turning my screen on. I read the presentation about WLD but it did not seem to help me. (Maybe I have a feeble brain!)
I did try disabling the application (Lightflow) that seemed to be waking the phone up a lot but the screen is still coming on without reason.
If you could point me the right direction, I'd REALLY appreciate it!
Hello! I bet you have seen this a heap of times. Well guess what, so have I. Alas, nothing has been found - I checked Android Central, the T-Mobile and AT&T websites and all sorts of other techy places but to no avail. So here I am, scavenging information, doing stuff to my phone - I am finally to the end point - writing a post myself.
So, heres my problem: awful battery and when I charge while using the phone, the battery goes DOWN!
Lets start with this
What I have done:
Factory reset
Cleared cache
Deleted every program (app)
Airplane mode
No sim card
Downgrade to 4.1.2
Rooted and calibrated battery
Full discharge to full charge
Now please check the eye candy down below in the attachments..
So.. What else?! It isn't a hardware problem because when it is turned off and charging, it seems to be fine.
Some system specs:
Galaxy S3
International
OmniRom 4.4 (btw, this ALSO has drain, I install hoping it wouldn't)
Wrong section just post in q& a section...
Install BBS and see what's eating your battery..
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Go into Google Settings and Turn Location Reporting Off. If you want a more agressive power saving go into WiFi settings and turn Always Scanning Off.
Clean
I had this problem of the phone discharging while charging (no pun intended) and the only solution I found was to clean the phone's USB charging port with an Contacts cleaner Spray (the one that has a "pipe/tube", let it dry out and clean the usb plug likewise. That solved my problem. But mind you: my problem was phone discharging while charging
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Go into Google Settings and Turn Location Reporting Off. If you want a more agressive power saving go into WiFi settings and turn Always Scanning Off.
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Thanks for the info. I did both, yet, noticing a little less awaking, it still drains when charging and rather abnormally when not and just using it. The only thing waking my phone up now seems to be Google Search? (in wake lock detector) Cant anyone explain that?
Install an app disable services and disable Google services which are active in background... But disable then one by one as it may affect your play store functionality...
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kunal1540 said:
Install an app disable services and disable Google services which are active in background... But disable then one by one as it may affect your play store functionality...
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using wake lock detector I noticed the apps name (google search) was com.google.android.googlequicksearch... but, using a service disabling app, I couldn't find that name under the system app ''google search'' tab?
*EDIT: I tracked all the wakelocks (ALL of them) and they lead to location services! Simply turning it off gives me no more wake locks. Not a permanent solution as I am completely unsatisfied, but a temporary one nonetheless. Going to keep monitoring battery as it seems to be fine, but I haven't nailed down the discharg while charging problem yet...