Ask a Moderator - HTC EVO 3D

Ask a Moderator - HTC EVO 3D

Ok. So I have thought about doing this for a long time and always have a reason why I haven't done it. I also still have plenty of reservations with it, but I trust it will go well.
What this is:
Ask questions to the moderation team here in the 3d forum. Mostly me. I can't say the others will participate in this thread, as they are not required to. We don't have to talk about a lot of what goes on and I will not force them to. I digress.
If you are confused about a certain rule, or just want clarification, come here. If you want guidance on how to approach a certain situation (this mostly for me), you can come here.
What this isn't:
A place to discuss in detail why someone was banned. Also we will not discuss the banning of people in the past. I will not usually talk about why someone was infracted. Those are all personal details, and will be left as such. Also this is not a place to flame the moderators or anyone else.
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This is my attempt to be fairly transparent with the user base. Most everyone here who knows me, knows that I am willing to talk to just about anyone, and am easy to get a long with. As long as you keep this a civil thread, it will remain. This isn't something that is required, I'm doing it to hopefully bring about some civility in this forum. We don't do things in secret, we just don't talk about it publicly usually.
You work with me, I will work with you.
Savvy?
Thanks to ramjet73 for encouraging me to go ahead and do this.

I too will participate and have subscribed to this thread. As most know I'm not secretive and don't hold alliances with a lot of devs here in 3d land. I tell it like it is and don't let anyone bash another member or previous member for that matter. As long as this is civil I will be as well. Let's play nice and all get along. Remember everyone we are all here to tweak our phones, run the latest software, have the coolest stuff, have fun, and share in our hobby. Nobody here is paid to be here at all so there is no reason to fight cause it gets u no where.
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What they said ^
Also, as I am often seen as the more angry mod (I'm doing my best to curtail that), hopefully I'll be able to eloquently explain the reasons for my shortness.
Carry on.

Where do babies come from?? HAHAHAHA
Obviously I'm joking BUT I do have a serious question.
Why does the search feature go down once a day??
I know a lot of noobs don't notice this because they don't search BUT I use it all day long and I know I'm not the only one that finds this annoying!

Just a few questions. I'm not sure if these fall under the questions that are allowed to be asked, but:
1.] Is Agrabren simply not allowed to post CDMA builds anymore? I still don't truly understand the path his CDMA development has gone, it seems to come and go.
2.] To my understanding there are false GPL claims being made against him. How exactly are those claims made/handled? Is it an automated system? If not, wouldn't it be possible to tell which claims being made are just trolls?
3.] How do you guys put up with the drama so well? I would have lost my mind a long time ago :crying:

Reporting Posts
Thanks to pstevep and papa smurf151 for opening this thread.
I'll try to start this in the spirit that I think it was intended by asking the mods what is the best way to handle a post that has been made in the wrong forum, something that rarely happens in the Evo 3d forums.
We don't want to discourage new users that might not know better, but there are detailed guidelines posted for the development forum by papa smurf151 as a sticky in that forum, and general guidelines for new threads in the Forum & Marketplace Rules post at the top of each forum.
In your opinions, is it appropriate to link those guidelines when a post is misplaced or better to just reference them and let the users find them on their own? It's a good exercise to find them yourself when you are not even aware that they exist, but sometimes that discourages users from actually reading them.
This may sound trivial so far, but my real question is whether or not we should report these posts. Is it helpful to the mods to report posts, or better to just wait until someone gets around to reviewing the new threads.
On a broader scale, when would you recommend that we report posts versus just leaving it to the mods to handle them?
ramjet73

This was a great idea. I just want to say thank you to ramjet, pvstepup, and papasmurf for allowing a chance for normal members to come together and let members have a chance to clear the air of any matters that maybe unclear. This is one is for papasmurf: I notice more recently that you have locked quite a few threads with all having something to do with opinions of what's the best Rom or kernel. Now many of us get the idea that you are preventing flaming wars and trying to keep things civil. Myself and many others are wondering, is our hunches accurate?

DarkRazorZ said:
Just a few questions. I'm not sure if these fall under the questions that are allowed to be asked, but:
1.] Is Agrabren simply not allowed to post CDMA builds anymore? I still don't truly understand the path his CDMA development has gone, it seems to come and go.
2.] To my understanding there are false GPL claims being made against him. How exactly are those claims made/handled? Is it an automated system? If not, wouldn't it be possible to tell which claims being made are just trolls?
3.] How do you guys put up with the drama so well? I would have lost my mind a long time ago :crying:
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1. From my understanding he has taken his cdma builds off xda to let things chill for awhile. When things get heated sometimes the best course of action is to cool off and let time resolve the situation
2. Even though there are devs not on xda we do exchange emails or talk on other forums...sometimes even gtalk. The real gpl complaints come that way as well as from pm with specific issues linked and evidence given. Simply saying he's breaking the rules with no proof gets u no where with the mod team
3. Actually 99% of the time we have nothing go do and that's a good thing. At times we simply go into threads...clean them up and leave a warning. If it gets bad then u take further actions. Keeping a cool head and having to remain neutral helps to not get so mad since u don't take sides its easier. If it gets personal or u r personally involved that's when u step aside and let ur fellow mods help. We r all a big team and work together
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Mazda said:
Where do babies come from?? HAHAHAHA
Obviously I'm joking BUT I do have a serious question.
Why does the search feature go down once a day??
I know a lot of noobs don't notice this because they don't search BUT I use it all day long and I know I'm not the only one that finds this annoying!
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U see when ur mom was hot I meet her at this hotel...I have pictures if u want details and well 9 months later we had a son named alex. I was ashamed of him so I left....lmso jk man.
Search = bang head against wall.
We really have no control of it. Its a server issue I think
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Papa Smurf151 said:
U see when ur mom was hot I meet her at this hotel...I have pictures if u want details and well 9 months later we had a son named alex. I was ashamed of him so I left....lmso jk man.
Search = bang head against wall.
We really have no control of it. Its a server issue I think
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Thanks.......DAD??!?? HAHAHAHAHHA

ramjet73 said:
Thanks to pstevep and papa smurf151 for opening this thread.
I'll try to start this in the spirit that I think it was intended by asking the mods what is the best way to handle a post that has been made in the wrong forum, something that rarely happens in the Evo 3d forums.
We don't want to discourage new users that might not know better, but there are detailed guidelines posted for the development forum by papa smurf151 as a sticky in that forum, and general guidelines for new threads in the Forum & Marketplace Rules post at the top of each forum.
In your opinions, is it appropriate to link those guidelines when a post is misplaced or better to just reference them and let the users find them on their own? It's a good exercise to find them yourself when you are not even aware that they exist, but sometimes that discourages users from actually reading them.
This may sound trivial so far, but my real question is whether or not we should report these posts. Is it helpful to the mods to report posts, or better to just wait until someone gets around to reviewing the new threads.
On a broader scale, when would you recommend that we report posts versus just leaving it to the mods to handle them?
ramjet73
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Ok if ud like please post a link in the thread posted in wrong section to my guidelines and then report.
id rather come hone from work with 15 reported posts then to search around and see a flame war over something really stupid and trivial.
Jsparta26 said:
This was a great idea. I just want to say thank you to ramjet, pvstepup, and papasmurf for allowing a chance for normal members to come together and let members have a chance to clear the air of any matters that maybe unclear. This is one is for papasmurf: I notice more recently that you have locked quite a few threads with all having something to do with opinions of what's the best Rom or kernel. Now many of us get the idea that you are preventing flaming wars and trying to keep things civil. Myself and many others are wondering, is our hunches accurate?
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Yup ur spot on. In my dealing with these threads they turn ugly real fast. Devs get feelings hurt. Fan boys bash others roms or promote their favs. Its really all opinion and u know what they say about opinions. My suggestion is don't participate. In the og evo section we've instigated this rule and its prevented countless fights and clean up work for the mods
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And I thought babies came from the cabbage patch. It's at least cool to have 1 thread for drama. ie. V6 supercharger
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Where did the zero tolerance threads go?

iTzLOLtrain said:
Where did the zero tolerance threads go?
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It was retired. It was never meant to be here forever. It was a tool to calm things down. It worked and the reins were loosened as we do not like being dictators but will if need be.
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Mazda said:
Where do babies come from?? HAHAHAHA
Obviously I'm joking BUT I do have a serious question.
Why does the search feature go down once a day??
I know a lot of noobs don't notice this because they don't search BUT I use it all day long and I know I'm not the only one that finds this annoying!
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Oh the lovely search. It actually goes down when our custom cache gets corrupted on the server. Then our server guy has to rebuild cache which takes several hours typically. It's annoying for everyone, especially the server guy.
DarkRazorZ said:
Just a few questions. I'm not sure if these fall under the questions that are allowed to be asked, but:
1.] Is Agrabren simply not allowed to post CDMA builds anymore? I still don't truly understand the path his CDMA development has gone, it seems to come and go.
2.] To my understanding there are false GPL claims being made against him. How exactly are those claims made/handled? Is it an automated system? If not, wouldn't it be possible to tell which claims being made are just trolls?
3.] How do you guys put up with the drama so well? I would have lost my mind a long time ago :crying:
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Lord how did I know this type of question would be at the beginning.
1. He could post his CDMA build if he wanted to. Gpl wise he provides source. However due to circumstances that everyone is aware it is not being posted for the good of everyone involved. I told him that if he isn't going to post it though, we can't have it accessible from anything on here. Believe me for right now it's the greater good.
2. When a gpl claim is reported its handled ostensibly like any other report. Except that usually a senior mod and or a member of the dev committee is brought in to look at it. If there are any issues we address them with the dev in question. Agrabren's issues were looked into and addressed appropriately. Sometimes yes its easy to know when it's just trolling, but not always, it's a serious matter so we tend to take it seriously.
3. I honestly think my 3 year old had a lot to do with it for me. Calmed me down, made me more patient. Plus I'm the type of person who likes to fix things so I tend to try and defuse situations by nature. I think everyone deserves respect, and if you talk to me I will talk to you. If you work with me, i will work with you. I want what's best for the community.
Hope that helps.
ramjet73 said:
Thanks to pstevep and papa smurf151 for opening this thread.
I'll try to start this in the spirit that I think it was intended by asking the mods what is the best way to handle a post that has been made in the wrong forum, something that rarely happens in the Evo 3d forums.
We don't want to discourage new users that might not know better, but there are detailed guidelines posted for the development forum by papa smurf151 as a sticky in that forum, and general guidelines for new threads in the Forum & Marketplace Rules post at the top of each forum.
In your opinions, is it appropriate to link those guidelines when a post is misplaced or better to just reference them and let the users find them on their own? It's a good exercise to find them yourself when you are not even aware that they exist, but sometimes that discourages users from actually reading them.
This may sound trivial so far, but my real question is whether or not we should report these posts. Is it helpful to the mods to report posts, or better to just wait until someone gets around to reviewing the new threads.
On a broader scale, when would you recommend that we report posts versus just leaving it to the mods to handle them?
ramjet73
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Just report instantly. Or you can pm me directly. I don't always see the reported posts as much as I'm mobile 75% of the time. I have a lot of gut feelings that pay off and I'm in the right place at the right time. I also have devs (not as much in the 3d forum) that will gtalk me when something is going down. But report as soon as you see it is the best Option.
EDIT: as for wrong posting. You can instruct the person politely that they are in the wrong forum, but still report so we can move it. Does that help?
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Please please please please use report. There's only 3 of us fsm, plus pstevep. We can't see it all thread wise since we all moderate more than just this forum, but we can see the reports (and faster). PM's work too.
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Where the heck have you been? There are 6 in here now not counting me. Granted one is fairly inactive, but still 6 listed.

Yeah six fsm in here but 3 fsm that are active at all.
plus u of course
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il Duce said:
What they said ^
Also, as I am often seen as the more angry mod (I'm doing my best to curtail that), hopefully I'll be able to eloquently explain the reasons for my shortness.
Carry on.
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Why are you the angry mod? Was it something from your childhood?
In all seriousness, I don't see how you're considered the angry mod. You've always been helpful. In fact, I've noticed in the teamd3rp Q&A, you're one of the only ones answering questions.
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Why can't I find the anthrax kernel here I used to use it on meanrom but now I can't find it anywhere! I my opinion there is no better kernel.
That sucker flew not to mention I hate the stock kernel!
So could you point me to the anthrax GB kernel that would be great or at least who makes it! I only remember the name of it because it has the same name of my favorite band.

coal686 said:
Why are you the angry mod? Was it something from your childhood?
In all seriousness, I don't see how you're considered the angry mod. You've always been helpful. In fact, I've noticed in the teamd3rp Q&A, you're one of the only ones answering questions.
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Because I go off on people.
spirithandler said:
Why can't I find the anthrax kernel here I used to use it on meanrom but now I can't find it anywhere! I my opinion there is no better kernel.
That sucker flew not to mention I hate the stock kernel!
So could you point me to the anthrax GB kernel that would be great or at least who makes it! I only remember the name of it because it has the same name of my favorite band.
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Related

[Q] Where are they pulled from

I was wondering if someone knew off the top of their head where text under icons on the notification pull down come from. Are they hard code or pulled from a sys var. I want to delete them. If they are code in a file what is the file name?
I have looked in a few files and I have either missed it or have not looked in the right file yet. My eyes are going cross from reading hex code.
Thanks

It's within the twframework-res.apk. I have forgotten which xml though.
Questions of this nature should be asked in Q&A section.
good day.

chopper the dog said:
It's within the twframework-res.apk. I have forgotten which xml though.
Questions of this nature should be asked in Q&A section.
good day.
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Thanks. I'll go through there again.
I was going to put it in the Q&A but its not a general question. Since it is about dev. I went ahead and put it here. Sometime its hard to decide where to post a question.
Thanks again

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979224
"Currently people are asking quite a few questions in the development section. Starting today (3/3/2011) any new question threads made in the development sections WILL be moved to the Q&A section without a redirect thread. DO NOT POST QUESTIONS IN THE DEV FORUM."

BrwnSuperman said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979224
"Currently people are asking quite a few questions in the development section. Starting today (3/3/2011) any new question threads made in the development sections WILL be moved to the Q&A section without a redirect thread. DO NOT POST QUESTIONS IN THE DEV FORUM."
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And you needed to do this why? Make yourself feel like a mod? Some people need to grow up here. jeez

MSHancock said:
And you needed to do this why? Make yourself feel like a mod? Some people need to grow up here. jeez
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He needed to do it because you obviously still believed that this question belonged in the development forum. It doesn't, as pointed out without any flaming and in a totally innocuous way. As far as I can tell the only one who needs to grow up here is you.
You made a mistake, instead of defending that mistake in the face of irrefutable proof that you are wrong, just admit it and move on. You only make yourself seem more ignorant when you get upset that people are doing their best to keep posts where they belong. Your question was a good one, just please post it in the correct board next time so we can keep the development board open for development topics.
Nothing against you man, just really getting tired of people getting so pissed off when someone tells them they are in the wrong section.

I agree, my post was in the wrong section. I thanked chopper for pointing out where I should have put it. I went back and went over ashasaur's new posting rules and saw the section he posted way before BrwnSuperman posted it.
With that said
You get pissed when someone tells a OP they are in the wrong section
I get pissed when I see people standing in line to play mod and ***** at someone
How about we agree to disagree. Everyone has a different opinion and we are all here for the same reason.

MSHancock said:
I agree, my post was in the wrong section. I thanked chopper for pointing out where I should have put it. I went back and went over ashasaur's new posting rules and saw the section he posted way before BrwnSuperman posted it.
With that said
You get pissed when someone tells a OP they are in the wrong section
I get pissed when I see people standing in line to play mod and ***** at someone
How about we agree to disagree. Everyone has a different opinion and we are all here for the same reason.
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"I was going to put it in the Q&A but its not a general question. Since it is about dev. I went ahead and put it here. Sometime its hard to decide where to post a question."
You seemed a bit confused so I thought I would just point it out in the rules, I didn't add anything personal in.

MSHancock said:
You get pissed when someone tells a OP they are in the wrong section
I get pissed when I see people standing in line to play mod and ***** at someone
How about we agree to disagree.
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How about we agree to not let forum posts actually make us angry.
Real life is the only thing that requires an emotional response, not internet land.

Relax guys. Nobody has even insulted someone else's mother yet.

BrwnSuperman said:
"I was going to put it in the Q&A but its not a general question. Since it is about dev. I went ahead and put it here. Sometime its hard to decide where to post a question."
You seemed a bit confused so I thought I would just point it out in the rules, I didn't add anything personal in.
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Agreed. You didn't and I did by snapping at ya. For that I will say sorry.
I should have went over the new rules again since it had been awhile since my last post.

Just do what I, and many others here have done.. stop posting on XDA. It seems no matter where you post nowadays, it's the wrong section.
A development section where you can't talk about development, only announce your releases, which you must know how to do on your own, since you can't ask questions. But no app or theme releases, those go somewhere else where you can't talk about themes or apps. General, where you can't ask questions, only state factual things about anything not having to do with development, or apps, or themes, or other phones, or anything having to do with issues with your phone, especially your battery life, or a development release not working correctly, or anything somewhat resembling a request for an expert opinion, such as a release date.
In short, the rules here could easily be shortened to:
Don't post anywhere about anything. Welcome to XDA.
Caution: This post may be moved shortly, as it contains a welcome to a fellow XDA member, which may require it's placement in the XDA member chat section, or general, seeing as there are no questions, or Q&A, seeing as it answers a question, or maybe the main Android section, seeing as it has to do with the XDA forums. Either way, it
'll be in the wrong forum and I'll yet again get a long line of people hopping on the "wrong forum, asshat!" bandwagon.

Here is a tip from me to the entirety of internet users:
If you ever feel angry about someone who has "wronged" you on an internet forum, immediately call someone who doesn't use the internet as much as you (parents, significant other, non-techie best friend).
Now attempt to explain the situation to that person.
Or maybe just imagine doing this in your mind, because that's all it usually takes to realize how incredibly dumb you will then feel for getting angry about anything that happens on the internet.
Grandma: "...he told you your thread was in the wrong forum... and that makes you angry..."
You: "Ya... ok so it's a bigger deal than it sounds like. My reputation is at stake here."
Grandma: "What is a forum? Get their mothers' phone numbers and I'll have a stern talk with them."

GizmoDroid said:
Here is a tip from me to the entirety of internet users:
If you ever feel angry about someone who has "wronged" you on an internet forum, immediately call someone who doesn't use the internet as much as you (parents, significant other, non-techie best friend).
Now attempt to explain the situation to that person.
Grandma: "...he told you your thread was in the wrong forum... and that makes you angry..."
You: "Ya... ok so it's a bigger deal than it sounds like. My reputation is at stake here."
Grandma: "What is a forum? Get their mothers' phone numbers and I'll have a stern talk with them."
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Or in a logical, realistic way:
You: "I spent hours upon hours learning, testing, fixing, coding and sharing something, for zero income, just to have someone nix it all out in a heartbeat for some bull**** reason."
Grandma: "I would be upset, too"
If you think real people are not on the other end of your posts, you are the reason people get angry.

MSHancock said:
Agreed. You didn't and I did by snapping at ya. For that I will say sorry.
I should have went over the new rules again since it had been awhile since my last post.
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I retract my sorry!
I went through some of your post and you do seem to have a "WANNA BE MOD" problem. Your constantly telling people where things should go.

Domush said:
If you think real people are not on the other end of your posts, you are the reason people get angry.
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The only time anyone gets upset by what I say is when they read a tone into what I'm writing that wasn't my intention. I am encouraging the reader to being less sensitive when reading posts.
If you look in other threads, you will see that I encourage the writers of posts to be concise and straight-forward but patient with requests for help or when reporting problems, instead of demanding someone else to solve their problem. Instead of getting angry about it, I let them know about how inefficient their method of approaching the issue is, and try to encourage them to make posts that help the flow of information, instead of hinder it.
Personally, I'm offended more by the fact that negativity slows down development, then that someone said something that hurts my feelings. Positive, well written posts = Better, faster development.
Let's face it, there are a lot of people in this world who, when put behind the anonymous barrier of a computer screen, lose their minds and do nothing but slow everyone down. Those people suck, but you have to find a way to deal with them.
Most other times, its just a normal person who writes something in an ambiguous way, and another person is overly sensitive when reading. Unfortunately, in android land, it seems like we attract a higher percentage of the uncouth, immature crowd who run their mouth without stopping to think about how the other person might feel. Often times, these people are also the overly sensitive ones (but not always).
So while your point is true, it really didn't apply to what I was saying. I hope this post clears that up, and also encourages a healthy attitude towards communication between developers and users.

Our forums are just full of whiney bossy people. I suggest when someone tries to correct your "error"... dont respond (unless the error is device related of course) bc when the op gets defensive in any way the other posters feel they need to defend themselves. End result.... threads like this. It is quite obviously through any persons daily routine, some people we encounter cant/dont/wont follow instruction.
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Awesome.
Not only was the question in the wrong section (and still is...), it will now get closed by a mod once one of them gets off their ass.

And one more person who needs to add thei 2 cents. This thread should have been trashed a log time ago.

clap clap clap clap (awesome content people). ataranine (good trolling).
But anywho, @OP you might find it easier to grab a twframework-res.apk that has been edited the way you want and change images if need be. Because if you find the edit that needs to be done you will still need to contend with the position and size of the other elements of the quickpanel. i.e. Once text is gone the background image for the buttons will still be drawn to the same size as if text were there and if you do edit the way that image is drawn then the padding of all other elements will need to be edited. So the lazy way will prevail on this one. Kang it.
good day.

☞ ☆.☆.☆ OPERATION:IRON FIST, XDA & You!

As was announced last week, Operation:Iron Fist is in full effect. Read about it here.
With that being said, the following will begin to happen:
1. All non-development threads started in the Development section will be moved to the appropriate section and/or closed and the "responsible" poster (in quotes because the fact they posted in the wrong section clearly brings into question whether or not they are responsible) will be infracted.
2. Any abusive posts directed at any user will be deleted and the abuser will be infracted and/or given a temporary vacation. Multiple instances will result in a longer leave-of-absence, and if it continues you will be removed from XDA. You, and your behavior, are not welcome at XDA.
3. Any off-topic posts in the Development section threads will be deleted. These are non-helpful, and certainly not development posts. This includes the following:
"OMG THIS IS SO GREAT!"
"WOW! YOU ROCK AND I WANT TO HAVE YOUR BABIES!"
"THIS IS THE BEST THING EVER!"
"THANKS FOR THIS!"
If you want to thank someone for their work, do so by clicking the "THANKS" button on their post.
4. Any post, in any section, that is done to further post count will be deleted and you will face possible infraction.
5. Anything else that goes against the XDA Forum Rules and XDA Mantra will be dealt with firmly, but fairly.

masterfred said:
Omg this is so great!
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This is a perfect example of the type of boneheaded comment that does nothing but clutter the thread. LET THIS BE A LESSON TO YOU ALL!
thebadfrog said:
I think someone just got the "Iron Fist"
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Why thank you evil amphibian. But slightly off-topic........ You can hit thanks instead.
Chezbel said:
How about posts that say "#199 is up"? I'm pretty sure people that are seriously involved in a dev thread know how to monitor nightly builds...
Sent from my abucus
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Another great example. Something that shouldn't need to be posted, especially since the OP should have posted a link to where to monitor new releases. Unless you're trying to count with the abacus - then that makes sense. People might want to know how high you can count.
blader3759 said:
Omg thank you i wanna have your baby
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Hmm - going to decline - but I can think of a few other users who might oblige you.
blader3759 said:
Oh settle down cry baby!
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This is a perfect example of a post that would get you an infraction in any thread. XDA will not tolerate this behavior. Now knowing that this user that has been with XDA for 3 years is only seeking to provide an example of what NOT to do, it may be duly noted that this would earn a nice 5 point infraction or even a nice vacation from XDA.

I think someone just got the "Iron Fist"

This thread isn't a Development thread, it should be moved to General.
Nah, seriously now - this was needed a long time ago! Hopefully it's kept to.

This is not a complaint, but asking for clarification. i would like to ask a few questions..I read your iron fist policy and this post is not in any violation.
I read the comments on roms to see if I would like to download a rom. And if I see a positive comment then I might consider downloading it. If i get the policy of iron fist correctly, a post such as
Thanks, smooth and fast. Keep up good work.
The above little post is grounds for disiplinary actions? It tells me somebody else thought it was favored, smooth and quick. A thank you does not tell tell us the reader, how in the heck a rom operates. I will then go into a thread, and see only stuff that does not work, since any positive feedback does not represent development issues but bug posting represents development issues. How in the heck do we then tell the developer our views without getting in trouble. I understand the main issue of cracking down on trolls and flames, but in all honesty, iron fist should be called iron wall becuase we now have censorship on on a so called open forum. If i where to say to xyz developer anything positive to give him kudos and some words of encouragement which is just as valuable as anything else, we are not allowed. Since being positive and giving support to a developer does not matter in a personal and friendly way, when only a thank you button. These developers need positive feedback also..

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This is not a complaint, but asking for clarification. i would like to ask a few questions..I read your iron fist policy and this post is not in any violation.
I read the comments on roms to see if I would like to download a rom. And if I see a positive comment then I might consider downloading it. If i get the policy of iron fist correctly, a post such as
Thanks, smooth and fast. Keep up good work.
The above little post is grounds for disiplinary actions? It tells me somebody else thought it was favored, smooth and quick. A thank you does not tell tell us the reader, how in the heck a rom operates. I will then go into a thread, and see only stuff that does not work, since any positive feedback does not represent development issues but bug posting represents development issues. How in the heck do we then tell the developer our views without getting in trouble. I understand the main issue of cracking down on trolls and flames, but in all honesty, iron fist should be called iron wall becuase we now have censorship on on a so called open forum. If i where to say to xyz developer anything positive to give him kudos and some words of encouragement which is just as valuable as anything else, we are not allowed. Since being positive and giving support to a developer does not matter in a personal and friendly way, when only a thank you button. These developers need positive feedback also..
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This is not an open forum. Trying to keep the development threads clear of pointless posts is not censorship. Post in general if you want to post "OMG.....I want to marry you". The devs themselves are the ones who want the development threads kept cleaned up. They don't want to sift through 10 pages of posts telling them what a god they are to find the 1 post post that tells them that "X" doesnt seem to work when doing "Y". Most of the ASUS devs are on Freenode IRC (#asus-transformer) everyday. Jump on and tell them in person as long as they aren't actually helping someone. Most say "Thanks" and tell you to hit the "Thanks" on their thread. They don't say "Please post another 'I wanna have your baby' post in my thread"
When a thread reaches 1000 posts and 900 of them are "Thanks to you I can solve world hunger now", no dev is gonna wanna waste his time trying to find the bugs people find. The devs time is better used deving and not digging.
This is xdadevelopers not xdacustomerservice or xdaiwannahaveyourbaby. The developers run the show and make our devices so much more fun to use. So let them dev

Both sides have a valid point. There must be a way to satisfy both needs. Perhaps the design of the "general forum" needs to be updated to adapt to the changing needs of the online community. Remember, both sides have the same goal.

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This thread isn't a Development thread, it should be moved to General.
Nah, seriously now - this was needed a long time ago! Hopefully it's kept to.
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You are correct - it was my mistake, as I replied to the wrong post.
See, the moderators are not above admitting our mistakes - you just don't see it very often!

life64x said:
This is not a complaint, but asking for clarification. i would like to ask a few questions..I read your iron fist policy and this post is not in any violation.
I read the comments on roms to see if I would like to download a rom. And if I see a positive comment then I might consider downloading it. If i get the policy of iron fist correctly, a post such as
Thanks, smooth and fast. Keep up good work.
The above little post is grounds for disiplinary actions? It tells me somebody else thought it was favored, smooth and quick. A thank you does not tell tell us the reader, how in the heck a rom operates. I will then go into a thread, and see only stuff that does not work, since any positive feedback does not represent development issues but bug posting represents development issues. How in the heck do we then tell the developer our views without getting in trouble. I understand the main issue of cracking down on trolls and flames, but in all honesty, iron fist should be called iron wall becuase we now have censorship on on a so called open forum. If i where to say to xyz developer anything positive to give him kudos and some words of encouragement which is just as valuable as anything else, we are not allowed. Since being positive and giving support to a developer does not matter in a personal and friendly way, when only a thank you button. These developers need positive feedback also..
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Here's where you miss the point. See below to clear this up:
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XDA is a developers site
XDA is a free forum you are ALLOWED to use. We could make it invite only
XDA is and always will be about the developers. And before you say without the users there would be no XDA, Bull****, who do you think used the stuff before normal people even knew what a smartphone was......wait for it.........other developers. People that could give good feedback with relavent info. Not just "dahhh this is broken, please fix".
XDA is not a place to come and make your phone cool.
XDA is not the cool place for idiots to hang out.
XDA is not your friends house
XDA is not a democracy
XDA is not a place to make Money.
XDA IS a place to come to learn and share your knowledge. If you are not here for those reasons then you are here for the wrong ones.
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Brush up on the XDA Mantra and understand what XDA is about.
In the Development threads, post only what is relevant to development - and "HEY! I flashed XYZ and it works great! You're the best!" is NOT relevant for discussion. End of story.
Hitting THANKS "should" be an indicator to someone that the development project in question is like. But, even so - this isn't really for the users. The developers post their work to share, but do so for themselves not you. Anything you do is at your own risk.

u170who said:
Both sides have a valid point. There must be a way to satisfy both needs. Perhaps the design of the "general forum" needs to be updated to adapt to the changing needs of the online community. Remember, both sides have the same goal.
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XDA is about developers (READ: XDA-DEVELOPERS) not users. We exist to facilitate development - not support. So the rules in place are for Development.
Read the XDA Mantra and this post above

you can see how many users pressed thanks, so if a post has 50 thanks that's way better than sifting through 50 OMGs
Sent from my abucus

You make your point...I had to ask, a part of me was dying to know..

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You make your point...I had to ask, a part of me was dying to know..
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And thank you for asking. Now you no longer need to be dying.

Thank you for this. Will this also apply to people who ask the same questions that have already been answered in the thread?
Possibly the most annoying thing is perusing through pages of threads to see the same question asked and repeatedly answered. The one that comes to mind currently is the screen dim on the options window and the circle pointer. It seems like those questions get asked and answered on nearly every page of the Prime 1.7 thread.

phree1 said:
Thank you for this. Will this also apply to people who ask the same questions that have already been answered in the thread?
Possibly the most annoying thing is perusing through pages of threads to see the same question asked and repeatedly answered. The one that comes to mind currently is the screen dim on the options window and the circle pointer. It seems like those questions get asked and answered on nearly every page of the Prime 1.7 thread.
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This does apply - though it is harder to enforce meaning the community needs to assist the moderators in addressing these issues. You can report these posts and we can address them as they come in. We are also working on fixing our RP system.

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We are also working on fixing our RP system.
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Making it easier to report posts, you mean? That would definitely be a good improvement; I went to report a post using abusive language a few days back, and ended up not doing because I didn't have time at that moment to jump through hoops with finding out who to contact, then typing a message to them. I doubt I'm alone in skipping doing so.
If reporting a post was as easy as leaving thanks, I bet a lot more folks would be helping the mods. In fact, a two-click system might be nice. Slightly more complicated than the thanks button, but it would also help the mods prioritize which reports to check. The site visitor could click report, then click the type of issue they're reporting (abusive language, off-topic, post in wrong section, requesting warez, whatever). Then the mod's queue of posts to check sorts the most severe infractions (asking for warez, foul language, etc.) above lesser ones (off-topic, posting in wrong section, etc.)
Something else that might be helpful to mods would be for the system to automatically track how many reports any given member has made, and what percentage have been incorrectly reported. Members with a lot of false positives could sort to the bottom of the mod's queue, and members who reliably report bad posts could filter to the top for prompt action... Something like that might also be helpful when XDA was looking for new mods to help with the site -- the folks who did the most positive reporting might prove to be good candidates for new moderators.

It may be a stupid idea - but could you give thread creators moderation privileges in their own threads, even if it is only in development?

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It may be a stupid idea - but could you give thread creators moderation privileges in their own threads, even if it is only in development?
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Not something that can happen. Recognized Developers can open/close their own threads - but moderation pieces of deleting posts, etc. just can't happen. But thanks for the thought and idea.

How about the developer create a thread in Development section and called it "ABC - Bug Report" and another thread in General called "ABC - Discussion".

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How about the developer create a thread in Development section and called it "ABC - Bug Report" and another thread in General called "ABC - Discussion".
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The way to handle this, and what I am working on implementing but takes awhile, is to have the Developer post a thread in Q&A for that dev work and then all bugs, etc. are in the actual development thread.

AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II Forums will be changed up soon

Over the past month, Divine_Madcat and myself have seen a steady increase of new users join our forums. While this is a good thing, they all seem to suffer from the same thing... they cant read.
D_M and myself are constantly tending to reported posts (thank you BTW for those of you that do report posts to grab our attention to something that needs attending to) and threads. We seem to accumulate a lot of new threads which are basically questions like "How do I root my phone" or "I flashed 4.0.3 and now I cant make phone calls" or "How do I flash back to Stock?" which could have all been answers if two minutes were taken to look at the sticky threads...
We are in the process of trying to remedy this and have a few ideas up our sleeves. When more develops on this, we will let all of you know.
Speaking of Sticky threads, those are about to get a facelift too. Instead of having a huge plethora of sticky threads, we only need a few. Expect some new sticky threads to go up that encompasses the same information that is already there... it will now just be easier to see, refer to and be in one place.

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Speaking of Sticky threads, those are about to get a facelift too. Instead of having a huge plethora of sticky threads, we only need a few. Expect some new sticky threads to go up that encompasses the same information that is already there... it will now just be easier to see, refer to and be in one place.
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Good to hear, I always thought we had way too many stickies that just confuses people.

I think there should be a test to verify that you can read and use the search function before you are allowed to post. And a probationary period where if a mod catches you asking a stupid question, you get sent back to the tutorial.
Though to be accurate, like my old sergeant used to say, "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people who ask questions".

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Though to be accurate, like my old sergeant used to say, "There are no stupid questions, only stupid people who ask questions".
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LOL....i love this.
we have a quote on our wall at the office:
'You can't fix stupid'

It would be great if new users couldn't post for a month. They would then be forced to search for the answers they need.

As I said, we have a few options we are throwing around... determining on which ones are actually possible and can be done on XDA is still being planned out. However, something should come out of it that will help with this issue.

Yeah, the idiots that CAN'T EVEN READ THE DAMN STICKIES and then whine about why they were attacked for NOT READING THE DAMN STICKIES are frustrating.
There is, across the Internet, at least one piece of forum etiquette that is almost universal:
READ ALL STICKY THREADS BEFORE POSTING. Why can't users learn this?

Entropy512 said:
There is, across the Internet, at least one piece of forum etiquette that is almost universal:
READ ALL STICKY THREADS BEFORE POSTING. Why can't users learn this?
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We're going to try and beat that into Users who have 10 posts or less on one way or another.

Entropy512 said:
Yeah, the idiots that CAN'T EVEN READ THE DAMN STICKIES and then whine about why they were attacked for NOT READING THE DAMN STICKIES are frustrating.
There is, across the Internet, at least one piece of forum etiquette that is almost universal:
READ ALL STICKY THREADS BEFORE POSTING. Why can't users learn this?
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stop being mean and just give me a link that tells me the answer i am looking for....psha

First offense, they get rickrolled.... 2nd offense, 2 girls/1 cup.... 3rd offense, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!

Don't change a thing. I need this place to counteract my chronic low blood pressure.

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First offense, they get rickrolled.... 2nd offense, 2 girls/1 cup.... 3rd offense, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
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I think we need to be aggressive - 2g1c on first offense.

Entropy512 said:
I think we need to be aggressive - 2g1c on first offense.
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+1 No mercy!!

Entropy512 said:
I think we need to be aggressive - 2g1c on first offense.
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I demand retribution for commonly asked questions. I say when someone asks for something that's searchable, give them a CWM flashable zip that changes all of their app's icons to 100% transparent and removes the app names under the icon. That'll show 'em!

I like to suggest making the stickies stand out more. Right now the only difference is the little pushpin, which I admit I miss sometimes myself. Yes they are at the top, but it always looks likes there's a ton of them.
Some grouping box around them that says "STICKIES!! - READ THESE BEFORE POSTING ANYTHING!"
Highlight them a different color or something even.
Granted, that probably requires forum coding, which I don't know if mods can do (not skill, just accessibility).
Just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

This is no different than the sign on a storefront that says "please use other door"... about half of the people will invariably try to walk in the locked / faulty door anyway.
I've seen this same thing on literally every forum I've ever been a part of so I for one look forward to seeing what the "powers that be" come up with to eliminate or at least minimize stupidity and redundancy once and for all.

SmittyRN said:
First offense, they get rickrolled.... 2nd offense, 2 girls/1 cup.... 3rd offense, OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
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after the second offense...there would be no third...

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after the second offense...there would be no third...
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I'm probably the only person in my gang that has never actually seen the vid. Everyone tried to get my to watch it, told me how gross it was, and I was like "why the frack would I want to watch it then?". To me, it's kinda like, "I think this milk is spoiled, taste this". Uhm, no thank you, I'll take your word for it.

A few things to consider -for a tough problem -
Moderators spend more time enforcing accurate post subjects. "Help Me" "I have a question" etc.
Close the stickies when they become redundant, off topic, or terminally "thanks", "that worked" etc.
A newcomer's forum. Those who want to help bring up the novices can check into this forum along with the newcomers helping each other out. Moderators can move posts that should be in this forum from forums where they don't belong. This could the "one month quarantine" forum for new registrants. Moderators could move posts to appropriate forums if the feel topic has wider appeal
A user moderation system like slashdot. slashdot isn't a question forum, but the user moderation system could be used for browsing over unwelcome posts tagged as newcomer, duplicate, etc
A forum that welcomes everyone and belittling of anyone for any reason isn't tolerated: hometheatershack. You will see newcomer questions handled only by those who really want to help; some members gently encourage newcomers to be more resourceful. The forum rules strongly encourage everyone to search around first. You will see the grizzled titan patiently answering the dumbass questions for the umpteeth time. Others obviously pass over them silently.
A middle ground like diyaudio, a forum populated by the world leaders in audio electronics. There is the occasional frustration at the newcomer but most just pass over or pitch in and keep teaching.
It is a tough issue. Just a few ideas from a long time forum user and newcomer to phone hacking. I've learned a lot from xda. Thanks!

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I must admit I am guilty of this. The problem I have is while using the xda premium app , the search tool doesn't seem to let me search a specific forum , it searches all of xda. It is quite possible i am missing something but maybe this is something that can be changed in the app. Entorpy thanks for all your DD work, GTG thank you for unnammed , red and m.c. ty for being decent and understanding mods , and of course miami thanks for the criticism.

Where are the rest of the forum rules?

With no disrespect to the moderators, I am seriously asking where I can find the forum rules that disallow discussion of what users here think is the "best" ROM and other subjects that aren't supposed to be discussed in the XDA forums, or more specifically in the Evo 3D section of those forums.
Primarily what I am looking for is the criteria used by the mods to delete posts or close threads, if it's not already included in the Forum & Marketplace Rules thread at the top of each forum. Those appear to be XDA wide policies but there are additional and more specific policies that seem to be applied by the mods for the Evo 3D section, and I'd really like to be able to find them documented somewhere, not only so I can understand them better, but also so I can point users that might not be aware of them to the proper documentation.
Thanks in advance.
ramjet73

I was suprised and unaware as well and would like to know what the criteria is and can be found also so that we don't get hit with infractions or ban.

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With no disrespect to the moderators, I am seriously asking where I can find the forum rules that disallow discussion of what users here think is the "best" ROM and other subjects that aren't supposed to be discussed in the XDA forums, or more specifically in the Evo 3D section of those forums.
Primarily what I am looking for is the criteria used by the mods to delete posts or close threads, if it's not already included in the Forum & Marketplace Rules thread at the top of each forum. Those appear to be XDA wide policies but there are additional and more specific policies that seem to be applied by the mods for the Evo 3D section, and I'd really like to be able to find them documented somewhere, not only so I can understand them better, but also so I can point users that might not be aware of them to the proper documentation.
Thanks in advance.
ramjet73
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Did some searching and found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31116562&postcount=18
Summary: They cause problems because everyone disagrees over what's best

Well thank you rob. That does explain why papa locked up the threads. It's a bummer though. It's for the best not to get into any conflicts or flame wars with users or devs alike.

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I was suprised and unaware as well and would like to know what the criteria is and can be found also so that we don't get hit with infractions or ban.
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Me too. I just searched for threads in this forum with "best rom" in the title and there were 76 hits just in Q&A, most of which are still open.
A lot of people are still confused about the kernel that can't be discussed on XDA. My understanding is that XDA management considers it "warez" and regardless of how we feel about that personally it is excluded by the policy at the top of each forum. But I can't find anything that documents that for new users who ask about it, which is why I asked for clarification of policy in the OP of this thread. I really don't want to have to tell other users that it's warez because that's XDA's call, not mine.
ramjet73

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Did some searching and found this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31116562&postcount=18
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That looks the like the opinion of one moderator, which others may share, rather than anything that can be referenced as policy. I've participated in a number of threads discussing the pros and cons of various ROM's and they are usually quite civil.
However, if the mods agree those threads aren't acceptable, IMO that should be documented as policy and the many existing threads on that topic should all be closed or deleted so users don't get confused.
ramjet73

Last time I check we live a free society, I believe in freedom of speech is on the list in a democracy, we do understand rules should be followed, but you must also understand that we are here to improve our android experience and our phones, I also believe it is wrong that you allow ungoing issues with bootloops and crashes that are out of control in the gsm development threads to continue, we are trying to help our fellow evo user to have the best possible experience as possible, are crashes and bootloops part of that experience? Who's in the wrong? By denying us the ability to help others is wrong and ineffect that is what you have done
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)

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Last time I check we live a free society, I believe in freedom of speech is on the list in a democracy, we do understand rules should be followed, but you must also understand that we are here to improve our android experience and our phones, I also believe it is wrong that you allow ungoing issues with bootloops and crashes that are out of control in the gsm development threads to continue, we are trying to help our fellow evo user to have the best possible experience as possible, are crashes and bootloops part of that experience? Who's in the wrong? By denying us the ability to help others is wrong and ineffect that is what you have done
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
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Not to be a jerk but freedom of speech doesnt really apply here. However it does suck that they prevent people from getting the help they need, especially on a forum meant for that purpose

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Not to be a jerk but freedom of speech doesnt really apply here. However it does suck that they prevent people from getting the help they need, especially on a forum meant for that purpose
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XDA is not a democracy, so knowing the rules is important, but it's hard to know them if they are not documented. That's all I'm asking.
Not all of us are going to agree with the policies, but once they are communicated it is our responsibility to respect them or go elsewhere to get support for our phones.
I think it would help if the moderators would link or quote the policies they are enforcing when they close threads.
ramjet73

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XDA is not a democracy, so knowing the rules is important, but it's hard to know them if they are not documented. That's all I'm asking.
Not all of us are going to agree with the policies, but once they are communicated it is our responsibility to respect them or go elsewhere to get support for our phones.
I think it would help if the moderators would link the policies they are enforcing when they close threads.
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I agree. They should post a sticky or something because users shouldnt have to search for other threads, some that are open and some that closed, to guess the rule, or find out when the thread gets closed.
I just get touchy about when people claim freedom of speech all the time

We who have grown up in a free society take freedom of speech for granted, but I will or don't want to get into a politcal debate, just want an answer to ramjets post.
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)

I do hold the same beliefs as flash and do respect the rules and policies like ram does. Its true that there are some things I don't agree with and my intentions were purely to help people the best I can like the rest of us in this post and the many users out there. I was unaware of the reason why that kernel was not allowed for discussion. I did notice that a flood of gsm users were having the same issues with crashes and bootloops. It's crazy and its our job to help them. Are we really wrong for trying?

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I do hold the same beliefs as flash and do respect the rules and policies like ram does. Its true that there are some things I don't agree with and my intentions were purely to help people the best I can like the rest of us in this post and the many users out there. I was unaware of the reason why that kernel was not allowed for discussion. I did notice that a flood of gsm users were having the same issues with crashes and bootloops. It's crazy and its our job to help them. Are we really wrong for trying?
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No we are not wrong for trying to help . There is a big difference between helping a fellow android user and flaming , I have a dilema, do I help a fellow user by suggesting they try a different kernel or rom, which will cure they're issues or do I sit back and let them drown, in xda eyes, let them drown, Makes no sense. All you have to do is go into the gsm development threads and even a visually impaired person can figure out why everyone is having bootloops and crashes, is that fair?
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)

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We who have grown up in a free society take freedom of speech for granted, but I will or don't want to get into a politcal debate, just want an answer to ramjets post.
( Don't ask me for help, as I couldn't care if your phone explodes, eh!!!)
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Freedom to type is not on the list lol.......I think we will be able to discuss anything if xda starts a voice chat service.

Instead of a weekly "what's the best Rom thread" that can cause arguing, maybe a single "what Rom are you running and why" thread. Sort of like the Jelly Bean discussion thread. Just a thought.
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Now that's a good idea Coal. :good:

coal686 said:
Instead of a weekly "what's the best Rom thread" that can cause arguing, maybe a single "what Rom are you running and why" thread. Sort of like the Jelly Bean discussion thread. Just a thought.
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Now that's a good idea Coal. :good:
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I agree.
That doesn't address the larger issue of transparency and consistency in how posts and threads are handled in the Evo 3D forums, but at least it would give users a chance to get opinions about various ROM's.
ramjet73

Yeah I kinda tripped out on this as well I haven't been on for about a year mostly just being a "lurker" but in the OG Forum and I never seen it till I came here

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I agree.
That doesn't address the larger issue of transparency and consistency in how posts and threads are handled in the Evo 3D forums, but at least it would give users a chance to get opinions about various ROM's.
ramjet73
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The policy should be really simple. Discuss whatever (relevant to the 3d and android), but don't act like a jerk. I've noticed that these forums are relatively cordial now for the most part, minus the occasional flare up of stupidity.
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It looks like none of the mods are willing to address my question in the OP but another perfectly civil thread asking about ROM's was just closed with the advice to try them all instead of asking others for their experiences.
If all the mods feel the same way about the threads that were closed as the one that closed them I'm really disappointed. I was hoping someone might give him a different perspective on the value of those threads.
ramjet73

A word to all xda members

I remember a time when people were helpful on XDA. They would share knowledge, help others who know less. Unfortunately, those days are long gone.
I have referred many friends and acquaintances to XDA Developers, telling them there are many very experienced guys - and girls - who are happy to help you... It gives many of them the experience they need.
But a number of these people would tell me that the people on XDA are, basically, jerks! Rather than complain along with others, I hope to get through to at least one of you.
XDA began as a site where anyone with a specific handheld device could ask any question in order to get help...with any problem they would encounter. It grew and added other devices. Now XDA has become the most reputable go-to site for help with any kind of phone. If anyone knows anything about phones they know XDA Developers.
Guys, this should not be a place to show-off, or to be rude or intimidating. Often, there are people with questions, or need help, advice...and they don't know anything. These are the people who need help the most. Your help. Please treat people the way YOU would want to be treated when YOU did not know anything at all. That is all I ask.
Thank you.

If you ask nicely, in the right place, you'll get an answer.
The problem is when people come demanding this or that, being rude and asking questions in the wrong places.
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my expirience is i been in 2 phone sections the skyrocket galaxy s2 and the lg g2.
in the s2 there were very helpful but when i came here i notice the same thing rather then getting help you get unnecessary post or answers.. or making fun of you or beign smartasses.. ive had a few arguments with some guys in here so they know who they are
the way i think is teach someone that someone will teach another, we are all different some will get it, and to some will be more difficult. instead ofa bogus post why not share link or type a helpful post.. then if you aint helping why post at all just ignore and go on with life..

CiscoKydd said:
I remember a time when people were helpful on XDA. They would share knowledge, help others who know less. Unfortunately, those days are long gone.
I have referred many friends and acquaintances to XDA Developers, telling them there are many very experienced guys - and girls - who are happy to help you... It gives many of them the experience they need.
But a number of these people would tell me that the people on XDA are, basically, jerks! Rather than complain along with others, I hope to get through to at least one of you.
XDA began as a site where anyone with a specific handheld device could ask any question in order to get help...with any problem they would encounter. It grew and added other devices. Now XDA has become the most reputable go-to site for help with any kind of phone. If anyone knows anything about phones they know XDA Developers.
Guys, this should not be a place to show-off, or to be rude or intimidating. Often, there are people with questions, or need help, advice...and they don't know anything. These are the people who need help the most. Your help. Please treat people the way YOU would want to be treated when YOU did not know anything at all. That is all I ask.
Thank you.
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As a moderator and very active member of this community I see a lot. There are threads that I participate in as a member and those are the most friendly, helpful threads. I am actually shocked at the helpfulness and politeness in spite of the fact that people asking the questions failed to read as close as 2 posts above which had their answer. More and more members have joined this community and do not want to read even the basic requirement of the OP of the thread before they attempt to modify their $600 device. Too many members want an answer NAO without having to go to the trouble of reading or searching a little. The very first rule asks all members who join to search first. When I joined in 2010, I read for a month before making my first post. XDA was not a help desk then. It was a place to share knowledge. This is two very different things. People who genuinely want help, how to theme, how to change something, how to know how to adjust a kernel and figure out the best setting for themselves...those people usually get the help they need. But people that refuse to read, expecting the members of the thread to do it for them...then ask a question in a development thread like "Do I need root for this?" Then proceed to ask to be spoon fed how to do it? This probably will annoy some members that have done a little reading. So yes, the site has changed...you can expect that with going from a million members in 2010 to 7 million now. And on the other hand we do have rules regarding member conduct as well, and members should respect the new members and guide them..make this the site they want it to be and once was. I understand what you are saying but I also see many sides of this. I see new members being rude, demanding answers, expecting someone to answer within an hour of their question, as well as the other side of someone rudely stating "Search!". So it is not just one sided. Unfortunately I see this as a sign of what society in general is becoming as we overpopulate this poor ball of dirt hurtling through space.

Thank you, KennyG123. I cannot disagree with anything you stated. In fact, it reminds me that I forgot to mention to new members that they be polite, also. I cannot help but to agree with you 100%. We all need a little reminder sometimes. So I hope that someone...anyone reads this and think about how they treat others. I need it, too!
Again, Thank you, KennyG123.

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Enjoyed this thoroughly.
Been on since my little Frodo Sony Xperia mini x10i (what a name) and right here are the two sides of coin.
When I came on I knew nothing - and asked some dumb questions, and did the searches etc.
Many of those searches came back with stuff I could not understand. And some of the people reproducing this info were jerks - concerned only with obfuscation and an invitation to pm.
However, people were not rude, so eventually you find someone same level or a little higher and you're off.
Then suddenly the nicest thing happens - someone asks for help...and you CAN help. You recognise yourself and step in and it's good - EVEN IF just to remind them that the answer is on the page before, and sometimes searching first will help. And this without the eye-rolling condescension...you all know what I mean.
I too have referred people here, impressed with my 'knowledge', and I'm like, no, look, it's this great community of people......and then have them come back all discouraged and they may as well just stick to whatever the corporations foist on them.
Then on the other hand, a couple of years ago I noticed a proliferating of the other kind of jerk - you know them also.
Badgering the creator of a post for eta's with funny emoticons, I just cant wait, are we there yet, huh, are we there yet, and by the way do you think we'll be getting Smartie for our phones, and over on the 'other' device, they've got the code to overlay on Marshmallow to port to Smartie, their phones are so much better, and more whining, and maybe YOU can do the port, and are we there yet, I'll check back in an hour, and oh ya, how do I root yadiyada - there's a stickie, first post by the way.
That also is plain rude. There's a community, find out a little about it first, or read the phone manual at least.
For both instances I find one thing; real XDAers do not snap at people, don't jeez I wish you'd read something first, aren't put off by being referred to search either, won't make anyone feel like they're time here has been wasted, nor that anyone else is dumb, they've all been there.
These are the fakers, and posers, and always, ALWAYS, at the centre of some flame war.
Of course sometimes you want to voice your opinion on something and read others too so over-moderation kills the fun. There can be discretion, and it is clear when a discussion has gone from heated to just plain chest thumping - step away.
So, you know, use common sense.
Finally, just one more thing, I learnt good moderators are actually very helpful...For anything.
Pm something. They'll point you somewhere, guaranteed. Let them know if you feel like you're being bullied WITH A LINK to where this is happening and they'll show up and clean up the thread and keep safe. Though look, if YOU are the one stirring stuff up and then reporting, that too will be seen, and in my experience, that's looked at as a worse offence than just not searching first, so be sure.
Something HAS happened to the entire world of social internet that I find reprehensible. People have become rude simply because it makes them feel better to put someone else down in style.
I don't know when it happened exactly - and it's everywhere, Reddit, Facebook, wherever.
At XDA we can at least keep reminding people to just have a good time and don't be rude. Do whatever you like; research and grow or ask stupid questions, just don't be rude. We care about everyone on here.
We actually do.
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CiscoKydd your thoughts are echoed by many on XDA. Heck we mods have the same thoughts from time to time.
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CiscoKydd said:
XDA began as a site where anyone with a specific handheld device could ask any question in order to get help...with any problem they would encounter.
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actually wasn't the guise under which XDA was created. It was a site by developers for developers. There were many times when a Dev would tell people to F off but by in large (as it is today) many were willing to share their knowledge.
CiscoKydd said:
Guys, this should not be a place to show-off, or to be rude or intimidating.
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We simply call this group the entitled.. Ask them, they will tell you it is so:silly:
A big change implemented a few years ago on XDA, came about with this small group in mind. We call it the report system (explained here):good:
While we like to see this behemoth (XDA) run like a well oiled machine, there will always be a wrench thrown into the cog. We (moderators/admin of XDA) ask that you NOT let yourselves get dragged into the battle of wills. A simple report with a simple explanation (in said report) usually lets us deal with a situation with little, to no drama left behind in its wake.
CiscoKydd said:
Please treat people the way YOU would want to be treated when YOU did not know anything at all. That is all I ask.
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Cheers to that mate:good:
As membership continues to grow we can only hope that the few that read this remember why we are all here, to share and help others with what you know.

I have been "crying" to XDA for a number of years for help. I always got the help I needed. Most important, I got an education. There is more knowledge here on XDA than I could ever absorb! The hardest part was learning to search. But once I got over that hump I felt... Powerful!!
And I need to remind myself to be understanding, patient, respectful. You guys are right. It ain't easy sometimes. But XDA is a learning experience.
You guys are a good and knowledgeable bunch. Thanks. For everything.

I honestly feel this dependence on the question. I usually just look at topics rather then post in them, and I can see some people ask a certian question that other people regret as nubish, so suddenly they have "Nub mode" on. I just want them to remember that they, once upon a time were these so called noobs too.
Obviously this is not true about the majority of the people, just some.

Move this thread to "android general" or something, its useless to have it here

A short and good note mate ! but why here ?

Thanks for bringing this up.
Eminemiero said:
Move this thread to "android general" or something, its useless to have it here
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rajkatiyar07 said:
A short and good note mate ! but why here ?
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I assume the OP has a G2 and felt he would like to post his opinion on the subject in his general section.
This is fine:good:

TonyStark said:
Thanks for bringing this up.
I assume the OP has a G2 and felt he would like to post his opinion on the subject in his general section.
This is fine:good:
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No problem Mr. Stark !
Regards :- Jarvis

I don't know why but I really miss 2010 to 2012 gingerbread days
OP is right. I think this situation becomes because of release xda themes after 2010 version. I'am using 2010 theme and I think after 2010 themes are very compilcated and makes users nerveous and this is the reason why anyone not want to be help each other.

George Jetson said:
I don't know why but I really miss 2010 to 2012 gingerbread days
OP is right. I think this situation becomes because of release xda themes after 2010 version. I'am using 2010 theme and I think after 2010 themes are very compilcated and makes users nerveous and this is the reason why anyone not want to be help each other.
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Thats funny, I came here in 2013 and I think that theme's the best and everything else is complicated. I miss the kitkat days.
Alradaev said:
I honestly feel this dependence on the question. I usually just look at topics rather then post in them, and I can see some people ask a certian question that other people regret as nubish, so suddenly they have "Nub mode" on. I just want them to remember that they, once upon a time were these so called noobs too.
Obviously this is not true about the majority of the people, just some.
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I can't remember ever being flamed for making a noob question. One of my first posts on this site was a silly question in a dev thread and the developer (LenAsh) just answered it respectfully. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones but my noobishness was only ever met with kindness and help.

I don't think I've experienced any rudeness when I've (albeit rarely) asked any questions since I started my Android journey in early-mid 2014. Before that I was an iOS guy, before that a Final Fantasy XI guy (MMORPG, was a moderator for a while of one of the biggest FFXI websites created by my best friend), and so on and so on. All forums that are a bit on the nerdy/technical/gadgets side have a problem with rude people. Lest we not forget the adage that the delightful guys at Penny Arcade put into a perfect cartoon: regular person + anonymity (sometimes)= bag of douche.
Having been a moderator I understand the frustration occasionally felt by @KennyG123 and @TonyStark. Why are some people such freakin jerks, yet others will type the same thing 10,000 times just to feel like they've helped 10,000 people. Why do some people read and search and learn first for a while before asking anything, yet others will ask (and almost demand) to have their hand held at every. single. step.? Maybe it's human nature?
I'm all about helping and being nice. Online and off.

people tend to ask first read later or no read at all.
they just want to post the question then go and do their own thing, come back later to see the answer.
while the thread starter wasted their own time to type the multiple posts of information/FAQ.
and last, this post should not be in this section as this is not even android related.
you post the wrong question in the wrong section and you still hope to get an answer?

I've been on the HTC wildfire, Nexus 5, Nexus 7 2013, Nexus 9 and LG G2 threads and have always found the other XDA members to be most helpful, (even though I'm not a flashaholic.)
However, I do make sure to search before asking questions and can therefore understand the frustration of answering questions that have been asked many times before. :angel:

So true but it seems out side of the G2 forums, there are still good people.
I had a good experience in the nexus 6 forums, never once got asked to "search before asking" best part of it is that I don't even have a N6 and the question I asked was actually illegal/criminal, I didn't know that at the time and those members explained in detail why it was illegal without bring disrespectful to me.
I honestly blame mods for not being strict enough.
I brought up a few specific xda members that were out right harassing people and I presented my case with evidence of repeated harassment.
The mod told me that I was over reacting. I said that by not doing anything about it they were condoning the action.
I wanted to strangle that mod, completely worthless. Police that don't enforce.
If the mods would start banning the few that are bringing xda down, then the problem would be solved.
But they won't do anything!
Mods have their work cut out for them here and I know they are doing the best they can, but it's not focused correctly to rectify the problem.
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