Since Nokia does clearly say everywhere else except the US that 920 does support 1700Mhz (for obvious reasons), I wonder if the hardware in the AT&T version will be the same as in the int'l version and it'll just be a matter of unlocking the phone to use it on TMo.
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I noticed that too!!
Its now PentaBand WCDMA/HSPA+ at 42Mbps. They added WCDMA 1700Mhz band on the specs.
Originally when the phone was announced last month was listed as QuadBand WCDMA missing the AWS band at 1700Mhz.
If this is true it means one of the following:
1.The band was always there and for some reason software locked and they decided unlock it and release it as a PendaBand.
2.They listen to the complaints (pretty much the same way they did and released the Cyan Color) as the missing AWS band was one the biggest complaints especially from T-Mobile USA subscribers and they decided to include it as well.
3.It is just a typo and Lumia 920 is still QuadBand HSPA.
4.It was a typo from the very beginning and Lumia 920 was always PentaBand.
Now assuming the the phone is PendaBand HSPA+ it will perfectly work with T-Mobile USA current 3G at AWS and with the reformed Network at 1900 they are preparing. It will work with both at 42Mbps speed.
The original unlocked Lumia 920 listed the following 5 LTE bands 800 / 1800 / 2600 / 900 / 2100.
If the unlocked phone comes with those LTE bands will be incompatible with T-Mobile USA upcoming 4G LTE network.
However the American model which AT&T will carry exclusively has the following LTE bands 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
If Nokia also release an unlock/unbranded version of the American model with the above LTE bands and PentaBand HSPA+ this model along with the 42Mbps HSPA will also support T-Mobile's upcoming 4G LTE that coming mid of next year with theoretical speeds of 100Mbps.
Releasing this device will be the perfect option for T-Mobile subscribers as it will be future-proof for their upcoming LTE network.
I am curious to see whats really going on here. Meanwhile I am crossing my fingers. :good:
So Nokia needs to release a international us version?
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So Nokia needs to release a international us version?
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Unlocked/Unbranded version of the American model is the correct way of putting it.
Nokia used to have to versions of the unlock devices in the past. The regular version which was usually the European/International model and the NAM versions for North America.
Many devices came like that in the past including the N95 & N95 NAM, 5800 & 5800 NAM, N97 & N97 NAM etc.
All had QuadBand GSM and different bands for 3G, the NAM versions had the American bands for AT&T USA and Rogers for Canada.
Now that PentaBand is standard for 3G/WCDMA, they need to release (and I hope this is the case) the European Model with the European LTE bands and a "NAM" model with the American LTE frequencies.
I guess time will tell what exactly the case is going to be.
But again this is for LTE. Assuming that the information on the spec-sheet is correct and the Lumia 920 comes with WCDMA/AWS 1700 then it will work perfectly with T-Mobile USA and AT&T's HSPA+ at 42Mpbs.
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I noticed that too!!
Its now PentaBand WCDMA/HSPA+ at 42Mbps. They added WCDMA 1700Mhz band on the specs.
Originally when the phone was announced last month was listed as QuadBand WCDMA missing the AWS band at 1700Mhz.
If this is true it means one of the following:
1.The band was always there and for some reason software locked and they decided unlock it and release it as a PendaBand.
2.They listen to the complaints (pretty much the same way they did and released the Cyan Color) as the missing AWS band was one the biggest complaints especially from T-Mobile USA subscribers and they decided to include it as well.
3.It is just a typo and Lumia 920 is still QuadBand HSPA.
4.It was a typo from the very beginning and Lumia 920 was always PentaBand.
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Unfortunatly number 3 is the correct answer.
According to WPCentral.com the AWS 1700Mhz WCDMA support for T-Mobile 3G that listed in specs are just a typo on the website.
If this is the case, you can still use the Lumia 920 under T-Mobile 3G at 1900Mhz.
T-Mobile is reforming their Network and releasing 3G to 1900Mhz now, the problem is that we do not know what markets/areas has this already or how fast the project is moving on and when it will get complete..
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Unfortunatly number 3 is the correct answer.
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That's wrong, because this phone will be using the Snapdragon S4 Plus (MSM8960) which uses Software Defined Radio (SDR) for determining their bands. Obviously you cannot use all at the same time, but any one at any time. The HW supports this (according to the Qualcomm reference design), and if it hasn't been supported before in this chipset, it's probably due poor modem programming and/or unstable behavior, and/or band/bandwidth throttling by service providers networks. It's also an efficient way to make sure your Verizon mobile cannot use AT&T networks and vice verse...
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That's wrong, because this phone will be using the Snapdragon S4 Plus (MSM8960) which uses Software Defined Radio (SDR) for determining their bands. Obviously you cannot use all at the same time, but any one at any time. The HW supports this (according to the Qualcomm reference design), and if it hasn't been supported before in this chipset, it's probably due poor modem programming and/or unstable behavior, and/or band/bandwidth throttling by service providers networks. It's also an efficient way to make sure your Verizon mobile cannot use AT&T networks and vice verse...
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That is why I said its Number 3, according to WPCentral. I am aware of the SDR in the latest generation of Snapdragons, however as its name mention its programmable, meaning they may have turn off the AWS...
For me it doesn't make any sense to list the phone originally with QuadBand WCDMA and then add AWS and list it as a PentaBand.
I mean if it is wrong and its missing the AWS that is making the original listing with QuadBand the correct one, so why they bother changing it?
In the other hand if the SDR scenario applies and the AWS is already there, they may just heard the complains and simply turned ON the AWS band, that is why they added in to the specs meanwhile the Nokia representative that WPCentral reached may not be aware of the new specs yet...
All these are different scenarios, unless we have an official clarification from Nokia, we cannot know for sure until Lumia 920 its been released.
PS. Can you post the link with the detailed specifications of the Snapdragon S4 detailing the SDR? The specs I found does not include any information regarding this. If I am not mistaken and remember correctly SDR is affecting LTE only and its able to catch from 700Mhz - 2600Mhz (for LTE), its programmable to deliver everything between these bands but limited to deliver 5 Bands at a time. I do not remember mentioning WCDMA to be compatible with the SDR, but I may be wrong on that. Please feel free to correct me if that's the case.
According to FCC documents, looks like AWS is there. Question... Will it be disabled in the AT&T version? Unlock possible?
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According to FCC documents, looks like AWS is there. Question... Will it be disabled in the AT&T version? Unlock possible?
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I read that the FCC Documents for the AT&T model are mentioning AWS (1700) for LTE. This is normal as AT&T's LTE is operating also in AWS.
I didn't read anything regarding AWS for 3G/WCDMA.
If you read back, it specifically mentions wcdma 1700. Document differentiates between lte freqs and wcdma ones.
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Doing a little research I was able to unlock my T-Mobile XDA and use a Cingular SIM.
Cingular is slated to turn on their 850mhz GSM in a matter of weeks if not days. I know that my T-Mobile uses 1900 mhz, so even with the Cingular SIM in place it is "piggy backing" on the T-Mobile towers. Even after the Cingular GSM network is online I will still be using T-Mobiles towers/network because of the 1900 mhz band constraints of my phone.
My question is this: is there currently or will there be (XDA II) an XDA that can use the 850mhz GSM band?
TIA
Ray
I noticed I knew little about this, so I figured this would be the case the case for most users outside of the Americas. I Googled around a little, the results are below.
Management summary: no, the XDA II will not support the 800-850 band. There will be a few quad-band phones, and some dual 800/1900.
http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=115 said:
GSM 850
(GSM 800)
GSM 850 is simply GSM technology operating in the Cellular (800 MHz / 850 MHz) frequency band. Both the technology and frequency band have been around for a long time, but only in 2002 were they combined.
In the U.S. prior to 2002, GSM technology only operated in the PCS (1900 MHz) frequency band.
GSM 850 addresses the needs of carriers with Cellular licenses switching from other technologies to GSM.
Before the existence of GSM 850, the Cellular band was commonly referred to as the "800 MHz" band. "850 MHz" implies a different frequency band, but this is not the case. "800 MHz" and "850 MHz" refer to the exact same frequency band. 850 is technically a more accurate description of the frequency range, but 800 is the original, and more common term.
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http://www.cellular-news.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=708 said:
By installing GSM at 800Mhz, all we're doing is reusing the same frequencies used for AMPS/TDMA and adding GSM to them. The US has always had 800Mhz for wireless services. Nothing strange about that since there have been wireless services in that band since the beginnings of cellular. The use of GSM at 800Mhz is nothing surprising and only a natural move for carriers who are licensed to use this band. There's no law saying that GSM should be confined to 1900Mhz in the US. Europe and the rest of the world have gone Dual Band on GSM (900/1800) a long time ago. Why can't the US do the same? Besides, it is not only Cingular and AT&T, the largest TDMA/GSM US operators, who are adopting GSM 800. There are many other carriers throughout the rest of the Americas, including Canada, who use the same US frequencies and are deploying GSM 800. GSM 800 will be just as necessary and as popular as TDMA/CDMA/Analog at 800Mhz. The market for GSM 800 is just as big as the TDMA 800 market since almost all TDMA operators are moving to GSM.
Dual band GSM 800/1900 phones will be the most common GSM phones in the US soon because single band 1900Mhz GSM phones will be good for T-Mobile only which is a 1900-only carrier in the US. Just think that Cingular and AT&T amass about 40 million users as opposed to T-Mobile's 10 Million. Also, quad-band GSM phones will be more common slowly but eventually. Nothing crazy about having 4 bands since the world has had 4 wireless bands for a long time, it's only that GSM had only made it to 3 of the 4 bands and now finally made it to the 4th. For starters, look at the Motorola V600 and the NEC 515 which are the first quad-band to my knowledge.
In the future, look for more bands as the wireless industry expands into 2100Mhz and 700Mhz. Finally, the US will see other types of tri-band GSM phones, such as those that will work on 800/1900 for the US and EITHER 900 OR 1800 for other regions.
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I would like to thank the Moderators and all the members for making this site and forum so fun and informative.
Doing a little research I was able to unlock my T-Mobile XDA and use a Cingular SIM.
Cingular is slated to turn on their 850mhz GSM in a matter of weeks if not days. I know that my T-Mobile uses 1900 mhz, so even with the Cingular SIM in place it is "piggy backing" on the T-Mobile towers. Even after the Cingular GSM network is online I will still be using T-Mobiles towers/network because of the 1900 mhz band constraints of my phone.
My question is this: is there currently or will there be (XDA II) an XDA that can use the 850mhz GSM band?
TIA
Ray
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This link http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/344/C2017/ may be the answer to your query and will may so happy :lol:
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LOL That PDA Phone on that link is refering to CDMA technology, NOT GSM.
Look at the fine print dude.
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LOL That PDA Phone on that link is refering to CDMA technology, NOT GSM.
Look at the fine print dude.
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Sorry I missed read the article but overall I'm only trying to help
Hey guys, I just got my new HTC hero. I'm with AT&T now and having the unlimited 3G data plan. I setup the configurations of APN settings as following:
Access point: wap.cingular
Username: [email protected]
Password: CINGULAR1
But I only see an "E" at the connection status which I believe indicates EDGE. Can anyone tell me how to get 3G work on this device?
Thanks a lot!!!
I didn't realise the hero was out in the us yet but if it is i don't know why and if it isn't out its because i don't think it surpports american 3g networks i think you can only get 2g.
Yes I got this phone out of the US.
So you mean there's no way at all to get 3G to work on this phone with AT&T or any other carriers?
In its current state the phone does not support the AT&T bands for 3g.
There are rumors of an AT&T version coming October 11th, that would support 3g.
European/Asian version of this phone does not work with US 3G. AT&T's 3G network requires the bands 850 & 1900, while T-mobile's 3G requires the bands 1700 & 2100. European/Asian version supports only the bands 900 & 2100.
Does this mean T-mobile 3G may work on this phone?
T-Mob's 3g should connect to this phone, if you could find a signal, haha.
http://www.androidauthority.com/index.php/2009/07/03/htc-hero-approved-by-the-fcc-with-att-3g/
Neither T-Mobile US nor AT&T will work with this phone for 3G. The only version of this phone that exists at the moment supports ONLY European 3G. There are rumors of the device coming to AT&T, but nothing confirmed. IF that happens, the new phones would work, but that wouldn't change the fact that the device you have will still only function on Edge.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's true.
It's actually Sprint pal. Also, there was a picture for Tmobile also (this appears to be a rumor).
T-Mob uses the 2100 spectrum so i dont see why it wouldnt work.
And a CDMA and a GSM (With AT&T 3g bands) has gone through the FCC recently.
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T-Mob uses the 2100 spectrum so i dont see why it wouldnt work.
And a CDMA and a GSM (With AT&T 3g bands) has gone through the FCC recently.
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No, it won't work with t-mobile USA's 3G network.
Yes, T-mobile in Europe use the 2100 band for 3G so the Hero works. But T-mobile USA use 1700 and 2100 bands for 3G, and you need a phone that support BOTH bands to connect to its 3G network.
Unfortunately, unless T-mobile USA decides to carry this phone (and they have already said that they wouldn't), there won't be a version of Hero that support its 3G network. This is because T-mobile USA is the only carrier in the world that uses the 1700 band for 3G. You may ask why T-mobile uses different bands for 3G in different countries. This is more of a regulatory decision than a business decision. If you are interested, go read about those FCC spectrum auctions.
All in all, European/Asian version of the Hero won't work with any 3G network in the US. The product id of the European/Asian Hero is HERO100, it supports only the bands 900 and 2100 for 3G. There will be a North American version with product id HERO130 that supports the bands 850 and 1900. It will be released either on AT&T or on the Canadian carrier Rogers, because only these two carriers use these bands for 3G. Currently it is not know whether it will be on AT&T or Rogers, but that latter is more likely IMO. Finally, there will be a CDMA version, with product id HERO200, for Sprint. This is more or less confirmed to be coming in October.
T-mobile US 3G uses 1700 for down and 2100 mhz for uplink. So 2100 alone isn't enough as you need both directions to connect.
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No, it won't work with t-mobile USA's 3G network.
Yes, T-mobile in Europe use the 2100 band for 3G so the Hero works. But T-mobile USA use 1700 and 2100 bands for 3G, and you need a phone that support BOTH bands to connect to its 3G network.
Unfortunately, unless T-mobile USA decides to carry this phone (and they have already said that they wouldn't), there won't be a version of Hero that support its 3G network. This is because T-mobile USA is the only carrier in the world that uses the 1700 band for 3G. You may ask why T-mobile uses different bands for 3G in different countries. This is more of a regulatory decision than a business decision. If you are interested, go read about those FCC spectrum auctions.
All in all, European/Asian version of the Hero won't work with any 3G network in the US. The product id of the European/Asian Hero is HERO100, it supports only the bands 900 and 2100 for 3G. There will be a North American version with product id HERO130 that supports the bands 850 and 1900. It will be released either on AT&T or on the Canadian carrier Rogers, because only these two carriers use these bands for 3G. Currently it is not know whether it will be on AT&T or Rogers, but that latter is more likely IMO. Finally, there will be a CDMA version, with product id HERO200, for Sprint. This is more or less confirmed to be coming in October.
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Thanks! That was very informative, although it totally crushed my dreams of owning a Hero while remaining on the T-Mobile network.
Title pretty much says it all. What's the real story on the the 3g frequencies? Nokia's site indicates it's quadband 3G, but yet many of the stores seem to indicate that it's tri-band for 3G. I would like to get one for use on ATT, but I definitely need 850MHz 3G since that is the predominant frequency in my area.
Anybody? What's the real answer on this?
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Anybody? What's the real answer on this?
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From http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/products/phone/lumia800/specifications/
GSM 850
GSM 900
GSM 1800
GSM 1900
WCDMA Band V (850)
WCDMA Band I (2100)
WCDMA Band II (1900)
WCDMA Band VIII (900)
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From http://www.nokia.de/de-de/produkte/smartphones-und-handys/lumia800/technische-daten/
GSM 850-Netze
GSM 900-Netze
GSM 1800-Netze
GSM 1900-Netze
UMTS-Netze (WCDMA 900)
UMTS-Netze (WCDMA 1900)
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From http://www.nokia.com/fi-fi/tuotteet/puhelimet/lumia800/tuoteseloste/
GSM 850
GSM 900
GSM 1800
GSM 1900
WCDMA Band V (850)
WCDMA Band I (2100)
WCDMA Band II (1900)
WCDMA Band VIII (900)
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From http://www.nokia.se/hitta-produkter/produkter/nokia-lumia-800/specifications
GSM/EGSM 850/900/1800/1900;
WCDMA 850/900/1900/2100 I/II/V
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WTF...
There must be an error on the German page
From Nokia Developer page:
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/Device_specifications/Lumia_800/
Frequency Bands
GSM 1800
GSM 1900
GSM 850
GSM 900
WCDMA Band I (2100)
WCDMA Band II (1900)
WCDMA Band VIII (900)
This only adds to the confusion (No WCDMA 850)?
Thanks for the responses everyone. I think they just add to the confusion on what the real answer is, or Nokia is producing multiple models with different frequencies which I've seen referenced elsewhere.
I might just hold off for the 900 or wait until CES in January where they are supposed to make their big splash for the U.S. market. The render of the Lumia 900 that hit wmpoweruser today certainly looks nice if it's true. I wouldn't mind a slightly larger screen if it doesn't make the device too large. Some of the current phones border on mini-tablet size!
I know of two types of Lumia 800's and you can differentiate them via their FCC identification.
The European edition, FCC ID: LJPRM-801:
GSM/EGSM : 850/900/1800/1900
WCDMA : 900/1900/2100
The North American edition, FCC ID: ...RM-819:
GSM/EGSM : 850/900/1800/1900
WCDMA : 850/1900/2100
I really wish Nokia would fix the data on their web pages. I ran into this a few years ago with another phone I purchased from them where it was advertised as having U.S. bands when in fact it did not. Thanks for the info everyone.
Agree 100%. When i bought my phone, the lumia was advertised as:
WCDMA: 850/900/1900/2100
Many sellers have since correctly identified which bands the phone supports, but some still falsely advertise both 850 and 900 bands being on the phone.
When my Lumia 800 arrived and I could only get Edge/G service, I did some research and I was slightly disappointed. Luckily I work and live in a Wi-Fi zone, so that is my primary data connnection.
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Agree 100%. When i bought my phone, the lumia was advertised as:
WCDMA: 850/900/1900/2100
Many sellers have since correctly identified which bands the phone supports, but some still falsely advertise both 850 and 900 bands being on the phone.
When my Lumia 800 arrived and I could only get Edge/G service, I did some research and I was slightly disappointed. Luckily I work and live in a Wi-Fi zone, so that is my primary data connnection.
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You too, huh? I was curious about Rogers. I find that 2G isn't the end of the world.. Only shortcoming are media rich sites, otherwise they still load up quickly for me.
The only thing I really would have missed on 3G is mapping and navigation, but the non-data GPS and preloaded map feature has completely eliminated that concern.
Rogers here in the 'Peg. I'm in love with it even though the primary service around my home is Edge/G. However, since I wrote that piece above, I grabbed the "Nokia Network Setup" application from the marketplace and now I can get 3G around my workplace.
Here is my situation at the moment. I'm currently in the US using At&t's network through straight talk. I purchased the Nokia Lumia 800 the UK version which is LJPRM-801. It clearly states that it supports WCDMA 900/1900/2100. Which I suppose are really meant for the UK or Europe. When I purchased the phone from the seller he clearly stated it was lock and he got it from Orange UK. Which I assume is locked as well. Surprisingly when I received the phone I inserted the Sim and it registered perfectly fine. I get voice AND data. I figured it may possibly be using the 1900 band for data. My main thoughts about this UK version is it may possibly have the 850 band included but not listed on the box for regulation concerns. How would I go about and truly testing it out if it does support 850 band?
You can't really, short of going to an area you know uses soley 850Mhz 3G, and not 1900 as well.
I dont see the reasoning behind manufacturing two different phones, My thoughts are they could have just disabled the band with a simple firmware. Has Anyone truly tested this? Any though on getting a different firmware version of the Lumia 800 on this UK version seeing if it would enable the 850 band.
Me too I purchased one from Clove.co.uk. On the box it stated 900/1900/2100 for 3G but I have 3G. Maybe I have a 1900Mhz station near my work. I will do more tests tonight.
Does an app exist to know the current band of 3G connection?
I've called Nokia while in Germany and they said that they only produced quad band Nokia lumia 800's
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I've called Nokia while in Germany and they said that they only produced quad band Nokia Lumia 800's
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When you say quad band are you referring to 2g or 3g? because we know it's quadband 2g, but whether it's quadband 3g is the question.
So I have used it on 3 different locations here in Montreal on Rogers and I always got 3G. I don't know the band used by Rogers. I found several references but not definitive answer. I have the Lumia 800 Model 801.
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When you say quad band are you referring to 2g or 3g? because we know it's quadband 2g, but whether it's quadband 3g is the question.
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Both 2g and 3G
So you have the lumia 800 which has quad band 3g? If possible could you please post a picture of the lumia 800 box listing the quad 3G bands?
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kirdroid said:
So you have the lumia 800 which has quad band 3g? If possible could you please post a picture of the lumia 800 box listing the quad 3G bands?
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I'm in Germany right now and don't have the box. I don't remember if it had the cell bands on the box. I know I got hspa on AT&T and I was happy.
So since AT&T uses bands 4 & 17 for LTE (700/1700/2100MHz) and according to the Developers edition has 700/850/1900MHz then to me that looks like the Developers edition can only access AT&Ts 700 LTE bands.
Is this correct?
Seems to be correct.. but im not a expert when it comes to network bands
Red5 said:
So since AT&T uses bands 4 & 17 for LTE (700/1700/2100MHz) and according to the Developers edition has 700/850/1900MHz then to me that looks like the Developers edition can only access AT&Ts 700 LTE bands.
Is this correct?
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The Developers Edition page shows the following: LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
This would mean it supports 700, 850, 1700, 1900 and 2100. AWS refers to Band 4, which is 1700 for uplink and 2100 for downlink. Unless something in AT&T's white sheet is missing, the Developer's edition supports two extra bands that are used in some European and Asian countries.
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The Developers Edition page shows the following: LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
This would mean it supports 700, 850, 1700, 1900 and 2100. AWS refers to Band 4, which is 1700 for uplink and 2100 for downlink. Unless something in AT&T's white sheet is missing, the Developer's edition supports two extra bands that are used in some European and Asian countries.
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Ah, that clears it up for me. Thanks.
TRF-Inferno said:
The Developers Edition page shows the following: LTE: 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz (US)
This would mean it supports 700, 850, 1700, 1900 and 2100. AWS refers to Band 4, which is 1700 for uplink and 2100 for downlink. Unless something in AT&T's white sheet is missing, the Developer's edition supports two extra bands that are used in some European and Asian countries.
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Finally someone can give me a sensible answer! :thumbup:I read from another thread that T-mobile LTE works on AWS 1700/2100 but the unlocked new one does not have the two frequencies in LTE. Apparently, that was a wrong info. I am going to move to DC and hopefully my dev. new one will work on T-mobile LTE in DC.
Be Vegan, Make Peace ＼(^o^)／
Because it's radio supports these extra bands, will there be any software incompatibility between the Dev edition and the AT&T one? I'm trying to find the proper forum for Dev edition development!
Is the Developer edition basically an AT&T One with extra bands enabled? Are the AT&T and Dev editions different model numbers? I have so many questions, but so much excitement...
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Finally someone can give me a sensible answer! :thumbup:I read from another thread that T-mobile LTE works on AWS 1700/2100 but the unlocked new one does not have the two frequencies in LTE. Apparently, that was a wrong info. I am going to move to DC and hopefully my dev. new one will work on T-mobile LTE in DC.
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T-Mobile's LTE frequency is on Band 4, so as far as using the Developers Edition on T-Mobile USA, you will certainly get LTE as long as T-Mobile has it running in the area, and default to 3G/HSPA+ since it does support PCS band (1900 MHz), albeit this coverage may suffer as the phone is missing the AWS band for UMTS.
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Because it's radio supports these extra bands, will there be any software incompatibility between the Dev edition and the AT&T one? I'm trying to find the proper forum for Dev edition development!
Is the Developer edition basically an AT&T One with extra bands enabled? Are the AT&T and Dev editions different model numbers? I have so many questions, but so much excitement...
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Their device identifier code will certainly be different, so HTC will make sure you can't run the Developer Edition's RUU for the AT&T phone. As far as custom ROM is concerned, I don't see why you can't use the same ROM as long as it's not touching any other partition other than the /system.
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T-Mobile's LTE frequency is on Band 4, so as far as using the Developers Edition on T-Mobile USA, you will certainly get LTE as long as T-Mobile has it running in the area, and default to 3G/HSPA+ since it does support PCS band (1900 MHz), albeit this coverage may suffer as the phone is missing the AWS band for UMTS.
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Yes... I hope I won't travel around next year and will stay in DC most of the time. I am currently using Straight Talk with my Droid DNA, and it has good coverage, hspa+ most of the time. But Straight Talk does not have LTE. I am so ready to feel the speed of LTE! But it seems like if I would be outside of DC, my LTE experience will drop to 2G.... Anyway, at least I have the freedom to change back to Straight Talk if I have to.
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peachlai said:
Yes... I hope I won't travel around next year and will stay in DC most of the time. I am currently using Straight Talk with my Droid DNA, and it has good coverage, hspa+ most of the time. But Straight Talk does not have LTE. I am so ready to feel the speed of LTE! But it seems like if I would be outside of DC, my LTE experience will drop to 2G.... Anyway, at least I have the freedom to change back to Straight Talk if I have to.
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I had straight talk before I went to att. The difference is mind blowing. Even on just h+ it blows straight talk out of the water 3 fold. I don't regret leaving straight talk one bit
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Hi guys,
I am on T-Mobile prepaid plan. I bought a Lumia 920 from Singapore few months ago in anticipation of the 1900 refarm from T-Mobile. But while the default APN profile has been updated to "T-Mobile LTE" from the carrier from months ago, the max speed I see now is 3G in Chicago. I've done some research and tried a couple of the following:
1 Added new APN under epc.tmobile.com
2 Enable ENS
3 Limit the connection speed to 3G instead of 4G
But none seems to bring me to the LTE speed. I thought maybe because LTE has not arrived in Chicago yet, but few days ago I went to one of the T-Mobile store and found that their demo Lumia 925 showed LTE. The stuff from the store said because I am using an unlocked 920, LTE is not supported. I don't think this is the right answer.
Does anyone has the same issue with your international 920 under T-Mobile in the US?
t_huankiat said:
Hi guys,
I am on T-Mobile prepaid plan. I bought a Lumia 920 from Singapore few months ago in anticipation of the 1900 refarm from T-Mobile. But while the default APN profile has been updated to "T-Mobile LTE" from the carrier from months ago, the max speed I see now is 3G in Chicago. I've done some research and tried a couple of the following:
1 Added new APN under epc.tmobile.com
2 Enable ENS
3 Limit the connection speed to 3G instead of 4G
But none seems to bring me to the LTE speed. I thought maybe because LTE has not arrived in Chicago yet, but few days ago I went to one of the T-Mobile store and found that their demo Lumia 925 showed LTE. The stuff from the store said because I am using an unlocked 920, LTE is not supported. I don't think this is the right answer.
Does anyone has the same issue with your international 920 under T-Mobile in the US?
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What version you bough RM-820, 821 or 822 from Singapore. I think you have not supported LTE bands, so probably you got 821 / 822
boril said:
What version you bough RM-820, 821 or 822 from Singapore. I think you have not supported LTE bands, so probably you got 821 / 822
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Wow I just checked, it's indeed a RM 821! I did a search and found the following info from WP Central forum:
RM820 is the North American variant. Has pentaband UMTS (850/900/1700/1900/2100) and North American LTE bands.
RM821 is rest-of-world (except China). Has quadband UMTS (850/900/1900/2100) and European LTE bands.
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My understanding is as long as it supports 1900 band it can access the LTE speed on T-Mobile. That's not the case then?
t_huankiat said:
Wow I just checked, it's indeed a RM 821! I did a search and found the following info from WP Central forum:
My understanding is as long as it supports 1900 band it can access the LTE speed on T-Mobile. That's not the case then?
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Just because it supports the 1900 band, does not mean that the ROM and hardware are setup to support LTE. The market the 821 was released for does not have LTE so the protocols where never implemented in that model. The 3G you see the phone operating at is the highest speed the market it came from supports. So that is the highest protocol that was installed into that model. You may want to sell it and get one of the other models.
Incompatible Bands
t_huankiat said:
Wow I just checked, it's indeed a RM 821! I did a search and found the following info from WP Central forum:
My understanding is as long as it supports 1900 band it can access the LTE speed on T-Mobile. That's not the case then?
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Hi t_huankiat,
To the extent of my knowledge, T-Mobile has only deployed LTE on the 1700/2100MHz frequency band (different from 2100MHz, that is IMT) commonly known as AWS spectrum or Band 4. The only variants of the 920 that contains these are RM-820 models. The good news is, an unlocked AT&T Nokia Lumia 920 can be used on T-Mobile's LTE network because they both use AWS spectrum to deliver LTE service. The downside is that in areas without LTE or refarmed HSPA+, your service will drop to 2G. In order to prevent these shortfalls, the only RM-820 variants that run on AWS HSPA+ are the Canadian and Developer Edition, given out at Microsoft BUILD 2012.
You may be thinking, what is with this confusion. Previously, T-Mobile USA rolled out their 3G HSPA network on AWS spectrum, because they hadn't won any PCS spectrum (1900MHz). In the Americas, AWS spectrum was not deployed as prevalent as PCS. The result, T-Mobile required special handsets to access 3G. When they transitioned over to HSPA+ and DC-HSPA+, they continued to use AWS widening the compatibility gap. After the AT&T/T-Mobile buyout fell through, T-Mobile gained PCS licenses as part of the deal. T-Mobile, shortly after, announced the jump to LTE and the refarm of HSPA+ (current 3G/4G service) to the PCS spectrum. As of now, the refarm isn't fully complete so some areas still broadcast 3G/4G on on the AWS spectrum. To add insult to injury, these areas do not have have LTE deployed either. Summing up what has been said, the best options for a seamless wireless experience is to use a Nokia Lumia 925 or find a non-AT&T RM-820. If you look on eBay, you will find a few for sale right now. I really hope this helps!
-Arekusandaa
Solarenemy68 said:
Just because it supports the 1900 band, does not mean that the ROM and hardware are setup to support LTE. The market the 821 was released for does not have LTE so the protocols where never implemented in that model. The 3G you see the phone operating at is the highest speed the market it came from supports. So that is the highest protocol that was installed into that model. You may want to sell it and get one of the other models.
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I should have done more research before I bought the phone! I did not realize 920 has so many variation even in Singapore! While I will miss the LTE, I can live with 3G speed since I don't use the phone for streaming or anything bandwidth intensive.
Arekusandaa said:
Hi t_huankiat,
To the extent of my knowledge, T-Mobile has only deployed LTE on the 1700/2100MHz frequency band (different from 2100MHz, that is IMT) commonly known as AWS spectrum or Band 4. The only variants of the 920 that contains these are RM-820 models. The good news is, an unlocked AT&T Nokia Lumia 920 can be used on T-Mobile's LTE network because they both use AWS spectrum to deliver LTE service. The downside is that in areas without LTE or refarmed HSPA+, your service will drop to 2G. In order to prevent these shortfalls, the only RM-820 variants that run on AWS HSPA+ are the Canadian and Developer Edition, given out at Microsoft BUILD 2012.
You may be thinking, what is with this confusion. Previously, T-Mobile USA rolled out their 3G HSPA network on AWS spectrum, because they hadn't won any PCS spectrum (1900MHz). In the Americas, AWS spectrum was not deployed as prevalent as PCS. The result, T-Mobile required special handsets to access 3G. When they transitioned over to HSPA+ and DC-HSPA+, they continued to use AWS widening the compatibility gap. After the AT&T/T-Mobile buyout fell through, T-Mobile gained PCS licenses as part of the deal. T-Mobile, shortly after, announced the jump to LTE and the refarm of HSPA+ (current 3G/4G service) to the PCS spectrum. As of now, the refarm isn't fully complete so some areas still broadcast 3G/4G on on the AWS spectrum. To add insult to injury, these areas do not have have LTE deployed either. Summing up what has been said, the best options for a seamless wireless experience is to use a Nokia Lumia 925 or find a non-AT&T RM-820. If you look on eBay, you will find a few for sale right now. I really hope this helps!
-Arekusandaa
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The main reason I got the phone from Singapore was because it supports 1900MHz and it's in Chicago now. But I overlooked the fact that the ROM matters too. So now I am pretty much stuck with 3G speed. It's a lesson learned, I will have to be extra careful next time when I get an unlocked phone. Thanks for your insight!
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t_huankiat said:
The main reason I got the phone from Singapore was because it supports 1900MHz and it's in Chicago now. But I overlooked the fact that the ROM matters too. So now I am pretty much stuck with 3G speed. It's a lesson learned, I will have to be extra careful next time when I get an unlocked phone. Thanks for your insight!
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Don't worry, you will still be able to use their DC-HSPA+ network, where available. This technology is capable of up to 42.1Mbps theoretically. Even before T-Mobile began deploying LTE, their DC-HSPA+ network was usually testing faster than Verizon's LTE network. While you may not see LTE until you upgrade to an AWS capable handset, their "fallback" 4G should suffice.
-arekusandaa