Hey All,
Is it possible to disable the lock ring when security is set to 'none'. I hate having to do that.
Oh and I'm running the current OTA ICS; unlocked, rooted.
Thanks!
John
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jrredho said:
Hey All,
Is it possible to disable the lock ring when security is set to 'none'. I hate having to do that.
Oh and I'm running the current OTA ICS; unlocked, rooted.
Thanks!
John
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Here is a little app that will give you what you are looking for. you will have to only unlock on a first boot.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.jraf.android.nolock&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5qcmFmLmFuZHJvaWQubm9sb2NrIl0.
Hey There,
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly!
I used to use that widget prior to the ics update. I quit because it doesn't work any longer for what it was truly intended to do, at least for PIN screen locks. But, by golly, it definitely does work for what I asked in my OP here.
Cheers,
John
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jrredho said:
Hey There,
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly!
I used to use that widget prior to the ics update. I quit because it doesn't work any longer for what it was truly intended to do, at least for PIN screen locks. But, by golly, it definitely does work for what I asked in my OP here.
Cheers,
John
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are you on sense or aosp?
Sense he's talking about the ring u pull up on lockscreen
synisterwolf said:
are you on sense or aosp?
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squidder said:
Sense he's talking about the ring u pull up on lockscreen
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just noticed that it said OTA. whoops.
jrredho said:
Hey All,
Is it possible to disable the lock ring when security is set to 'none'. I hate having to do that.
Oh and I'm running the current OTA ICS; unlocked, rooted.
Thanks!
John
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You can delete/rename the sense lock screen and get the asop lock screen. I dont know if that helps you get what your looking for or not
Hey All,
This is a follow up to a topic I started a long time ago, but I've hit the wall with the whole Sense lockscreen strategy, and I've returned to ask if there was a pathway to any relief.
Anyway, Jimi Mack pointed out this app to me back then:
Jimi Mack said:
Here is a little app that will give you what you are looking for. you will have to only unlock on a first boot.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.jraf.android.nolock&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsIm9yZy5qcmFmLmFuZHJvaWQubm9sb2NrIl0.
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But there is actually still a problem with it: When I have security set to pattern, and the screen set to no-lock via the app, while pressing the on/off button to activate my screen takes me directly to my home screen, I still have to do the entire "pull-ring-then-enter-pattern" when I pull something off of the notification bar pull-down menu. That sucks! Bigtime!
So I'm here to ask, no beg really, can anybody point me in some direction where "no lock" means no lock globally?
Hey, I'd even take the compromise of just having to put the pattern in from the notification bar menu. Having to do the pull ring from the notification menu makes me extraordinarily unhappy...
Oh, and since I didn't mention it earlier, I'm running the latest stock OTA ICS ROM; unlocked, rooted, Amon Ra 3.16 recovery.
Thanks!
cheers,
john
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There is an extremely annoying sound/notification that plays sometimes when I unlock the lock screen. I've looked in the settings and can not seem to find anything to turn this off. Anyone point me in the right direction here?
Menu - Settings - Sound - Screen Lock Sounds
Under the Feedback section
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mmcjam07 said:
Menu - Settings - Sound - Screen Lock Sounds
Under the Feedback section
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Thanks for the reply but I've already checked that and it's unchecked in there. I've tried checking it then unchecking but no matter what the dam sound remains.
Mine hasn't ever made a sound unlocking it
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Weird.. And when you restart your phone its still there? Could be a problem with the Sense app that can be fixed by restarting it
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sand1303 said:
Mine hasn't ever made a sound unlocking it
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I think you have to manually set it to do that
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Weird.. And when you restart your phone its still there? Could be a problem with the Sense app that can be fixed by restarting it
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Yep, I've tried turning it on and restarting the phone. Then turning it back off and restarting. Also did those steps and pulled the battery. Got frustrated and just reset the phone and still no change. It's weird too because if I simply flick to unlock the screen it doesn't play the sound as often. If I take my time and slide the unlock screen and slowly release the touch then it almost always makes the sound.
Guess I can just live with it till I can through another ROM on it. Probably just an isolated issue within my Sense.
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Yep, I've tried turning it on and restarting the phone. Then turning it back off and restarting. Also did those steps and pulled the battery. Got frustrated and just reset the phone and still no change. It's weird too because if I simply flick to unlock the screen it doesn't play the sound as often. If I take my time and slide the unlock screen and slowly release the touch then it almost always makes the sound.
Guess I can just live with it till I can through another ROM on it. Probably just an isolated issue within my Sense.
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Maybe. Wish I could help :/
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Maybe. Wish I could help :/
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Thanks for the try
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Sorry to bump this up but it's seriously annoying and I'd rather not take the phone in for exchange.
Has anyone else had this issue or anything even remotely like it? Any other suggestions, etc? I appreciate any help offerings in advance.
The only help I can offer is disabling the Lockscreen all together. At least until we get full root and you can just flash a ROM or figure out what the problem is. Screen Mode Widget (free in the market) will do that
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Has anyone figured this out? It's extremely annoying. It happens every time I unlock the phone.
The lock screen sound setting someone else mentioned in this thread is an additional little beep that gets added on if you have the sound option checked. This noise is completely different and plays regardless of whether or not you have the option checked, or whether or not you have a lockscreen pattern.
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over six months since your OP and you still haven't fixed this?
have you rooted? tried different ROMs? If your going to bump this topic at least update everyone on what you've tried.
Have you tried to delete the lock sound sound from system/media?
Anyone able to get rid of the regular lockscreen and get only the pattern unlock?
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Anyone?
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If you are looking for a solution without rooting + flashing a rom, you can use WidgetLocker, but personal experiences tell me that it's best to stick with the stock one.
Peetahzee said:
If you are looking for a solution without rooting + flashing a rom, you can use WidgetLocker, but personal experiences tell me that it's best to stick with the stock one.
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I'm rooted but no custom rom as of yet
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There is nothing currently unless running a custom rom. The pattern lock is tied to the lock screen unfortunately. Widgetlocker does work but I was getting the stock one pop up all too often while using it. I probably should of contacted the developer but never did.
I am in the same boat as you. Use the pattern lock but don't want the lockscreen. What I'm doing currently is just dealing with the stock lockscreen but using WiFi unlock so when I am at work/home both are disabled (no need for me to have pattern lock active unless I am out and about.) Just a suggestion.
CCallahan said:
There is nothing currently unless running a custom rom. The pattern lock is tied to the lock screen unfortunately. Widgetlocker does work but I was getting the stock one pop up all too often while using it. I probably should of contacted the developer but never did.
I am in the same boat as you. Use the pattern lock but don't want the lockscreen. What I'm doing currently is just dealing with the stock lockscreen but using WiFi unlock so when I am at work/home both are disabled (no need for me to have pattern lock active unless I am out and about.) Just a suggestion.
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Download no lock from the market tthen run it and then enable widgetlocker should be fine
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darktranquility18 said:
Anyone able to get rid of the regular lockscreen and get only the pattern unlock?
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You do know that the pattern lockscreen comes with the stock rom!
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sapperpipo said:
You do know that the pattern lockscreen comes with the stock rom!
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Oh no I didnt know that :| lol what I meant was when i apply the pattern lock, I have two locksceens when I try and unlock my phone. The pattern and standard
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It was really annoying me so I did some searching and I found this thread.
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2016254
Basically if you use titanium back up, you can just freeze or delete "com.htc.htcpowermanager" and it'll disappear.
I just thought I'd share with you guys, credit goes to to the guy who found this in the link above, I'm just passing it on.
EDIT: Freezing or deleting it will both cause your battery menu in settings to disappear. This isn't really an issue to me as there isn't really anything in there that you can do, besides see whats' eating your battery. IMO this is negligible especially when new roms will be rolling out soon, hopefully with a work around.
Wouldn't delete it just in u may need it later. Freezing is the best option for all annoying system apps. Thanks for sharing the link tho.
Anthonicia said:
Wouldn't delete it just in u may need it later. Freezing is the best option for all annoying system apps. Thanks for sharing the link tho.
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Read the edit I just made to the OP.
In JB you can long-tap on a notification and click on App Info. I did a Force Stop there, notification went away. Hopefully there are no other side effects. If there are any, I will report them.
LOL 5 minutes later, and it's back. And you cannot uncheck "Show Notifications"
I used this to get rid of mine. Think its a good alternative.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1601543&page=369
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Why not just turn it off? Then it doesn't show up in status bar
i'm sure there's a way to hide the icon in smali...someone will find it
rpenrod23 said:
Why not just turn it off? Then it doesn't show up in status bar
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I have had mine turned off since I loaded the Rom and its still there. If we could just unlock the show notification option maybe that would turn off the one minor annoyance.
Is there documentation on what the power saver function specifically does?
thefsfempire said:
I have had mine turned off since I loaded the Rom and its still there. If we could just unlock the show notification option maybe that would turn off the one minor annoyance.
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I did to and noticed that it's still in pull-down menu, my bad. I agree, it's annoying
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I like it. Others need to Suck it up. People complain about battery HTC offers a little gadet then people cry. Go back to ics.
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Androidfreakz said:
I like it. Others need to Suck it up. People complain about battery HTC offers a little gadet then people cry. Go back to ics.
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Next minor update. They'll let us disable it
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Can't you just edit default.xml in system/customize/resource/MNS/ ? Of course on a clean boot, but that'sbetter then losing functions to me.
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Rydah805 said:
Can't you just edit default.xml in system/customize/resource/MNS/ ? Of course on a clean boot, but that'sbetter then losing functions to me.
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add these lines to SettingsProvider in system/customize/CID/default.xml
<item name="def_hide_ui_user_powersaver">1</item>
<item name="def_hide_ui_powersaver_connectivity">1</item>
credit to nitsuj17....you will lose the function though...I haven't tried enabling in terminal with this...maybe it would work
maxpower47 said:
Is there documentation on what the power saver function specifically does?
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Same here. I'm mostly against it because I don't know why I'd ever need it. It might actually be useful but if it does x y and z and I only want x and y I'd like to know what I'm getting into.
I can't believe no one noticed it yet but if you go to the app info there is a check box for notifications, just uncheck it and it goes away
wolfclan68 said:
I can't believe no one noticed it yet but if you go to the app info there is a check box for notifications, just uncheck it and it goes away
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I see the check box but mine is grayed out and I can't toggle it. Any idea on how to un gray it?
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tgrgrd00 said:
I see the check box but mine is grayed out and I can't toggle it. Any idea on how to un gray it?
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Let me know if u figure it out as well. Can't figure it out and I'm usually good at that.
Anthonicia said:
Let me know if u figure it out as well. Can't figure it out and I'm usually good at that.
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Mine won't toggle neither. I have tried with power save mode enabled and disabled as well as from safe mode.
That's the first place I went and mine is grayed out also.
I'm coming from a Rezound running ViperRez and I used the heck out of this feature so I'd like to see it here if possible.
Thank you!
drivie said:
I'm coming from a Rezound running ViperRez and I used the heck out of this feature so I'd like to see it here if possible.
Thank you!
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I started using an app called flashlight LED genius and there is an option that allows you to shake the phone while at the lock screen to enable the flashlight. Then to turn off you simply shake again, you can set sensitivity settings and duration in case it gets turned on accidentally. I have had no issues with it accidentally turning on as of yet. Works surprisingly well.
Wow thanks for that app. useful
onemandeep said:
Wow thanks for that app. useful
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That is a great app, thanks.
I still wish someone would built it into a rom or flashable add-on that would all you to long press or double-tap the home button from the lock screen to activate the camera.
Check out my tutorial on the Tmo section. Will work for you too. Use the volume up to turn on flashlight.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42417183
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Doesn't work for me on Cleanrom 1.2 possibly because I'm using xposed framework.
dannyben said:
Check out my tutorial on the Tmo section. Will work for you too. Use the volume up to turn on flashlight.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42417183
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WingHater said:
Doesn't work for me on Cleanrom 1.2 possibly because I'm using xposed framework.
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You mean Nottach's mod? That most probably takes this function over. Now that's the trick is discovered, perhaps you can request he adds it to an update.
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dannyben said:
Check out my tutorial on the Tmo section. Will work for you too. Use the volume up to turn on flashlight.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42417183
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I actually own Nova Prime so I was excited to try this but alas it doesn't work. I'm on stock, rooted TW ROM with Nova Prime of course. No other mods, frameworks or kernels installed. Not sure why it doesn't want to work for me. Anyone else get it going?
No dice here either. Stock rooted deodexed.
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drivie said:
I actually own Nova Prime so I was excited to try this but alas it doesn't work. I'm on stock, rooted TW ROM with Nova Prime of course. No other mods, frameworks or kernels installed. Not sure why it doesn't want to work for me. Anyone else get it going?
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crookedview said:
No dice here either. Stock rooted deodexed.
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Weird. Well if you guys are using Nottach's Xposed mod, he will build it in with his next update v10, and can map it to your home button.
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viceversa said:
I started using an app called flashlight LED genius and there is an option that allows you to shake the phone while at the lock screen to enable the flashlight. Then to turn off you simply shake again, you can set sensitivity settings and duration in case it gets turned on accidentally. I have had no issues with it accidentally turning on as of yet. Works surprisingly well.
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Shake on lockscreen option works fine for a while, then stops. Problem is noted in the app description in the Play Store but no ETA on a fix is mentioned. Too bad, when it works it's nice.
Anyone know of another flashlight app that can be reliably activated from the lock screen?
madAdam6LOVE said:
Shake on lockscreen option works fine for a while, then stops. Problem is noted in the app description in the Play Store but no ETA on a fix is mentioned. Too bad, when it works it's nice.
Anyone know of another flashlight app that can be reliably activated from the lock screen?
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It has only happened to me once, no biggie for me at least as it has worked 99% of the time.
viceversa said:
It has only happened to me once, no biggie for me at least as it has worked 99% of the time.
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Just found that Tiny Flashlight has shake capability on the lock screen. I'm testing and will report back on reliability.
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madAdam6LOVE said:
Shake on lockscreen option works fine for a while, then stops. Problem is noted in the app description in the Play Store but no ETA on a fix is mentioned. Too bad, when it works it's nice.
Anyone know of another flashlight app that can be reliably activated from the lock screen?
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I use the DashClock lockscreen widget with the DashLight extension, seems to work pretty good for me
Using an app called Torchie, just press both 'volume buttons' together to turn on/off torch anytime. It runs as a background service and just works anytime, even when screen off (if enabled from Torchie Settings). It kinda make your phone feel like a conventional battery operated torch. No root required.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=in.blogspot.anselmbros.torchie
XDA Thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-torchie-torch-volume-buttons-anytime-t3270230
Anyone wanna give this a shot, i dont have a recovery so im scared this could bork my device..
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...samsung-devices-running-android-4-2-or-later/
Google play store.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ma.wanam.xposed
What's the difference between this and the v12 nottach xposed mod?
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HORiZUN said:
What's the difference between this and the v12 nottach xposed mod?
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From digging into it nottach quit the development and wanam took the project and continued it and updated it.
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/me deletes v12 nottach. Installs wanam
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Yeah, this has a few more tweaks than nottach so far, and some that didn't work before (Quick Setting tile number wouldn't work on my MF3 I337) are working now. Anyone is safe to install and tweak away as long as you're on stock/tw.
EDIT: nottach xposed does have a few more than this at the moment, I was wrong. Specifcally the full battery and headset notification I've noticed so far.
I'm not sure if this is related but after installing this i noticed my mobile connection would randomly switch to h+ in settings. I rebooted and got the padlock. Booted fine still and noticed an extra battery icon. I only enabled the module and looked at the options without checking or changing anything.
Uninstalled and rebooted. No padlock, no extra icon. Goldeneye MH1 with only scrolling cache and call record add ons.
So I really want to try this out but I have a quick question. As of right now im on MF3 and I am planning on rooting my phone. The only think I would like to be able to do is to have lockscreen widgets on my device while having security enabled such as a pattern lock or password. Will this give me the option to do just that?
blackguy101 said:
So I really want to try this out but I have a quick question. As of right now im on MF3 and I am planning on rooting my phone. The only think I would like to be able to do is to have lockscreen widgets on my device while having security enabled such as a pattern lock or password. Will this give me the option to do just that?
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nothing will at this time that i know of.
Andrew149 said:
nothing will at this time that i know of.
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aww damn ok. This is probably the only feature I want out of my phone to be honest lol
Airtioteclint said:
I'm not sure if this is related but after installing this i noticed my mobile connection would randomly switch to h+ in settings. I rebooted and got the padlock. Booted fine still and noticed an extra battery icon. I only enabled the module and looked at the options without checking or changing anything.
Uninstalled and rebooted. No padlock, no extra icon. Goldeneye MH1 with only scrolling cache and call record add ons.
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Not sure why you getting this but no issues here working 100% on MF3 Stock my second SG4.
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blackguy101 said:
So I really want to try this out but I have a quick question. As of right now im on MF3 and I am planning on rooting my phone. The only think I would like to be able to do is to have lockscreen widgets on my device while having security enabled such as a pattern lock or password. Will this give me the option to do just that?
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Venom0642 said:
Not sure why you getting this but no issues here working 100% on MF3 Stock my second SG4.
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Hey are you positive no issues im on stock mf3, but i have no recovery at all! so i dont wanna try this app and than get a soft brick.
Andrew149 said:
Hey are you positive no issues im on stock mf3, but i have no recovery at all! so i dont wanna try this app and than get a soft brick.
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I am positive I have no issues at all my friend.
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Venom0642 said:
I am positive I have no issues at all my friend.
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thanks ill give it a shot.
Airtioteclint said:
I'm not sure if this is related but after installing this i noticed my mobile connection would randomly switch to h+ in settings. I rebooted and got the padlock. Booted fine still and noticed an extra battery icon. I only enabled the module and looked at the options without checking or changing anything.
Uninstalled and rebooted. No padlock, no extra icon. Goldeneye MH1 with only scrolling cache and call record add ons.
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The extra icon does sound like something that a tweak/app like this can be responsible for.
Whether it's a one-time glitch or a bug that will recur, who knows.
blackguy101 said:
So I really want to try this out but I have a quick question. As of right now im on MF3 and I am planning on rooting my phone. The only think I would like to be able to do is to have lockscreen widgets on my device while having security enabled such as a pattern lock or password. Will this give me the option to do just that?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2363189
this showed up in the xda news if you're still looking for something, i'd give it a shot
Can you run more than one module that offer similar functionality? Such as wannam and nottach, without causing problems? Which modules takes precedence?
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blackguy101 said:
So I really want to try this out but I have a quick question. As of right now im on MF3 and I am planning on rooting my phone. The only think I would like to be able to do is to have lockscreen widgets on my device while having security enabled such as a pattern lock or password. Will this give me the option to do just that?
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3minit can do secure lockscreen widgets.
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I tried doing that specifically and did have some issues. Either enable the same tweaks in both or don't run both.
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3minit isn't much of an option since you have to flash the framework and we can't through recovery (I think there is an app to flash without recovery, but it's risky business.)
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I know it's not supposed to work. I wasn't expecting it to work. But I tried it anyways.
Slim Bean AOSP 4.3 ROM + Xposed + Wanam all seemed to install fine.
But a reboot or two later, before even selecting any option changes, ended up getting to where it refused to boot into the OS. Even after a factory reset.
Don't jump me, I know it wasn't *supposed* to work.
Guess I just confirmed that for the rest of the 4.3 AOSP guys?