Invisible Shield HD - AT&T LG Optimus G

Go down to your local best buy, you can purchase the invisible shield for the LGOG (Optimus G)

wolftrakx said:
Go down to your local best buy, you can purchase the invisible shield for the LGOG (Optimus G)
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Yeh i got one of those for my LG Opt G because they are awesome, still have one on my iTouch after 5 years and counting

Ilkinansr92 said:
Yeh i got one of those for my LG Opt G because they are awesome, still have one on my iTouch after 5 years and counting
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This must be new, because as of Monday, my local Best Buys (2 of them) didn't have a single accessory for the LGOG.

dbgeek said:
This must be new, because as of Monday, my local Best Buys (2 of them) didn't have a single accessory for the LGOG.
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at my local best buy has them...i bought mine yesterday....its really nice....i like it...

Not a single one in my town. I did spend a lot of time showing my phone off because I'm the only one in town who has it. Anyone care to comment on the fitment of it?; this anti-glare Moshi wont even stay in place but it was free.
*edit* Found one. Nice fitment.

Put it on yesterday within about 2 hours of buying mine. (Took that long to track one down at Best Buy). Wend on easy and feels smoother than a regular Zagg. I'm quite happy with it! :good:

At best buy the front only is 25 bucks on Zaggs site the complete body one is 25 bucks. Just fair warning to all of you!
Though you can get best buy top price match the front for 15
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Yes that newer shield is great but mine seems to have slight squiggles on the screen now and they may be permanent.... only had it about 5 days
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whoamanwtf said:
At best buy the front only is 25 bucks on Zaggs site the complete body one is 25 bucks. Just fair warning to all of you!
Though you can get best buy top price match the front for 15
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Actually, the one on Zaggs site is not the HD. Zagg doesnt even list the HD version as of yet. The HD are always more than the original because of higher quality. Actually, im sure that might be objective, but to me it is. They just seem more clear, and they feel of them seems closer to the actual screen than most screen protectors. I actually Zagg today because i wanted to register mine for warranty purposes and its not an option on their site. The rep even verified for me that their site does not list this version, and that it will probably be another week before it does.
Now, having said all that, has anyone else experienced any issues with theirs scratching? I have the Zagg HD on my One X, Galaxy S3, and on the OG. Ive had them on my other phones since they day the phone was purchased and they still look wonderful. The one on my OG was placed on it the day i got it, the 3rd, and i actually peeled it off today because it is so scratched up it looks terrible. Im just wondering if maybe there is a manufacturing flaw in them or something.

cloudraker said:
Actually, the one on Zaggs site is not the HD. Zagg doesnt even list the HD version as of yet. The HD are always more than the original because of higher quality. Actually, im sure that might be objective, but to me it is. They just seem more clear, and they feel of them seems closer to the actual screen than most screen protectors. I actually Zagg today because i wanted to register mine for warranty purposes and its not an option on their site. The rep even verified for me that their site does not list this version, and that it will probably be another week before it does.
Now, having said all that, has anyone else experienced any issues with theirs scratching? I have the Zagg HD on my One X, Galaxy S3, and on the OG. Ive had them on my other phones since they day the phone was purchased and they still look wonderful. The one on my OG was placed on it the day i got it, the 3rd, and i actually peeled it off today because it is so scratched up it looks terrible. Im just wondering if maybe there is a manufacturing flaw in them or something.
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yeh mine got a few scratches too

I haven't had any scratches on mine yet, but I heard someone complain about that on another board. I'm keeping an eye out to see if it happens to mine.

whoamanwtf said:
At best buy the front only is 25 bucks on Zaggs site the complete body one is 25 bucks. Just fair warning to all of you!
Though you can get best buy top price match the front for 15
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I went to best buy today and they had a bundle special. I got the Zagg screen & the Rocketfish case for $35.
The reason for the price difference is because the one at bestbuy is the HD screen, which will better compliment that beautiful display.

BTW, Zagg is having 50% off sale for CyberMonday, still going today.

xbutchx said:
I went to best buy today and they had a bundle special. I got the Zagg screen & the Rocketfish case for $35.
The reason for the price difference is because the one at bestbuy is the HD screen, which will better compliment that beautiful display.
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Did the case fit?

xbutchx said:
I went to best buy today and they had a bundle special. I got the Zagg screen & the Rocketfish case for $35.
The reason for the price difference is because the one at bestbuy is the HD screen, which will better compliment that beautiful display.
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The Rocketfish case I tried at BB would not fit the ATT version.
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Ghost Armor makes clear protectors for both the front and the back that are just awesome.

12 bucks for maximum coverage (back, front, and sides) on Zagg using InvisibleShield with lifetime warranty is basically a "because why not?" deal. I recall paying 20 bucks some years ago just to have the front of my Inspire covered.

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Did the case fit?
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No it did not. I bought it without having my phone yet and when I tried to put it together it was absolutely to small.
Returning tomorrow....on the bright side...with the zagg.com 50% off sale right now, I am ordering the full body for $12.49

Is the zagg LG optimus g for the at&t version without a doubt? They have sprint version listed and then just lg optimus g...thanks
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I was trying to determine if the LGOG kit they have listed on the website will fit the E970 so i tried calling Zagg several times on Monday but they never picked up the phone. I sent them an email late in the afternoon and have not yet heard back from them.
kinda frustrating that they had the 50% off sale but not reply to my inquiry. If I hear back from them I'll update this thread.
edit: was informed that the LG OG (the one NOT listed as Sprint specific) would fit the AT&T device. So i ordered a full body kit.
http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/lg-optimus-g-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php

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Cheap OtterBox Knock-Offish Cases?

Has anybody tried these out yet? Just saw them on eBay today.
OtterBox Knock Offs
Their feedback is pretty good, but they haven't been selling these particular cases for very long. So, I'm guessing nobody that bought one has reviewed it yet.
Whatcha think?
Been thinking about one of these as a backup. @ 20 bucks might just go for it.
I like the Defender so much because of the camera protection. This knock-off leaves the camera area exposed, offering them no protection...Guess it all depends on your wants/needs, but this case also just has a cheap look to me..specifically the button/hole covers
washjayb said:
Been thinking about one of these as a backup. @ 20 bucks might just go for it.
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You can get a defender case for only 12 dollars more on amazon.
Just received mine today. I think I paid 36 all together with shipping.
As long as it not otterbox, then yes.
Otterbox wants you to setup a crime scene before you can return a defective unit.
They don't have any integrity about standing by their product.
kthejoker20 said:
As long as it not otterbox, then yes.
Otterbox wants you to setup a crime scene before you can return a defective unit.
They don't have any integrity about standing by their product.
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Quite the opposite actually. 95% of people who call in don't have to do anything to get replacement, myself included. I called them, explained the issue, he asked for my email address and mailing address then told me i would receive it in about a week, didn't have to do ANY thing. Plus get to keep the old one for a backup, nice!! Bet customer service anywhere!!
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kthejoker20 said:
As long as it not otterbox, then yes.
Otterbox wants you to setup a crime scene before you can return a defective unit.
They don't have any integrity about standing by their product.
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I pretty much guarantee you will get better customer support from otterbox than you will this knock off company.
I got an otterbox defender for my OG evo as soon as they became available. 3x I had to have it replaced (for minor issues) and 3x they sent me replacements with little to no trouble. I had to take a picture of the damage the first time.
Btw the replacements were for 1 the kickstand snapped in half and the other 2 were related to the holster cracking. (I was very hard on the holster, always bumping it into walls/doors lol)
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Kornsaq said:
You can get a defender case for only 12 dollars more on amazon.
Just received mine today. I think I paid 36 all together with shipping.
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I went ahead and got one full price 49.99 right after i bought my Evo. Could have waited---- but whatever.
I think this would be a good cheap alternative mainly due to the exposed buttons. The defender works as advertised but i might want a lower profile, easier access, less tapedeck looking case.
Ive had one problem with the defender. watch were you sit. The belt clip has a weak point and it will break if you hit it in the right spot.
Edit: On second thought- there is no way to make the Evo 3d not look like a a Walkman
I woul probably like the knokoff more if all buttons/ ports were exposed.
MMMM, Nom Nom Nom
I ordered the Defender. Got a discount from Retailmenot.com and really like it. Ditched the crappy built in screen protector and grabbed a zagg also got the discount for that at retailmenot.com.
I am suppose to be getting my otterbox in the mail tomorrow from fedex. I love the camera protection it offers. And the best thing is I got it for free, haha through best buy accommodations.
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Ordered a Yoobao TPU + PC case from eBay

I ordered a black one and it has a smoked colored backing. Should be here in a few weeks as its coming from Hong Kong.
I'll post some pics when it arrives.
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I'm here in Canada so the shipping would be too costly. Besides i picked up a barely there case today and will use this one as a backup.
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just ordered a white one!
ditto.......
same here
i bought the white one from ebay since its 12$ shipped or it is 23$ shipped from USA nuts
BLOWNCO said:
just ordered a white one!
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Did you receive it? Is it worth or looks cheap?
I'm thinking of ordering one from ebay.
jay1078 said:
Did you receive it? Is it worth or looks cheap?
I'm thinking of ordering one from ebay.
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i have not yet received it when i do ill post some pics and a small review in this thread.
well got my case today and i must say it fits really nice and finish is well too here's some pics
Thanks for the pics. I think ill get one of.those yooboas.
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just grab one in bestbuy instead of ebay
I have one and it's excellent. Well mine is branded by Momax, but it's exactly the same. It's back is solid and it's side cling on tight to the phone, inlike the SGP version. It's not that thin though, but not too thick. For a balance of thinness and protection, it's a great combination.
leicashot said:
I have one and it's excellent. Well mine is branded by Momax, but it's exactly the same. It's back is solid and it's side cling on tight to the phone, inlike the SGP version. It's not that thin though, but not too thick. For a balance of thinness and protection, it's a great combination.
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Mind giving us a link please?
SPtheALIEN said:
Unfortunately, you're hocking those products so much with reckless abandon that it's already leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Sucks, too, because some of those products I would be interested in but due to the unslaught of Kevikev linking, I wouldn't even consider it.
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I actually msg him and he said his not the owner of the site. I wanted a discount since I was buying a few things but he said there's nothing he can do since it's not his company, so I went and buy my accessories at amazon.
Got mine from Kevikev.com
Ordered Sunday and not it today at work! Quick shipping. Came with a screen protector for the international version.
ukic said:
I actually msg him and he said his not the owner of the site. I wanted a discount since I was buying a few things but he said there's nothing he can do since it's not his company, so I went and buy my accessories at amazon.
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Wow. Then I guess he needs to go shopping at more places. Just sayin'.
Bought one from Keivkev from their ebay store since it was about a buck cheaper with the free shipping. Arrived in 2 days. Interesting how its fine to mention Amazon and best buy in this thread but not a smaller seller. I guess if Jeff Bezos came in here and posted a link to a product on amazon he'd be rediculed as well....
Anyway. Good case. Fits snug. Pressing the buttons isn't as easy as doing it without a case but I guess that's to be expected. Actually maybe it'll be a benefit since I accidentally hit the volume buttons when I'm typing or doing something in lansldscape.
The included screen protector was a suprise as I didn't read the full description. Its made for the international version so it has an opening for its button. I may use it until I get one made specifically for the US model. Overall, worth the 14 bux or so.
Just ordered this case on eBay from kevikev a couple days ago! Can't wait..
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I ordered one I didn't like it the volume buttons are too hard to press I found a cheaper better alternative.
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Love this case...
gordata said:
Got mine from Kevikev.com
Ordered Sunday and not it today at work! Quick shipping. Came with a screen protector for the international version.
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I really love this case!
gordata said:
Got mine from Kevikev.com
Ordered Sunday and not it today at work! Quick shipping. Came with a screen protector for the international version.
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Does the case include the faceplate protector also? Thanks in advance.

Looking for cheap ATT Note screen protector

I ordered the Note last night, so should be here by Friday. I already ordered a TPU.
Usually I get like those 3x screen protectors from ebay for like $1.99 or something like that, they actually work fine for me, just I can't find any for the ATT version, only the INTL. The ATT one is the stupid Hong Kong which take like 2 weeks to get here...
Does anyone know where else I can get those 3x type cheap screen protectors for less than $5 online sold in US so I can put it on my phone immediately?
Try looking at amazon. I don't buy cheap screen and I bought a zagg invisishield for $13+ on ebay. Works fine and has lifetime warranty. If it gets messed up send it for new replacement.
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NR017 said:
Try looking at amazon. I don't buy cheap screen and I bought a zagg invisishield for $13+ on ebay. Works fine and has lifetime warranty. If it gets messed up send it for new replacement.
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well I don't need Zagg cuz I've got a TPU, just the front of the screen.
orangekid said:
well I don't need Zagg cuz I've got a TPU, just the front of the screen.
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I don't have the full body zagg protection. That $13.90 is only the screen. Check if you're interested. The full body cost around $21 http://www.ebay.com/itm/220951672812?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_1665wt_1139
I ve been using ebay 's cheapest for years , their the best (lol) and I do order them from hongkong and have to wait 10-15 days , fyi I ordered 6 cuz it costs only 1$ more for 6 , I usually mess up the first one I try installing , and then Im good on the second one , but 3 is not enough a few months later when I feel liek chanign it again ,, so I get 6 now ..

XtremeGuard 70% / 83% Off Coupon + 85% off cases!

Came across this. 2 for less than $2 and free shipping... hmm
For 70% off 1+ enter code 70off1
For 83% off 3+ enter code 83off3
85% off cases
85offCases
Here
just bought 2 will report with how I like them
marccz said:
just bought 2 will report with how I like them
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imo same as zagg just w/o bells and whistles...
lioryte said:
imo same as zagg just w/o bells and whistles...
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Isn't that what they compare against in the list as invisible shield?
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Thank you. I just ordered 4 full body and 2 screen protectors to cover all my devices for only $9! LOVING IT.
telltell624 said:
Thank you. I just ordered 4 full body and 2 screen protectors to cover all my devices for only $9! LOVING IT.
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I'm in for 2 full sets. Can't believe it was $3.60 shipped!.
Currently have armorsuit on mine. Ordered two because we're planning on adding another DNA to the family in Sept. when my wife's due for an upgrade.
Not thrilled with the armorsuit. I have it on my Asus infinity and it's ok there, but on the DNA, the "self-healing" marks are not so self-healing and very visible with the screen off. I've got lots of little indentations and wrinkles that appeared after a few weeks of normal use.
The installation went perfectly, so I don't think it's that. I think it's just the nature of the material.
-Frank
lovebyte said:
I'm in for 2 full sets. Can't believe it was $3.60 shipped!.
Currently have armorsuit on mine. Ordered two because we're planning on adding another DNA to the family in Sept. when my wife's due for an upgrade.
Not thrilled with the armorsuit. I have it on my Asus infinity and it's ok there, but on the DNA, the "self-healing" marks are not so self-healing and very visible with the screen off. I've got lots of little indentations and wrinkles that appeared after a few weeks of normal use.
The installation went perfectly, so I don't think it's that. I think it's just the nature of the material.
-Frank
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Exact same thing I've experienced. Ordering a ton of these for my fiance's DNA and mine. Loved ArmorSuit but the indentions are annoying. It works wonderfully on my Nexus 7 but my Nexus 7 is in a dodocase and is only used for reading/video streaming/web browsing. So it doesnt take nearly the abuse the DNA does.
Thank you so much for this! I missed out on this sale last time.
Edit: Ordered 4 full sets and 4 screen protectors. $10.80 for all. Not a bad deal IMO. In case you're wondering why so many my logic is this. We each get 2 full sets and 2 screen protectors. The back protectors should last indefinitely but in case one comes off then I've got a second set I can throw on there. Then if any of the screen protectors get scratched or start to come up we've got plenty of spares to throw on there. Which is perfect because that kind of stuff aggravates me after a little while and we fully plan on keeping our DNA's for the full 2 years.
Just ordered 2 full body protection guards from them! Will report back once I have them! Such a great price hopefully the material lasts long enough!
Just ordered 2 full body skins. Not bad for less than 4 bucks, shipped. Nice find!
Sudo make me a sandwich.
Anyone received their merchandise yet?
I installed mine last week. Looks great. It's thin and clear. Goes great with the Body Glove case I got.
Sudo make me a sandwich.
I got mine last week as well. It works great! Fingerprints are a tad more noticeable but that is a price I'm gladly willing to pay
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Here's a few pictures with the skin and the Body Glove case.
Sudo make me a sandwich.
Dawww, code is expired.
illusionz said:
Dawww, code is expired.
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try "Xtreme75" at checkout. not as good as 85 but still
lioryte said:
try "Xtreme75" at checkout. not as good as 85 but still
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Thanks buddy! Worked. $3.75 for 3, shipped. Can't beat that.
Lunaillij said:
I installed mine last week. Looks great. It's thin and clear. Goes great with the Body Glove case I got.
Sudo make me a sandwich.
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danielhall2689 said:
I got mine last week as well. It works great! Fingerprints are a tad more noticeable but that is a price I'm gladly willing to pay
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Thats a bit disheartening. All mine are still processing
Mnorton1228 said:
Thats a bit disheartening. All mine are still processing
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Mine too. I keep getting little by little every week. I ordered items for a few phones and have received some for 2 phones so far. still waiting on my DNA suit to come. Ordered 6/17, I think it was.
Just ordered mine with the Xtreme75 code! Thanks!
Mine finally came in. Ripped my old screen protector off. I wish we didn't need them. I love the smooth glide of the glass. It's so nice.
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Tech21 Case?

I'm a sucker for new tech and the video of Tech21's "non newtonian" D3O substance was like tech porn. I was wondering if anyone has any insights on Tech21? especially for the Gnote3 since that is the case I'll be buying it for once they actually start selling it. I'm not 100% sure if the GN3 model is being sold yet so I'd settle for any review of their products.
Other than the relatively high price the only other complaint I've seen of their cases was the hard buttons. The GN3 case looks like the buttons are cut out (tho it's hard to tell with their low res pics). Any other complaints? Praise?
Thanks
Agreed best case in terms of protection and size, i have one for my s4 and love it. I noticed they have it listed on their site but i cant seem to find it for purchase.
http://www.tech21.uk.com/Category/samsung_galaxy_note_3_cases
perryh1 said:
Agreed best case in terms of protection and size, i have one for my s4 and love it. I noticed they have it listed on their site but i cant seem to find it for purchase.
http://www.tech21.uk.com/Category/samsung_galaxy_note_3_cases
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Their case is fine, but their customer service is very bad. I bought one for their iPhone 5 Case, it has scratch right after I opened the box. I call their customer service to try to exchange it, they refuse to do so.
My local t-mobile store in Folsom, CA has tech21 cases for the gnote3. I would imagine other tmo stores have them too.
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I bought the impact snap at tmobile when I got the phone. Nice quality, but my caseitis had kicked in and I've already bought two more cases with a third on the way.
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Their case is fine, but their customer service is very bad. I bought one for their iPhone 5 Case, it has scratch right after I opened the box. I call their customer service to try to exchange it, they refuse to do so.
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Good to know. Poor CS might explain why I haven't received a response from them on an email I sent 3 days ago about GN3 case's avilability.
moto211 said:
My local t-mobile store in Folsom, CA has tech21 cases for the gnote3. I would imagine other tmo stores have them too.
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Awesome. I'm an ATT customer, I would have never checked a T-Mobile store.
Looks like a pretty nice case, might have keep an eye out for it! Thanks for the share.
RoloRacer on Note3 N900A
My tmobile had 2 different tech21 cases. One black and one blue
Tmobile is non exist any where I am in Nebraska. I want the clear one in my life so bad. I can't find a retailer or even find the case in two's page.
Yea T-Mobile is now big on Tech 21 cases, they have a few color choices at every store I've been in. I actually bought one on the first day with the phone and only returned it because I had ordered 3 others online for half its price in total. Still it was cool when the manager of the store demonstrated this impact case by throwing the Note 3 half way across the store to demonstrate why it costs 40 dollars.
I picked one up when I bought my Note 3 until I found a proper case. I used one like this on my Amaze, and after 2 years it was almost flawless. It definitely protects well and I'm even totally confident to leave it laying around the kids. Its like a tank. I will be replacing it with the Neo Hybrid (if it ever arrives) because I want something that will show off the sharp sides of the Note 3. If these guys made something like that they would be my number one for protection.
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Ravaloft said:
Tmobile is non exist any where I am in Nebraska. I want the clear one in my life so bad. I can't find a retailer or even find the case in two's page.
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Sprint is selling Tech21 as well.
Awesome. Thanks. I'll have to check em out after my rotation tomorrow.
Now many T-Mobile corp stores in NYC are selling several varieties of Tech21 cases.
Original smoky grey (the one I have).
Smoky blue
Clear pink
Black "book" style
My choice was pretty limited when I bought N3 two weeks ago, but it turns out this is so far the best I chose.
I am not that big on "remove twice, install twice" in Incipio.
I am not interested the one with "window".
I just want Body Glove Diamond type which I used with Note 2.
shaungregg said:
Yea T-Mobile is now big on Tech 21 cases, they have a few color choices at every store I've been in. I actually bought one on the first day with the phone and only returned it because I had ordered 3 others online for half its price in total. Still it was cool when the manager of the store demonstrated this impact case by throwing the Note 3 half way across the store to demonstrate why it costs 40 dollars.
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Hey where did you order them cheaper online? I can't find them for the Galaxy Note 3.
Thanks for the info
Tweh said:
I picked one up when I bought my Note 3 until I found a proper case. I used one like this on my Amaze, and after 2 years it was almost flawless. It definitely protects well and I'm even totally confident to leave it laying around the kids. Its like a tank. I will be replacing it with the Neo Hybrid (if it ever arrives) because I want something that will show off the sharp sides of the Note 3. If these guys made something like that they would be my number one for protection.
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Hey thanks for the pics. How are the buttons with the case on? Are they hard to press? If so, does it eventually break in?
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Hey thanks for the pics. How are the buttons with the case on? Are they hard to press? If so, does it eventually break in?
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That's the other thing I'm not too thrilled about. The buttons need some force to engage, sometimes more than one try.
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I just bought one, and I'm not too happy with the case. You can see some of the bezel on either side of the case (not a perfect fit) :thumbdown:
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tech 21 stuff is like.... a really good product, with ****e marketing and design imo haha. sad

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